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User:Badmachine

2026-04-02T14:55:31Z

Badmachine: :^)

[[File:Iranian missile in revenge for all Christs suffering.jpg|900px|center]]

{{quote|when we win, do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny|Sam Hyde}}

== See also ==

*[[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Badmachine/|List of all subpages]], mostly Wikipedia IRC logs
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-11-24]] The "RealDoll" chat that embarrassed Tom Morris
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2009-03-05]] The "windpipe" chat that embarrassed Oliver Keyes
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-05-05]] "I think I'm fairly justified to wish harm upon her."
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-01-17 through 2013-03-08]] "My gf Sonia's an admin" on Simple English Wikipedia

File:Iranian missile in revenge for all Christs suffering.jpg

2026-04-02T14:54:08Z

Badmachine:

File:Sue Gardner interview with ABC Australia r1073531 12692761.mp3

2026-01-17T15:26:16Z

Badmachine:

== Summary ==
.mp3 file linked from [https://web.archive.org/web/20130304122035/http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/02/15/3691244.htm?site=conversations ABC (Australia) broadcast Friday 15 February 2013 (ABC Radio National Conversations with Richard Fidler)]. This audio is mentioned in Ed Buckner's [https://www.logicmuseum.com/x/index.php/Editor_retention article] on editor retention

File:Sue Gardner interview with ABC Australia r1073531 12692761.mp3

2026-01-17T15:25:23Z

Badmachine: .mp3 file linked from [https://web.archive.org/web/20130304122035/http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/02/15/3691244.htm?site=conversations ABC (Australia) broadcast Friday 15 February 2013 (ABC Radio National Conversations with Richard Fidler). This audio is mentioned in Ed Buckner's [https://www.logicmuseum.com/x/index.php/Editor_retention article] on editor retention

== Summary ==
.mp3 file linked from [https://web.archive.org/web/20130304122035/http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/02/15/3691244.htm?site=conversations ABC (Australia) broadcast Friday 15 February 2013 (ABC Radio National Conversations with Richard Fidler). This audio is mentioned in Ed Buckner's [https://www.logicmuseum.com/x/index.php/Editor_retention article] on editor retention

User:Badmachine

2024-11-05T03:31:04Z

Badmachine:

[[File:What am I doing with my lives cat.jpg|800px|center]]

{{quote|when we win, do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny|Sam Hyde}}

== See also ==

*[[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Badmachine/|List of all subpages]], mostly Wikipedia IRC logs
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-11-24]] The "RealDoll" chat that embarrassed Tom Morris
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2009-03-05]] The "windpipe" chat that embarrassed Oliver Keyes
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-05-05]] "I think I'm fairly justified to wish harm upon her."
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-01-17 through 2013-03-08]] "My gf Sonia's an admin" on Simple English Wikipedia

Donald Trump on various staff appointments

2023-10-13T23:11:50Z

Badmachine: sp

TRUMP REGARDING '''JEFF SESSIONS''': 
Jeff understands that the job of the Attorney General is to serve and protect the people of the United States, and that is exactly what he will do – and do better than anybody else can.

TRUMP LATER ABOUT '''JEFF SESSIONS''': 
''Jeff Sessions was a disaster as Attorney General. Should have never been Attorney General. He’s not qualified. He’s not mentally qualified to be Attorney General.''
 

TRUMP REGARDING '''BILL BARR''': 
We hope Bill Barr is going to be as good as we think, because Bill is a good – he is a great gentleman. A great man.

TRUMP LATER ABOUT '''BILL BARR''': 
''And by the way, when Bill Barr – who is, you know, a coward – Bill Barr was a coward. Bill Barr didn’t do what he was supposed to do. I fired him, and he has great hatred.''
 

TRUMP REGARDING GENERAL '''MARK MILLEY''': 
General Milley will serve as my top military advisor. I have absolute confidence that he will fulfill his duty with same brilliance and fortitude he has shown throughout his long and very distinguished career.

TRUMP LATER ABOUT GENERAL '''MARK MILLEY''': 
''Milley frankly was incompetent. The last one I’d want to attack with as my leader would be Milley.''
 

TRUMP REGARDING GENERAL '''JOHN KELLY''': 
John Kelly will do a fantastic job. General Kelly has been a star – done an incredible job thus far. Respected by everybody. A great, great American.

TRUMP LATER ABOUT GENERAL '''JOHN KELLY''': 
''I know John Kelly – he was with me. Didn’t do a good job. Had no temperament. And ultimately he was petered out. He had – he was exhausted. This man was totally exhausted. He wasn’t even able to function.''
 

TRUMP REGARDING '''JAY POWELL''': 
I am confident that Jay has the wisdom and leadership to guide our economy through any challenges that our great economy may face.

TRUMP LATER ABOUT '''JAY POWELL''': 
''And you know I had my own situation with Powell, and I beat the hell out of him. I was not a big fan of Powell. I was – he was recommended by some people. I didn’t like him.''
 

TRUMP REGARDING GENERAL '''JAMES MATTIS''': 
We are going to appoint “Mad Dog” Mattis as our Secretary of Defense. They say he’s the closest thing to General George Patton that we have, and it’s about time. It’s about time.

TRUMP LATER ABOUT GENERAL '''JAMES MATTIS''': 
''Mattis was a highly overrated general. Didn’t do a good job. Didn’t do good on ISIS. Mattis was fired, as you know, by President Obama, and I fired him also.''
 

TRUMP REGARDING '''REX TILLERSON''': 
Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State, gonna do a great job. He’s respected all over the world, and I think he’s gonna go down as one of our great, great secretaries.

TRUMP LATER ABOUT '''REX TILLERSON''': 
''Rex Tillerson, a man who is “dumb as a rock” and totally ill prepared and ill equipped to be Secretary of State.''
 

TRUMP REGARDING '''MARK ESPER''': 
Mark Esper is a highly respected gentleman with a great career – West Point, Harvard. A tremendous talent.

TRUMP LATER ABOUT '''MARK ESPER''': 
''A lightweight. A figurehead. Weak. Totally ineffective.''
 

TRUMP REGARDING '''ELAINE CHAO''': 
Secretary Chao, you’ve been so fantastic in so many ways. Transportation – it’s just moving along. And you’ve done a fantastic job for me and for the country. And I appreciate all that you do.

TRUMP LATER ABOUT '''ELAINE CHAO''': 
''[Mitch McConnell] has a DEATH WISH. Must immediately seek help and advise from his China loving wife, Coco Chow!''
 

==See also==
*[[Directory:Donald_Trump|Donald Trump]]

User:Badmachine

2023-10-13T23:07:35Z

Badmachine: :^)

[[File:ROEVWADE grave babies throwing deuces FWCG7iNXkAEmP8S.jpg|800px|center]]

{{quote|when we win, do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny|Sam Hyde}}

== See also ==

*[[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Badmachine/|List of all subpages]], mostly Wikipedia IRC logs
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-11-24]] The "RealDoll" chat that embarrassed Tom Morris
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2009-03-05]] The "windpipe" chat that embarrassed Oliver Keyes
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-05-05]] "I think I'm fairly justified to wish harm upon her."
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-01-17 through 2013-03-08]] "My gf Sonia's an admin" on Simple English Wikipedia

User:Badmachine

2022-08-13T02:58:06Z

Badmachine: :^)

[[File:ROEVWADE grave babies throwing deuces FWCG7iNXkAEmP8S.jpg|800px|center]]

== See also ==

*[[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Badmachine/|List of all subpages]], mostly Wikipedia IRC logs
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-11-24]] The "RealDoll" chat that embarrassed Tom Morris
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2009-03-05]] The "windpipe" chat that embarrassed Oliver Keyes
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-05-05]] "I think I'm fairly justified to wish harm upon her."
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-01-17 through 2013-03-08]] "My gf Sonia's an admin" on Simple English Wikipedia

File:ROEVWADE grave babies throwing deuces FWCG7iNXkAEmP8S.jpg

2022-08-13T02:57:15Z

Badmachine: my favorite meme from the Roe v Wade meltdown. :^)

== Summary ==
my favorite meme from the Roe v Wade meltdown. :^)

User:Badmachine

2021-11-04T23:47:05Z

Badmachine: more relevant to recent events. :^)

[[File:Screenshot 2016-03-17-22-05-43.png|center]]

== See also ==

*[[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Badmachine/|List of all subpages]], mostly Wikipedia IRC logs
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-11-24]] The "RealDoll" chat that embarrassed Tom Morris
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2009-03-05]] The "windpipe" chat that embarrassed Oliver Keyes
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-05-05]] "I think I'm fairly justified to wish harm upon her."
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-01-17 through 2013-03-08]] "My gf Sonia's an admin" on Simple English Wikipedia

User:Badmachine

2017-01-02T01:35:53Z

Badmachine: for the new year. :^)

[[File:Patriotic dad bod shirtless animated.gif|thumb|center|<center>Me IRL</center>]]

== See also ==

*[[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Badmachine/|List of all subpages]], mostly Wikipedia IRC logs
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-11-24]] The "RealDoll" chat that embarrassed Tom Morris
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2009-03-05]] The "windpipe" chat that embarrassed Oliver Keyes
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-05-05]] "I think I'm fairly justified to wish harm upon her."
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-01-17 through 2013-03-08]] "My gf Sonia's an admin" on Simple English Wikipedia

File:Patriotic dad bod shirtless animated.gif

2017-01-02T01:27:04Z

Badmachine: me irl

me irl

User:Badmachine

2016-12-30T01:53:02Z

Badmachine: /* See also */ +

User:Badmachine

2016-12-24T09:04:40Z

Badmachine: fix

User:Badmachine

2016-12-24T02:27:02Z

Badmachine: 50 Maddow post

User:Badmachine

2016-12-24T02:14:58Z

Badmachine: replace

[[File:Screenshot 2016-03-17-22-05-43.png|center]]

== See also ==

*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-11-24]] The "RealDoll" chat that embarrassed Tom Morris
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2009-03-05]] The "windpipe" chat that embarrassed Oliver Keyes
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-05-05]] "I think I'm fairly justified to wish harm upon her."
*[[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-01-17 through 2013-03-08]] "My gf Sonia's an admin" on Simple English Wikipedia

File:Screenshot 2016-03-17-22-05-43.png

2016-12-24T02:01:48Z

Badmachine: frame from Maddowgif

frame from Maddowgif

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2016-12-24T01:54:29Z

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2016-12-24T01:42:10Z

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User:Badmachine/sandbox

2016-08-14T03:05:38Z

Badmachine:

shit people will care about who donate to wikipedia

;need
*tell what their haul so far is
*list their goal for a endowment so wp can run forever and keep info pollution alive

lol what will your funds go for
;outreach
*ineffective

;management / mismanagement (ms management?)

*sue gardner and the 600k[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/08/wmf_executive_pay/]
*sue gardner and sexual harassment
*'we admit weve been wasting your donations'[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/wikipedia_foundation_money_in_wrong_place/]

;hosting
*pedo material
*information pollution

;wmf engineering
{{quote|that one about not much of value}}
*foreign labor
*numerous failed projects

;staff
*sexualized workplace
*'trust and safety' dept hiring ingraffea lol
*gamaliel
:*fake resigned from wmdc to keep his sysop
:*member of wmdc despite living in tampa (opportunist/doesnt like the cold dc but wants the $50k slush fund for wiki'''con''' sandiego
:*list out the auerbach shit dispassionately and leave it to the reader
:*the host of other material im sure i can get from somewhere :^)

;what your donations ''don't'' pay for
*content creation
:*mention the reason (sec 230)
*mention what portion pays to 'keep the lights on'

;they eat their own
* https://medium.com/@kevingorman/please-don-t-donate-to-the-wikimedia-foundation-5b42908a8798#.fb4h8zea9
*the stierch thing ('black hat' fired)
*arbitrationgate
*anvil email
*gamaliel (see above/merge)
*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Privacy_violation_by_TBloemink_and_JurgenNL the moiramoira thing]

;corruption will get you everywhere
*

==external links==
* http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2013/0801/In-UK-rising-chorus-of-outrage-over-online-misogyny
* http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/wikipedia_foundation_money_in_wrong_place/

User:Badmachine/sandbox

2016-08-14T01:30:05Z

Badmachine:

shit people will care about who donate to wikipedia

;need
*tell what their haul so far is
*list their goal for a endowment so wp can run forever and keep info pollution alive

lol what will your funds go for
;outreach
*ineffective

;management / mismanagement (ms management?)

*sue gardner and the 600k[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/08/wmf_executive_pay/]
*sue gardner and sexual harassment
*'we admit weve been wasting your donations'[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/wikipedia_foundation_money_in_wrong_place/]

;hosting
*pedo material
*information pollution

;wmf engineering
{{quote|that one about not much of value}}
*foreign labor
*numerous failed projects

;staff
*sexualized workplace
*'trust and safety' dept hiring ingraffea lol
*gamaliel
:*fake resigned from wmdc to keep his sysop
:*member of wmdc despite living in tampa (opportunist/doesnt like the cold dc but wants the $50k slush fund for wiki'''con''' sandiego
:*list out the auerbach shit dispassionately and leave it to the reader
:*the host of other material im sure i can get from somewhere :^)

;what your donations ''don't'' pay for
*content creation
:*mention the reason (sec 230)
*mention what portion pays to 'keep the lights on'

;they eat their own
* https://medium.com/@kevingorman/please-don-t-donate-to-the-wikimedia-foundation-5b42908a8798#.fb4h8zea9
*the stierch thing ('black hat' fired)
*arbitrationgate
*anvil email
*gamaliel (see above/merge)

;corruption will get you everywhere
*

==external links==
* http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2013/0801/In-UK-rising-chorus-of-outrage-over-online-misogyny
* http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/wikipedia_foundation_money_in_wrong_place/

User:Badmachine/sandbox

2016-08-14T01:28:42Z

Badmachine:

shit people will care about who donate to wikipedia

;need
*tell what their haul so far is
*list their goal for a endowment so wp can run forever and keep info pollution alive

lol what will your funds go for
;outreach
*ineffective

;management / mismanagement (ms management?)

*sue gardner and the 600k[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/08/wmf_executive_pay/]
*sue gardner and sexual harassment
*'we admit weve been wasting your donations'[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/wikipedia_foundation_money_in_wrong_place/]

;hosting
*pedo material
*information pollution

;wmf engineering
{{quote|that one about not much of value}}
*foreign labor
*numerous failed projects

;staff
*sexualized workplace
*'trust and safety' dept hiring ingraffea lol
*gamaliel
:*fake resigned from wmdc to keep his sysop
:*member of wmdc despite living in tampa (opportunist/doesnt like the cold dc but wants the $50k slush fund for wiki'''con''' sandiego
:*list out the auerbach shit dispassionately and leave it to the reader
:*the host of other material im sure i can get from somewhere :^)

;what your donations ''don't'' pay for
*content creation
:*mention the reason (sec 230)
*mention what portion pays to 'keep the lights on'

;they eat their own
* https://medium.com/@kevingorman/please-don-t-donate-to-the-wikimedia-foundation-5b42908a8798#.fb4h8zea9
*the stierch thing ('black hat' fired)
*arbitrationgate
*anvil email
*gamaliel (see above/merge)

==external links==
* http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2013/0801/In-UK-rising-chorus-of-outrage-over-online-misogyny
* http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/wikipedia_foundation_money_in_wrong_place/

User:Badmachine/sandbox

2016-08-14T01:20:53Z

Badmachine:

shit people will care about who donate to wikipedia

;need
*tell what their haul so far is
*list their goal for a endowment so wp can run forever and keep info pollution alive

lol what will your funds go for
;outreach
*ineffective

;management / mismanagement (ms management?)

*sue gardner and the 600k[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/08/wmf_executive_pay/]
*sue gardner and sexual harassment
*'we admit weve been wasting your donations'[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/wikipedia_foundation_money_in_wrong_place/]

;hosting
*pedo material
*information pollution

;wmf engineering
{{quote|that one about not much of value}}
*foreign labor
*numerous failed projects

;staff
*sexualized workplace
*'trust and safety' dept hiring ingraffea lol
*gamaliel
:*fake resigned from wmdc to keep his sysop
:*member of wmdc despite living in tampa (opportunist/doesnt like the cold dc but wants the $50k slush fund for wiki'''con''' sandiego
:*list out the auerbach shit dispassionately and leave it to the reader
:*the host of other material im sure i can get from somewhere :^)

;what your donations ''don't'' pay for
*content creation
:*mention the reason (sec 230)
*mention what portion pays to 'keep the lights on'

==external links==
* http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2013/0801/In-UK-rising-chorus-of-outrage-over-online-misogyny
* http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/08/wikipedia_foundation_money_in_wrong_place/

User:Badmachine/sandbox

2016-08-14T01:13:57Z

Badmachine:

User:Badmachine/sandbox

2016-08-14T01:10:58Z

Badmachine:

shit people will care about who donate to wikipedia

lol what will your funds go for
;outreach
*ineffective

;management / mismanagement (ms management?)

*sue gardner and the 600k
*sue gardner and sexual harassment
*'we admit weve been wasting your donations'

;hosting
*pedo material
*information pollution

;wmf engineering
{{quote|that one about not much of value}}
*foreign labor
*numerous failed projects

;staff
*sexualized workplace
*'trust and safety' dept hiring ingraffea lol
*gamaliel
:*fake resigned from wmdc to keep his sysop
:*member of wmdc despite living in tampa (opportunist/doesnt like the cold dc but wants the $50k slush fund for wiki'''con''' sandiego
:*list out the auerbach shit dispassionately and leave it to the reader
:*the host of other material im sure i can get from somewhere :^)

;what your donations ''don't'' pay for
*content creation
:*mention the reason (sec 230)

User:Badmachine/sandbox

2016-08-14T01:04:55Z

Badmachine:

shit people will care about who donate to wikipedia

lol what will your funds go for
;outreach
*ineffective

;management / mismanagement (ms management?)

