User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2015-June

Session Start: Sat Jun 13 03:58:46 2015
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[03:58] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[03:58] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia | Status: Up - http://status.wikimedia.org/ | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Need a chanop? Ask here or in #wikimedia-ops | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request>; for revdel, /join #wikipedia-en-revdel | No public logging | SUL finalization complete. Please check https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth for the status of your account�'
�03[03:58] * Set by Glaisher!Philon@wikimedia/Glaisher on Tue Jun 09 10:07:33 2015
[03:58] #wikipedia-en url is https://en.wikipedia.org/
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[04:18] <{Soap}> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Failed_state_index_2013.svg
[04:21] <{Soap}> Finland is the paradise of the world
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[04:23] <{Soap}> Japan seems to have declined in 2009 and not yet recovered
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[04:27] <{Soap}> wiw the United States is actually a first world country
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[04:27] <{Soap}> usually groups like that consider the United States ot basically be a third world country with a lot of money
[04:28] <{Soap}> o nthe other hand Brazil is tied with the US, as is much of eastern Europe so not such an excluse club
[04:30] <{Soap}> wow. spammers are impersonating admins now
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[04:33] <{Soap}> whoa gooogle maps embraces non-mercator projections!!!!!!!
[04:34] <{Soap}> https://www.google.com/maps/place/0%C2%B000'00.0%22N+0%C2%B000'00.0%22E/@22.5720072,-95.9672701,7324516m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0?hl=en
[04:34] <{Soap}> thats a humongous change
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[04:37] <{Soap}> still Mercator-only for the political map though
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[04:41] <{soap|bed}> (for anyone wondering: no i dont talk only on this room, im on a bunch of others, so lack or response here isnt that bad)
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[04:42] <{soap|bed}> besides i'lkl probably be here for naother 3 hours anyway
[04:43] <comets> O__________O
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[04:44] <comets> thus why i come rarely on IRC now..no one talks :/
[04:44] <{soap|bed}> hi comets
[04:44] <comets> o/
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[05:06] <Bsadowski1> comets
[05:06] <Bsadowski1> you just need to be in an active channel
[05:06] <Bsadowski1> or server
[05:09] <comets> u mean #wikipedia-en-admins ? :P
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[05:33] <L235> #wikipedia-en-admins sounds a lot more active than #wikimedia-admin
[05:38] <RegistryKey> likely because cross-coordination is less common than strictly internal enwiki admin activities
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[06:16] <Dustin_> Sorry, I leave whenever my computer sleeps. Goodnight anyway
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[08:32] <Oshwah> Hi everyone!
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[08:47] <RegistryKey> Hai Oshwah
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[08:47] <Oshwah> Hi, RegistryKey.
[08:47] <Oshwah> How are you?
[08:48] <RegistryKey> Good, just saw something I thought I'd never see, heh
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[08:48] <RegistryKey> brand new user with no edits tossed up a RfB
[08:48] <Oshwah> APPROVE!
[08:48] <Oshwah> :-P
[08:49] <RegistryKey> heh...plus they didn't even point it back to themselves, pointed it to a non-existant typo account.
[08:49] <Oshwah> He's experienced for sure. Support! :-P
[08:49] <RegistryKey> oh ya man
[08:50] <Oshwah> Funny (sort of) coincidence... I was just browsing RfB's and RfA's... I'm looking at past RFA's that were unsuccessful. I'm thinking about (maybe) putting my name in the hat somewhat soon-ish.
[08:51] <Oshwah> Not sure though. I think I'd do a great job. Most of the questions asked that others answered terribly are easy ones to me. But I'm not sure if I'm ready.
[08:52] <Oshwah> Meh. I dunno.
[08:52] <RegistryKey> I put mine in a bit soon a few months back. Thinking of asking someone to review me / put in a request for me before trying again. Problem is I think I'm too typecast with CVN and such
[08:53] <Oshwah> I do a lot of VAND cleanup, and I think that being in ACC and making the edits to the pages to clarify and improve them would definitely help my candidacy.
[08:54] <Oshwah> It's just one of those things...
[08:54] <Oshwah> It could go either way for me as far as support/opposition.
[08:55] <Oshwah> I do a lot, but is it enough to be considered? Do I even care enough to go through the process? I don't know.
[08:55] <Oshwah> Oh well.
[08:56] <Oshwah> XD
[08:57] <RegistryKey> best way to learn where you can improve is to submit or at least ask someone who's listed to review your history. I'm in the same boat as you, I'm not much for content creation....call it too done with research papers from college...but I do have an interest in smooshing vandalism and making accounts and helping answer questions from new folks as I can
[08:58] <Oshwah> Wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe I will.
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[09:14] <Oshwah> Windows Server 2003 has about 30 days until it goes unsupported. For those who are running that 12-year-old software, better think about upgrading :-P
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[09:44] <RegistryKey> I'm already being pestered by upgrade opportunities for Windows 10 heh
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[11:32] <comets> hope no one donates to WMF this year...or they will hire more incompetent staff..
[11:33] <Bsadowski1> Comets...
[11:33] <Bsadowski1> :s
[11:33] <Bsadowski1> What do you mean?
[11:33] <comets> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#HTTPS_by_default
[11:34] <comets> staff Bsadowski1 , not volunteer stewards, who are awesome ;)
[11:37] <comets> slow, broken cache, broken scripts, no history....what use is https? :/
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[11:39] <Bsadowski1> I don't have any issues.
[11:39] <Bsadowski1> What do you mean "no history"?
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[11:40] <Bsadowski1> You have no history because of the protocol change. What's he talking about?
[11:40] <Bsadowski1> Not an issue really.
[11:40] <Bsadowski1> Your browser can't tell the difference that it's the same site.
[11:40] <Bsadowski1> (Wikipedia)
[11:40] <Bsadowski1> All it knows is the address, comets.
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[11:43] <comets> it doesn't save history.. this re-caches every time you load...
[11:43] <Bsadowski1> And that could be if you have Internet Explorer set to "Do not save encrypted pages to disk"
[11:44] <comets> who uses IE anymore?
[11:44] <Bsadowski1> I know :P
[11:44] <Bsadowski1> Comets, what are you talking about? Re-cache?
[11:44] <comets> its the most "insecure" browser in history :P
[11:45] <Bsadowski1> I can see my pages fine.
[11:45] <comets> the day i dumped it, never got a computer virus lol..and i'm still on vista :P
[11:45] <Bsadowski1> Ew, Vista.
[11:45] <Bsadowski1> Windows 7, for the win!
[11:45] <comets> it can handle 1.2gb RAM, win7 can't :(
[11:45] <Bsadowski1> 1.2 GB?
[11:45] <Bsadowski1> Ew
[11:45] <Bsadowski1> Get a new PC. :D
[11:46] <Bsadowski1> It's worth it.
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[11:47] <comets> has worked for me for 9 years :P why change something not broken :P
[11:59] <Bsadowski1> Lol ^
[11:59] <Bsadowski1> I love that Dirty Potter series
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[12:00] <Bsadowski1> http://abcnews.go.com/US/gunmen-open-fire-officers-dallas-police-headquarters/story?id=31739452
[12:00] <Bsadowski1> :O
[12:01] <Bsadowski1> comets ^
[12:01] <Bsadowski1> And what do you know, Dallas police department has the most listeners on Broadcastify
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[12:02] <comets> lol someone wanted to be "an hero" lol
[12:02] <comets> 4chan lingo :P
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[14:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Bsadowski1 hmm
[14:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> arent stewards paid in stew?
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[14:04] <heyall> hello!
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[16:50] <lvoov> hello
[16:50] <lvoov> im new to IRC, and i just wanned to test the chat
[16:50] <lvoov> can sbdy respond pls
[16:51] <Glaisher> lvoov: Hi.
[16:51] <Glaisher> It works!
[16:51] <lvoov> praise the lord :) it works
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[16:51] <Amortias> evening
[16:51] <lvoov> hey Glaisher
[16:52] <Glaisher> hey lvoov
[16:52] <lvoov> evenin Amortias
[16:52] <lvoov> so is this some kinda Wikipedia editors or devs chatroom?
[16:52] <Amortias> editors mostly
[16:52] <Amortias> some admins
[16:52] <lvoov> cool
[16:52] <Amortias> though admins are editors as well so...
[16:53] <lvoov> i might try to talk to ya guys later.. cuz i was thinking bout correcting some wikis articles in the past
[16:53] <lvoov> anyway.. im tryin to use IRC client for Twitch.tv
[16:54] <lvoov> and..
[16:54] <Amortias> not sure if theres a twitch tv channel on irc
[16:54] <lvoov> im glad the irc client of mine finnaly worcs
[16:54] <lvoov> thx for help guys
[16:55] <lvoov> im out readin more.. how to set everything up
[16:55] <lvoov> have a good one
[16:55] <lvoov> peace
[16:56] <Amortias> cya
[16:59] <{soap|bed}> Twitch.tv *is* IRC
[16:59] <{soap|bed}> its just very cleverly masked
[16:59] <{soap|bed}> oh, i see what youre saying. youre saying there may be a twitch-specific help channel
[17:00] <Amortias> yeah that
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[17:19] <{soap|bed}> eurodyne has been gone for a while
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[18:03] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=666666666
[18:03] <Amortias> ?
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[18:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=42
[18:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=666 = Wikipedia:User preferences help
[18:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=69 - Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers
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[18:53] <darev> Hello!
[18:53] <Amortias> evening
[18:54] <darev> hi, Amortias
[18:55] <Amortias> looks like its only me any you paying any attention in here
[18:56] <darev> i don't know I've just joined ... ;)
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[18:58] <Amortias> lol o k
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[19:56] <Qcoder00> France looks set to make "Right to Vanish"  Global for French Citizens
[19:56] <Qcoder00> :(
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[20:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think mr Khan would use that
[20:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> KHAAAAAN!