*sue gardner and the 600k
*sue gardner and sexual harassment

;hosting
*pedo material
*information pollution

;wmf engineering
{{quote|that one about not much of value}}
*foreign labor
*numerous failed projects

;staff
*sexualized workplace
*'trust and safety' dept hiring ingraffea lol
*gamaliel
:*fake resigned from wmdc to keep his sysop
:*member of wmdc despite living in tampa (opportunist/doesnt like the cold dc but wants the $50k slush fund for wiki'''con''' sandiego

User:Badmachine/sandbox

2016-08-14T01:01:22Z

Badmachine:

shit people will care about who donate to wikipedia

*sue gardner and the 600k
*sue gardner and sexual harassment

;hosting
*pedo material
*information pollution

;wmf engineering
{{quote|that one about not much of value}}
*foreign labor
*numerous failed projects

;staff
*sexual harassment in the workplace
*

Wikipedia Logs

2016-08-05T15:26:18Z

Badmachine: Redirected page to Directory:Wikipedialogs.com

#REDIRECT [[Directory:Wikipedialogs.com]]

Talk:Top 10 Reasons Not to Donate to Wikipedia

2016-08-05T15:24:08Z

Badmachine: /* updates */ new section

This page is to discuss improvements to the associated article. Anyone is free to discuss here, unless you have been notified previously that your participation is not welcome, and especially if your keyboard is stuck on ALL CAPS and your spelling is atrocious. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 17:45, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
: The html code is broken on this page, too many links just show up & dont link, they need to be fixed to when you click on them, they should they open! My spelling is just fine, Im using abbreviations!
:: I am aware of the code problems on the site. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 21:00, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
: U need to fix it, many people read it & get confused, such important site must look professionally!!!
:: I estimate that the cost of repairing the site would be about $500 for a developer to work on it. Are you prepared to help financially toward that cost? - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 23:36, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
: It's very shameful u cant fix that site, i told u many times that's your key site & helps inform people not to waste money on that wikipedoia shit.
::Yes, very shameful indeed. I am heaped in shame. Shame is my blanket that I sleep with at night. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 11:47, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/cash_rich_wikipedia_chugging/ wikipedia aka wikipedoia DOES NOT need your money, NEVER SPONSOR WIKIPEDIA!!!
: http://mywikibiz.com/User:Books/Wikipedoia Other reasons why not to donate / sponsor wikipedia aka wikipedoia!
: http://mywikibiz.com/User:Books/super_vandal_antandrus SUPER VANDALS BSADOWSKI1 & DAVID ANTANDRUS!!!
: http://www.topix.com/forum/business/consulting/T6DS3HNAVEHGTEN3A NOBODY CONTROLS WILD WIKIPEDOIA!!!

http://encyclopediasupreme.org/nevertrustwikipedia.png

AUTHENTIC SLIDE FROM THE UNIVERSITY NOT TO TRUST WIKIPEDOIA!!!

http://encyclopediasupreme.org/wikipedonorm.png

TYPICAL WIKIPEDOIDIOTs LIKE ANTANDRUS OR BSADOWSKI1 DOING DIRTY JOBs FOR JIMBO DONAL WALES!!!

== updates ==

this page is on the first page of Google search results for "donate to Wikipedia", so this page could prove useful in educating people about the Foundation and its issues, but it could use some updates:
*the section on Sue Gardner's salary could be updated with the relatively recent revelation that she netted about $600,000 for helping Lila Tretikov during her transition into the CEO position
*it could be mentioned that longtime Wikipedian Kevin Gorman [https://medium.com/@kevingorman/please-don-t-donate-to-the-wikimedia-foundation-5b42908a8798#.fb4h8zea9 asked] that people stop donating to the WMF.[https://twitter.com/Kevin_the_Gorma/status/724423968782872576]
*[[User:Badmachine|Badmachine]] ([[User talk:Badmachine|talk]]) 15:24, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Ada Lovelace

2016-06-28T02:26:42Z

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User talk:MyWikiBiz

2016-04-24T12:12:09Z

Badmachine: /* Special:QuickAdd */

'''Past discussions are archived here''':

*[[User talk:MyWikiBiz/Archive 1|Archive 1]] ''(Oct 2006 - Mar 2007)''
*[[User talk:MyWikiBiz/Archive 2|Archive 2]] ''(Mar 2007 - May 2007)''
*[[User talk:MyWikiBiz/Archive 3|Archive 3]] ''(June 2007 - June 2008)''
*[[User talk:MyWikiBiz/Archive 4|Archive 4]] ''(July 2008 - January 2009)''
*[[User talk:MyWikiBiz/Archive 5|Archive 5]] ''(January 2009 - December 2009)''

==Aricle not doing well in google==

this article [[Sarey Savy]] is number 15 on google i need to make it number one! Help! please?! ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 21:06, 11 February 2010 (PST))
: You just created it. It may take some time to get to #1. Also, it will help if you go to other websites (Facebook, MySpace, Wikia, etc.) and try to get an external link placed FROM there TO this article here. I will look at the [[Sarey Savy]] page and see if I can help matters with the semantic tagging in the article. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 06:00, 12 February 2010 (PST)

Thanks man this is WAY better than Wikipedia =] If i could give away awards for best wikis i would give you millions and you'd win all the time =] ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 08:42, 12 February 2010 (PST))

Oh it's decreasing it's rank on google. ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 09:08, 12 February 2010 (PST))

Why is it decreasing? ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 09:47, 12 February 2010 (PST))

:It probably senses your panic. Seriously, calm down -- these things take time. And there's no saying that this page is going to go to #1 -- there's already a page on MySpace and on Facebook. They tend to perform stronger than MyWikiBiz. Have you set up any inbound, "dofollow" links on other sites? -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 12:52, 12 February 2010 (PST)

Yes it is linked on myspace facebook etc. ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 14:03, 12 February 2010 (PST))

What can i do to improve the google ranking? ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 21:40, 12 February 2010 (PST))

:Mr. Chen, may I ask how old are you? Please [http://www.slideshare.net/bencrothers/10-tips-to-boost-your-google-ranking read this] and follow what you learn there. These are basic tips for boosting the Google ranking of a site or page you wish to optimize. Good luck! -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 06:51, 13 February 2010 (PST)

Thanks! It's number 3 on google ranking! Can't you take the Directory talk out? ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 10:37, 13 February 2010 (PST))

Okay it fell down it's not even on google!!! I just deleted my history and everything then the next thing you know Sarey Savy-Mywikibiz is GONE! ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 16:01, 14 February 2010 (PST))

The directory doesn't show up but, yet when i take the directory out it does at number 3. ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 09:39, 15 February 2010 (PST))

== Problems With SVG Images ==

Hi, Greg, there's some kind of problem with SVG images. Maybe we're a couple of MediaWiki updates behind?

* Here's my test page: http://mywikibiz.com/User:Jon_Awbrey/SVG

* Here's what it should look like: http://oeis.org/wiki/User:Jon_Awbrey/SVG

[[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 10:50, 16 February 2010 (PST)

:We will look into it and [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#SVG seek a repair]. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 13:42, 16 February 2010 (PST)

==Can you please explain to me what your site is for?==
I don't want to break any rules here. I really don't want to be banned from here. They banned me at wikipedia review and it just hurt my feelings even more. I would like to help out here, but I don't want any more bans because it makes me feel bad. I guess I have a very big problem with following or understanding site rules, so if you could please help me out with what you expect here and what this is for - before I do anything wrong and get banned I would appreciate it.[[User:Wiki Greek Basketball|Wiki Greek Basketball]] 12:45, 19 February 2010 (PST)
:[http://www.mywikibiz.com/Help:Introduction This page] should answer most of your questions. I'm happy that you're here. Not looking to ban you. In fact, three of the four top contributors to MyWikiBiz.com are blocked on Wikipedia. You basically have a lot of options here, but the first thing you need to square away is whether you are going to try to make a little bit of money here (more effort and slightly more rules to obey), or whether money is not of interest to you (easier, and fewer rules to stay on top of). -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 17:10, 19 February 2010 (PST)

== Wikia ==

Do you suppose Wikia would be profitable by now, or ever if Wikipedia did not tag Wikia links with the "nofollow" tag for however long? Do you know for how long they were not tagged with "nofollow"?

I saw that you posted this link, I think on WR:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&limit=5000&offset=20000&target=http://*.wikia.com

So there are like 22,000 Wikia links? Wow. [[User:Wikademia|Wikademia]]

:Considering that Wikia is only barely profitable at this time (and with $14 million sunk into it, and likely very little of that recuperated), I would honestly suggest that Wikia would not be profitable by now if they hadn't had the early and ongoing boost(s) from Wikipedia-based link relevance and traffic. If you add to this how often Jimmy Wales has traveled on purportedly a Wikimedia Foundation "mission", but manages to talk about Wikia even briefly to large audiences, then I am absolutely certain Wikia would be well underwater without that self-promotional boost. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 09:18, 18 March 2010 (PDT)

:: But it is probably legal to do things like that I suppose? I am not a lawyer. I have no idea. [[User:Wikademia|Wikademia]]

::: Oh, I'm sure it's legal... up until the point the IRS decides to conduct an audit of either your personal or your corporation's taxes. But, regardless; the real point is when you consider how Wales speaks so glowingly of his free (and freewill) contributions to the Wikimedia Foundation mission (with no mention of how he's appropriated that mission to almost entirely drive his personal fortunes), his character is revealed to be that of a hypocrite when he speaks with revulsion about those who would "exploit" Wikipedia for profit. You're smart enough to see through that phony baloney, right? -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 14:15, 18 March 2010 (PDT)
:::: Self deception maybe? Or maybe just the way capitalism has to work? [[User:Wikademia|Wikademia]]

== Wikademia and Wikieducator ==

I'm sure you'd be welcome to edit on both of those. [[User:Wikademia|Wikademia]]

:Have you seen the Alexa ratings of WikiEducator? They are a bit lower than MyWikiBiz. I'd reach more people working here. As for Wikademia, let me know when it reaches the top million on Alexa. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 21:50, 21 March 2010 (PDT)

== Hi MyWikiBiz ==

I would like to edit the article 'Greg James Sculpture Studio Gallery' but it appears to be locked. The article was created by Peter Z. who doesn't seem to have any problems in editing it. My menu bar displays on the article 'View Source'. Can you please help? [[User:Greg James Sculpture|Greg James Sculpture]] 21:11, 31 March 2010 (PDT)
:It is open now to your being able to edit it. However, be advised, once you make an edit, you will become the "owner" of the article (because it's in Directory space), and others (including Peter) will not have access to edit. That's how our Directory space is set up at MyWikiBiz -- it's intended to be one-editor-only. If the two of you are both equally interested in editing it, I would suggest creating a joint account between you and share the password. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 21:30, 31 March 2010 (PDT)
:: Thank you [[User:Greg James Sculpture|Greg James Sculpture]] 21:47, 31 March 2010 (PDT)

== Title Help ==
Hi MyWikiBiz! Could you please help me. I've created a new article & left a dot at the end of the title: [[Directory:Robert Dawkins-The Silver Gallery.]] Is their a way of removing the dot, because I can't figure out how to do it? Regards:) [[User:Peter Z.|Peter Z.]] 19:34, 7 April 2010 (PDT)
: I have moved it to [[Directory:Robert_Dawkins-The_Silver_Gallery|a new location]], sans period. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 04:55, 8 April 2010 (PDT)
:: Thanks. [[User:Peter Z.|Peter Z.]] 05:38, 8 April 2010 (PDT)

== Help:SMW ==

There is a note on one of my pages which says that ASK is no longer supported but to use 'SMW'. Is there any documentation on this pls? (Couldn't find any). [[User:Ockham|Ockham]] 19:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Does [http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries this] have anything to do with it? If I can figure this out I will add some help files. [[User:Ockham|Ockham]] 19:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, that is exactly the page I was going to point you to, Ockham. This was one of the most frustrating aspects of our transfer to a new server host and a complete upgrade/update to both the most current Mediawiki core software, but also the most current Semantic Mediawiki extension that used to run all of our Attributes and Relations. Now, both Attributes and Relations are lumped into a new field called "Properties". And instead of using a := for Attributes, all Properties now need a :: instruction. I'm going to be hiring a coder to try to make some of these universal, global changes to try to make things a bit more polished around here. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 02:21, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:: Hi thanks. I [http://www.mywikibiz.com/index.php?title=List_of_medieval_philosophers&oldid=116947 tested] the medieval philosophers query with the SMW syntax but still doesn't work. I think it needs a professional to set us on the right road and then we can take it from there. [[User:Ockham|Ockham]] 07:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

[edit] ah my mistake. It does work (see [http://www.mywikibiz.com/index.php?title=List_of_medieval_philosophers this version] of the page). [[User:Ockham|Ockham]] 07:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
{edit] The key is to remember that it doesn't support the '=<' sign. '<' in SMW means 'less or equal to'. Otherwise you get the bug. [[User:Ockham|Ockham]] 07:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

===How about this===

I think SMW is going to be more powerful than ASK. I have created a new version of [[List_of_Scholastic_Texts]], which as you can see now supports links to the authors, which the old version never did.

I am going to experiment with catalogues of medieval manuscripts. I have a digitised version of M.R.James catologue of manuscripts held in Gonville and Caius' library. This has details of condition, production date or century, lists of Authors and so on. There are currently projects to take catalogues like these and use professional software developers in the old-fahshioned and expensive way, to build large and difficult-to-maintain databases that only professional developers (rather than users) can understand. Using environments like this, you hardly need developers. A team of users and experts working together can quickly build a database that is far easier to use and far more transparent than any expensive database developed in the traditional IT-led way.

The problem is to get the users (i.e. medievalists or whoever) to understand how powerful this can be, and how easy to use. I will make some experiments with the James catalogue and if this works I will publish something in 'Digital Medievalist'. [[User:Ockham|Ockham]] 08:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:I agree that while this was a painful upgrade, the opportunities for even better uses of the Semantic architecture are worth it. I am very, very pleased (you don't know how much) that a "regular user" figured this out and will be setting an example for others. I'm going to be hiring the coder later today or tomorrow, and I hope that he'll do quite a lot to help "clean up" the old messes left behind by the upgrade. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 16:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks, it's no problem. I also succeeded in setting up [[List_of_medieval_manuscripts]] as mentioned above. This points to pages like [[Directory:Logic_Museum/Caius_344/540]] which are a much better way of structuring information than in the old [[Directory:Logic_Museum/Manuscripts]], which is the old Wikipedia-style of hard-coding a list of things that cannot be sorted or filtered or categorised. If I have time I will write a little 1-2-3 tutorial that will take someone used to the old ways and show them the new way. [[User:Ockham|Ockham]] 17:09, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Access to The_Wikipedia_Point_of_View ==

Hi Greg I have lost edit rights to [[Directory:The_Wikipedia_Point_of_View|The_Wikipedia_Point_of_View]]. I can edit subdirectories of it, and other directories I own, but not this. Oddly, Peter Z seems able to edit it. How strange. I was going to start a subdirectory on terrible economics articles. [[User:Ockham|Ockham]] 17:24, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

:Try again. We're working on this issue. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 17:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:: No. Still 'View source' only.[[User:Ockham|Ockham]] 18:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
==Problems with my articles==

Hi MyWikiBiz! There are problems with my articles. What do you think is going on? [http://www.mywikibiz.com/Titoism_and_Totalitarianism link] [[User:Peter Z.|Peter Z.]] 00:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

This one too. [http://www.mywikibiz.com/Criticism_of_Jimmy_Wales link] [[User:Peter Z.|Peter Z.]] 01:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

==Hello Greg==
How are you doing? Would it be ok if i posted some pages here that i made elsewhere? [[User:Raf|Raf]] 19:11, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:I also noticed your paid wiki-gnome thread, but how do you send money to people online, and is it valid for people who live outside the USA? [[User:Raf|Raf]] 19:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I think it's okay to post pages that you made elsewhere, as long as you have rights to do so, and that the pages don't violate our own [[Help:General_disclaimer|terms of service]]. Payment for wiki-gnoming can be via PayPal.com, or via a mailed commercial check drawn in US dollars on a US bank. If neither of those options work, then I'm not sure how to transact. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 19:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::So in theory, i just have to set up a pre-paid card with PayPal and then it's all good for transferring money, from any country to any country? [[User:Raf|Raf]] 20:27, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm sure certain limitations and restrictions apply, so see PayPal.com for details. However, I know that I have transacted payments internationally on PayPal, multiple times. As for this particular wiki-gnoming project, though... I believe I have another taker working on it now. For a $15 ''Om nom nom nom'' payment to the Wikimedia Foundation. Ugh. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 14:41, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::::''Om nom nom nom''? ... Well for my part give 1 dollar to the WMF with a comment like "Wikipedia keeps being [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwear_fetishism child] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urolagnia friendly] with appropriate pictures for an encyclopedia" or something like that. The other 14 dollars could go to [http://scoobysworkshop.com/support.htm this], he puts a lot of time for his non-profit hobby to give advice on how to fight obesity and sedentary lifestiles. Also, if you donate 200 $ or more to him, he will give you a t-shirt. [[User:Raf|Raf]] 19:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Regarding the possible pages i can import here, they're mostly not business related and are quite obscure topics, to which i have no relation at all. Since there are pages like [[Directory:Quasi Brands]], would they be fine here? [[User:Raf|Raf]] 21:26, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::Raf, did you read the [[Help:General_disclaimer|terms of service]]? Here, we seek to fashion this site as a safe, pleasant environment for gentle people of ages 13 and older. The management reserves the right to delete the following sorts of content at any time: pornography, adult or mature content, pedophilia or the advocacy of pedophilia, illegal gambling or wagering, gratuitous violence, hate speech, fraudulent information, and business scams. Editors who self-identify as proponents or behave in a way that strongly suggests they are proponents of any of these topics will be blocked indefinitely. These types of content are also restricted by Google AdSense, and because AdSense currently displays on many editors' content pages on MyWikiBiz, we cannot jeopardize AdSense account(s) with such prohibited content. If your obscure content doesn't seem to ruffle these terms, you should be fine. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 03:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== The Letter ==

Title: '''The Letter''' 
Artist: '''Greg Kohs''' 
Composer: '''Wayne Carson Thompson and Barsoom Tork Associates''' 
YouTube: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lIxvIUz4aY '''The Letter'''] — The Box Tops (1967) 
 
Gimme a tax break for a donation, 
My column's more fun than Sony PlayStation. 
Boring days are gone, I'm a-goin' strong, 
'Cause Jimbo just wrote me a letter. 
 
I don't care how much money he's gotta spend, 
Getting back to New York again 
Boring days are gone, my column's going strong, 
'Cause Jimbo just wrote me a letter. 
 
Well, he wrote me a letter 
Said he couldn't fly without some more dough. 
Listen friends, can't you see he's got to get back 
To New York once more --anyway... 
 
Gimme a tax break for a donation, 
My column's more fun than Sony PlayStation. 
Boring days are gone, I'm a-goin' strong, 
'Cause Jimbo just wrote me a letter. 
 
Well, he wrote me a letter 
Said he couldn't fly without some more dough. 
Listen critics, can't you see we got to get back 
To Wikimania once more --anyway... 
 
Gimme a tax break for a donation, 
My column's more fun than Sony PlayStation. 
Boring days are gone, my column's going strong, 
'Cause Jimbo just wrote me a letter. 
Because Jimbo just wrote me a letter. 
 
 
''CopyClef 2010 Wayne Carson Thompson and Barsoom Tork Associates.'' 
''Resurrection Hackware. All songs abused.'' 

== e-mail ==

I sent you an e-mail. Did you receive it? [[User:Jonas Rand|Jonas Rand]] 02:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:I did. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 19:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== Delete "Sarey Savy" ==

Hi may i ask you to delete "Sarey Savy". The article has been created on a wikipedia. Thanks! ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 04:06, 27 January 2011 (UTC))
:Are you [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sarey_Savy sure about that]? Let me know. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 20:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Oops i mean on Wikinfo he is featured. [http://www.wikinfo.org/ Sarey featured]
:Michael, I'll be happy to delete any page that you created, but I'm really confused why you'd want to delete something here, just because it now also appears on another web site (and one that gets less than one-third of our traffic reach). -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 05:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok well at least til' the article stays may we just take the semantic rankings tag for now than add it again later? ([[User:Michael Chen|Michael Chen]] 08:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC))

== Recent Edited ==
Thanks for the recent [http://www.mywikibiz.com/index.php?title=Titoism_and_Totalitarianism&diff=0&oldid=133346 edited] [[User:Peter Z.|Peter Z.]] 02:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Do You Know Of Other Sites Like MyWikiBiz? ==

Do You Know Of Other Sites Like MyWikiBiz? That is my question. Thank you. [[User:Geoff White|Geoff White]] 04:59, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, the sites I typically point to as possible similar venues are Wikipedia, AboutUs, Wikinfo, MerchantCircle, HotFrog, and NetKnowledge. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 14:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

== Problematic Edits ==

Hi, Greg, been away for a while, but noticed a few problematic edits and editors creeping in.
# [http://mywikibiz.com/Blow_Gallery_Job_Mpeg_Tgp]
— [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 11:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

: Frustrating how spam bots have apparently found an automated technique to register here, confirm registration, then post one new page, never to return. I'm going to look into how we can limit them, maybe with a captcha. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 15:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

:: I know, it's almost enough to make one think that maybe wikis are not such a hot idea, after all … [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 22:07, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Greg, more problematic stuff at the top of recent changes. Been real busy with local politics lately, but I tend to notice these sorts of things whenever I recommend a new batch of users to the site. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 04:56, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

: Thanks, Jon. I've deleted a few of them, but the solution will have to be a captcha for new account registration. I have my developer working on it, but he's been busy. Might have to outsource the task soon. This is really out of hand. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 12:33, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
:: Hello MyWikiBiz! Problematic edits are happening again. Regards [[User:Peter Z.|Peter Z.]] 10:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I didn't realize that I forgot to mention that we've installed a captcha test for all new account registration, just a couple of days ago. But, it clearly has only slowed the problem, but not halted it.

Wow, they are persistent little devils, aren't they? I'll bet they're using some form of Amazon Mechanical Turk to pay Pakistanis about 3 cents for every captcha they crack. Next step, I believe, will be adding some "test of intelligence" like "What is the fifth word in this sentence?" for every new account, and possibly for every new-page creation. If that doesn't slow them down, I'm open for suggestions. I'm going to leave in place the recent ones, so that my developer can analyze their process. I don't know what the fascination is with joyful male chickens, anyway. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 13:40, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

== Spam protection filter ==
Hi MyWikiBiz! I've been encountering the Spam protection filter. I tried to add an AdBrite of my own and the Spam protection ''filter'' was triggered. Also when I tried to use one of the [[Help:Listing#Add a Directory Listing|"Add a Directory Listing"]] for an article template the Spam protection filter was triggered. Am I doing something wrong ? [[User:Peter Z.|Peter Z.]] 05:38, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
:You're not doing anything wrong. We have been victimized in a collateral way by the Mediawiki developers and the Wikimedia "movement", where they have decided that their interpretation of sites that are "spam" will be promulgated to all users of the Mediawiki software. I have a developer looking into how we either remove or modify that "spam blacklist". Even highly useful sites like Examiner.com and TinyURL.com are blocked. It's yet another example of the tyranny of the Mediawiki hive. They will decide for us which links are worthy of publication! - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 16:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
:: That's crap! [[User:Peter Z.|Peter Z.]] 01:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

== CheckUser ==

It's high time a CheckUser is introduced. I see that vandals are not being traced to their original name(s).
Without CheckUser, sockpuppet investigations are very hard to carry out. I see so many 'buy X' usernames out there.
Even the Sherrod of OhInternet is clever enough to put a CheckUser on her wiki. The wiki was created 4 months ago.
15 times the span of Sherrod's wiki and no check user? No way.
See [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser the page on CheckUser] for more details. --[[User:Fiver7|Fiver7]] 10:55, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not philosophically interested in spying on my users, as a rule. If many of our users are trying to get Internet consumers to "buy X" product or service, that's okay with me. It's one of the tenets of MyWikiBiz -- you can sell things here. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 12:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

But sockpuppetry is the inevitable! [[User:Fiver7|''Fiver'''''7''']] ([[User talk:Fiver7|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fiver7|c]]|[[Directory:Muhammad Umar Alvi|b]]) 18:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

==Problems with Robots.txt==

Has anyone been messing with Robots.txt? The Web Archive is complaining that it can't find it for this site. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 06:36, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

: Seems to be working okay now. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 20:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

== Email ==

Hi MyWikiBiz,

I wonder, if you got my ''second'' email.[[User:LyubaPol|LyubaPol]] 04:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

:I did receive the e-mail, and I replied. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 19:25, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

== [[Johann Hari and David Rose]] ==

Hi MyWikiBiz. I've started a new article but before I go on with it I'd like to make sure it is OK and my work will not be deleted. Thanks.[[User:Wikikiki|Wikikiki]] 23:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

== Wikademia and Self Indulgence ==

These sites may be take down. This is the warning that they may be taken down.

The operator was banned from another forum, so it will not be announced there. Please feel free to announce this just about anywhere you like.

http://selfindulgence.org/

http://en.wikademia.org/

http://wikademia.org/

Also, keep in mind that all of the content is licensed as CC-BY-SA, so please feel free to copy as much of the content from those sites as you want to other compatibly licensed sites.

They may be kept up, but they also may be shut down. This has been the announcement. Another one will not happen.

Good day and life to you.
==My First Article==
Please review carefully [[Directory:Australian Paralympic Committee]], my first article. Please tell me if I am doing things correctly. I respect your comments and value your input. Thanks, [[User:Jackson|Jackson]] 13:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

== ⚠ 10,000 Edits ⚠ ==

[http://mywikibiz.com/index.php?title=Directory:Jon_Awbrey/Papers/Inquiry_Driven_Systems_:_Part_6&diff=156257&oldid=156255 ❢❢❢ 10,000 Edits ❢❢❢] [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 18:02, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:You're over 200 edits ahead of ''me'', you dirty rat! -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] 15:48, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

== Question for Karen ==

Hi Greg, is Karen still around? I had a question about how she created that NoNumTOC thing that I use a lot, as I needed to create one on another MediaWiki site. TIA, [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] 16:48, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

== Strange behavior when editing ==

When editing [[criticism of Jimmy Wales]], i saw your revision partly mangled the text, so I tried to fix it but was unable to. Also, would you check [[Special:Contributions/Badmachine|my last two uploads]] and make sure it's okay to host them here, please? Thanks. :) [[User:Badmachine|Badmachine]] ([[User talk:Badmachine|talk]]) 22:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

:We seem to have the "QINU" error in our MediaWiki. I'll see if our developer can fix it. Thanks for the heads up. I think your images should be okay, at least until someone asks me to take them down, anyway. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 03:13, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

:I think we have fixed the UNIQ xxx QINU script error -- it was apparently a problem with an unupdated SpamBlackList extension. -- [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 11:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

== WIKIPEDOIA LINK, UNBLOCK IT SO I FIX CORRECTIONS!!! ==

Don't be so bossy, also be more polite. Delete = from wikipedoia link! Y r u so uncooperative? DID U DELETE IT?
Permission to use satirical picture of box?Surely u wont mind that!
: Y IS IT SO HARD4U2REMOVE =?
: AGAIN Y CANT U REMOVE IT?>
::Your question doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps English is not your first language? - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 23:34, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
: I only used abreviatns. remove = as explained!
: WELL?
: mywikibiz.com/User:Books/Wikipedoia remove = asap or is that too hard4u?
: I just simply said, look at the bottom of the page n delete =, u r making an easy task, very complicated!
: Also, check all the pages that your bot removed, just like my good pages, Im sure u lost many other informative articles!
: DONT DELETE MY EDITS, IM DOING BEST TO KEEP THEM CLEAN, BUT SCUMBAGS LIKE ANTANDRUS & BSADOWSKI1 DESERVE ALL THE WORSE WORDS IN THE WORLD!
: I want the page to look good so delete = asap!
::Is this what you wanted [http://mywikibiz.com/index.php?title=User:Books/Wikipedoia&diff=465408&oldid=464515 done], Mr. Books? - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 21:11, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
: FINALLY!

== VanTucky and hen ==

I uploaded a larger version of [[:File:VanTucky and hen (Steven Walling).JPG]], which includes metadata at [https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:VanTucky_and_hen.JPG the source wiki] that did not make it onto the MyWikiBiz file page (unless I'm missing something). It's possible that a wiki setting prevents metadata, or maybe I grabbed the wrong version from ED. If you have any idea why the metadata did not make it over, please let me know if you would. Thanks. :) [[User:Badmachine|Badmachine]] ([[User talk:Badmachine|talk]]) 02:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
:I really don't know about how and why photo metadata would or would not transfer from one wiki to another. Sorry, Badmachine. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 02:46, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
==Whats your problem?==
This is correct site mywikibiz.com/0000 now where is my page? Move it Back NOW!!! I dont appreciate such acts, thats one of my most important site u destroyed!
: get your act together, WE WILL BE GIVING AWAY TOP 10 REASONS Y NOT TO DONATE TO WIKIPEDOIA, SO CLEAN IT UP!
::No problems here. I'm just organizing my website according to how it should be set up. Common-knowledge themes go in Main space. Living individuals and extant businesses go in Directory space. And personal project, theories, and memes go in personal User space. If you can document any legitimate, published references to your 0000 move, then we can consider moving it into Main space. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 20:28, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
: It is major move, I'd appreciate it, if you could move it, look at the site & games my group played!
: Make sure mywikibiz.com/0000 redirects to new site, also, Sygurd's bios should go on main page, you can check on him in Poland, he is popular!
: HEY I ASKED YOU SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT, WHEN WILL U FIX THE SITES?
: I just noticed you changed sygurd's page but make sure 0000 site automatically redicrects to proper page!
: WELL BEAVER?
:: Why did you just call me "BEAVER"? Your tone sounds like that of a domineering boss. You need to understand that you are not my boss. Okay? Once you demonstrate your understanding of that, then all else may flow forward on this site. Failure to understand that, and you're not going to get very far at all. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 16:25, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
: calm down dude, u said u have sense of humor, beaver is your funny nickname!
: I NEVER SAID I AM THE BOSS, ALL I WAS ASKING FOR WAS AUTOLINK TO 0000 SITE, IS THAT TOO HARD TO DO?
::Try not to give me "funny nicknames", and please don't call me "dude". Now, what is an "AUTOLINK" -- because I have no idea what you're talking about. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 16:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
: ok big boss man, 0000 should automatically connect to my space site, that's our important chess novelty!
::Sorry, I don't understand what "my space site" is. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 12:58, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
: my space is article that follows books, like antandrus david super vandal. WHEN LL U FIX 0000 LINK?
: Don't just undelete one page per day but more & u still didn't answer above query!
::You've been back for less than a couple of hours, yet already you're telling me how I should manage the site? I'm not surprised. Anyway, the 0000 article is found [http://mywikibiz.com/index.php?title=User:Books/0000 here], and the text will be visible, once I restore it. That text should not go in the Main article space for [[0000]], because your chess move is not a widely-recognized usage of the nomenclature, "0000". I will be restoring one article per day, as long as you remain compliant with the site rules and exhibit no more hostility, antagonism, or disruption. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 18:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
: I must disagree with you big boss, u did not undelete most important pages, u r not even doing one per day, make sure those 4 articles r restored by tomorrow. I want to contribute to wisdom & knowledge; wisdom must be spread! I am not hostile, antagonist, disruptor!
:: You can disagree with me all you want, Jan; but you base your disagreement on false information. I never promised that I would undelete pages in order of importance; in fact, I am simply undeleting them in the same order as I deleted them. (And let's remember, the only reason the pages were deleted was because you couldn't control yourself, you became arrogant and bossy, and you even insulted me and my wife. If you're going to act like a seventh-grader, then you need to be prepared to be punished like a seventh-grader.) I am, in fact, restoring [http://mywikibiz.com/Special:Log/MyWikiBiz one article per day], and the log shows. It's not your place to tell me to restore "4 articles by tomorrow". It's not even your place to tell me to restore 2 articles by tomorrow. I decided that the best way to manage you was to restore 1 article per day, and that is what I am doing. I agreed to this based on your agreement that the [[User:Books]] account will abide by site Disclaimers and the site owner's guidance on content. Right now, then, because you are using false information to criticize me, I believe that does constitute antagonism and disruption. Please learn to accept your punishment and live out this probationary action without constant complaint, okay? - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 12:06, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
: big boss, as we alreadt told u million times, unblock all the talk pages, if there is something u don't like just delete it, but talk page for article 2356 was full of info on boxing & u still did not undelete it!
::Restored the 2356 Talk page, though I made some improvements to it. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 04:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
: big boss, undelete all other articles, I wanted to write on Armenian Genocide-Talaat but it's missing!
::I won't restore the page about Mehmet Talaat Pasha, because its content was a direct copyright violation of: Modern Genocide: The Definitive Resource and Document Collection. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 04:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
: Do u have proof its copyrighted?
:: That would be a question for Paul R. Bartrop and Steven Leonard Jacobs, editors of the book, which by all observation appears to be copyrighted. A quick examination of the content of the Mehmet Talaat Pasha page on MyWikiBiz showed beyond a doubt that the content duplicated content in the Bartrop/Jacobs monograph. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 13:49, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
: big boss, fix this link http://mywikibiz.com/Talk:Titoism_and_Totalitarianism
: It's your site, I'M amazed u cant fix it!
::That link appears to be busted, and I do not know how to fix it. Sorry. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 04:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
: big boss, leave my talk pages alone, i did take that info from internet & i did not know it was copyrighted, but I added lots of other things that were missing there!

==What's your problem II?==
j/k thanks for the unblock. [[User:Emperor|Emperor]] ([[User talk:Emperor|talk]]) 23:10, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

== a couple of deletions plz ==

hi: would you plz delete [http://mywikibiz.com/index.php?title=Wikimedia-office-2011-05-26&redirect=no this] and [http://mywikibiz.com/index.php?title=User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-12-13-2013&redirect=no this] for me? i messed up a couple of times today. :/ [[User:Badmachine|Badmachine]] ([[User talk:Badmachine|talk]]) 02:24, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

:Done. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 03:45, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
::thanks. :) [[User:Badmachine|Badmachine]] ([[User talk:Badmachine|talk]]) 21:31, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

== Problems with Math Formatting ==

Hi Greg,

I've started working on some of my old articles again. The MathJax or whatever you're using here is a little better than it was last year but still messing up in some places. For an example, see what happened when I tried to update the table on my [[Zeroth Order Logic]] article to the TeX version that I put on [[Talk:Zeroth Order Logic]]. If you still have someone working on that, they might take a look and try to figure out what went awry. Cheers, [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] ([[User talk:Jon Awbrey|talk]]) 16:12, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

: Jon, after spending $900 to get the site to where it is now (with most of the spam removed, and new accounts throttled by a $5 fee), and spending $40 a month for hosting, I'm not prepared to pony up more for math logic fixes. (If I may be frank.) If you're willing to underwrite the costs (which are unknown to me currently), I can contact the paid developer who helped me most recently. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 15:31, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

:: Well, I offered to help before (if I may be ernest). I could do $100 if that would help any. [[User:Jon Awbrey|Jon Awbrey]] ([[User talk:Jon Awbrey|talk]]) 21:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

:::You lovable [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Frank_and_Ernest_(comic_strip).png scamp]. I'll look into it. - [[User:MyWikiBiz|MyWikiBiz]] ([[User talk:MyWikiBiz|talk]]) 02:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== Special:QuickAdd ==

hi: there is a link to the deprecated "QuickAdd" extension in [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|the sitenotice]]. all that would need to be done is to blank the sitenotice. :) [[User:Badmachine|Badmachine]] ([[User talk:Badmachine|talk]]) 05:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
*PS: would you plz delete [[:File:UCD pepper spray hoverboard.gif]] for me... i was testing something. thx. :) [[User:Badmachine|Badmachine]] ([[User talk:Badmachine|talk]]) 12:12, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

User talk:MyWikiBiz

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Directory:Wikipedialogs.com

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'''Wikipedialogs.com''' was a site dedicated to publishing IRC logs of official Wikimedia Foundation IRC channels. The site was closed after a legal threat from the Foundation, and technical difficulties. Despite the legal threat, the domain name was retained by the original owner until it expired December 10, 2015.

==Wikimedia Foundation and IRC==
The Wikimedia Foundation prohibits publishing logs of most of their IRC channels, except for [https://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/ a very few] that are published by the Foundation including "Office Hours" IRC logs. The owner of Wikipedialogs.com feels that this is contrary to Wikimedia Foundation's stated principles of transparency and openness, and the site was intended to help fulfill those principles by publishing these logs.

Former Wikipedia Foundation executive director Sue Gardner disagrees, claiming that IRC is an "ephemeral medium", and should not be logged, while [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sue_Gardner&diff=566302927&oldid=566269021 referring] to some of [https://archive.is/NWWY7#selection-427.1-437.79 her own sexual comments on IRC] as "an informal, jokey exchange". In a December 2014 ''Los Angeles Times'' op-ed, she [http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-gardner-women-in-tech-20141207-story.html quotes] 9 year old emails, despite her assertion at Wikipedia that this is "not useful":[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sue_Gardner&diff=566302927&oldid=566269021#Question]
{{quote|I'm aware that this IRC exchange is being quoted, lately, in the context of an Arb Com case. I'm not that familiar with the case (nor do I feel I need to be), so I'll limit myself to a general comment about the exchange. This was an informal jokey exchange on IRC among people who know each other well: Ironholds, Kat and I have all known each other for years, and we are friendly. That's the context. A slightly broader point: IMO IRC is a medium that lends itself to, and is often used for, casual kibitzing -- it is essentially a social medium that provides a way for people to collapse physical distance and hang out together as though they were in the same room. In the same way that I don't think it would be useful to, years later, play back sections of a phone call or office water-cooler conversation, I also don't think it's useful to quote back sections of IRC dialogue. It's an ephemeral medium. Thanks Sue Gardner (talk) 16:31, 29 July 2013 (UTC)}}

==Legal threat==
The Foundation sent a legal threat to the owner, demanding the removal of the site, because of the use of their wordmark "Wikipedia" in the URL. They claim that the use of "Wikipedia" in the URL cultivates an apparent relationship between the two sites. The owner added a disclaimer to the sitenotice (a special page whose text is displayed on all pages), and the Foundation did not send any further legal threats.

===Text of the legal threat===
<pre>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:09:06 -0700
Subject: Use of Wikipedia trademarks on wikipedialogs.com
From: TM Enforcement
To: [REDACTED] @dildomail.com

To Shawn McNamara, the domain owner of Wikipedialogs,

We at the Wikimedia Foundation recently noticed that your website uses the
word mark, Wikipedia, in its URL. We’re delighted that you like the
Wikimedia projects as much as we do! However, it’s our duty here at the
Foundation to manage all trademarks of the Wikimedia projects in order to
protect the work and reputation of our community members. The word mark,
Wikipedia, happens to be one of the trademarks under our guardianship.