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[20:57] <SigmaWP> https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/39qe8w/is_wikipedia_a_proof_that_socialism_works/
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[21:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SigmaWP wikipedia is only proof that if you make a website anyone can edit you will get penises
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[21:21] <Qcoder00> SigmaWP: We don't own the means of prodcution
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[21:21] <Qcoder00> I mean there isn't a Wikimedia brand open CPU yet
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[21:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its probably because the team would fight over the naming of the thing and have no time developing it
[21:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thats how our community workjs, right?
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[21:47] <Suomi> Is it possible to merge accounts ?
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[21:47] <jubo2> I have one account with few hundred edits and one with 6 and I would like to be the 6 edit account
[21:48] <jubo2> but without losing the editcountatis anti-substances ?
[21:48] <jubo2> I shoulda read the instructions early enough to not register and edit under then new desired nick
[21:50] <jubo2> I bez the writer of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Juxo/Draftspace/Reverse_trading
[21:50] <jubo2> and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Juxo/Draftspace/Powder_bathing
[21:50] <jubo2> but I'd like my username to be juboxi like it is in other places / machines
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[21:51] <jubo2> if can into help. please inform
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[22:17] <Steven_Zhang> morning
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[00:36] <OlEnglish> hello everyone
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[01:18] <SigmaWP> hwæt
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[01:49] <Steven_Zhang> Tiptoety :D
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[01:49] <Tiptoety> What's up?
[01:50] <Steven_Zhang> just saying hello
[01:50] <Steven_Zhang> remember ryry5? :P
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[01:51] <Tiptoety> Unfortunately, yes.
[01:52] <Steven_Zhang> heh
[01:52] <Tiptoety> Hm..wait.
[01:52] <Steven_Zhang> yeh?
[01:52] <Tiptoety> I looked at his Userpage. Maybe he wasn't who I was thinking of.
[01:53] <Steven_Zhang> he changed
[01:53] <Tiptoety> Was there drama before he left?
[01:53] <Steven_Zhang> and left
[01:53] <Steven_Zhang> nah
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[01:55] <Tiptoety> I must be thinking of someone different.
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[01:56] <Steven_Zhang> he started adopting people when he was like 1 mth ago
[01:56] <Steven_Zhang> 1 mth into editing
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[02:38] <git> anyone here good at econ?
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[02:38] <git> because i have a stupid question that's been bothering me lately and i can't find a good answer
[02:38] <git> mostly because i can't put it into googlable words
[02:39] <MarxLenin99> git what is your question
[02:39] <git> if you write a check to someone, and it's not immediately cashed, did you technically create money?
[02:39] <MarxLenin99> idk
[02:40] <git> i'm thinking no because it's useless until you cash it, and that money still exists in the other person's bank account
[02:40] <MarxLenin99> yeah, and you technically can't create
[02:40] <MarxLenin99>  money
[02:41] <git> but what if you cash it and it just takes a little before the bank takes it out of your account
[02:41] <MarxLenin99> I have no idea
[02:41] <git> loans create money
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[02:42] <MarxLenin99> not really your taking money out of somebody's account and paying back in increments
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[02:44] <Ironholds> git, well, a cheque is just a promissory note.
[02:44] <SigmaWP> It's a promise that you... yeah
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[02:44] <Ironholds> funny story; money is ALSO a promissory note
[02:44] <Ironholds> it's just backed by someone different
[02:44] <SigmaWP> True!
[02:44] <git> Ironholds: yeah, i realized that after i asked
[02:45] <Ironholds> git, my advice is not to think about money too hard
[02:45] <MarxLenin99> money is just paper
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[02:45] <MarxLenin99> that stands for something else
[02:45] <Ironholds> because otherwise you realise everything is an utterly arbitrary shared delusion that ceases to function as soon as people stop BELIEVING it CAN function and then you have an existential crisis
[02:45] <MarxLenin99> true
[02:45] <Ironholds> MarxLenin99, well, these days with the decline of the gold standard mostly it just stands for money
[02:46] <MarxLenin99> yeah I guess your right
[02:50] <MarxLenin99> oh well money is a problem anyway
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[02:51] <git> money is weird because the only reason it works anymore is because people trust it
[02:51] <MarxLenin99> yep
[02:51] <git> and agree that it should work
[02:52] <MarxLenin99> I just hate the idea that people can get ahead and others can't
[02:52] <SigmaWP> You can go back to trading x wheat for y silk
[02:52] <git> i can see that by your username
[02:52] <MarxLenin99> yeah
[02:52] <git> maybe you and SigmaWP should get together
[02:52] <MarxLenin99> yeah we kinda did already
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[02:57] <MarxLenin99> oh well has anyone read the Tibetan Book of The Dead
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[06:26] <darev> Hello!
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[06:27] <{soap|bed}> youre up early
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[09:31] <OlEnglish> sup people
[09:31] <OlEnglish> I'm delighted that after 10 years on Wikipedia I'm still finding areas of projectspace I never even knew existed
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[09:32] <OlEnglish> just ask Azatoth
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[11:06] <darev> Hello1
[11:06] <darev> Hello!
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[11:17] <Qcoder00> The darker side of Snowden's leaks - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33125068
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[12:01] <comets> ICC targeting Bashir now...
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[13:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 darker?
[13:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> his name is SNOWden
[13:00] <Qcoder00> Yeah but he ain't white as
[13:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> to be fair, its not his fault.
[13:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> He asked what information shouldnt be relevaled and US gov didnt respond
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[13:11] <Qcoder00> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3123142/30-000-teach-pupils-use-Wikipedia-Fury-council-pays-expert-children-critically-engage-online-encyclopaedia.html
[13:12] <Qcoder00> And you trust the Daily Mail not be ill informed>
[13:12] <Qcoder00> ?
[13:12] <Qcoder00> XD
[13:13] <Qcoder00> At least Wikipedia is transparent that it's wrong
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[13:17] <Qcoder00> The CRE also seems to be somewhat conserative in it's approach
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[13:29] <_kmh_> actually wikipedia is becoming more and more popular with university classes
[13:29] <_kmh_> in particular in the natural sciences
[13:30] <_kmh_> if the article is "good enough" lectures often just link to rather than compiling their own description
[13:34] <Qcoder00> But Wikipedia is definitly wron in some areas
[13:34] <Qcoder00> where you would need an expert to say so
[13:34] <Qcoder00> *wrong
[13:35] <Qcoder00> I note the Daily Mail article also mentions the Schapps row
[13:35] <Qcoder00> :(
[13:36] <Qcoder00> The recent rulign demonstrates Wikipedia DOES have sanctions for those that exceed the boundaries... which is not something that can be said for some media sources ( like the Daily Mail... cough cough)
[13:38] <Qcoder00> I'ms lightly concerned the counil paid someone to do this when Wikimedia UK could perhaps have provided speakers ....
[13:38] <Qcoder00> Presumably as it's schools they needed someone that had the DBS paperwork ....
[13:45] <Qcoder00> Ironholds: You about?
[13:45] <Ironholds> Qcoder00, yep
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[13:48] <Ironholds> Qcoder00, what's up?
[13:57] <Qcoder00> had much chance to do actual content development recently?
[13:57] <Qcoder00> as opposed to "making tools"?
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[14:01] <winny> are red links okay in categories?
[14:01] <winny> the WP:Red Link document doesn't appear to cover this
[14:01] <Qcoder00> Depends
[14:01] <Qcoder00> Which Category?
[14:02] <winny> this is what i'm asking in particular https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_computer_hardware_manufacturers&oldid=prev&diff=666755054
[14:02] <foks> how can you have a red link in a category
[14:02] <winny> i intend to author an article for that
[14:02] <foks> oh, in a list
[14:02] <winny> oh sorry
[14:02] <winny> yeah bad terminology on my part
[14:02] <foks> I'd probably leave it until you actually write the article
[14:03] <foks> though I dunno what he's doing
[14:03] <foks> Since [[Azza]] directs to something totally different
[14:03] <winny> yeah, that would also avoid possible conflict
[14:03] <winny> maybe i should just remove the link
[14:04] <winny> also another question, is there a vpn vetted by wikipedia
[14:04] <_kmh_> how do you a red link into a category?
[14:04] <foks> winny, I've removed it
[14:04] <foks> also, no
[14:04] <winny> ah
[14:04] <foks> _kmh_, you can't
[14:04] <winny> such a bummer
[14:04] <_kmh_> exactly
[14:04] <winny> anyway thanks for the advice
[14:04] <foks> like, it doesn't make sense
[14:05] <winny> i should be frustrated with sock puppets
[14:05] <_kmh_> red link category is non existence
[14:05] <_kmh_> #and it does show up when you browse the content of the category
[14:05] <_kmh_> if i'm not mistaken
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[14:07] <winny> is it possible to edit wikipedia over a paid vpn?
[14:07] <winny> i would use my personal vps but it appears it's categorized as a web host and not for editing
[14:09] <winny> i've kind of gone over this before, and i've also read other user's requests to unban certain web host IP's and it never appears to work in the favor of the contributor
[14:09] <winny> so i think i'm missing something here
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[14:10] <Qcoder00> winny:  You can (provided you aren't blocked) edit from any reasonable location
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[14:11] <winny> yeah, very true
[14:11] <Qcoder00> Provided you are honest about who you are
[14:12] <Qcoder00> For some people ( mostly academic/coproate users) eidting from a VPN is necessary
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[14:12] <comets> Game of Thrones finale tonight!! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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[14:19] <_kmh_> wooohhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[14:20] <comets> when is it? i can't tell time :(
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[15:10] <{soap|bed}> New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie Says Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Know Concerns of 'Real Americans'
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[15:29] <comets> atleast hillary's parents chose her name wisely..
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[15:43] <{soap|bed}> traffic ham
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[16:13] <Qcoder00> I'm tired
[16:14] <Qcoder00> And Commons doesn't accept "joke" images
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[16:20] <comets> because commons is a joke ....overkill :D
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[16:22] <{Soap}> maybe they dont, but it takes a deletion discussion to get rid of them
[16:22] <{Soap}> which can take months
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[16:22] <{Soap}> Im sure thats noprmal on commons, but is painfully slow by enwiki standards where we're used to 7 days
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[16:27] <Qcoder00> Actually it's less of a joke...