The Wikimedia Foundation and the community have worked hard to gain
worldwide recognition as the source of the largest collaborative
encyclopedia on the internet. As you know, volunteers put in countless
hours of effort to make Wikipedia what it is. Projects’ marks symbolize the
reputation and goodwill created by the efforts of our Foundation and
community more broadly. Because your site uses one of these marks, it could
easily confuse third-party viewers. As you can imagine, we come across
situations like this quite frequently. However, if we allow uses that could
be potentially confuse other viewers, we risk chipping away at the link
between our word mark and the work of the Wikimedia community.

We love your enthusiasm for the Wikipedia projects and your desire to get
involved in their development. But, due to the concerns mentioned above, we
must respectfully ask that you refrain from using our word mark to
cultivate an apparent relationship between our project and your site in the
absence of such official partnership. Please get back to us within 14 days
and let us know that you received this message by responding or emailing us
at tm_enforcement@wikimedia.org. If you have any questions or concerns
about what usages of the trademarks are acceptable, please contact us here
or by email.

Sincerely,

–
Stephen LaPorte
Legal Counsel
Wikimedia Foundation
149 New Montgomery Street, 3rd Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
slaporte@wikimedia.org
415.839.6885 ext. 6793 (Office)
415.882.0495 (Fax)
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==Provenance==
In 2011, Wikipedia banned a longtime contributor who had been collecting IRC logs over his several years of contributing to Wikipedia, and he published these in 2011. Wikipedialogs republished them in 2012, along with their own logs. Many Wikipedians were exposed as using abusive and misogynistic language, which proved embarrassing to them. Many Wikipedians deny the validity of the logs, but some of them have tacitly admitted to the accuracy of the logs by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=566824375 apologizing for things they said on IRC], and [[User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-11-24|which were accurately represented]] by the logs.

==See also==
*Many of the logs [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Badmachine|have been published here, to MyWikiBiz.com]]

==External links==
*wikipedialogs.com (now expired)

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Wikipedia's User:Djembayz is a woman named Kristin Anderson. At the October 2015 "Wikiconference USA" it is purported that she physically threatened another attendee who uses the name "Native Foreigner" on Wikipedia. After that accusation was made, [https://archive.is/UXj9Q 26 images] have been de-categorized and nominated for deletion on Wikimedia Commons, as suddenly Ms. Anderson does not want her visual image associated with her name any more. However, the files were already shared under a Creative Commons license, so they may be retained, such as this one.

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Making Peripheral Participation Legitimate: Reader Engagement Experiments in Wikipedia

Aaron Halfaker, Oliver Keyes, Dario Taraborelli

ABSTRACT Open collaboration communities thrive when participation isplentiful. Recent research has shown that the English Wik-ipedia community has constructed a vast and accurate infor-mation resource primarily through the monumental effort of arelatively small number of active, volunteer editors. BeyondWikipedia’s active editor community is a substantially largerpool of potential participants: readers. In this paper we de-scribe a set of field experiments using the Article FeedbackTool, a system designed to elicit lightweight contributionsfrom Wikipedia’s readers. Through the lens of social learningtheory and comparisons to related work in open bug trackingsoftware, we evaluate the costs and benefits of the expandedparticipation model and show both qualitatively and quanti-tatively that peripheral contributors add value to an open col-laboration community as long as the cost of identifying lowquality contributions remains low.
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* http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/Making_Peripheral_Participation_Legitimate/halfaker13making-preprint.pdf

Keywords: Article Feedback Tool, AFT5, WMF failed software extensions, Flow, Vector skin, Echo, VisualEditor, Flow, Media Viewer, Wikipedia, Wikimedia Foundation

User talk:MyWikiBiz

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17:51 -!- tommorris [~tommorris@wikimedia/Tom-Morris] has joined #wikimedia-office
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17:51 -!- Topic set by Thehelpfulone [~Helper@wikimedia/Thehelpfulone] [Thu May 26 17:20:54 2011]
17:51 [Users #wikimedia-office]
17:51 [@ChanServ ] [ Danny_B|backup] [ greg-g ] [ Kingpin13] [ Nihiltres ] [ tommorris ]
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17:51 [ Beria ] [ Fluffernutter ] [ Jan_eissfeldt] [ mquin ] [ stwalkerster ]
17:51 [ Catrin_WMDE_ ] [ geniice ] [ jeremyb ] [ mrmist ] [ Tanvir ]
17:51 [ ChristineM ] [ GerardM- ] [ kibble ] [ Myra ] [ Thehelpfulone ]
17:51 -!- Irssi: #wikimedia-office: Total of 37 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 36 normal]
17:51 -!- Channel #wikimedia-office created Fri Sep 4 19:22:17 2009
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17:52 < Thehelpfulone> I know, this one must be serious ;)
17:52 * tommorris actually has some microwaveable popcorn.
17:52 < GerardM-> Well not me ... eh wait ... maybe I should
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17:53 < Odisha1> hello..
17:53 < GerardM-> Hoi Odisha1
17:54 < StevenW> Hello!
17:54 < Odisha1> sorry i m late..
17:54 < Thehelpfulone> hi
17:54 < GerardM-> you are on time
17:54 < StevenW> Sue's just getting in everyone, so it will be a moment still. :)
17:54 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikimedia-office
17:54 < GerardM-> Hoi Kat
17:54 * mindspillage waves
17:54 < Thehelpfulone> StevenW: I've spammed most channels at 16:50 UTC, perhaps you can re-do it in 10 mins?
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17:55 < StevenW> Sure thing. Thanks Thehelpfulone.
17:55 < Thehelpfulone> np :)
17:55 < Tanvir> StevenW, the spammer!
17:55 < StevenW> haha
17:55 < StevenW> Hi Tanvir
17:55 -!- matanya [~matanya@wikimedia/matanya] has joined #wikimedia-office
17:55 * Ironholds wanders off to have Thehelpfulone blocked
17:55 < Tanvir> Hiya!
17:55 < Ironholds> oh, and StevenW. he's a vicarious spammer.
17:55 < Thehelpfulone> hehe
17:55 * Fluffernutter would pay to see Ironholds block StevenW
17:55 < Nihiltres> ah, it's nearly time
17:56 * Tanvir locks StevenW and Thehelpfulone with the following comment: Cross-channel spam. :P
17:56 < Ironholds> Fluffernutter: I owe him cookies
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17:56 < StevenW> I haven't done it yet Tanvir. ;-)
17:56 < Ironholds> well, mindspillage owes him cookies, I offered to deliver them if I'm in SF before she is
17:56 < Fluffernutter> Ironholds: so after you block him, he’ll offer you cookies and you’ll knuckle under and unblock?
17:56 < Thehelpfulone> exactly, blocks can't be pre-emptive Tanvir :P
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17:56 < Tanvir> Okay, then I am waiting to press the button StevenW. ;)
17:57 < Tanvir> o.O StevenW is a OP? He can ban me now. :(
17:57 < Thehelpfulone> :D
17:57 < Fluffernutter> better be nice :P
17:57 < Tanvir> Heh
17:57 <+StevenW> I am, but I don't usually op myself because there's no reason to
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17:58 < GerardM-> Hoi Sue
17:58 < Thehelpfulone> hi sgardner, you might want to identify so we know it's really you ;)
17:58 < Fluffernutter> that helpful one, so helpful
17:58 < GerardM-> <grin> do not think that is necessary
17:58 <+sgardner> It's me; StevenW can vouch for me :-)
17:59 <+StevenW> haha
17:59 < GerardM-> if it is not her *it* gets kicjed
17:59 <+sgardner> How are you all? :-)
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17:59 < Thehelpfulone> good thanks :)
17:59 < Ironholds> eh, alright.
17:59 < tommorris> ooh
17:59 <+sgardner> What's wrong Oliver?
17:59 * tommorris is stalking sgardner logged-out edits
17:59 < Odisha1> evergreen
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17:59 < Ironholds> sgardner: I got bored and decided to map the entire help interface
17:59 < Ironholds> I finished it
17:59 < Ironholds> now I'm bored again :P
17:59 <+sgardner> OMG
17:59 < Fluffernutter> sgardner: I WARNED him about the pain involved in that!
17:59 < Fluffernutter> but he didn’t listen!
18:00 < tommorris> Ironholds: there is ths encyclopedia to write...
18:00 < GerardM-> <working on an interview by Ting>
18:00 <+sgardner> We tried to do that in New York at the wiki meetup -- Fluffernutter you were there, weren't you?
18:00 < Ironholds> sgardner: I actually made it more difficult
18:00 <+sgardner> soo painful.
18:00 < mindspillage> Ironholds isn't happy unless he has a huge task to complain about. :-)
18:00 < Fluffernutter> yep, I started the sessions, sgardner
18:00 < Fluffernutter> mindspillage++
18:00 < Ironholds> the diagram is colour-coded with the SMOG Index readability level of each page
18:00 < matanya> hello @ all
18:00 <+sgardner> That was a tough session. Eeeee.
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18:00 <+sgardner> Hi matanya :-)
18:00 < Ironholds> mindspillage: I can be happy without complaining
18:00 < Ironholds> sometimes, for example, I'm asleep
18:00 < Fluffernutter> sgardner: and I’m annoyed to this day that once the sessions ended I couldn’t herd cats well enough to actually implement some change :/
18:00 < Ironholds> or have laryngitis
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18:01 <+sgardner> Hey Kat :-)
18:01 < Hedgehog456> What's the topic?
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18:01 < Fluffernutter> Ironholds: you can complain through laryngitis. You have a keyoard.
18:01 <+sgardner> So can I kick off a little?
18:01 <+StevenW> Please do!
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18:01 < Nihiltres> Ironholds: next, you need to productively edit every page on the wiki at least once.
18:01 <+StevenW> Hi Abbas
18:01 < Hedgehog456> If it's New Edition Retention I have a huge speech to make
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18:01 < Fluffernutter> heh
18:01 < Nihiltres> ;)
18:01 < Hedgehog456> *Editor
18:01 <+sgardner> I had a couple of ideas of things we might want to talk about.
18:01 < Abbas> hi Steven, hi all
18:01 <+sgardner> Although I am also totally open to people's ideas; these are just notions.
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18:02 <+StevenW> Yeah, we didn't come with an agenda or preset questions this time.
18:02 < Ironholds> sgardner: briefly, do you want me to email you the diagram and associated analysis when I've finished looking through the spreadsheeted results?
18:02 <+sgardner> The Wikimedia Foundation's currently developing the 2011-12 annual plan; I thought maybe you would want to know stuff about that -- either the process or the substance of the plan.
18:02 <+sgardner> Ironholds: yes, please :-)
18:02 < Ironholds> neato
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18:02 <+sgardner> Although it's possible I'm deluded, and the only one who finds the annual plan interesting .. is me.
18:02 <+sgardner> And second...
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18:03 < GerardM-> sgardner I wonder how much manouver room will be in there
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18:03 <+sgardner> I was thinking about the board elections, which are coming up pretty soon.
18:03 <+StevenW> When GerardM- is elected to the Board I think he will change the annual plan. ;-)
18:03 <+sgardner> And I was trying to remember if there's a board member chat before the election, so community members can ask questions, gain info about how the board works, etc.
18:03 <+sgardner> LOL StevenW :-)
18:03 < Ironholds> we could always roll both topics into one?
18:03 < GerardM-> why do you think so ?
18:04 < Ironholds> Milosh mentioned giving all the contributors a fiscal incentive of 200 dollars-ish to edit. Where's our money? :p
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18:04 < GerardM-> because it is not how it works
18:04 <+StevenW> I was just kidding.
18:04 <+StevenW> :)
18:04 <+sgardner> And if there is not a chat with board members before the election, I wondered if people wanted to talk about the role of the board member, the kinds of work they do, etc. -- anything like that.
18:04 <+sgardner> (Kat is here too, so she could help if people want to do that.)
18:04 -!- Bence [54033446@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.3.52.70] has joined #wikimedia-office
18:04 <+sgardner> And now I'll stop talking, and catch up on what Gerard's been saying :-)
18:04 <+sgardner> And hi Bence!
18:04 -!- brion [~brion@wikipedia/pdpc.professional.brion] has joined #wikimedia-office
18:04 <+sgardner> So tell me what you guys think, what you want to talk about :-)
18:04 <+StevenW> Hi Bence, Prodego: we're talking about the WMF annual plan, which is being worked on right about now. If you have questions in mind please LMK.
18:05 < GerardM-> tomorrow I am going to publish an inteview with Ting ... what he has to say about board members is really profound
18:05 < Nihiltres> hi brion!
18:05 < Abbas> I'm on the elections committee, although I'm not sure if there's a community IRC scheduled -- but I think we could organise one
18:05 < GerardM-> and Kat was so gracious to allow for some questions as well
18:05 * mindspillage thinks it's a little awkward to do a board memebr chat, as all of the commuinty-elected members are running again!
18:05 < Hedgehog456> I personally think we should make the Article Incubator mandatory for all new articles and articles below C-class
18:05 < geniice> Abbas given the number of candidates it would be messy at best
18:05 <+StevenW> That is true mindspillage
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18:06 < Prodego> StevenW: might I suggest running some sort of free online encyclopedia be part of the plan?
18:06 < Ironholds> Hedgehog456: you appreciate that stub-class articles can be perfectly referenced and formatted, just short? :P
18:06 < mindspillage> (it would be great to have one, actually, without the three of us running participating)
18:06 < Abbas> but there are new candidates as well...
18:06 < Courcelles> Mindspillage, going abck to the trough must mean we're not getting /quite/ enough work out of y'all :D
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18:06 <+StevenW> haha Prodego
18:06 < Hedgehog456> Ironholds: okay, remove the C-class thing
18:06 < Hedgehog456> new articles though
18:06 < WereSpielchqrs> I don't know how many candidates there will be for the board but I wonder if IRC would work for a hustings with multiple candidates?
18:06 <+sgardner> mindspillage, yeah, it's totally awkward. There are good arguments for and against it. It might make sense to have a chat with the board members who are NOT running, insofar as the purpose would be to try to suss out what makes a good board member, how the board works, what the people do -- that kind of thing.
18:06 < Prodego> everything else is mostly a waste of money
18:06 < Ironholds> Hedgehog456: that's what they're doing.
18:06 < mindspillage> Courcelles: or the sanity has been beaten out of us. Either way.
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18:06 < Hedgehog456> Ironholds: mandatory? O_o
18:07 < Ironholds> Hedgehog456: unfortunately.
18:07 < Ironholds> or, a variation on incubation
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18:07 <+sgardner> Oh, sorry, we're talking a little at cross purposes. I wasn't thinking about a candidate chat (although that also makes sense to do); I was thinking about a 'what the heck do board members do anyway" chat.
18:08 <+sgardner> (I'm not saying people don't think the board members do any work; I'm saying that they may not know what the work is like.)
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18:08 < Ironholds> sgardner: the board chat would be interesting, and that'd allow for existing trustees to contribute
18:08 < Hedgehog456> Ironholds: So this is what happens when someone vanishes for a while? :P
18:08 < Ironholds> heck, it'd make them the centre of attention
18:08 <+sgardner> (And if they knew what it was like, that would help them make their choices for the vote.)
18:08 < Ironholds> and I do so love making mindspillage feel awkward and under pressure :P
18:08 < brion> the board *is* a bit mysterious :)
18:08 < mindspillage> brion: I'mon Facebook. I have no mysteries left.
18:08 < brion> :)
18:09 <+sgardner> Would that be interesting for people? Would people have questions?
18:09 < Hedgehog456> mindspillage: Diaspora
18:09 < Ironholds> sgardner: I'd totally show up
18:09 < Ironholds> with questions. I'm all about the pointless questions.
18:09 < tommorris> I'd show up to get my $200
18:09 < brion> i think it would definitely be interesting for folks to get a better idea of what's going on in board-land and how all the oversight & planning works
18:09 < Courcelles> Sounds interesting.
18:09 <+sgardner> Okay, so let's do it. I'll ask the board if they're game.
18:09 <+StevenW> Cool.
18:09 < Thehelpfulone> sgardner: I'd want to know what they do :D
18:10 < GerardM-> Oh well, how do you like this ? http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/05/wmfboard-interview-with-patricio.html
18:10 <+sgardner> (Maybe there is something scheduled already, just a general chat. We'll check.)
18:10 <+sgardner> Thehelpfulone: we could ask Kat, right now :-)
18:10 < Thehelpfulone> indeed, mindspillage what do you do?
18:10 <+sgardner> (Pinning her up against the wall, as Ironholds likes :-)
18:10 < mindspillage> ...
18:10 < Ironholds> ...
18:10 <+sgardner> LOL :-)
18:10 < Ironholds> NOT what I meant
18:10 <+StevenW> She spills her mind, obviously. ;)
18:11 < Ironholds> sgardner: you know the WMF covering psychiatric insurance?
18:11 < Ironholds> does it just cover YOURS, or are you going to pay for the trauma I've just suffered? :p
18:11 <+sgardner> Most definitely :-)
18:11 < mindspillage> Mostly, we send a lot of email. So part of it is the basic oversight role: reviewing the budget, the annual plan, evaluating the executive director ::eyes sgardner::. and the general functioning of the org...
18:11 <+sgardner> We have a wellness allowance, so people can get whatever help they need :-)
18:11 < mindspillage> It's also looking at the big-picture long term questions:
18:12 < mindspillage> the strategic planning process was a board initiative, for example: where are we going, and how do we set out a road map to get there?
18:12 < mindspillage> And answering questions from the perspective of the long-term stability and success of the organization: who should we partner with to be most effective? Which policies should we adopt globally to ensure that we stay free as in speech and freely accessible? Can we make compromises and should we?
18:12 < GerardM-> it is indeed the strategic choices that are influenced by the board
18:13 < Abbas> do contractors also enjoy those allowances?
18:13 < mindspillage> And what can we do to help guide the communities into making good choices and ensuring that success?
18:13 < tommorris> a few well-placed indef blocks...
18:13 <+StevenW> Is movement roles sort of like that mindspillage? The strategic planning I mean.
18:13 < mindspillage> sgardner: I think the board could use psychiatric benefits... :-P
18:13 < mindspillage> StevenW: somewhat, yes!
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18:14 <+sgardner> Kate, you are on the HR committee; you can make that happen :-)
18:14 < mindspillage> StevenW: the movement roles group is a group with the same concerns and ideals, focused on one particular part of the strategy--it includes some board members also.
18:14 <+sgardner> Kate. LOL. typo.
18:14 <+StevenW> Ah, gotcha. Thank you. :)
18:15 <+sgardner> So for example, one of the issues the board grapples with is (and is currently grappling with) is how much emphasis the Wikimedia Foundation should put on growing its operational reserve fund.
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18:15 <+StevenW> Can you translate operational reserve fund to human speak Sue? ;)
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18:16 < Courcelles> Thinks that would be "rainy day fund"
18:16 < Nihiltres> StevenW: the phrase "rainy day" comes to mind
18:16 <+StevenW> Yes.
18:16 < Nihiltres> ah, damnit, Courcelles :P
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18:16 * Fluffernutter jinxes Courcelles and Nihiltres
18:16 <+sgardner> That's a conversation I'm having with the board right now. It's a somewhat dry conversation --we've created financial scenarios going forward seven years, etc.-- but it's a really important conversation, because it's about balancing the importance of programmatic activities (e.g., Visual Editor) against the importance of yes,.., having rainy day funding.
18:16 <+sgardner> (Reading now.)
18:16 < mindspillage> there are the arguments over competing concerns: financial stability, potentially having to direct resources away from short-term needs, will it mean having to do more fundraising, what is the likelihood of risks if we don't, etc.
18:17 < mindspillage> (which translates into lots of email, mostly)
18:17 < Prodego> perhaps if less money were spent on other things...
18:17 < quanticle> Such as?
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18:17 < Nihiltres> Prodego: and then some other things don't get done :/
18:17 < tommorris> actually, here's a question for sgardner and others: the editor survey a while back, have the WMF learned anything interesting from that yet?
18:18 < GerardM-> the question is also what the effect of money spend now will be for advancing our goals
18:18 < tommorris> I'm pretty sure that had some section on prioritisation of funding
18:18 <+sgardner> Yes!
18:18 <+sgardner> (StevenW is typing an answer here.)
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18:18 < Prodego> Nihiltres: sure, but the budget has gone up far faster than the site has grown
18:18 <+StevenW> tommorris: the results are still being analyzed by Mani (Padne), but hopefully they'll be published very soon
18:19 < Prodego> Nihiltres: that money must be going somewhere that wasn't needed a few years ago
18:19 < GerardM-> Prodego there is still underfunding in areas
18:19 < GerardM-> money that was not spend because we did not have it
18:19 <+sgardner> And incidentally tommorris, I asked the same question (about prioritization of funding) in a survey I did of board members back in January.
18:19 < Nihiltres> Prodego: some, I'm sure. but GerardM- gets it
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18:20 <+StevenW> There are some interesting tidbits though from the editor survey, that sgardner has talked about with staff and I think on GerardM-'s blog.
18:20 <+StevenW> Do you want to share those real quick Sue?
18:20 < tommorris> sgardner: I look forward to seeing the difference in results. although i look forward to not seeing any difference more. ;-)
18:20 < Prodego> GerardM-: I am confident that there would be ways to spend more money if it were present, but that's always the case
18:21 < Prodego> personally I'd lean towardds the rooftop rotating wikiglobe
18:21 < GerardM-> my point is that money spend now in areas can have a huge impact on achieving our goals
18:21 <+sgardner> Prodego: yes, the budget has gone up faster than the site has grown, absolutely. Some of that spending was overdue/remedial (like, we needed to be buying more servers), and some of it is programmatic -- intended to support making the site better.
18:21 < Nihiltres> Prodego: there's always the Wikipedia-in-space meme
18:22 < brion> and keep in mind that the budget's *still* tiny for everything we're doing
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18:22 < tommorris> Prodego: I'm leaning towards a few million for a group of elite mercenaries to go around punishing vandals.
18:22 < brion> we could spend ten times what we do and still be cheap
18:22 < Prodego> sgardner: that's certainly true, and also programs such as the usability initiative that a site as large as wikipedia should definitely have
18:22 < GerardM-> another consideration is that we are not bound by commercial considerations
18:22 < Prodego> although I suppose that falls under programmatic
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18:23 < mindspillage> tommorris: that's actually the Community Department. But their methods are subtle; they're trying psychological tactics first.
18:23 <+sgardner> Have the results of the editor survey been published yet?
18:23 < Prodego> brion: advertising will fix that, but otherwise I don't think that will be changing all that much
18:23 <+sgardner> (Sorry, StevenW and I are scrambling a little to find the binder :-)
18:24 < brion> Prodego, true. :D easiest way to get more stuff done without a clear funding source is to expand partnerships with other non-profit and edu organizations
18:24 < brion> but that's a lot of work too
18:24 < Courcelles> Stupid question. Is there somewhere more detailed financial information has been published than the summary view that was in the annual report?
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18:24 <+sgardner> Oh yes, definitely.
18:24 <+sgardner> (Courcelles)
18:24 < tommorris> quick, you can say mean things about Ironholds while the netsplit ;-)
18:24 <+sgardner> If you look on the Foundation wiki, on the left nav there's a section called Financial Statements.
18:24 <+sgardner> (Or something like that.)
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18:25 < tommorris> Corporate -> Financial Reports and Form 990
18:25 <+sgardner> It's got the annual plans, the Form 990 filings to the IRS, and the mid-year financial statements. Plus the audited financial statements.
18:25 < brion> (i'd actually *really* love to see more time & effort going into explicitly educational work. maybe next year there'll be a better chance to bump those up)
18:25 < Fluffernutter> tommorris: and so I was going to say that Ironholds is -- oops :P
18:25 <+sgardner> Do you guys want me to talk a little about what we're planning to spend on next fiscal?
18:26 < GerardM-> <grin> riding my hobby horse, we are still not on a level playing field for languages
18:26 < Ironholds> sure!
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18:26 < Prodego> brion: what sort of educational work do you mean
18:26 < tommorris> sgardner: diffs perhaps. any major changes?
18:26 < SarekOfVulcan> Sure, but it's not going to mean anything to me. :-)
18:26 * Courcelles loves accounting/financial talk
18:26 < Prodego> sgardner: I'd be interested in that
18:26 < Nihiltres> Wikimedia budget commentary, in comic form: http://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=1137
18:26 <+sgardner> Don't worry tommorris, I won't do lots of numbers :-)
18:27 < brion> Prodego, wikipedia mostly serves the 'self-serve' adult/young adult crowd
18:27 < brion> primary and secondary education don't fit as well
18:27 < brion> we've basically got nothing that's really a good fit for young children to learn from or work with
18:27 <+StevenW> Though
18:27 <+sgardner> Hey I don't know if you guys know this: did you know that roughly half our spending is staffing, a quarter is tech hardware and hosting costs, and a quarter is "everything else."
18:27 * aude needs $300k for a conference next summer ;)
18:27 < brion> some have had some good work doing wikipedia-related things with teenagers (high school, college) but that only gets you so far
18:28 < brion> if we really want to help the third-world children learn, that's gonna need more work beyond what we're doing
18:28 <+StevenW> Speaking of education, there was a really cool story from Maker Faire: we got to meet a primary school teacher who uses Simple English Wikiepedia in her classroom.
18:28 < Prodego> brion: they will become the 'self serve' crowd themselves, if they aren't already
18:28 <+StevenW> I think her blog post was in the Signpost too.
18:28 < brion> StevenW, coooool
18:28 < Prodego> (teenagers)
18:28 < quanticle> That makes sense, sgardner, for-profit-businesses have the same cost structure, usually.
18:28 < SarekOfVulcan> Sue -- no, I didn't -- assumed the majority was tech/hosting.
18:28 < DarkoNeko> oops, it already started
18:29 < tommorris> StevenW: a friend of mine who had a team who went on a gameshow in Britain used Simple English to prepare for it. ;-)
18:29 < quanticle> Hardware is cheap; people are expensive, etc.
18:29 <+StevenW> haha nice tommorris :)
18:29 <+sgardner> SarekofVulcan: yeah. A little over 50% of our spending is on technology, if you include the tech staff in those numbers. But if you put the tech staff into the "staffing" piece of the pie, then it's 50% staffing and 25% technology.
18:30 <+sgardner> Just depends which way you want to slice the numbers.
18:30 < GerardM-> as we do not consider standards work that benefits language equality, we will fail in many respects.. this ensures that we remain English mostly
18:30 < SarekOfVulcan> Ah, like it better sliced that way, Sue. :-)
18:30 <+sgardner> :-)
18:30 < quanticle> Actually, I'm surprised that tech. is that much, though I shouldn't be, given that Wikipedia is one of the few nonprofits that I know of that runs at web scale.
18:30 < brion> GerardM-, that reminds me -- had some great convos w/ some of the langcom folks in berlin
18:30 <+sgardner> So here are some of the areas where, right now, we're planning to increase spending next year:
18:31 < GerardM-> Brion I know
18:31 < brion> the idea of wikimedia joining things like the unicode consortium could indeed be a smart move in helping push things
18:31 <+sgardner> One is what we're calling "Wikimedia Labs," and since Brion is here, maybe he could talk a little about what that is?
18:31 <+sgardner> (I will keep going also though, with other things :-)
18:31 < tommorris> sgardner: has there been any consideration of open source bounties for coding, especially for experimental stuff?
18:31 < aude> +1 for wikimedia labs
18:31 <+sgardner> Another is the Visual Editor, AKA Rich Text Editor or WYSIWYG.
18:31 < brion> well it's still all a little vague at this point. :) danese could probably elaborate better on overall plans
18:31 < GerardM-> we can have out place in Unicode by hiring Michael Everson to fill gaps that hurt us