[16:27] <Qcoder00> I'd designed a spoof sign (in the style of the ISO 1070 ones) , which was a "maid" pictogram with a worded caption "Wear approaved uniform"
[16:28] <Qcoder00> It was done as a joke...
[16:28] <Qcoder00> :(
[16:28] <Qcoder00> But looked like it might actually be useful
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[16:29] <{Soap}> and it got deleted
[16:30] <Qcoder00> Nope
[16:30] <Qcoder00> HAven't uploaded yet
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[16:51] <DustinVS> Lately, I've noticed multiple of IP editors proposing that a variety of different administrators be desysopped or be prevented from being desysopped.
[16:52] <DustinVS> Just seems like more than usual, but maybe it's just m
[16:52] <DustinVS> *just me
[16:52] <{Soap}> hmm. really?
[16:53] <{Soap}> i've seen IP editors disrupting RFA's.  I wonder if it's related
[16:58] <DustinVS> Yes
[16:58] <DustinVS> One IP tried to prevent the resysop of Kevin Gorman, and another is currently trying to get Future Perfect at Sunrise desysopped
[16:59] <DustinVS> There are others, but those are the ones I can remember at the moment
[16:59] <DustinVS> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Proposed_desysop_of_Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise
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[17:00] <DustinVS> After the IP started that thread, other editors suggested blocking or nuking the IP
[17:00] <Qcoder00> Have these IP's been blocked before?
[17:00] <Qcoder00> (I.e Disgruntleed editor syndrome)
[17:00] <DustinVS> Well, the Fut. Perfect desysop one is dynamic I think...
[17:01] <{Soap}> oh dont worry
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[17:01] <DustinVS> And has not been blocked in the past
[17:01] <DustinVS> Okay
[17:01] <{Soap}> someone tries to get Future Perfect desysopped every month.  I agree its quite possibly the same person, or at best, a few people who keep changing IPs
[17:02] <{Soap}> It wont happen
[17:02] <DustinVS> *or be prevented from being ''resysopped'' is what my earlier comment should have said
[17:02] <DustinVS> Major difference
[17:02] <Qcoder00> DustinVS:  Sock with multiple IP's ?
[17:02] <{Soap}> also someone was vandalizing earlier
[17:03] <Qcoder00> Not a sock farm as such... more a sock-pra...
[17:03] <DustinVS> Someone is always vandalizing
[17:03] <DustinVS> Somehwere
[17:03] <Qcoder00> Until they get caught
[17:03] <Qcoder00> And they will get caught
[17:03] <Qcoder00> !
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[17:04] <{Soap}> an IP got blocked (later globally blocked) for insulting FPaS, and then five minutes later, "Proposed desysop of Future Perfect at Sunrise" appears on ANI.  Really, dont even take it seriously
[17:04] <Qcoder00> <does shadow/OTR style  laugh>
[17:04] <DustinVS> :)
[17:04] <DustinVS> Well, that's kind of funny, but it's also a time-waster.
[17:04] <{Soap}> and by "insulting" i mean revdelete worthy, and possibly oversight worthy, stuff
[17:04] <Qcoder00> I doubt the sock's heard of Charlie Drake....
[17:05] <Qcoder00> ;)
[17:06] <DustinVS> I think there was another IP on Jimbo's talk page arguing that some ru-wikipedia editor should be deysopped.
[17:07] <DustinVS> My point is, lots of IPs are out against sysops / users being resysopepd
[17:07] <DustinVS> *resysopped
[17:09] <Ironholds> or a couple of assholes are
[17:09] <Ironholds> which is more probably
[17:09] <Ironholds> *probable
[17:11] <DustinVS> I don't think it's be super-great having to endure random IPs trying to get you desysopped
[17:11] <DustinVS> *it would be
[17:12] <jubo2> "Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one." -- Paleface
[17:12] <{Soap}> and most of them stink
[17:13] <{Soap}> or be prevented from being desysopped. <-- ah so that was a typo then?
[17:13] <Ironholds> Deskanaz, most things on Wikipedia aren't great ;p.
[17:14] <Qcoder00> Wikipedia is not perfect...
[17:14] <Qcoder00> :)
[17:14] <Qcoder00> ROFL
[17:14] <Ironholds> DustinVS, rather
[17:14] <Ironholds> there's worse, to be fair. I got my first death threat /yesterday/ at 5am
[17:14] <Ironholds> 5 hours is a new record, I think
[17:17] <{Soap}> maybe i should starte diting as an IP and see what happens. Probably nothing
[17:17] <{Soap}> because i dont make the sorts of edits that arouse controversy
[17:17] <Ironholds> you edit?
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[17:19] <{Soap}> about half as many edits as you ,it seems
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[17:19] <DustinVS> Is your account at a name I can infer from your IRC nickname?
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[17:21] <NotASpy> editing is overrated
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[17:25] <{Soap}> whoa a weird pink message box flashed on the screen for lioke a tenth of a second
[17:25] <{Soap}> whoa
[17:25] <{Soap}> thats the weirdest error message ever
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[17:26] <Qcoder00> On a website?
[17:26] <{Soap}> oh wait it was just this
[17:26] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:DJ_BRAVO
[17:26] <{Soap}> apparently wikipedia transcludes the talkpage of a page in a pink message box
[17:26] <{Soap}> and then collapses it
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[17:27] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BZSPman
[17:27] <{Soap}> this guy's on a roll today
[17:28] <{Soap}> hes probably just pasting from Uncyclopedia
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[17:30] <{Soap}> hi dustinVS
[17:30] <{Soap}> I am User:Soap
[17:30] <DustinVS> Okay.
[17:30] <DustinVS> My user name should be pretty obvious
[17:31] <DustinVS> It has spaces in it, and periods though
[17:31] <{Soap}> not so obvious then
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[17:31] <DustinVS> Dustin V. S. is my username. That's not much different from DustinVS is it?
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[17:34] <{Soap}> it seems like you do good work
[17:34] <DustinVS> Me?
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[17:34] <DustinVS> I just edit weather and sometimes earthquake stuff, although one of my greatest interests is in history
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[17:39] <{Soap}> and you like hurricanes yeah
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[17:39] <{Soap}> would you consider registering "DustinVS" as a duplicate to make searching easier for those of us who meet you on IRC?
[17:39] <{Soap}> or even not, but just making a redirect
[17:40] <DustinVS> I doubt anybody who isn't trying to impersonate me would register an account with that name, so a redirect would probably be fine
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[17:41] <DustinVS> What I mean is, I don't have to worry abbout a legitimate user registering an account with that name, which would confuse people on IRC.
[17:41] <DustinVS> An impersonator could just be quickly blocked
[17:42] <{Soap}> yeah
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[17:42] <{Soap}> in fact, they might even be prevented from crerating the account. Wikipedia has antispoof things in place, but Im not sure how it treats spaces and punctuation
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[17:54] <elianitha> helloo hola puyho
[17:54] <Amortias> evening
[17:54] <{Soap}> hi canaima
[17:54] <elianitha> soap
[17:55] <elianitha> a,s
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[17:55] <elianitha> et
[17:55] <elianitha> rf
[17:55] <elianitha> fdsvc
[17:55] <elianitha> ścxzlga
[17:56] <elianitha> sdvfgscv ksf
[17:56] <elianitha> srdwbfṕfk< fg
[17:56] <elianitha> +vb
[17:56] <elianitha> FGvkp+
[17:56] <elianitha> ldvr+lw*Rlg4
[17:56] <elianitha> +rl4w+glr4b+
[17:56] <elianitha> 3w
[17:56] <elianitha> rl
[17:56] <elianitha> rĺf+vld
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[17:56] <elianitha> gg
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[17:57] <foks> ok
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[17:59] <DustinVS> What
[18:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Philae is alive!
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[18:15] <[Crow]> !admin Someone block QualityEncyclopedia asap: page move vandal going nuts
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[18:15] <Shirik> already blocked
[18:16] <[Crow]> Ty
[18:16] <[Crow]> 24-hours? O_o
[18:16] <git> "on wheels"
[18:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> page move vandals still exist?
[18:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> What? Even on wheels?
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[18:17] <[Crow]> School is officially out I guess :P
[18:18] <git> i thought willy on wheels gave up like 5 years ago. probs an impersonator
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[18:18] <[Crow]> yeah
[18:18] <DustinVS> what the heck "H a h g g e h r ?"
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[18:18] <DustinVS> That vandal moved a page to that title
[18:18] <foks> yes, that's a grawp thing
[18:18] <foks> wow, it's like 2008 all over again
[18:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it was old in 2008
[18:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it feels more like 2005
[18:20] <[Crow]> Sounds like it was an... interesting... time
[18:20] <DustinVS> Alot of bad redirects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/QualityEncyclopedia
[18:20] <Amortias> they being cleared up as we speak
[18:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not really
[18:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it was meh
[18:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> page move vandalism lacks imagination
[18:20] <[Crow]> indeed
[18:21] <{Soap}> hi [Crow]
[18:21] <{Soap}> i like your IRC nick. we can be bracket buddies
[18:21] <[Crow]> I usually only see that on one page, as an attack specifically on that subject
[18:21] <[Crow]> :-)
[18:21] <[Crow]> Well, unbracketed crow was taken :)
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[18:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> If only you were [[Crow]]
[18:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> then I could click on it
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[18:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :D
[18:22] <[[Crow]]> :-)
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[18:23] <Amortias> ntb mass page move vandalism cleared up in under 10 minutes
[18:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> achievement unlocked
[18:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> secret level revealed
[18:25] <Amortias> Conratulations you have been promoted to bureaucrat welcome to a whole different load of crap to deal with
[18:25] <[Crow]> Woot
[18:25] <{Soap}> he survived for six minutes before being blocked, yeah
[18:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh?