18:31 < brion> but we're definitely starting up forward-looking stuff
18:32 < GerardM-> that will not cost us as much and have a dramatic effect
18:32 < brion> including adapting toolserver-like infrastructure and making it even easier for researchers & experimenters (should be very awesome)
18:32 < quanticle> Or even, publishing a roadmap of proposed enhancements might be nice. Is there one already? Simply knowing which features the Wikimedia Foundation prioritizes would be helpful for us outside programmers.
18:32 < brion> and the visual editor work will lead us farther towards making editing itself easier, and giv ing us more flexibility for templates and such
18:32 <+StevenW> yes, it will be. We're already happily factoring the Labs into our research plans for the summer. :)
18:32 < brion> that'll make it easier in future to drop in new interactive features, let template programmers create really cool things
18:33 < aude> brion: wikimedia labs or some place outside of toolserver is needed for maps, for example, and glam metrics, etc.
18:33 <+sgardner> Another is mobile. We plan to make a fairly large investment in mobile next year -- both in creating a better mobile experience for readers, creating some features that allow people to participate via mobile (ie upload photos), and also creating partnerships with mobile providers.
18:33 < aude> sooner the better
18:33 <+sgardner> The purpose of the partnerships wouldn't be to generate revenue -- it would be to make Wikipedia easier/cheaper for mobile users to access.
18:33 < SarekOfVulcan> AKA "damn, where's the switch to turn this off so I can actually get some work done" :-)
18:33 < brion> aude, exactly
18:33 <+sgardner> (I'm gonna stop and read for a minute, then talk about some more new initiatives.)
18:33 < brion> the new labs stuff will be more flexible than toolserver and we'll be able to let folks run more server-ish tools
18:33 < tommorris> on Wikimedia Labs, any thought of collaborating with Mozilla Foundation. they have lots of money and seem to be trying to spend it on cool experimental stuff like Drumbeat and user interface design events
18:34 < YairRand_> wysiwyg would only really be helpful for certain projects. it's not going to be made default all over the place, is it?
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18:34 < Prodego> sgardner: is the ability to edit via a mobile device all that important? I can see for sites such as facebook the advantages of mobile facebook uploading, but we tend to expect more than upload and forget
18:34 < GerardM-> I learned that an incubator project that would be cool will not happen because the cost of bandwidth to the USA
18:34 < brion> YairRand_, we'll be working hard to make it *not suck*. but you'll always be able to do raw source editing too if you like
18:34 < tommorris> christ, after the Pending Changes debacle on enwp, I shudder to think about the rollout of WYSIWYG
18:34 < brion> in a few years the source might not look like what you work with today though!
18:34 < Prodego> so on WMF sites, we will want licensing written out, quite a bit of paperwork
18:34 * Jan_eissfeldt wants this bloody _working_ edit button for mobile and not next easter
18:34 < DarkoNeko> pending change debacle ?
18:34 < DarkoNeko> ...that bad ?
18:34 < tommorris> DarkoNeko: the RfCs
18:35 < DarkoNeko> oh
18:35 < YairRand_> WT needs a semantic editor.
18:35 < jorm> hi kids.
18:35 < brion> tommorris, we plan to make the visual editor a lot less... intrusive. it should be possible to beta test it on your own on real sites long before we start pushing it generally
18:35 < WereSpielchqrs> Prodego in much of the world the mobile is the Internet device, not the PC
18:35 <+StevenW> tommorris: hopefully no feature work will ever be as painful as Pending Changes was.
18:35 <+StevenW> :)
18:35 < tommorris> brion: cool. You'll take Vim from my cold dead hands though. ;-)
18:35 <+sgardner> Brandon! Welcome back :-)
18:35 <+sgardner> So Prodego.
18:35 < jorm> i'm sick as a dog today but i'll lurk in here.
18:36 < brion> YairRand_, yes -- content-specific editing systems are important; things that work with the data structures on particular wikis
18:36 <+sgardner> :-(
18:36 <+StevenW> feel better jorm
18:36 < brion> for wikipedia that mostly means your standard 'edit this page', letting you jump into infoboxes without a lot of scary code etc
18:36 < brion> for wiktionary, eventually it's probably going to need very site-specific tools
18:36 <+sgardner> So Prodego, I think that -- to the extent that the projects are dependent upon people's participation, then we will need to make it possible for people to participate via mobile, since everything is shifting that way.
18:37 < quanticle> Hmmm... this is sort of a technical question - is there any work being done on the Wikitext syntax? A WYSIWYG editor is nice and all, but the markup that those editors output tends to be pretty horrible if the underlying markup syntax doesn't well support the capabilities of the editor.
18:37 <+StevenW> brion: you want to tackle that one? :)
18:37 < SarekOfVulcan> WYSIWIG doesn't excite me, but semantic does. Does that mean "type [[ and start getting titles filled in", or "type {{ and have it start showing infobox parameters"?
18:37 < geniice> brion so infoboxes are going to end up being part of mediawiki rather than template constructs?
18:37 < brion> wikihow for instance has a very site-specific rich editor for creating new pages (which have very specific formats) -- not a great general but fits in to their site well.
18:37 < tommorris> sgardner: did you see this - http://blog.tommorris.org/post/5662997343/custom-css-for-wikipedia-on-ipad ?
18:37 < DarkoNeko> infoboxes integrated in mediawiki ? that sounds pretty evil
18:37 <+sgardner> I do not think that it'll ever be possible (that people will ever want to) edit extensively from their phones. Like, really *writing*. But we need to find ways, I think, to engage people via their phones, and hopefully then some small proportion of them will begin to edit extensively from their desktops also.
18:38 < brion> quanticle, basically we're keeping the existing syntax as is and definining it much more solidly. the editor will be very aware of our scary syntax and will be able to handle escaping/etc when making weird nested constructs
18:38 < brion> the good news is...
18:38 < brion> ...all our *new* syntax constructs are actually very clean since parser functions came in :)
18:38 < tommorris> sgardner: the deletionists will love it. You can't necessarily create content on your phone, but deleting it will be really easy! ;-)
18:38 <+sgardner> I didn't see that, tommorris. But I'll look at it. StevenW says it looks good :-)
18:38 <+StevenW> awesome is more like it actually
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18:38 <+sgardner> tommorris: gah!
18:38 < tommorris> sgardner: I'm planning to do more with it
18:38 < brion> so as long as we can handle the old stuff, this basically lets us migrate things in the future to a cleaner internal syntax by the time noone will need to care
18:38 < DarkoNeko> doing RC from your phone, eh
18:38 < quanticle> Ah. Okay. So Wikitext is being properly parsed now, rather than run through an arcane PHP interpreter.
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18:38 < geniice> sgardner augmented reality
18:38 < GerardM-> ipad is said to be broken re Unicode
18:39 <+sgardner> So let me say some more things we're planning for next year :-)
18:39 < tommorris> DarkoNeko: we need Android and iOS versions of Huggle
18:39 <+sgardner> (This is just rough and loose. It's also not final yet.)
18:39 < Prodego> sgardner: mobile, at least at the top end, is shifting to be more compatable with full featured versions of websites itself. Now Wikipedia does have a lot of space spent on toolboxes, but supporting two full featured versions of the site, not even counting the multiple skins, might be somewhat wasteful of resources.
18:39 < brion> quanticle, right. we'll actually start with a JavaScript implementation, then eventually build a PHP implementation of the clean parser to replace the old internal one
18:39 < aude> sgardner: look at openstreetmap for cool ways to contribute via mobile (e.g. audio, photos, video, editing data)
18:39 < brion> the JS one will be used in the editor
18:39 < brion> and also means that it can be easily prototyped on live sites
18:39 < aude> gps coordinates too!
18:39 < Nihiltres> tommorris: <3
18:39 < DarkoNeko> tommorris > hmmm.
18:39 < quanticle> Oh. Okay, so the editor will actually be interpreting the markup of the page. That's pretty cool.
18:39 < brion> GerardM-, drop me an email about the ipad unicode thing, i'll want to look at that
18:40 <+sgardner> The Public Policy Initiative will wrap up in September. This is the project that persuades university students (in this case Americans) to help edit articles on particular topics.
18:40 < garfieldairlines> tommorris: first linux !
18:40 < SarekOfVulcan> "Hi. I'm standing in the middle of Fort Knox with my iPad. Upload the coordinates, please."
18:40 < ragesoss> woot!
18:40 < geniice> SarekOfVulcan we've largely done that
18:40 < DarkoNeko> I dream of being able to map a whole fortress just by walking in it
18:40 < brion> quanticle, yep. we want it to be very aware of the document structure, so templates and tables and whatnot don't scare the bejeezus out of it. that's the traditional problem with adapting html editors and then trying to convert back!
18:40 <+sgardner> And the PPI has been really successful -- the students have contributed LOTS of good content.
18:40 < Courcelles> Sgardner, will the PPI be continuing next school year, or is that depending on funding?
18:40 <+StevenW> Prodego: on mobile, hopefully that potential waste will be partially mitigated by the rewrite of the site that is moving away from the separate Ruby architecture and toward an extension.
18:40 < ragesoss> woot woot!
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18:41 <+sgardner> So we are going to want to permanentize (not a word) the most successful elements of that program, and internationalise its work.
18:41 < ragesoss> haha
18:41 < tommorris> eek, sgardner is -izing stuff. too much silly valley
18:41 < brion> :)
18:41 < Ironholds> sgardner: you said "permanetize"
18:41 <+sgardner> Courcelles: the PPI was always focused on the United States, not by our choice, but because the funding was restricted to that. So we want to continue it, but with an international focus.
18:41 < Ironholds> are you sure you didn't mean "make permanent"?
18:41 < Ironholds> :p
18:42 < RoanKattouw> permanentify!
18:42 < ChristineM> i stand in support of Sue's use of "permentize"
18:42 <+sgardner> LOL thank you Christine. I am illiterate :-)
18:42 < mindspillage> Verbing words that were not previously verbed is perfectly acceptable! It's taking it too seriously that is the problem.
18:42 < Thelmadatter> That will be interesting. as an English teacher Ive had students work on Wikipedia... with mixed results
18:42 < ChristineM> Sue: I'm an anthropologist. We make up words all the time! :)
18:42 < Nihiltres> supportize
18:42 < DarkoNeko> permanetize, hm *adds to wiktionary*
18:42 < Thelmadatter> errr English teacher in Mexico
18:42 < YairRand_> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/permanentize
18:43 < tommorris> right, anyway
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18:43 <+StevenW> hahaha Yair!
18:43 <+sgardner> yay!
18:43 < DarkoNeko> ...actually, that article was created mid 2010 ? haha
18:43 * DarkoNeko was pretty sure someone here didit
18:43 < tommorris> sgardner: are there any plans with the PPI and with GLAM to make it easier to get online volunteers more involved. I've thought about that kind of volunteering
18:43 < Courcelles> Mid 2010 and not another edit since...
18:44 < tommorris> but it's kinda not very well documented or whatever
18:44 < DarkoNeko> well, that's wiktionary
18:44 <+sgardner> We're also going to fund more 'editor recruitment' in India, and begin some similar work in Brazil.
18:44 < Thelmadatter> is there anything up online I can read with an overall view of how the program worked?
18:44 < YairRand_> checking on google books, it's in used
18:44 < DarkoNeko> *cough*
18:44 <+sgardner> Thelmadatter, I don't know. Probably there is: does anyone here know?
18:44 < GerardM-> Thelmadatter English or American spelling ?
18:44 <+StevenW> tommorris: I think the PPI global take is very specifically looking at educational institutions rather than general GLAM stuff. IIRC
18:44 < geniice> sgardner err have you seen the new internet restrictions in india?
18:45 <+sgardner> I got a great report the other day from Frank, and I'm assuming it, or some version of it, is available online somewhere.
18:45 < Thelmadatter> doesnt matter
18:45 <+sgardner> geniice: yes. It's worrisome.
18:45 < WereSpielchqrs> GLam definitely has a role for online volunteers, and while I haven't touched PPI I know they requested online mentors
18:45 < Jan_eissfeldt> we have to talk about that in boston, it's tbd
18:45 < quanticle> sgardner: So what does the Wikimedia foundation do regarding editor recruitment?
18:45 <+sgardner> It might be on the outreach wiki; StevenW is checking.
18:45 <+sgardner> quanticle: you mean, in India for example?
18:45 < Nihiltres> The PPI has created some interesting roles, we talked a bit about it at GLAMcamp
18:45 < Thelmadatter> Ok... Im wondering if US teachers ran into the problems I did
18:46 < ragesoss> (I'm at the convention of the Association for Psychological Science right now, where there is a ton of enthusiasm for Wikipedia class assignments. Check out the booth they've set up for me and User:Piotrus http://www.flickr.com/photos/ragesoss/5762453080/in/photostream )
18:46 <+sgardner> Oh Sage is here; Sage can talk about it.
18:46 < tommorris> basically, it feels like we need a way of co-ordinating online volunteers for things like PPI and GLAM and other outreach. there's lots of people who would be willing to get online to help support outreach events and programmes but it needs better co-ordination
18:46 < aude> we're looking at involving art history courses + glam (for example), with some cross "collaboration"
18:46 < Prodego> all it needs is a rotating wikiglobe
18:47 < ragesoss> Thelmadatter: there's no one place to get an overview of how it's gone so far, but I can point you to updates about a lot of specific elements. What are you interested in, in terms of how it's gone?
18:47 < Thelmadatter> My boss told me mid semester last year to drop work in WP supposedly because students complained
18:47 < aude> sgardner: what are you doing to help enable chapters in running PPI -type work, rather than from SF?
18:47 < ragesoss> (The semester is wrapping up, so this summer we'll turn our attention to documenting things in more condensed form.)
18:47 < Jamesofur> ragesoss: Ok that's awesome. You need to pack it up and take it with you
18:47 < WereSpielchqrs> Thelmadatter, what were they complaining about?
18:48 <+sgardner> Hi aude. I think probably the biggest thing we would be doing to enable chapters would be the grantmaking program. We're expanding that next year too: so chapters that need funding in order to run something similar themselves, can get it. There's also all the documentation and so forth, on the outreach wiki.
18:48 < Thelmadatter> too hard... too much work
18:48 < aude> sgardner: thanks
18:48 < Thelmadatter> coding for citation
18:48 < quanticle> sgardner: Yes. What's Wikimedia doing to "recruit" users there?
18:48 < Thelmadatter> getting them to paraphrase is "fun" too
18:48 < aude> we definitely want to keep things going at georgetown and support ongoing PPI -type efforts
18:48 <+StevenW> Of course, with any chapter program question, there's also the fact that now a lot of chapters have more money than they know how to spend. ;)
18:48 < aude> elsewhere in our region
18:48 < ragesoss> Thelmadatter: yeah, definitely our students also (undergrads, that is) reported the Wikipedia assignments to be harder than conventional assignments.
18:49 < aude> (of course, wiki dc is not yet a chapter and has no $)
18:49 < Thelmadatter> But I would like to work with WP again... in the long run it is worth it... there are gains with my very high level students
18:49 * tommorris covers his own mouth and Ironholds' mouth to prevent an expletive-laden rant about Wikimedia UK from gushing out.
18:49 < mindspillage> Thelmadatter: oh, that's sad--I would have loved doing something in undergrad that didn't involve work getting simply thrown away.
18:49 <+sgardner> quanticle, the program in India is run by Hisham Mundol (I might be misspelling his surname; I hope not). Hisham is aiming to recruit editors who are similar to the editors we already have -- ie., students.
18:49 < Thelmadatter> there's a frustrating learning curve
18:49 < GerardM-> sgardner but English only
18:50 < ragesoss> Thelmadatter: here's our "learning points" from the second term of the PPI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Ambassadors#Public_Policy_Initiative_spring_learning_points
18:50 <+sgardner> Because our assumption is that those would be fertile hunting grounds for us. So Hisham will be running outreach programs, with some similarities to the PPI, and with some Wikipedia Academy type elements as well.
18:50 < Thelmadatter> I might be able to get them to let me do it again in August if I have back up from you guys
18:50 <+sgardner> GerardM, what's English only?
18:50 < GerardM-> what the students are supposed to do
18:50 < GerardM-> in India
18:50 <+sgardner> No, no, it's not English only.
18:50 < ragesoss> Thelmadatter: you should talk with Frank. At this point, he's trying to strategize rollout by country.
18:51 < WereSpielchqrs> Thelmadatter - I think translation is a cool area for high school kids - I'm sure http://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AnnaSophia_Robb&diff=prev&oldid=1264842 this was me correcting someone's homework
18:51 < Thelmadatter> ragesoss... thanks .... looking at the doc
18:51 < Thelmadatter> I have college students
18:51 < ragesoss> so as to be able to try new things each time, to figure out what works better where.
18:51 < Thelmadatter> Business English
18:51 < GerardM-> sgardner It is what I hear people in India say
18:51 < GerardM-> if it is not communication has failed
18:51 < tommorris> we need Globish Wikipedia. ;-)
18:52 < quanticle> Oh. Okay, I'm asking because I hadn't seen any sort of real recruitment here in the US. As far as I know, most Wikipedia editors became such of their own motivation, rather than because of any encouragement.
18:52 < ragesoss> I think he doesn't have plans to get started in Mexico yet, Thelmadatter, but given that you're teaching an English-based class, it might make sense to make an exception... maybe get in connected with the US ambassador program.
18:53 < GerardM-> ragesoss you are making me happy here
18:53 < Ironholds> quanticle: not that I'm at all qualified to talk, but in my experience outreach in that form tends to be chapter-related
18:54 < ragesoss> GerardM-: what we've talked about (tenuously) is getting ambassador programs started in India, Brazil, and maybe Spain in the near term.
18:54 < Thelmadatter> OK... but itll take some doing for me to get an OK again
18:54 <+sgardner> We're also hoping to be able to fund a couple of community convenings (gatherings of community members to tackle hard challenges like editor retention)... we're wanting to finally start the shop, so people have easy access to Wikimedia merchandise... and we'll be spending a little more money on legal work.
18:54 <+sgardner> Hey, did you folks see that Geoff published a set of core legal policies?
18:54 <+sgardner> Which he developed with lots of help from Kat: thank you Kat :-)
18:55 <+StevenW> when sgardner says "shop" she means the web store btw ;)
18:55 * aude is running low on buttons + stickeres
18:55 <+sgardner> Thank you SteveW :-)
18:55 < tommorris> I know that there is discussion going on about trying to reach out to bi- and multilingual speakers to come to Wikimedia events in the UK in order to do translation. Wikimedia outrach to British institutions shouldn't just be about English WP (or indeed just about WP)
18:55 <+sgardner> Steve kate, what am I doing?
18:56 < Nihiltres> sgardner: "kate"
18:56 <+StevenW> Yeah tommorris I think I heard WereSpielchqrs say something about that :)
18:56 < tommorris> I was talking to a guy at a conference yesterday that had co-ordinated loads of English to Portugese translations. I'm trying to help him copy them over to Wikisource.
18:56 <+sgardner> I don't know; I am apparently incapable of typing people's names correctly today. it's sad :-)
18:56 < tommorris> s/yesterday/last week/
18:56 < tommorris> my brain is broken
18:57 <+StevenW> So we have about five minutes left. Unless anyone has anymore questions I think Sue wants to say something else about the annual plan.
18:57 <+sgardner> So that's basically it for the annual plan, I think. I was going from memory, so it's possible I missed something important. But that's the bulk of it.
18:57 < Nihiltres> sgardner: the "convenings" sound smart
18:57 <+sgardner> Oh that's all I wanted to say. And I know it's tough to respond to that, since there were no numbers given. But still, I'd be curious to know if anyone's got feedback / gut responses :-)
18:58 < Nihiltres> every time I have met Wikimedians in person (e.g. GLAMcamp this past weekend) it has been very productive
18:58 < Ironholds> sgardner: the convenings sound awesome; we're organising a sort of editathon-slash-hackcamp-slash-convention in December in the UK. Remind me to pimp the foundation for funds :P
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18:58 * Nihiltres high-fives aude, Thelmadatter, Pharos, et al.
18:58 <+sgardner> You have money in the UK Ironholds! :-)
18:59 < aude> hi Nihiltres , Thelmadatter , ...
18:59 < tommorris> oh yes, sgardner: on the point Ironholds has raised, is there any policy on running Wikimedia events with some corporate sponsorship?
18:59 < Ironholds> sgardner: correct! and I'd like it to stay that way, which is why I want someone else to actually PAY for stuff :P
18:59 * Thelmadatter rubs her very red hand ;)
18:59 * Pharos high-fives all around
18:59 < Thelmadatter> hi aude!
18:59 < WereSpielchqrs> We started with Bangla wiki as there is a big Bangladeshi community in the old east end, the invite has gone out but no takers yet. We do have a couple of London meetup regulars who edit in Chinese and one of the Indian languages
19:00 <+sgardner> You don't mean corporate sponsorship from the Wikimedia Foundation, right tommorris? You mean corporations like Mozilla.
19:00 * ragesoss wishes he got to meet Nihiltres
19:00 < GerardM-> WereSpielchqrs get me more info and I blog about it
19:00 < tommorris> sgardner: more like for-profits like Google
19:00 <+StevenW> Well Wikimania has been sponsored partially by companies before tommorris, so I doubt there's a rule against it for conferences etc.
19:00 < Ironholds> sgardner: Mozilla, Google, Blackberry
19:00 < tommorris> but yes
19:00 < Ironholds> that sort o'thing
19:00 < quanticle> I thing Google wouldn't object to funding Wikipedia, given that Wikipedia is the #1 result for so many queries.
19:00 < quanticle> :)
19:01 < Ironholds> quanticle: it's more "Would Wikipedia object to google funding Wikipedia" :p
19:01 < Prodego> google already donated quite a bit
19:01 < quanticle> Ah. Okay.
19:01 <+sgardner> Yeah, there is no policy forbidding or restricting corporate sponsorship of Wikimedia events, and I think that generally we are all trusting that chapters etc. will be smart about who we want to be associated with, and who we don't. Kul has helped chapters and Wikimania organizers in the past to construct sponsorship pitches -- if anyone has questions about best practices, past experiences etc., they could speak with him.
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19:01 < tommorris> basically Microsoft are out, but everyone else is okay. ;-)
19:02 < Ironholds> sgardner: brilliant, thanks :)
19:02 <+sgardner> I'll say also that we (WMF) don't have a 'bad boy' donor policy. Some non-profits explicitly have people they won't take money from: we don't.
19:02 <+StevenW> Alright I have meetings to go to and sgardner needs another cup of tea/coffee/fresca ;)
19:02 < Ironholds> tommorris: if our only option is Microsoft I will take out a loan on my soul to fund it instead
19:02 < geniice> wonga.com If it's good enough for the london underground etc etc
19:02 <+sgardner> tommorris: LOL :-)
19:02 < tommorris> don't worry, we won't approach any arms companies or brothels for money
19:02 <+sgardner> :-)
19:02 < Ironholds> aww :(
19:02 <+StevenW> You all are awesome. Thanks for the nice chat in the morning our time.
19:02 < Nihiltres> ragesoss: another time, I suppose :)
19:02 < Prodego> tommorris: the nazi party may be interested :)
19:02 <+sgardner> Okay, we do need to run. They are trying to set up here for a Liam Wyatt presentation, and we're in the way.
19:03 < Ironholds> tommorris, how am I meant to occupy my spare time if I don't have an excuse to hang out with gun-toting prostitutes?
19:03 < Ironholds> sgardner: take care; nice chatting
19:03 < tommorris> thanks sgardner and StevenW et al.
19:03 < geniice> tommorris given millhist I fail to see a problem with arms companies
19:03 * mindspillage laughs; I'd say to say hello to Liam but I just saw him.
19:03 < ajr> I love how off-topic these meetings get :p
19:03 <+sgardner> You too, Ironholds! nice to speak with everyone :-)
19:03 <+sgardner> I will say hi to Liam from everyone,including Kat :-)
19:03 < ragesoss> Hi Liam!
19:03 <+sgardner> Bye guys!
19:03 < Nihiltres> sgardner: sounds fun!
19:03 < ragesoss> Sorry to have missed you here in DC!
19:03 <+StevenW> Adios. :)
19:03 < Nihiltres> bye!
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19:03 < aude> bye
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19:04 < WereSpielchqrs> good night
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Badmachine: https://archive.is/RGNV8

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Session Start: Wed Aug 21 00:00:00 2013
Session Ident: #wikimedia-commons
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[00:17] <Fae> russavia: On the art installation; http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:FOP#Italy means FOP is not a clear rationale, though past cases like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Tate_Britain_North_Gallery_Jaguar.jpg show that 'installations' of purely mass produced objects or those with mechanical or chemical transformations (such as rusting) may not have...
[00:17] <Fae> ...sufficient creativity to be copyrightable from the viewpoint of hosting on Commons.
[00:17] <Fae> So, it is a potential DR to discuss the case.
[00:21] <PierreSelim> after reading french article on Shanghai, I believe I have some useful picture for Commons :p
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[00:44] <russavia> when is the changeover to https being made?
[00:44] <russavia> cropbot doesn't seem to be working anymore either
[00:49] <Steinsplitter> russavia: cropbot is using http, this is the problem
[00:50] <Steinsplitter> /-( https://svn.toolserver.org/svnroot/luxo/cropbot/
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[00:54] <Steinsplitter> russavia: or his quoate is full, the last time his quota was full
[00:54] <russavia> steinsplitter -- can you follow up here -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Luxo#Cropbot.27s_stopped_working -- just in case, coz i know nothing about coding and stuff
[00:54] <russavia> he has a quota? we need to remove that quota
[00:55] <Steinsplitter> the last time i hav asked DaB.
[00:55] <Steinsplitter> russavia: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rotatebot
[00:55] <Steinsplitter> and rotatebot is broken
[00:56] <russavia> again, since 19 august
[00:56] <Steinsplitter> i suggest to search a new bot operator
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[02:30] <Steinsplitter> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MisterGugaruz
[02:30] <Steinsplitter> ....
[02:33] <Fae_look_alike> Yes, well, SPAs will be discounted I guess, along with rather pointless IP contributions...
[02:33] <russavia> it's a bar.wp editor -- you know the project where I was blocked from 3 projects by a single admin
[02:34] <russavia> 3 projects instanteously
[02:34] <russavia> [[:bar:Wikipediocracy]]
[02:34] <AsimovBot> [7] https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipediocracy
[02:35] <Steinsplitter> *LOL*
[02:35] <russavia> now why is bar.wp the only project it is on after en.wp -- hell, even pl.wp deleted it
[02:35] <Fae_look_alike> The SUL check on the toolserver being out of action makes it hard to check on these things.
[02:35] <Steinsplitter> jepp /-(
[02:36] <russavia> Bavarian Wikipedia is a law until itself, and they hate everyone there
[02:36] <russavia> much like the real Bavaria :)
[02:37] <Steinsplitter> Wikipediocracy is not relevant, out of SCOPE.
[02:37] <Fae_look_alike> I saw the notice about moving to https: - I voted against it. I'm still unsure there was a *clear* case of why this benefits all users; as opposed to it remaining opt-in. It's going to screw up quite a few bots I think...
[02:37] <Steinsplitter> *lol* Trllscope
[02:37] <Steinsplitter> russavia: later i try to speak wit Reedy
[02:37] <Steinsplitter> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Reedy_RotateBot
[02:38] <Steinsplitter> starting this bot^^ :P
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[02:38] <Fae_look_alike> ... there are precious few bot maintainers that will sweep up and those that are not being actively maintained will all stop overnight. Sigh.
[02:38] <Steinsplitter> jwpp
[02:41] <Steinsplitter> Fae_look_alike: FaeBot can rotate Pictures? mhm... the php script is strange /-(
[02:41] <Steinsplitter> *luxos
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[02:42] <Fae_look_alike> No, Faebot does not do that. I never sorted out a lossless transformation and I don't spend time on stuff that other bots are doing okay on.
[02:42] <Steinsplitter> :)
[02:44] <russavia> well anything we can do to get these bots working asap, either old or new, can only be a good thing
[02:45] <Steinsplitter> or Reedy start the User:Reedy_RotateBot :)
[02:47] <Fae_look_alike> Oh, plus Faebot was approved for UK and GLAM work rather than wider and more general stuff - so I'm a bit cautious about larger projects going to Faebot without consensus. Hence the creation of Noaabot for that project and I may consider others if they arise out of firm need. Admittedly I'm working on matching tiffs with jpgs for the NARA project, but that's more of a one off odd-job rather...
[02:47] <Fae_look_alike> ...than a repeatable or long term bot-job in my view. Russavia: Yes, maybe. I'm focused on Python and pywikipediabot stuff, so bots in other systems would not be my bag. If there is a big bot breakdown, we probably should start a list and discussion on the VP to attract helpers.
[02:48] <russavia> Fae, slap
[02:48] <Steinsplitter> :D
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[02:49] <russavia> fae, this is BY-NC -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/foreignoffice -- but we have {{FCO}} -- is there some way you can import these photos to commons? I'll do the hard yards on them
[02:49] <AsimovBot> [8] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:FCO
[02:52] <russavia> i have a shitload of non en.wp articles a lot of them could be used on
[02:52] <Fae_look_alike> Not right now. If I get flickrripper going on my laptop I could probably do it easily, but I spent 15mins fiddling with it last night and probably need to spend a couple of frustrating hours getting the install working. If more urgent stuff does not displace it, I could get around to it - the value would be not just the FCO but all the other NC and restricted uploads (such as Sasha's...
[02:52] <Fae_look_alike> ...artistic photos) that might be regular imports. So a week or two unless someone else cracks on with it.
[02:53] <Fae_look_alike> I'll clip this into my backlog...
[02:53] <russavia> steinsplitter ^ ^
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[02:53] <Steinsplitter> ?
[02:54] <russavia> read what i just wrote -- you able to do that? know how to do it?
[02:56] <Steinsplitter> ....
[02:56] <Fae_look_alike> Anyone know why I frequently get 'urllib.ContentTooShortError' as a permanent failure for some uploads from www.defenseimagery.mil but not others?
[03:02] <russavia> fae, [[Commons:Bots/Work_requests#Uploading_a_high_value_stream_from_Flickr_.28we_have_template.29]] have put general request there
[03:02] <AsimovBot> [9] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Bots/Work_requests%23Uploading_a_high_value_stream_from_Flickr_%2E28we_have_template%2E29
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[03:07] <russavia> how fucking sick is the gun culture in the US -- http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-21/teens-charged-with-murder-of-baseballer-christopher-lane/4901044 -- "He said they had decided to kill someone "for the fun of it"."
[03:09] <BlastHardcheese> it would have been much more considerate of them to beat him to death
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[04:15] <Revi> bugzilla:52967 was solved
[04:16] <Revi> now default photo lisence is set to CC-BY-SA-3.0.
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[04:28] <Steinsplitter> russavia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ
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[04:49] <russavia> are you fucking kidding me!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/6
[04:51] <Steinsplitter> O_O OMG+
[04:55] <Steinsplitter> Pricasso – Russavia (give) (tag) –View nom subpage
[04:55] <Steinsplitter> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know/Queue/6#Credits O_O
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[05:10] <Fae_look_alike> LOL I was just on a Skype call where this was pointed out. I realized I'm well out of touch on what is going on at en.wp - that's a good thing. :-)
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[06:00] <Nemo_bis> hmpf https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roundtables/Roundtable_3
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[06:39] <Steinsplitter> Drakula O_O
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[07:21] <russavia> shit 35 years for manning -- that's justice for ya
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[07:24] <Nemo_bis> Steinsplitter: we also have bakula
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[07:24] <Nemo_bis> russavia: so little
[07:24] <Nemo_bis> why no death penalty I wonder, he must feel ignored
[07:25] <russavia> too little? considering the pilots of the apache who gunned down those journalists have yet to face any sort of criminal charge, really where's the justic
[07:30] <Wim_b> Nemo_bis: in italia 35 anni sono il tempo medio che serve per il rimborso di un divieto di sosta pagato per errore :p
[07:31] <Wim_b> quindi non sono poi così tanti rapportati alla giustizia italiana :D
[07:31] <Steinsplitter> Nemo_bis: é un die #wikipedia-de :D
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[07:33] <Nemo_bis> Wim_b: be', se è erroneo e lo paghi comunque sono fatti tuoi :P
[07:34] <Wim_b> dato per errore :p
[07:34] <Wim_b> sai quelle multe che ogni tanto ti arrivano con la tua targa ma modello sconosciuto? :)
[07:35] <Wim_b> che devi andare dal giudice di pace per fartela togliere e devi pure pagarlo?
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[07:37] <Nemo_bis> Wim_b: per quelle è meglio il prefetto
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[07:38] <Nemo_bis> multichill is making my archive of March 2009 uploads hard, even bigger than Bundesarchiv :) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Forest_%26_Kim_Starr
[07:38] <Nemo_bis> ten times bigger a day than average
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[08:35] <Nemo_bis> Fae: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52253
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[08:43] <russavia> my76strat, you want a rename?
[08:44] <russavia> do you want me to usurp your current commons edits?
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[09:59] <Fae_look_alike> Nemo_bis: Thanks for that bug link, it's a long complex discussion. Saw your email, I don't have a list. When/if https is switched on we can start a list of bots that stop working. For me, Faebot and Noaabot have to change and I haven't done anything about it as the preferences do not show an opt-out feature in advance of switch-over (having weeks or a month to opt-out in advance would have...
[09:59] <Fae_look_alike> ...been a great precautionary measure and would have ensured continuous operation for bots with operators that were paying attention).
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[10:09] <Fae_look_alike> russavia: I see you are being called a massive dick. As a gay man, I love the imagery, but I would never use that language on-wiki to describe others. May have something to do with Wikipedia Review voting me Dick of the Year a while back. :-P
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[10:10] <Fae_look_alike> Dschwen seems to be working himself up and ought to take an early bath.
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[10:13] <russavia> Fae, we don't need to take baths; us wikipedos are famous for being unkempt, dirty slobbish pigs
[10:17] <pleclown> On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
[10:17] <AFBorchert> *wuff* ;)
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[10:18] <russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Dr._James_Captain_Slow_May_-_RIAT_2010_(4811196091).jpg&oldid=102386241 i should have kept the original description
[10:18] <Fae_look_alike> I think you must mean the straight ones, like, say, Jimbo. The rest of us are known for ramming our minority extremist views in everyone's eyes but we are known for hanging around bathhouses too, so that's nice and clean.
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[10:19] <Fae_look_alike> Actually, strike that, I don't have a source to demonstrate that Jimbo is straight.
[10:19] <russavia> bwahaha
[10:19] <russavia> shhhh fae
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[10:22] <russavia> From Wikipedia. The Free Encyclopaedia. "Jimmy Wales is married to blah blah blah. According to http://marriage.about.com/cs/straightspouses/a/straightspouse.htm, a study determined that 20% of gay men in the US are in a straight marriage, and 50% of gay men have fathered children" OMG
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[10:22] <russavia> see that would be trolling, and trolling is bad, mmmmmkay
[10:23] <Fae_look_alike> Yes, sorry. I don't want to accuse anyone of being straight unless they self identify. Poor form.
[10:23] <russavia> hi btw afborchert :)
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[10:23] <AFBorchert> Hi Russavia & Fae & pleclown
[10:24] <Fae_look_alike> Hi, welcome to the non-cabal channel.
[10:24] <AFBorchert> there is no cabal here?
[10:24] <Fae_look_alike> Remember the first rule of the cabal?
[10:24] <russavia> a cabal of people who enjoy a laugh, yeah
[10:25] <russavia> Rule #1 -- keep all discussion away from #wikipedia-en
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[10:25] <AFBorchert> well, #wikimedia-commons logs get published as well
[10:25] <russavia> oh cool, i was hoping that day would come :)
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[10:26] <Fae_look_alike> Rule #0 -- assume everyone is capable of being a dick. ;-)
[10:26] <AFBorchert> see http://wikipedialogs.com/logs/index.html
[10:26] <Steinsplitter> Rule #1 -- keep all discussion away from #wikipedia-commons _:P
[10:26] <AFBorchert> some logs of this channel are included
[10:26] <russavia> no steinsplitter, we keep all discussion here
[10:27] <AFBorchert> and wikipediocracy folks already quoted me from here
[10:27] <Steinsplitter> i keep me discussions in #******* :) ;-)
[10:27] <russavia> i doubt the logger would be using the same username hmmm
[10:28] <AFBorchert> if you want to chat with me more privately, go to irc.in-ulm.de
[10:28] <Fae_look_alike> I would support officially logging all Wikimedia channels. Drive away the shadows with light - getting a bit biblical there, never mind.
[10:29] * bawolff tends to agree
[10:29] <Fae_look_alike> I would be happy to be quoted calling Kohs a complete tosser, so little to hide from Wikipediocracy.
[10:29] <harej> And how.
[10:32] * bawolff notes all the mediawiki channels are logged (or most. There's the secret staff channel i suppose)
[10:32] <russavia> wouldn't it be great if we required editors to identify with the foundation before editing, and for editing to occur under real names? :)
[10:32] <Technical_13> bawolff: shhh!
[10:32] <Technical_13> We don't talk about #mediawiki-fightclub
[10:32] <pleclown> Wikipediocracy is a nice place. I've learn there that I have asked admins to block me on enwp, and that I was blocked for some other thing last year
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[10:32] <bawolff> russavia: Hey, I'm identified to the foundation
[10:33] <Technical_13> :p
[10:33] * Technical_13 is identified...
[10:33] * AFBorchert is identified as well
[10:33] <russavia> i'm not
[10:33] * pleclown is not
[10:33] <AFBorchert> I'm away now...
[10:34] <Fae_look_alike> I'm identified. :-D I was years ago.
[10:34] <bawolff> They took away my oversight way back in the day when they realized I was < 18
[10:34] <russavia> and then you were identified in other ways too Fae :)
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[10:35] <russavia> sorry, a person who looks alike was identified as you
[10:35] <Fae_look_alike> Yes, that's right. I deny everything.
[10:35] <Fae_look_alike> This look alike account is not even me.
[10:35] <russavia> fark that, own it :)
[10:36] <Fae_look_alike> I'm actually under 18 and there's some middle-aged guy pretending to be me.
[10:37] <Fae_look_alike> When that story breaks it'll make a good Signpost story.
[10:37] <bawolff> sounds up their ally
[10:38] <Fae_look_alike> They'll stick in 'allegedly' and that'll make the defamation okay.
[10:38] <russavia> xD
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[10:51] <Fae_look_alike> Just re-reading Dschwen's "whipping your dick out in public" comment and wondering if he meant it to be completely hilarious or not. The discussion is long, fractured, complex; but it's not boring.
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[10:55] <pleclown> Fae_look_alike: it's tiring.
[10:55] <russavia> amen brah
[10:55] <Fae_look_alike> Yes. My tip, skip to the best bits.
[10:56] <pleclown> or do not care.
[10:56] <russavia> or get pierreselim to delete and oversight it all :)
[10:56] <pleclown> sorry russavia, but for my own sanity, I've decided to stop giving a shit.
[10:57] <russavia> same here mate
[10:57] <Fae_look_alike> :-D I think that's how Commons improves. Consensus through exhaustion.
[10:57] <pleclown> I'm back to what I do best. Upload tons of useless pictures.
[10:58] <pleclown> useless, but self made.
[10:58] <russavia> mine are useless, but made by others
[10:58] <russavia> we are almost the same
[10:58] <Fae_look_alike> A system for quick polls would be great in comparison. /You have 24 hours to vote yes or no on whether to ban Fae, click here/
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[10:58] <Fae_look_alike> That would be a cool system. And it automates the lynch-mob process. ;-)
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[10:59] <mattbuck> {{vd}}
[10:59] <AsimovBot> [10] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:vd?redirect=no - Redirection to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Vote_delete
[11:00] <Fae_look_alike> mattbuck keep your VD to yourself please. :-)
[11:00] <pleclown> mattbuck: it's too complicated
[11:00] <pleclown> we should set a page off wiki.
[11:00] <mattbuck> voting to ban fae? it seems easy to me!
[11:00] <mattbuck> I just did!
[11:00] <pleclown> the wikimarkup is too complicated
[11:01] <PierreSelim> I'm just wondering when people will stop wikilawyering on Russ's de-crat page
[11:01] <PierreSelim> maybe the https things will break the login feature
[11:01] <PierreSelim> :p
[11:01] <Fae_look_alike> So tempting. We could wipe out the cabal overnight. A 24 hour quick poll could get rid of all the top contributors. A neat blood bath and then we could all come back as new anon accounts...
[11:01] <russavia> weeee pierre
[11:02] <pleclown> Fae_look_alike: what if I upload my files under my real name ?
[11:02] <PierreSelim> pleclown: I'll have an excuse to OS your upload
[11:02] <PierreSelim> :p
[11:02] <russavia> Pierre le Clown?
[11:02] <pleclown> russavia: Pipo
[11:02] <PierreSelim> Pipo le Clown :p
[11:02] <mattbuck> in the city or the suburbs
[11:04] <Fae_look_alike> pleclown: You can change it by deed poll - this was actually advice that a member of Arbcom gave me on how to handle my harassment case. Sigh.
[11:05] <mattbuck> when I dream, I dream your fists, your fists, your fists
[11:05] <pleclown> Fae_look_alike: that's a really useful advice.
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[11:07] <pleclown> Fae_look_alike: But I don't live in a common-law country.
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[11:09] <rillke> @seen zhuyifei1999
[11:09] <wm-bot> rillke: Last time I saw zhuyifei1999 they were joining the channel, they are still in the channel #wikimedia-labs-offtopic at 8/21/2013 4:22:27 PM (1h45m55s ago)
[11:09] * rillke thinks wikimedia-labs-offtopic is an interesting channel name
[11:10] <pleclown> rillke: wikimedia-labs iz serious buziness
[11:11] <PierreSelim> rillke: :p
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[11:25] <pleclown> mattbuck: you there ?
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[11:27] <mattbuck> yes?
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[12:33] <bawolff> How often does the description field of the image info template having things outside of a language template ( like {{en|Image description here}})
[12:33] <AsimovBot> [11] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:en
[12:34] <bawolff> More importantly, how often does it mix content where some is in a language template, and some isn't?
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[12:35] <Technical_13> @link
[12:35] <wm-bot> http://enwp.org/Template:en%7cImage_description_here
[12:36] <rillke> bawolff: Something to ask at [[COM:VP]] or finding out by crawling a few pages.
[12:36] <AsimovBot> [12] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:VP?redirect=no - Redirection to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump
[12:37] <pleclown> Is there any Lower-saxons on commons ?
[12:37] <bawolff> rillke: I've been special:random/file 'ing a couple times
[12:38] <rillke> bawolff: I was, for example told, that I should put "Latin" names of flowers not inside {{la|...}} because that would be no real "Latin".
[12:38] <AsimovBot> [13] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:la
[12:38] <darkweasel> pleclown, you speak french natively, right?
[12:39] <darkweasel> can you help out there? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Olivier_Minne_sur_Fort_Boyard_en_2007.jpg
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[12:39] <pleclown> darkweasel: yes, I'm french, and no, I can't. Because I don't know what to do.
[12:40] * bawolff is writing a script that is trying to pick out image descriptions from commons pages. I'm wondering if i should just ignore things outside of the language tag of the target language
[12:40] <darkweasel> perhaps explain that we do delete images when an actual reason for deletion (privacy etc.) has been given, or something like that :/
[12:40] <pleclown> darkweasel: I've already told him that...
[12:41] <darkweasel> ah yeah, i see
[12:42] <pleclown> darkweasel: the best thing is to ignore him
[12:42] <darkweasel> yeah possibly
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[12:44] <rillke> Is bawolff writing something like WikiPic?
[12:45] <rillke> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/wikipic
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[12:48] <rillke> bawolff: If you need a JS-Wiki-DOM parser https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-libWikiDOM.js
[12:50] <rillke> templateZero = mw.libs.wikiDOM.parser.text2Obj( "wiki{{text}}" ).nodesByType.template[0]
[12:50] <AsimovBot> [14] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:text
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[13:33] <bawolff> Sort of similar, (in the getting the metadata) but from the php side
[13:35] <rillke> bawolff: Please provide this as API service.
[13:35] <bawolff> I will (Assuming things work out)
[13:35] <rillke> Oh, great!
[13:36] * rillke sees Rillke removing a lot of code from the slideshow gadget
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[13:41] <Technical_13> @configure default_link_wiki=commons
[13:41] <wm-bot> Value commons was stored into default_link_wiki to config
[13:41] <Technical_13> @link [[User:My76Strat]]
[13:41] <wm-bot> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:My76Strat
[13:41] <AsimovBot> [15] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:My76Strat
[13:42] <Technical_13> AsimovBot: redundant much?
[13:42] <AsimovBot> Error: Command “redundant” not recognized. Please review and correct what you’ve written.
[13:42] <My76Strat> nice thank you
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[13:42] <Technical_13> What else does AsimovBot do?
[13:44] <Technical_13> !help
[13:44] -eir:#wikimedia-commons- Available help topics are: help
[13:44] -eir:#wikimedia-commons- For bantracker documentation see http://freenode.net/eir.shtml
[13:44] <FastLizard4> Ow.
[13:44] <Technical_13> Help is stalkword?
[13:46] <FastLizard4> No, didn't you see eir /notice the channel?
[13:46] <Technical_13> FastLizard4: do you know what else AsimovBot does?
[13:47] <FastLizard4> I've no idea what AsimovBot is, sorry
[13:47] <FastLizard4> I mean, I see it's a bot here
[13:47] <Technical_13> Yeah, I saw it. Figured it was result of !help