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[18:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> bureaucrats dont have a purpose to exist anymore
[18:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> since they dont even rename accounts
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[18:27] <Amortias> Giving admin rights
[18:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we have global admins
[18:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and stewards
[18:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> how often do we have admin promotions anyways
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[18:30] <[Crow]> Speaking of global admins, any here? One of enwiki's sockmasters has taken his articles in english to a non-english language wiki, which is generally a csd yes?
[18:30] <[Crow]> Articles not in the local language, I mean
[18:30] <{Soap}> definitely
[18:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> naturally
[18:30] <{Soap}> {{delete}} works on any wiki, though, if you cant find an admin on that wiki available
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[18:30] <[Crow]> That wiki has no admins
[18:31] <{Soap}> ???
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[18:31] <{Soap}> curious
[18:31] <{Soap}> where is it?
[18:31] <[Crow]> at least none who have taken any admin actions in a year
[18:31] <[Crow]> stwiki
[18:31] <{Soap}> hm
[18:31] <[Crow]> st.wikipedia.org
[18:31] <[Crow]> I have a search script for the socky's titles, and they're flagging on stwiki now, in english
[18:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> st.wiki.. stiki?
[18:32] <{Soap}> well at least he does seem to live in South Africa, so even though he has zero chance of getting his article up, at least it sort of makes sense
[18:32] <[Crow]> stickiwiki?
[18:33] <[Crow]> article are there, and they rank high in google even on st, so the sock's goals are met
[18:33] <foks> get a steward on it
[18:33] <[Crow]> free publicity
[18:34] <{Soap}> yeah a steward or at least a global sysop
[18:34] <{Soap}> there are a couple of global sysops in here right now
[18:34] <{Soap}> dont know if any of them are actually at their computers though
[18:35] <{Soap}> oh wow
[18:35] <{Soap}> never mind, their ranks have been thinned out considerably: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_sysops#Users_with_global_sysop_access
[18:36] <[Crow]> wow
[18:36] <{Soap}> there must be an activity requirement
[18:36] <{Soap}> i figured it was "once a sysop, always a sysop" as is the case on enwiki
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[18:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no
[18:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a timer is useful
[18:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> use it or lose it.
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[18:47] <{Soap}> so who's up for running a 135 mile marathon in Death Valley in July?
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[18:47] <Shirik> I'm operating a sag wagon for a 100 mile bike ride in 2 weeks
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[18:48] <{Soap}> http://www.badwater.com/event/badwater-135/
[18:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Objection!
[18:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I object your 135 mile marathon
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[18:52] <{Soap}> 100 mile bikde ride hmm
[18:52] <{Soap}> i actually have no idea how long that would take
[18:53] <{Soap}> i guess basically a day or so>
[18:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> probably 2 days
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[19:08] <{Soap}> following up on something from earlier, it seems st.wiki is effectively an English speaking wiki
[19:08] <{Soap}> sure the signature says "Phupjane" instead of "June", but all the messages are in English: https://st.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Potjho_e_kopano
[19:09] <{Soap}> so Im going to say the page should stay after all
[19:09] <{Soap}> since its only in  his userspace
[19:09] <{Soap}> unless he made something else that got deleted
[19:10] <{Soap}> there's also this, which is in, of all things, *Finnish*
[19:10] <{Soap}> https://st.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteoroloji
[19:13] <DustinVS> Meteorology?
[19:14] <{Soap}> meteorology in Finnish on a wiki for a language native to S Africa
[19:15] <DustinVS> It is unsourced
[19:16] <DustinVS> And it talks about finnish people
[19:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> finnish people are finished
[19:16] <DustinVS> Of, wait, I didn't fully read your comment
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[19:18] <DustinVS> That stuff belongs on fi-wikipedia
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[19:19] <{Soap}> i think Finnish is a beautiful language
[19:20] <{Soap}> it actually distracted me from trying to figure out what the text was actually about
[19:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> once you finish finnish course, you are finnnished
[19:20] <DustinVS> But it isn't Afrikaans
[19:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Afrikaaans. :p
[19:21] <DustinVS> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaans
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[19:22] <DustinVS> Or whatever that language is
[19:22] <DustinVS> It appears to be afrikaans
[19:22] <{Soap}> afraikaans is okay
[19:23] <DustinVS> but there's also an af-wikipedia...
[19:23] <DustinVS> So what the heck is this?
[19:23] <{Soap}> hmm?
[19:23] <{Soap}> not sure what you mean
[19:23] <DustinVS> The st-wikipedia main page appears to be in Afrikaans
[19:23] <DustinVS> But the Afrikaans Wikipedia is af-wikipedia
[19:23] <{Soap}> no, its in Sesotho
[19:24] <{Soap}> unless you somehow set your global language settings to show Afrikaans or something
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[19:25] <DustinVS> I went to https://st.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leqephe_la_pele , used Google Translate, and it kind of worked. I checked what language translation it used and it gave me Afrikaans
[19:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why is that surprising?
[19:26] <DustinVS> They both appear to be African languages too
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[19:26] <DustinVS> Maybe they are closely related
[19:27] <DustinVS> There are only 224 articles
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[19:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> well, I have stopped trying to regulate every language edition of wikipedia I do not understand on february 2005
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[19:32] <{Soap}> no Afrikaans is totally different
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[19:36] <DustinVS> I think it was just saying Afrikaans because that was the first language in the list. It was translating from Sesotho.
[19:36] <DustinVS> Coincidentally happened to be another South African language
[19:38] <{Soap}> oh wow
[19:38] <{Soap}> im surprised google translate has Sesotho
[19:38] <Amortias> im supprised when google translate actually translates something tbh
[19:38] <{Soap}> yeah some of its languages are better than others
[19:39] <Qcoder00> Evening
[19:39] <Qcoder00> But Language translate like Yoda East Asian languge translate  hmm?
[19:39] <Qcoder00> BAbel Fish Japanese was notrorius
[19:39] <Qcoder00> *Notorious
[19:40] <DustinVS> It looks better than its ja → en translation.
[19:40] <Qcoder00> That's what I was talking about
[19:40] <Qcoder00> ja-> en
[19:40] <Qcoder00> Soundlike Yoda it did
[19:41] <DustinVS> I copied the unicode arrow from the wikipedia edit bar which I see when I am in edit mode
[19:41] <Qcoder00> Not sure my chat client does unicode
[19:41] <Qcoder00> :(
[19:41] <git> what chat client doesn't do unicode?
[19:42] <DustinVS> Back to the point, I had to translate a few pages to Japanese to English the other day for a typhoon article I was trying to GA so yeah
[19:42] <DustinVS> *from Japanese
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[19:44] <Qcoder00> git: Some ancient ones
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[20:19] <carliitaeliza> Hello
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[20:19] <carliitaeliza> Where I can show a new idea for the wikipedians
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[20:22] <carliitaeliza> ?
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[20:23] <Amortias> est bet is the online village pump
[20:23] <Amortias> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump
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[20:29] <MarxLenin99> has anyone heard a body the Snowden files supposedly getting cracked
[20:29] <MarxLenin99> *about
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[20:31] <MarxLenin99> some people should come to #FOI
[20:36] <MarxLenin99> to discuss freedom of information
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[20:40] <git> Isarra: hi you probably forgot who i am, but do you still have your moldy cacti?
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[20:42] <git> wait it was a palm tree wasn't it
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[20:46] <Suomi> Dr. Suomi will now see you
[20:47] <Suomi> also agreeing with Dr. Osterreich that it is problem mit papa und penis
[20:47] <GorillaWarfare> Excuse me?
[20:48] <Amortias> Im hoping thats misplaced, but im not hopeful
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[21:08] <Dustin__> Test
[21:08] <Amortias> of?
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[21:09] <Dustin__> My connection
[21:09] <Dustin__> It won't let me change my name back to DustinVS for some reason.
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[21:10] <foks> DustinVS, in future: /msg NickServ release
[21:10] <foks> or /ns release for short
[21:10] <DustinVS> What does that do?
[21:10] <foks>  /ns release [nickname] will, assuming you're logged in, release your nickname
[21:10] <DustinVS> Oksy.
[21:10] <foks> long story short it'll allow you to /nick to it.
[21:10] <DustinVS> *Okay.
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[21:38] <MarxLenin99> SigmaWP: are you here?
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[21:39] <git> he mentioned he was going out of town for a few days a while ago
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[21:39] <git> so it might be a while
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[21:40] <Isarra> git: That all died long ago.
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[21:41] <git> Isarra: aw :(
[21:41] <Isarra> Aye.
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[22:53] <Base> hi enwiki guys
[22:54] <k6ka> hello kind stranger
[22:55] <Base> I have found an idiocy in enwiki - where do I report it best? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DYKfile placed on filedescs of files in enwiki even if the file is on Commons
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[22:55] <Base> e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Фото_для.JPG?action=edit
[22:55] <k6ka> try the village pump, maybe? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:VP
[22:56] <Base> ah if there's no more specific place then ok
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[23:03] <NotASpy> Base: that's a 3 year old edit though, and if the image was a DYK image and placed on the Main Page, it should have been uploaded locally
[23:04] <Base> NotASpy: you suggest that an admin deleted local file but not local desc?
[23:05] <Base> a stupid practice of enwiki cloning files just because they want them protected btw
[23:05] <NotASpy> it might not have been uploaded locally either, the creation process is automatic after the image appears on the Main Page
[23:05] <Base> you mean the bot or whatever doing that weird kind of stuff failed uploading for some reason in the case?
[23:06] <NotASpy> that's possible
[23:06] <NotASpy> either WMF fix cascading protecting to extend to Commons images, or Commons unbundled file protection and makes it available to any admin on any other project, or this silly uploading images locally temporarily continues.
[23:07] <Base> "to any admin on any other project" that's definitely not a good idea
[23:08] <Base> admins in small wikis tend to be incompetent and follow no rules (well in small wikis there actually no rules to follow)
[23:09] <NotASpy> some are people who have been banned from bigger projects, would otherwise be unwelcome at Commons etc.
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[23:12] <Base> well actually I think even an admin bot protecting an image on commons temporary while it's on enwiki main page would be better than cloning files. for the cloning of highly used files something can be thought as well. probably requiring a new level of protection on commons (so that only trusted commons users may reupload highly used files or something of the like). The current practice of cloning just makes me sad for being a violation of the first
[23:12] <Base> pillar of WP, ruining sense of Commons and at the same time causes facepalms.
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[23:14] <Base> unrooting such practices that's what would be nice of WMF if it wants to act radically. It's much better than pushing some stupid interface changes or whatever features...
[23:18] <NotASpy> there was a Main Page protection bot at one point, if memory serves, but it would crash and leave the Main Page vulnerable to unprotected images being overwritten with vandalism
[23:19] <NotASpy> generally, vandals will find 3 in 4 unprotected images on the Main Page and vandalise them.
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[23:23] <Base> pff bot crashing does not sound as a valid argument for me
[23:23] <Base> if could be backed by another bot or whatever
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[23:24] <Base> e.g. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bradornis_infuscatus.jpg isn't protected and nobody cares
[23:24] <Base> not a big problem if there are not protected files
[23:25] <Base> ah it's cascade protected
[23:25] <Base> damn when'll they fix the tab title
[23:25] <Base> for cascade protected ones
[23:26] <Base> so the bot actually still runs
[23:26] <NotASpy> yeah, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Auto-protected_files/wikipedia/en does it
[23:28] <Base> wrote about that first descpage in VP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28miscellaneous%29#DYKfile_on_local_file_descs_of_global_files
[23:28] <Base> wonder if I get banned for it)
[23:28] <Base> enwiki's a scary place
[23:28] <Base> too much weird rules
[23:30] <Base> NotASpy: oh I din't know you're a chemist.
�06[23:31] * Base took a look at your UP
[23:31] <Base> what kind of chemistry?
[23:32] <NotASpy> pharmaceuticals, so a bit of biochemistry, organic chemistry and toxicology
[23:32] <Base> oh
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[23:34] <NotASpy> yeah, that's the usual response.
[23:34] <Base> xD
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�06[23:36] * Base 's not too good in all that <s>hexagonology</s>organics
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[23:37] <NotASpy> I'm not brilliant at the organic stuff either, did lots of it, it wasn't my strong point.
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[00:19] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
[00:19] <Base> yo
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[00:36] <PontoCom_BR> Base: hi.
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[00:59] <Qcoder00> NotASpy: Not nesscarily your area... but do you have any idea on how to remove limescale from scrylic surfaces cleanly?
[00:59] <Qcoder00> *acrylic
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[01:01] <nonsenseferret> mild acid - lemon juice? vinegar?
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[01:14] <jorm> hey, can an admin handle this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jorm&diff=666982448&oldid=666960521
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[01:15] <jorm> pls to be semi-protecting my user/talk, etc.
[01:16] <Bsadowski1> jorm, want me to semi perm?
[01:16] <jorm> please.
[01:18] <Bsadowski1> IP blocked.
[01:18] <Bsadowski1> It's a proxy
[01:18] <jorm> of course.  just another gamergater.
[01:18] <jorm> or one of kohs' minions.
[01:21] <jorm> can you semiprot my talk page, too?  they're on there, as well.
[01:21] <Bsadowski1> I've had my user page semi'ed since 2010 :)
[01:22] <Base> well userpage ≠ talk page
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[01:23] <jorm> i miss having my powers from time to time.
[01:24] <Base> used to be a magician?
[01:24] <Bsadowski1> 173.192.176.128/26 hmm
[01:24] <Base> or are you about userrights? :P
[01:25] <Base> well /me goes to sleep anyway
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[01:27] <jorm> Base: I had more magick than the Stewards.
[01:27] <jorm> well, you've left.
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[01:31] <git> dang, qcoder is gone
[01:31] <git> he could've scraped it off and kept it as an antacid
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[01:33] <foks> antacid?
[01:33] <foks> acid purely to melt ants?
[01:33] <foks> that's be pretty niche
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[01:43] <foks> TIL what an "antacid" is
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[04:06] <Chess> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Willy_on_Wheels~enwiki
[04:06] <Chess> kind of bs considering they're all the same account
[04:06] <Chess> but still
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[04:10] <Keegan> Chess: To be fair, you don't know that they're all the same account. It was years before SUL and CentralAuth :P
[04:11] <Chess> the enwiki one should have the strongest claim
[04:11] <Chess> as he is the most notable
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[04:25] <Chess> >guerilla skepticism
[04:25] <Chess> the hell haven't I heard of this yet?
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[04:26] <Chess> secrelt
[04:26] <Chess> Sevr
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[04:26] <Chess> secretly prepares articles before they are put on wikipedia
[04:30] <Chess> Someone link me to their arbcom case
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[04:50] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
[04:52] <hoybebovino> byebye Pon to
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[05:04] <DVS> Gah, everything worth using is registered
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[05:06] <PontoCom_BR> hoybebovino: bye.
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[05:10] <D-Volt> Sorry for the name change notices. I think this will do for now.
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[06:04] <{soap|bed}> huh
[06:04] <{soap|bed}> Wikipedia says the Dominican Republic is a high-HDI country
[06:05] <{soap|bed}> though it also ranks the United States lower than Estonia
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[08:14] <SigmaWP> bye
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[08:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Top Islamist 'killed' in US strike
[08:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> And first thing I imagined was a top 10 list where islamist pop songs are chosen
[08:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Do those still exist?
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[15:32] <Anthaas> Hi, I have come across a bad wikipedia article / section of the article.
[15:33] <TheMesquito> Anthaas: A link would be great
[15:33] <Anthaas> Sure
[15:33] <Anthaas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Region_connection_calculus
[15:34] <Anthaas> The "Flaws of RCC8" section
[15:34] <banzaikitten> "simple and nice"
[15:34] <Anthaas> It is completely meaningless, and not founded or backed up by any reasonable, peer-reviewed material.
[15:34] <TheMesquito> Also, why can't you just remove it yourself? The page is not protected
[15:34] <banzaikitten> can u describe it as "nice"?
[15:34] <Anthaas> No.
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[15:34] <Anthaas> It doesn't have a personality.
[15:34] <Anthaas> Haha
[15:35] <banzaikitten> no
[15:35] <banzaikitten> but neither do apples
[15:35] <Qasaur> hey
[15:35] <banzaikitten> and theyre nice
[15:35] <Anthaas> Apples are sweet, tart even, and you may enjoy them, but they do not portray any characteristics such that you would say they are nice.
[15:36] <banzaikitten> they are sweet
[15:36] <banzaikitten> sweet is nice
[15:36] <Anthaas> What if you dont like sweet?
[15:36] <banzaikitten> then you might not experience the sweetness as nice
[15:37] <Ironholds> ..exactly.
[15:37] <Anthaas> Haha, either way, this a spatial calculi for reasoning. It is not nice.
[15:37] <Anthaas> Plus, it isn't even simple when you compare to RCC5
[15:37] <Anthaas> Either way, its a ridiculous statement, to make in a ridiculous section of an article.
[15:37] <Anthaas> "Flaws"
[15:38] <banzaikitten> i think we have tackled one issue- niceness is subjective
[15:38] <banzaikitten> second issue
[15:39] <banzaikitten> is there anything that we could objectively identify as arguably nice in spatial calculi for reasoning
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[15:40] <Anthaas> Not really.
[15:41] <Anthaas> Nice isnt really a word you would/should use with spatial reasoning
[15:41] <GorillaWarfare> ><
[15:41] <Anthaas> Some can be more expressive than others, and perhaps that is what they were trying to get at.
[15:41] <GorillaWarfare> Anthaas: Why can't you remove it?
[15:41] <Anthaas> But even then, it should be backed up and what not.
[15:41] <GorillaWarfare> I agree that it probably doesn't belong in the article..
[15:42] <Anthaas> If I do, I will have to do it much later.
[15:42] <banzaikitten> lol
[15:42] <banzaikitten> i was just being dumb
[15:42] <Anthaas> Oh.
[15:42] <banzaikitten> obviously there word nice shouldnt be in there
[15:42] <banzaikitten> the
[15:43] <Anthaas> The whole article isn't founded though - and shouldn't be there unless backed up with papers and what not.
[15:43] <banzaikitten> put a template at the top
[15:43] <Anthaas> Im currently writing one making use of RCC8 and was after a picture which is why I came across it
[15:43] <banzaikitten> "This article needs more citations" type thing
[15:43] <Anthaas> I have to go anyway
[15:43] <banzaikitten> "This article is mainly bollocks"
[15:43] <Anthaas> Thanks guys
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[17:35] <{soap|bed}> i jsut wanna see something
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[17:35] <InvinciblePacifi> yeah i thought so
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[18:14] <InvincibleLakitu> sugar was considered a spice until recently
[18:16] <Symmachus> InvincibleLakitu: How do you mean? I thought it was always considered a "sweetener"? Which, mind you, is like a spice in the culinary sense. Just as some other things are, like defrutum.
[18:19] <InvincibleLakitu> just reading the wiki
[18:19] <InvincibleLakitu> In India, between the sixth and fourth centuries BC, the Persians, followed by the Greeks, discovered the famous "reeds that produce honey without bees". They adopted and then spread sugar and sugarcane agriculture.[3] A few merchants began to trade in sugar—a luxury and an expensive spice until the 18th century.
[18:21] <InvincibleLakitu> it took an awfully long time honestly
[18:21] <InvincibleLakitu> but i guess that was just due to the lack of European conquest in the tropics
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[18:30] <Symmachus> InvincibleLakitu: Indeed. Also, they had a home-grown source for sugar, though the mention of it in the article is pretty sparse in comparison to its historical importance: beet sugar.
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[19:40] <darev> Hello!
[19:43] <Amortias> evening
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[20:25] <Qasaur> Is there any discussion section for biased articles?
[20:25] <Qasaur> i.e. suggestions to change etc.