[13:47] <FastLizard4> But beyond that fact, /me knows nothing
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[13:47] <bawolff> presumably it predates wm-bot
[13:47] <bawolff> wm-bot seems to get pushed into channels where its not really needed
[13:48] <Technical_13> wm-bot: not needed?! :0
[13:48] <Technical_13> bawolff: what you smoking!
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[14:01] <Nemo_bis> pleclown: it's always amusing how the useless self-made photos uploaded to Commons get used en mass rather quickly :)
[14:02] <darkweasel> you mean like that xilography (if that's the right word in english) of edward snowden?
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[14:02] <Nemo_bis> probably not
[14:02] <darkweasel> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edward_Snowden_%22Xilograf%C3%ADa%22.jpg
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[14:03] <darkweasel> it was put on even more wikipedias, including eo: where i saw it
[14:03] <darkweasel> (and removed it)
[14:04] <Nemo_bis> so what is wm-bot doing here
[14:04] <Nemo_bis> !
[14:04] <Nemo_bis> !!
[14:04] <bawolff> !!!
[14:04] <darkweasel> C-C-COMBOBREAKER
[14:04] <Nemo_bis> ah, good, it doesn't whine about exclamation marks any longer
[14:04] <Nemo_bis> I hate bot style-policing
[14:05] <Nemo_bis> bawolff: how many days left before the dark day your contract ends?
[14:05] <bawolff> 9 days
[14:05] <Nemo_bis> aww
[14:05] <bawolff> ends on august 30
[14:06] <bawolff> Obviously though I'll still be around in a volunteer capacity
[14:06] <Nemo_bis> http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-commons-admin/
[14:06] <Nemo_bis> sure
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[14:07] * bawolff 's been addicted to wikis in one form or another since 2005. I'm sure I'll be continued to be adicted
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[14:10] <Nemo_bis> i just meant dark day for wmf
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[14:13] <mattbuck> darkweasel, DRed
[14:14] <darkweasel> oh. didn't know it was likely to be a copyvio
[14:21] <mattbuck> everything's a copyvio if you try hard enough
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[14:33] <Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sfan00_IMG/Unlikley_Destinations_for_a_photo_trip - How unlikley are some of these?
[14:35] <mattbuck> you want to freeze Johnny Depp?
[14:35] <mattbuck> also I have a photo of Menwith Hill
[14:36] <mattbuck> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mattbuck#Conflict go rip ottava a new one
[14:38] <Qcoder00> There are some typos
[14:38] <Qcoder00> :(
[14:44] <mattbuck> ATTENTION CABAL MEMBERS: OUR SECRET PLAN TO DECRAT RUSSAVIA TO MAINTAIN OUR SECRECY HAS BEEN REVEALED
[14:44] <mattbuck> EVERYONE FOR THEMSELVES
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[14:49] <Fae_look_alike> OMG, I'm going to hide under my desk.
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[15:00] <bawolff> mattbuck: If there was a cabal, i feel like it would be trying to keep russavia cratted
[15:02] <mattbuck> ah, that's just we want you to think
[15:03] <mattbuck> by decratting it seems like we're not all powerful, allowing us to maintain the real power because people believe we're powerless
[15:03] <bawolff> ah. Tricky tricky
[15:03] <mattbuck> we're very clever
[15:04] <mattbuck> unlike louisiana republicans, a greater percentage of whom say Obama was to blame for the botched response to Hurricane Katrina than say George Bush was to blame
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[15:39] <Qcoder00> http://archive.org/details/NSACryptologs - Suitable for Commons?
[15:39] <Qcoder00> (It's a full set of a what appears to be an internal NSA technical journal)
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[15:47] <mattbuck> I guess that counts as pd-usgov
[15:49] <Qcoder00> Som degree of transcription redaction might need to be done as there are some places where the text gives away more than is intended.. (like copyright contents of DOS boot sectors..)
[15:50] <Qcoder00> Not found Issue1 in the scans - but it would be reasonable to start with the oldest item...
[15:50] <bawolff> copyright content of DOS boot sectors?!?
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[15:53] <Qcoder00> One of the articles in an issue has a basic guide to how to do disc sector editing
[15:53] <Qcoder00> It includes a sample boot sector as an example...
[15:53] <Qcoder00> (and I can't be sure it's a 'free' one...
[15:54] <Qcoder00> The problem here is a Commons/Wikisource one... not one of 'secrets'
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[15:56] <Qcoder00> Worth suggesting a WikiProject?
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[15:58] <ebraminio> anyone has any clue about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53184 ?
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[16:00] <bawolff> ebraminio: yeah. I'll write on bug report
[16:02] <ebraminio> bawolff: thank you, hope to be fixed soon
[16:02] <bawolff> hmm, actually the cause I thought it was might not be it
[16:05] <bawolff> I'll have to look into it further
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[16:07] <Qcoder00> Hi Dcoetzee
[16:07] <Qcoder00> Do you know if Wlonka is still active?
[16:07] <Qcoder00> &Elonka?
[16:07] <Qcoder00> *Elonka even?
[16:08] <ebraminio> bawolff: hmm, okay, may is it related to any page inside commons?
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[16:54] <ebraminio> bawolff: I am running this http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MediaWiki_Update_Bot/commonsmwupdate_specific.py for my language
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[17:00] <ebraminio> any bureaucrat here? need a temporary bot flag for user account
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[17:04] <ebraminio> no longer needed :)
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[17:09] <bawolff> ebraminio: for your issue - try looking at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?uploadformstyle=plain&uselang=qqx and anything in brackets like "(ignorewarnings)" make sure that the page mediawiki:ignorewarnings/fafromflickr exists
[17:16] <ebraminio> bawolff: the bot http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Ignorewarnings/fafromflickr&action=history made it
[17:17] <bawolff> oh hmm, sorry I must have made a mistake when looking for it
[17:17] <bawolff> its not in the prefix index search thingy, which is odd
[17:18] <bawolff> I swear those didn't exist when I was checking them
[17:19] <bawolff> nonetheless its still not showing up, which is weird
[17:20] * bawolff has no idea
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[17:25] <ebraminio> bawolff: no problem, thanks for your time :)
[17:25] <bawolff> I'm hoping that maybe it will fix itself after a day or something
[17:26] <bawolff> Someone like nikerabbit might know
[17:28] <ebraminio> bawolff: Yes I am aware of that, for example this http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Upload-permitted/zhfromflickr applied after two days
[17:28] <ebraminio> but you know... i hope a less hackish solution for it also
[17:29] <bawolff> uploadwizard campaigns maybe (I know nothing about that feature, so that might be a stupid suggestion)
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Session Start: Wed Aug 21 18:45:15 2013
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[18:48] * Topic is 'Wikimedia Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org | Status: See http://status.wikimedia.org | https://twitter.com/wikicommons | For URGENT admin help, say "!admin@commons + your request" | Admin channel: #wikimedia-commons-admin | Vandalism: #cvn-commons and #cvn-commons-uploads | Commons-l: http://bit.ly/commonsMonth'
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[23:52] <mattbuck> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mattbuck#Conflict
[23:52] <mattbuck> SOMEONE
[23:52] <mattbuck> please go and smack that troll
[23:53] <mattbuck> apparently quoting policy on my talk page is now considered being disruptive
[23:55] <mattbuck> that wasn't a rhetorical request
[23:55] <mattbuck> I could really do with someone's help
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00:57 * Aranda56 waves at Swob quiet day today
00:58 < Aranda56> almost every other room is active except this
00:58 < Swob> wikiovyage isnt
00:59 < Aranda56> well most others are active
00:59 < Aranda56> #wikipedia-en-admins has been non-stop chatter
01:00 < git> i'm going to assume https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swagg_Movment is a copy/paste from another deleted article
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01:02 < Swob> judging by the fact that the spelling doesnt even match the name of the band
01:02 < Swob> i'd say it's either that or there is a new blacklist rule blocking "swag"
01:02 < git> salted page?
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01:02 < git> salted page.
01:02 < Swob> i love the first sentencei n the history section
01:02 < git> apparently banned user, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swag_Movment
01:03 < Swob> wow thats the best article ever
01:03 < Swob> its just the same giant unreadable paragraph over and over
01:04 < Swob> oh yeah and it has a protection template on it even though it's a new page
01:05 < Swob> that's a 100% sure sign that it's a copypaste
01:05 < git> is it of that salted page?
01:06 < NotASpy> wonder where the copy/paste came from, given the article has been gone for 6 months.
01:06 < Swob> i didnt even check tbh
01:06 < Swob> the first sentence or two matched
01:06 < Swob> the rest was just the same thing repeated about fifty times so it wouldnt really even have to match
01:06 < Swob> what's for sure is that it's about the same band
01:07 < Swob> and that it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jude_Enemy who's doing the writing
01:07 < NotASpy> yeap, with the same unintelligible content, word for word.
01:08 < Swob> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Jude_Enemy/Archive#02_December_2013
01:08 * git tags
01:08 < git> oh hey i forgot you're an admin :P
01:10 < Swob> NotASpy: well apparently the sockmaster has been pretty busy
01:12 < NotASpy> I'd guess they've got a text copy of the text saved and it's copy-paste time.
01:14 < Aranda56> and of course our new page patrollers are such idiots that they let it slip
01:15 < Swob> it was tagged almost immediately
01:15 < Swob> by someone named Ben Ben
01:16 < Swob> oh wait no
01:16 < Swob> that was the other page
01:16 < Swob> git got it though
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01:19 < Aranda56> Soap blocked User:Ftcgfgfgfghghggh (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite: mirroring block on [[Special:Contributions/Dkdksk]]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:log/block :o
01:19 < Swob> yeah
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06:38 < KimiSleep> but then I put my glasses on
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10:31 < darev> Hello!
10:33 < Qcoder00> Greetings human
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12:32 < wikipeden> Im concerned that i'm voting delete to often on AFD
12:32 < T13|needsCoffee> lol
12:33 < T13|needsCoffee> Why are you concerned?
12:33 < T13|needsCoffee> Just means you're a deletionist.. :p
12:33 < wikipeden> eh I don't want to be a deletionist
12:34 < wikipeden> I don't want to be a cyberman saying Delete Delete DELETE
12:35 < OnceACaptain> <T13|needsCoffee> cool name
12:36 < T13|needsCoffee> OnceACaptain: where's my coffee?
12:36 < OnceACaptain> i am about to ask you the same
12:36 < OnceACaptain> let's go to starbucks then
12:38 * wikipeden pours OnceACaptain and T13|needsCoffee his patented triple caffeine shot espresso
12:39 < OnceACaptain> ^_^
12:39 < OnceACaptain> thank you
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12:46 < Zhaofeng_Li> enwp 503'ing?
12:46 < Zhaofeng_Li> Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:46:10 GMT
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12:47 < Zhaofeng_Li> fine now
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13:08 < Sir_Designer> KimiSleep that's a ver nice roof. how much did you pay for it?
13:08 < KimiSleep> that is one delayed response..
13:09 < KimiSleep> I'm currently at my parent's house for the weekend
13:09 < KimiSleep> so I haven't a clue
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13:12 < Qcoder00> Any admins around?
13:12 < NotASpy> no
13:13 < Qcoder00> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Ndougal
13:13 < Qcoder00> They might need some help wioth copyright issues
13:13 < Sir_Designer> KimiSleep I responded in regulation time, but I just signed on and read through the scrollback…. anyway, please congratulate your parents on the lovely landscaping. I take it you were remareking on the rain?
13:14 < NotASpy> Qcoder00: have you shouted at the user to stop uploading shit from Google Images ?
13:14 < Qcoder00> Not yet
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13:14 < KimiSleep> Yes, I was sure it snow before I put on my glasses
13:14 < Qcoder00> I just tag for F11
13:14 < KimiSleep> I was sorely disappoint, I haven't seen snow in years, see
13:15 < KimiSleep> perhaps ten years now
13:15 < Sir_Designer> probably need to go to Lebanon mountains, the closest snow to you.
13:15 < KimiSleep> There's far closer today
13:15 < wikipeden> In west michigan the site of no snow is rare
13:16 < Sir_Designer> wikipeden that is called lake effect, and explains your blueberry crop on the thin strip around the lake south of where you are
13:16 < Qcoder00> And I still get people telling me it doesn't snow in Israwl
13:16 < Qcoder00> *Israel
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13:17 < Qcoder00> (or indeed that it doesn't snow in Afghanistan)
13:17 < Sir_Designer> qc now, no one remotely knowledgable in geography would make such a claim for Afghanistan
13:18 < Qcoder00> I've met some really stupid people though
13:18 < Sir_Designer> perhaps they were genuinely confusing one US military theater of operations for another. But even in Iraq there is ample snow in Kurdistan
13:19 < Qcoder00> I also had someoen tell me to fly to Tokyo, you had to go via New York...
13:19 < Qcoder00> ;)
13:19 < Qcoder00> (Ignoring that you cen fly over the pole..)
13:19 < wikipeden> Ironically My grandmother has just told me that all the snow in Moscow has melted
13:20 < Sir_Designer> if you started in KObe, which has no international scheduled traffic, that would be accurate. Although strictly speaking, you could go through Seul.
13:21 < Sir_Designer> the other way around. Tokyo to New York. :)
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13:21 < Qcoder00> London - Wellington though has to go via Riydah and Singapore ...
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13:22 < Sir_Designer> nah, htere are other options. one involves Abu Dabi
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13:22 * Qcoder00 wonders where the remotest International airfield is
13:22 < Sir_Designer> London to anywher usually involves 3-4 distint possibiliites
13:23 < NotASpy> Qcoder00: all gone.
13:23 < Qcoder00> NotASpy:Thanks
13:23 < NotASpy> I checked the first three, all copyright violations, so I've nuked the rest.
13:23 < Qcoder00> Leaving the user a note?
13:25 < Qcoder00> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kim_Young_the_son.jpg ?
13:25 < Qcoder00> Is this mis-titled
13:25 < Qcoder00> ?
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13:29 < NotASpy> not now, Qcoder00
13:29 < Qcoder00> :)
13:30 < NotASpy> I know copyright policy is complicated, but come on people, stop uploading stuff you've found on Google Images.
13:31 < wikipeden> I know who would do that not me for sure
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13:33 < NotASpy> this is classic. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sam_Ham_with_Batman.png
13:33 < NotASpy> This work has been released into the public domain by its author, Bruce Wayne. This applies worldwide.
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13:42 < evilgohan2> unbelievable notaspy
13:43 < evilgohan2> please tell me that's getting speedy'd
13:43 < NotASpy> I suspect it might not stand up in a court of law. It has vanished already, rest assured.
13:44 < NotASpy> always worth a check to see just what other images a user has uploaded, if one's a copyvio.
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13:44 < NotASpy> caught it after seeing what else the user who uploaded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kim_Young_the_son.jpg had added.
13:44 < evilgohan2> without a doubt
13:46 < NotASpy> Google Image search is such a blessing, it used to be difficult to find the original source.
13:50 < evilgohan2> you never used tineye?
13:50 < evilgohan2> http://tineye.com/
13:52 < NotASpy> yeah, find Google Images to be better. There was another one, once upon a time, which was superb, but can't remember what happened or what it was called.
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13:53 < NotASpy> mind you, I speak as someone who still misses lycospro.lycos.com for a search engine.
13:53 < wikipeden> I prefer finder spyder
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13:56 < evilgohan2> Oh okay. I do find myself using Google Images sometimes
13:56 < evilgohan2> admittedly, more so than TinEye
13:57 < NotASpy> Google Image match doesn't work on my phone, so I use TinEye there.
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13:59 < Sir_Designer> NotASpy this is interesting. then again, not for me, yet, as I lack any 802.11ac broadcasters, http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/13/bearextender-turbo/
14:00 < NotASpy> dunno what my router does, but I've no Wi-Fi issues these days.
14:01 < Sir_Designer> unless you bought it recently, for sure it does n.
14:01 < Sir_Designer> but what i liknked refrofits a whole lotta ppl to ac.
14:02 < Sir_Designer> if they are already equipped or were thinking of getting an ac wifi router
14:04 < Sir_Designer> "An apparent US drone attack killed 15 people at a wedding party in central Yemen yesterday evening after mistaking them for an al-Qaeda convoy." sigh. we do this with some regularity, but usually in Afghanistan. YOu'd think the target ppl would have provided some preventive measures and AI to prevent this.
14:04 < NotASpy> router is a year and a half old, I think.
14:05 < Sir_Designer> what kind do you have?
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14:07 < evilgohan2> YOu'd think the target ppl would have provided some preventive measures and AI to prevent this.
14:07 < evilgohan2> Not trying to be funny
14:08 < evilgohan2> but that was the entire plot to Eagle Eye (movie)
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14:17 < NotASpy> Sir_Designer: aye, now you're asking. It's a Thomson TG585 v8
14:19 < NotASpy> it doesn't do ac.
14:19 < NotASpy> and I've got to run.
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14:53 * Swob now installing Win98 on a virtual machine
14:53 < wikipeden> Hi Swob
14:55 < wikipeden> Why Swob Why
14:55 < Swob> an entire clean install of Win98 with all its applications takes less hard drive space than a lot of individual Win7/Win8 programs these days
14:56 < Swob> i might be able to get a few DOS games to run better than they do in DOSBox, but Im guessing probably not
14:56 < Swob> because the emulated Win98 system will be ridiculously fast
14:57 < wikipeden> But trying to get 98 to rum on VM I hope you like the color blue
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14:57 < Swob> the installation process is going slower than expected
14:57 < Swob> i guess because Im using a real CD instead of an ISO
14:57 < Sir_Designer> I just read that the Queen is displeased because the police has been eating her nuts
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14:58 < Swob> you remember the old MacOS "please insert the disk ______" dialog boxes?
14:58 < Swob> where you could not exit out of it in any way, even if you didnt have the disk?
14:59 < Swob> i.e. no cancel button
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15:00 < Sir_Designer> oh yes. the machine was waiting to complete an address reference, and would not take no for an answer.
15:01 < darev> Hello!
15:01 < Sir_Designer> darev gutten gutten, darev.
15:02 < Swob> whether i continue using the Win98 shell, i guess, is gonna depend a lot on what i can do with it
15:02 < Swob> if it lets me expand the resolution beyond 640x480 that would be a big help
15:03 < Swob> oh right
15:03 < Swob> i forgot about the license key
15:03 < Swob> i left the CD folder at home
15:04 < Swob> oh well
15:04 < Swob> i think i get like 90 days of evaluation?
15:04 < Sir_Designer> Swob http://hardforum.com/archive/index.php/t-1142682.html this dude got "only 1600x1024" and is complaining, so....
15:04 < Swob> grr
15:04 < Swob> no license key
15:05 < evilgohan2> need a win 98 license key?
15:05 < Swob> i'll come bacxk to it later
15:05 < evilgohan2> I may still have one
15:05 < Sir_Designer> Swob one of those sweet Microsoft-only problems. Never ona mac.
15:05 < Swob> yeah that would be nice but if i remember right there's like 4 different versions of Win98 and each has their own p[attern of license keys
15:06 < evilgohan2> 4.10.1998
15:06 < Sir_Designer> for shame.
15:06 < evilgohan2> and 4.10.2222
15:06 < evilgohan2> 1998 is the original release
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18:42 < wikipeden_> Добрый день
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18:44 < Qcoder00> ;)
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19:02 < Demiurge1000> I would counsel you to avoid cheap imitation potatoes. Accept only the real thing. They are tasty, filling, and the skins have some useful vitamins.
19:03 < Qcoder00> Erm - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Three_level_system.svg
19:03 < Qcoder00> Did the render thingy screw this up?
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19:05 < NotASpy> dunno, but it's broken.
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19:14 < ChrisGualtieri> Gah... I hit the spam limit filter
19:14 < Demiurge1000> I wonder if being the person who invented ducks is sufficient for notability on its own, without any other achievements.
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20:07 < Sir_Designer> NotASpy https://www.listia.com/auction/13830510-50-groszy-coin-poland-1973-note-the
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20:13 < Sir_Designer> Demiurge1000 without ducks, there would be no eiderdown, and without that, there would be no Canada Goose parkas for the Chinese webpoets to hail, counterfeit and peddle as the genuine article only at 63% off.
20:14 < Demiurge1000> No shortage of Canada Geese round here.
20:14 < Sir_Designer> Demiurge1000 http://www.listia.com/auction/13788485-custom-designed-professionally-printed-4
20:14 < Demiurge1000> Do they counterfeit potatoes as well?
20:14 < Sir_Designer> on the backs of fashionable folks as well, or only the hissing of winter lawn type thing?
20:15 < Demiurge1000> There are no fashionable folks round here.
20:15 < Demiurge1000> There will be no jobs for humans in the future!
20:16 < Sir_Designer> it is conceivable that the anorak executed as Canada Goose parka may be fancied by the not so fashionable. WHo knows.
20:16 < Demiurge1000> I know nothing of these early 70's sitcoms of which you speak!
20:16 < Demiurge1000> I think I might have caught something off that Jubo guy
20:16 < Sir_Designer> no sitomes to speak of. The counterfeiting of the Canada Goose brand apparel is endemic and runs into millions of dollars….
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20:19 < killiondude> wikipedians
20:19 < killiondude> hear me roar
20:19 < harej> hi killy
20:20 < killiondude> hi harejian
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20:22 < Sir_Designer> killiondude are you quoting/implying the old Helen Reddy song?
20:23 < Sir_Designer> "I am woman, hear me roar" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu4xpDuf84A
20:24 < killiondude> yes, yes i am
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