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[20:26] <GorillaWarfare> Qasaur: Usually the article's talk page, or WP:COIN
[20:26] <Qasaur> I see, okay, thanks GorillaWarfare
[20:26] <GorillaWarfare> Sure
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[20:32] <Qasaur> GorillaWarfare: Is the GamerGate article still filled with drama?
[20:32] <GorillaWarfare> Somewhat
[20:33] <Qasaur> I stumbled upon it from the biased articles discussions, but perhaps it's too loaded to try and contribute something there as a half-newbie
[20:34] <GorillaWarfare> It certainly wouldn't be my first suggestion of articles for newbies to edit
[20:35] <GorillaWarfare> But that's up to you
[20:35] <Amortias> Isnt there some sort of 500 edit limit or is that just the talk page
[20:36] <Qasaur> Amortias: there is
[20:36] <Qasaur> I'm on 260 atm so I don't really have the ability to edit there regardless
[20:36] <Qasaur> I'll just go back to creating new articles
[20:37] <Amortias> its safer
[20:37] <{Soap}> huh??!??! are you kidding me
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[20:37] <{Soap}> we banned editors with <500 edits from editing the page
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[20:37] <{Soap}> is it filter-enforced or just on the honor system?
[20:38] <L235> {Soap}: it's an arbitration DS rememdy
[20:38] <Amortias> So honor system
[20:38] <Amortias> quite rigirously enforced
[20:38] <L235> so edits by <500 are reverted
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[20:38] <L235> it's not honor system; "honor system" is "please don't edit if you don't have 500 edits"
[20:39] <Amortias> honor roll then "if your names not on the list your not coming in"
[20:39] <{Soap}> OK so no edit filter
[20:39] <L235> this system is "if you dare to edit with less than 500 edits, you'll be reverted and a mean message placed on your talk page, and if you keep it up you'll be sanctioned under DS"
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[20:40] <L235> {Soap}: no, that would be a bit of a performance waste on every edit
[20:40] <Qasaur> Why is there so much controversy surrounding the article?
[20:40] <Amortias> be careful about asking questions you regret learning the answer to
[20:41] <GorillaWarfare> Qasaur: Have you read the article?
[20:41] <GorillaWarfare> It's pretty standard that things that generate controversy IRL also spill over onto WP
[20:41] <Qasaur> GorillaWarfare: Skimmed through it but I've heard a lot about this GamerGate thing on various social media
[20:41] <GorillaWarfare> Right
[20:41] <GorillaWarfare> There's your answer, then
[20:42] <IDoH> Qasaur: Because IRL drama sometimes finds its' way to Wikipedia, particularly with articles thats' related to said IRL drama. Or what GorillaWarfare said.
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[20:42] <IDoH> Though gamergate might be beyond "drama".
[20:42] <Qasaur> From what I can read the language appears to be very biased i.e. value words and emotional words but I feel that this is a land mine so maybe I should stop asking questions about it
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[20:42] <Qasaur> this is a topic filled with landmines*
[20:42] <GorillaWarfare> Qasaur: Articles can contain things like that so long as they're used appropriately and well-cited
[20:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> drahmas
[20:43] <Amortias> your questions so far have been quite reasonable
[20:43] <{Soap}> what, we're not up for another six hour long hair pulling argument here on lovely #wikipedia-en ?
[20:43] <Cookies52> {Soap}, as if that ever happens :0
[20:43] <Qasaur> But I've heard shit about peolpe being doxxed because of their edits
[20:43] <GorillaWarfare> "hair pulling argument"?
[20:43] <Qasaur> people*
[20:44] <{Soap}> those of us who dont have hair bite their fingernails instead
[20:44] <GorillaWarfare> Oh
[20:44] <GorillaWarfare> Pulling our own hair, not others
[20:45] <GorillaWarfare> Was picturing a small child pulling on someone's pigtails
[20:45] <GorillaWarfare> Which, to be fair, is not an inaccurate comparison wrt some gamergate arguments...
[20:45] <Amortias> I think either analogy is quite possible considering what ive seen
[20:45] <IDoH> LOL
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[20:46] <git> i still don't understand gg
[20:47] <GorillaWarfare> git: Ignorance is bliss sometimes
[20:47] <git> GorillaWarfare: that's the stand i've taken
[20:47] <git> it's about ethics in journalism, and that's all i care to know
[20:47] <Qasaur> GorillaWarfare: It does become a problem when it shits up WP though
[20:48] <GorillaWarfare> Qasaur: Trust me, I'm the last person you need to tell that to.
[20:48] <{Soap}> eek that sounds messy
[20:51] <Qasaur> GorillaWarfare: I see, well I'd rather stay away from taking sides on this issue
[20:51] <Qasaur> Neutrality over all, in my opinion
[20:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Gamergate?
[20:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Is that like stargate?
[20:53] <GorillaWarfare> ToAruShiroiNeko: Yes, almost exactly the same
[20:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> is that also like watergate?
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[20:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which is a portal between waters I imaginbe
[20:59] <git> ToAruShiroiNeko: the politically correct name is now "Tricky Dick's Wet n' Wild Water Heist of 1967"
[20:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 67?
[21:00] <git> ... you're right, that vandal didn't even know history
[21:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://vimeo.com/40588097
[21:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Objection! Even quantum leap covered it.
[21:02] <Symmachus> God, I think I've seen people making revisions of a couple mentions of "Watergate" to that name on the article space, git. Vandalism, of course. I got a chuckle out of it, though.
[21:02] <git> Symmachus: i got a laugh out of it, because it was original
[21:02] <git> not "DICKY NICKY ON WHEELS"
[21:03] <Symmachus> It's hilarious, actually. :)
[21:03] <Symmachus> But not so fun when IP vandals keep adding it to articles over and over.
[21:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> on wheels thing is still going on
[21:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> dang he is persistant
[21:04] <Amortias> he cropped up last night again
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[21:08] <Amortias> !admin pp on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dusty_Rhodes_%28wrestler%29 edit warring ongoing after previous protection expred
[21:09] <NotASpy> RFPP for that
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[21:12] <{Soap}> you want me to "peepee" on an article? eek that sounds messy
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[21:14] <ZeroSerenity__> And a good afternoon of E32015 Day one to all of you.
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[21:15] <ZeroSerenity> Oh dear we're gonna drown.
[21:15] <Amortias> You are aware that would at least solve all the blp issues we have
[21:15] <ZeroSerenity> Soap, I got an odd request for you. Can you give me an idea how long Planned Parenthood has been without protection?
[21:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Planned Parenthoo Protection, PPP?
[21:16] <Amortias> Its usually without protection as soon as the idea arises
[21:16] <{Soap}> wait is this a serious request or the launchpad for another series of puns
[21:17] <ZeroSerenity> Serious. There's the occasional vandal but I'm curious.
[21:17] <{Soap}> because you should be able to see it at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Planned+Parenthood
[21:17] <GorillaWarfare> It was last protected 28 Nov 2011
[21:17] <{Soap}> it expired Nov 28, 2014 but seems to be under some kind of sanction
[21:17] <{Soap}> oh, right, maybe the sanction itself also expired Nov 28 2014
[21:18] <ZeroSerenity> Abortion topics are all under sanctions.
[21:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> So abortion topics protection got aborted?
[21:18] <ZeroSerenity> It feels managable.
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[21:19] <GorillaWarfare> Yeah, it's under discretionary sanctions from the abortion case
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[21:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ZeroSerenity isnt that animal abuse?
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[21:22] <ZeroSerenity> To who? The trout or you?\
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[21:42] <ZeroSerenity> I need an IP ban. 72.0.178.223 for repeated vandalism of Planned Parenthood.
[21:45] <SerajewelKS> tried AIV?
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[23:43] <Qcoder00> Hi annyone want to start a  row on Commons?
[23:43] <HQ> What do you mean a row on commos?
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[23:45] <HQ> Qcoder00 What do you mean a row on commos?
[23:45] <Qcoder00> HQ: Yoou know UK Road signs are Technically OGL ?
[23:45] <Qcoder00> (i.e Open Government License)?
[23:46] <Qcoder00> I had someone claim they were not
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[23:46] <Qcoder00> Because the Transport font was out of scope (as were the pictograms)
[23:46] <branler> Hey, off topic here, but does anyone know what happens when your Office 365 subscription expires?
[23:46] <HQ> All traffic signs are public domain
[23:46] <Qcoder00> HQ: Not in the UK
[23:47] <Qcoder00> They are Crown works...
[23:47] <HQ> Isn't Crown works a goverment?
[23:47] <branler> Crown work = crown copyright (Queen's Press)
[23:47] <Qcoder00> And the The concern someone had raised was that OGL excludes third party design rights...
[23:48] <Qcoder00> And the "Transport"  typeface was designed by someone that wasn't technically a UK crown employee at the time... ( work for hire I think)
[23:48] <HQ> Well here in the United States, all traffic signs are in public domain since it is work of the government.
[23:49] <HQ> What is OGL excludes?
[23:49] <Qcoder00> OGL is Open Government License.
[23:49] <Qcoder00> It's what allows Commons to host UK Government works
[23:49] <Qcoder00> But OGL doesn't include rights to third party design rights...
[23:49] <HQ> I am not familiar with the United kingdom’s laws or their copyrights laws.
[23:49] <Qcoder00> Like those that might exist in a typeface
[23:50] <HQ> Can you give an example ofone is OGL and not OGL?
[23:52] <HQ> So what you're saying is, if I take a traffic sign from the UK, I'm breaking some type of copyright law in the UK even though the UK government has created a traffic sign?
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[23:55] <HQ> @Qcoder00 are you still here?
[23:55] <Qcoder00> Yep
[23:55] <Qcoder00> I'm still here
[23:55] <Qcoder00> The row on Commons, would be that Traffic Sign images aren't OGL because of a technicality
[23:55] <Qcoder00> and thusly can't be hosted under that license.
[23:56] <Qcoder00> Given that Commons is having a row about UN documennts right now...  I think it's time to setlle some other issues concerning Govt Documents once and for all at the same
[23:56] <HQ> Can you link to the page?
[23:56] <Qcoder00> Which page?
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[23:57] <Qcoder00> The problem images on Commons are here :- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_road_signs_in_the_UK amongst others
[23:57] <HQ> A traffic sign that you claim is not OGL?
[23:58] <Qcoder00> I am sure they are...
[23:58] <HQ> So your saying that this sign https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_road_signs_in_the_UK#/media/File:UK_traffic_sign_601.1.svg is copyrighted by the UK?
[23:59] <Qcoder00> That one is too simple ( and is Vienna Convention anyway)
Session Time: Tue Jun 16 00:00:00 2015
[00:00] <Qcoder00> But basicly Yes... Someone needs to confirm that the Transport typeface and the pictograms are within OGL scope....
[00:00] <Qcoder00> Otherwise Commons is pushing the boundary...
[00:00] <HQ> That is a universal traffic sign. That I would say is in public domain.  I think someone is trying to pull a fast one.
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[00:01] <Qcoder00> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:UK_traffic_sign_878.svg
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[00:01] <Qcoder00> This is  more probleamtical...
[00:01] <Qcoder00> It's also wrongly claimed as own work ... It clearly isn't ( and mioght be from an official source anyway)
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[00:03] <HQ> So I am confused, what you’re saying, that sign has the wrong license? If so what should it be?
[00:03] <Qcoder00> Perhaps you could raise a concern on Commons asking someone to check up on this?
[00:04] <Qcoder00> HQ: th e878 one needs to be checked to see if the OGL coveres the Camera symbol and  Transport typeface used...
[00:04] <Qcoder00> If they aren't within OGL scope... then the image can't be hosted on Commons...
[00:04] <Qcoder00> I think they are...
[00:04] <Qcoder00> But it needs the paperwork to prove it
[00:05] <HQ> So your saying that image should not be on wiki?
[00:05] <Qcoder00> HQ: I'm saying that if certain assumptions aren't actually valid, then it's not compatible with Commons
[00:06] <HQ> So your saying the license might be wrong on wiki?
[00:06] <Qcoder00> If someone can get the ssusmptions confirmed explictly (i.e OTRS confirmation) that the items concerned ARE OGL scope it can stay :)
[00:06] <HQ> I don't follow
[00:06] <Qcoder00> HQ: THe OGL license may be the wrong license if the font deisgn and pictogram symbol are not within the scope of the OGL license...
[00:07] <Qcoder00> I think they are
[00:07] <Qcoder00> but can't (for the sake of Commons purposes) prove it
[00:07] <Qcoder00> You awake NotASpy?
[00:07] <HQ> Who cannot prove it, wiki or the gov?
[00:09] <Qcoder00> I can't prove it... and currently Commons claims it's own work
[00:09] <Qcoder00> (in respect of the 878 sign artwork i mention)
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[00:10] <HQ> Ok, so what your trying to do is prove what license to get it fixed in wiki?
[00:11] <Qcoder00> Yes
[00:12] <Qcoder00> To be relly tight, the licensing needs to have NO implicit assumptions
[00:12] <Qcoder00> *really
[00:12] <HQ> So what is the license now and what should it be?
[00:12] <Qcoder00> HQ : Currently it's OGL...
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[00:13] <Qcoder00> It should be OGL3 , with an explcit confirmation and OTRS ticket concerning the picotgram.font issue
[00:13] <Qcoder00> *pictogram/font
[00:14] <HQ> oh
[00:14] <HQ> What does OGL3 allow someone do to? Is that like public domain?
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[00:15] <Qcoder00> OGL is the current version of the Open Government License, which allows you to use UK Government works freely , provided ceratin conditions are met
[00:16] <HQ> Ok and the other one does not allow people to use work from the UK Gov.
[00:17] <HQ> Have you looked at this page https://www.gov.uk/traffic-sign-images and also e-mailed them if possable?
[00:18] <Qcoder00> I will be...
[00:18] <Qcoder00> But at Commons the "proof" burden is typically on the uploader...
[00:19] <Qcoder00> DR opened, we'll see what happens
[00:19] <Qcoder00> HQ:  As you say though this is so much simpler in the US
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[00:19] <Qcoder00> the MUTCD signs are PD (work of FHWA)
[00:20] <Qcoder00> That said , I'm suprised I've not seen a host of SVG versions of US raod signs at Commons...
[00:20] <Qcoder00> (Maybe no-one has the time to draw them all)
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[00:22] <Qasaur> Anyone know how licensing would work if I "forked" WP?
[00:22] <Qasaur> Like would it be good enough to just add credit to the first revision
[00:22] <{Soap}> well, are you seruoudly considering forking the entire wikipedia?
[00:23] <Qasaur> The articles {Soap}
[00:23] <{Soap}> bvecause dont even bother. ive seen reply. not only have they all failed, but i only know one who was even successful at even getting anything online
[00:23] <{Soap}> *ive seen people try. sorry, odd typo
[00:23] <Qasaur> Which one has been successful?
[00:23] <Qcoder00> Qasaur:  You ca fork Wikipedia if you follow the terms of CC-BY-SA /GFDL and whatever 200 odd image licensing schemes exist
[00:23] <{Soap}> Wikinfo
[00:23] <{Soap}> and that was only a temporary success
[00:24] <{Soap}> last i heard theyre on a free host now, which isnt really goingto work if you want a serious userbase
[00:24] <Qasaur> {Soap}: I'm not interested in making a clone of Wikipedia though
[00:24] <Qasaur> It's more the content I'm interested in
[00:24] <{Soap}> hmm maybe not actually
[00:24] <{Soap}> http://wikinfo.org/w/English/index.php/Main_Page
[00:25] <{Soap}> they mighr be back online for real
[00:25] <Qasaur> What is this Wikinfo anyway?
[00:25] <{Soap}> i wonder if my account survived. probably not
[00:25] <{Soap}> http://wikinfo.org/w/English/index.php/Special:Contributions/Soap <-- nope
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[00:25] <{Soap}> Wikinfo is a very old fork of Wikipedia dedicated to the goal of more liberal policies on allowing OR and POV
[00:26] <Qasaur> I think the problem with Wiki forks is that they all try to use the same old MediaWiki software which frankly is pretty terrible, especially in 2015
[00:26] <{Soap}> i'd demonstrate but most of the articles are gone now
[00:26] <{Soap}> so its not actually a mirror anymore, but a new, ex nihilo, independent proejct
[00:26] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
[00:27] <{Soap}> oh wow the account actuallyt did carry over
[00:27] <{Soap}> i have userID 4 on wikinfo
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[00:28] <{Soap}> very old account
[00:28] <{Soap}> just no surviving edits
[00:29] <Qasaur> This looks like a useless website
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[00:30] <{Soap}> Probably
[00:31] <{Soap}> if nothing else it has the claim to be the only surviving all-of-wikipedia fork still in exsitence though
[00:31] <{Soap}> albeit witrh the disclaimer that its not really a fork any longer
[00:32] <{Soap}> hmm my edits seem toi have been on http://wikinfo.org/w/index.php/Special:Contributions/Soap
[00:33] <{Soap}> even there, only one surviving edit, and it is clearly a deletion of something that didnt survive the transfer
[00:33] <Qasaur> I should add I do not intend to fork all of Wikipedia
[00:33] <Qasaur> Only the articles
[00:33] <{Soap}> actually no, it was an import
[00:34] <{Soap}> Qasaur: well i think if you go by database size, thats still enormously huge and tantamount to "all"
[00:34] <Qasaur> {Soap}: I suppose
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[00:40] <{Soap}> seems like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikinfo isnt even an article
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[00:41] <{Soap}> Wikinfo was launched in July 2003 as "Internet-Encyclopedia". It was a fork of the English-language Wikipedia, meant to hold original research and multiple articles on subjects from different points of view, instead of Wikipedia's policy of a single neutral-point-of-view article.[32] In 2013, after a period of downtime, the content was removed and a new version of Wikinfo was started at
[00:41] <{Soap}> Wikia.
[00:41] <{Soap}> is all weve got
[00:41] <HQ> For you to say <Qasaur> This looks like a useless website is a bit mean.
[00:42] <Qasaur> HQ: Maybe useless is a bit harsh, but I don't see why one should use Wikinfo
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[00:42] <Qasaur> Especially since there aren't any articles of note on it
[00:43] <HQ> A lot of schools tell people not to use Wikipedia.org
[00:44] <{Soap}> there were. they were deleted apparently
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[00:45] <{Soap}> but anyway yeah
[00:46] <{Soap}> if you seriously do intend to mnake a fork of even just the main space of the English WP, just warning you its no easy task
[00:46] <HQ> Good bye all.
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[00:54] <PontoCom_BR> Reguyla?
[00:55] <{Soap}> reguyla is here?
[01:00] <jorm> please to be blocking this vandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/75.90.243.228
[01:04] <git> i think my fan is plotting to kill me
[01:04] <git> every now and then it turns on, goes for about 10 seconds, and oscilates to look at me
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[01:12] <comets> as long as your fan is not named after a person, you are fine :P
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[01:14] <git> its name is Honeywell
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[01:48] <PontoCom_BR> {Soap}: reguyla do not here. :(
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[01:52] <git> reguyla isn't a regulya here?
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[02:10] <SigmaWP> we should nip it in the bud
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[02:12] <SigmaWP> !ops T13 spam
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[02:30] <{Soap}> wb
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[02:36] <{Soap}> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Alcohol_by_Country.png  <-- whats up with Uganda?
[02:36] <{Soap}> no other african country even comes close
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[02:38] <{Soap}> possibly bad data
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[02:42] <{Soap}> i found it
[02:42] <{Soap}> its bananas
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[02:42] <{Soap}> uganda makes an alxcogolic drink out of bananas and it is not classified under some schemes
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[03:03] <{Soap}> i think it is
[03:03] <Bsadowski1> Hawks won \o/
[03:04] <{Soap}> apparentlky not
[03:04] <{Soap}> it just liks to the arcible
[03:05] <Bsadowski1> {Soap}: What's a "arcible"?
[03:05] <{Soap}> sooemtimes its not worth fixing the typos i make
[03:05] <Bsadowski1> New word? :O
[03:08] <IDoH|AfIRC> {Soap} is starting a new word order
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[04:07] <PontoCom_BR> reguyla is here?
[04:10] <{Soap}> hi reggie
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[05:13] <{Soap}> uhoh WP serarch is down
[05:13] <{Soap}> helpy helpy help
[05:14] <{Soap}> not that its that important for me persoally
[05:14] <{Soap}> i can get the page i wanted
[05:15] <{Soap}> i just use a browser shortcut that routes everything through saerch
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[06:03] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[06:10] <comets> down again? lol
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[06:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not down
[06:18] <{soap|bed}> earlier the search was down
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[06:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} you didnt need to search anyways
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[08:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://i.lvme.me/ecb31hd.jpg
[08:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Game turns into reality?
[08:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> WTF
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[12:05] <darev> Hello!
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[12:10] <_kmh_> hello hello
[12:10] <_kmh_> welcome to the darev show
[12:11] <_kmh_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegan%27s_Wake  <---- is the audio file appropriate?
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[14:44] <jubo2> g'evening encyclopedism perps
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[14:44] <{soap|bed}> hi
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[14:56] <{soap|bed}> hi Newt
[14:57] <ObsequiousNewt> {soap|bed}: hello
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[16:20] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_skin  <-- wow this article needs some help
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[16:22] <{soap|bed}> a scientist named "Alexandra Katsaro2" is apparently an expert on the topic. I wonder, is she of the Atlantic Katsaro2 family or the Pacific one?
[16:23] <{soap|bed}> Atlantic
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[16:30] <The_Photographer> Hi
[16:31] <The_Photographer> How I could convert a wikitable to chart?
[16:31] <Envigado> No idea
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[16:33] <The_Photographer> mm
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[16:38] <_kmh_> be smart
[16:38] <_kmh_> and it might become a chart
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�03[16:43] * Set by Glaisher!Philon@wikimedia/Glaisher on Tue Jun 09 10:07:33 2015
[16:43] #wikipedia-en url is https://en.wikipedia.org/
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[16:48] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/margarita_dermatitis
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[16:49] <{soap|bed}> darn, "aequeosalinocalcalinosetaceoaluminosocupreovitriolic" got deleted
[16:51] <Envigado> LOL
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[16:59] <darev> Hello!
[16:59] <Amortias> evening
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�03[17:04] * Set by Glaisher!Philon@wikimedia/Glaisher on Tue Jun 09 10:07:33 2015
[17:04] #wikipedia-en url is https://en.wikipedia.org/
[17:04] <The_Photographer> Someone could help me to remove the "Total" from https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:Data_bars
[17:05] <The_Photographer> its a template on english
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[17:12] <The_Photographer> 11:16, 16 June 2015 WMFOffice (talk | contribs) changed status for global account "User:Kinposan@global": Set (none); Unset locked (Unlock after further investigation)
[17:12] <The_Photographer> great
[17:12] <{soap|bed}> huh, i didnt know that ever happened
[17:13] <Amortias> never seen an office action before
[17:15] <The_Photographer> it is better to shoot first, especially if he is a black boy
[17:16] <GorillaWarfare> Not funny, The_Photographer
[17:16] <Amortias> treading a very fine line there...
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[17:19] <The_Photographer> GorillaWarfare: I know
[17:19] <GorillaWarfare> So don't make the joke
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[17:21] <The_Photographer> GorillaWarfare: its not a joke, you dont underestand it
[17:21] <The_Photographer> GorillaWarfare: its a real problem
[17:22] <The_Photographer> At any time I can be blocked because further investigation nice
[17:22] <Amortias> The_Photographer , its an inappropriate comment to make no matter if its meant as a joke or not
[17:22] <GorillaWarfare> I'm not taking issue with you discussing WP block policy
[17:22] <GorillaWarfare> I'm taking issue with you comparing it to the shooting of black children
[17:23] <The_Photographer> GorillaWarfare: oh ok
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[17:29] <foks> How does one say "pageviews" in Spanish?
[17:29] <foks> "visitas de página"?
[17:30] <Amortias> páginas vistas according to the worlds least successful translator
[17:30] <JeDa> Páginas vistas.
[17:30] <JeDa> It is.
[17:30] <JeDa> (I know spanish kek)
[17:31] <foks> that's really weird, knowing a little Spanish grammar
[17:32] <The_Photographer> foks: revisor de páginas
[17:33] <The_Photographer> foks: or páginas vistas
[17:33] <foks> I've just used the latter
[17:33] <The_Photographer> foks: yes its better because "revisor de páginas" is pageviewer
[17:33] <The_Photographer> JeDa: Gracias
[17:34] <foks> heh
[17:34] <GorillaWarfare> foks: Google uses "visita de página" fwiw
[17:34] <foks> Yeah, that's what I figured it would be
[17:35] <foks> but if "página vista" works, then, ehhhhhhhh
[17:35] <GorillaWarfare> Oh wait no, they use both
[17:35] <GorillaWarfare> https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/2956047?hl=es
[17:35] <GorillaWarfare> I think they use "página visita" for the event itself
[17:35] <GorillaWarfare> *vista
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[17:48] <JeDa> The_Photographer: Gracias... ¿por qué? :P
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[17:50] <The_Photographer> JeDa: Por ayudar te me adelantaste muchachito
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[17:52] <JeDa> lol
[17:53] <Envigado> its?
[17:54] <Envigado> Páginas vistas, yes
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[18:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> So Trump is a candidate candidate?
[18:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> If he wins and wins the actual election would the US be renamed to United States of Trump?
[18:48] <GorillaWarfare> Yes
[18:48] <GorillaWarfare> That's why the US is currently named United States of Obama
[18:48] <GorillaWarfare> It's tradition, and all.
[18:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Not Obamaistan?
[18:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> would he rename  his toupe?
[18:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> to Toupe-1
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[19:08] <QueenOfFrance> Why not Toupe States of Trump directly?
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[19:13] <Envigado> Obamaistan
[19:13] <Envigado> lol
[19:14] <Envigado> ToAruShiroiNeko: I like Obamistan better than Obama-istan
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[19:17] <{Soap}> http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/1542080/22672084/1368395944730/Comicmama.jpg?token=0DKjGbJFYl82R84pzOMRY46cTGw%3D
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[19:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> QueenOfFrance more like United Toupes of Trumpia
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[19:28] <{Soap}> whoa a new RFA
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[19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so UK election was spectacularly bad?
[19:34] <foks> eh?
[19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> great deal of mis representation according to one video
[19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5I
[19:35] <foks> ToAruShiroiNeko, ahhh, yes.
[19:36] <foks> That's just because our political system is bullshit
[19:36] <foks> As I suspected, CGP Grey didn't take into account the SNP were only standing in 59 seats
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[19:37] <foks> It's easy to say "they only got 5% of the vote!" when they got 50% of the vote in the seats they actually stood in
[19:37] <foks> it was something like 20,000 votes per seat
[19:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think he does have a point though
[19:38] <foks> ... seat stood in, I mean
[19:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I observe something similar in the Turkish election
[19:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which is a whole level of wtf
[19:38] <foks> As opposed to the UKIP, who might have got 4million votes, but over 600 seats
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[19:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/01/turkey-the-worlds-most-unfair-election-system
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[19:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the graph is actually interactive
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[20:27] <darev> Hello!
[20:27] <Amortias> evening again
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[20:33] <Qcoder00> Up for some humor Amortias?
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[20:34] <Qcoder00> I'll start up in the other channel if annyoen is interested
[20:34] <Amortias> Am in middle of writing a report at present
[20:34] <Amortias> have to gimme half an hour or so
[20:34] <Qcoder00> OK Work first
[20:34] <Qcoder00> :)
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[20:56] <{Soap}> Work last
[20:56] <{Soap}> thats my motto
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[20:57] <Envigado> {Soap}: Thats?
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[20:57] <{Soap}> oh HEY THERE embigao
[20:58] <{Soap}> i forgot all about you
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[22:41] <Anna_Frodesiak> does anyone here know about signatures?
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[22:42] <Anna_Frodesiak> you know, fancy signatures
[22:44] <Anna_Frodesiak> if anyone does, and i don't, could you please help out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Plantsurfer#Thank_you_again
[22:44] <Anna_Frodesiak> many thanks
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[23:06] <Oshwah> Hi, everyone!
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[23:10] <Oshwah_ACCing> It's back-ish. lol
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[23:31] <Oshwah_> Weird. Did Wikipedia / Freenode just go down, or was it something on my end?
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[23:33] <Oshwah> brb
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[23:36] <GorillaWarfare> Oshwah_ACCing: Fairly unlikely that Wikipedia and Freenode would go down simultaneously
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[23:36] <Oshwah_ACCing> GorillaWarfare: That's what I thought.
[23:36] <Oshwah_ACCing> Probably my ISP or something else.
[23:36] <Oshwah_ACCing> Oh wel..
[23:37] <Oshwah_ACCing> Oh well...*
[23:37] <Oshwah_ACCing> Everything seems okay now.
[23:37] <FastLizard4> Oshwah_ACCing: Go back to ACCing, slave
[23:37] <FastLizard4> ;)
[23:37] <Oshwah_ACCing> FastLizard4: LOL
[23:37] <Oshwah_ACCing> Yes, master!
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[23:42] <k6ka> what to do with the stuff at [[Blood sugar]]?
[23:42] <k6ka> (see page hist)
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[00:08] <ObsequiousNewt> I want to set up some sort of bot (rss, irc, whatever) to alert me when a page is edited (ideally a non-patrolled edit) and the page title matches a regex—what is the best way to do that?
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[00:31] <EggSample> Hello?
[00:32] <EggSample> Anyone in here or just another room full of ghosts?
[00:33] <git> just ghosts
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[00:36] <jakr> ObsequiousNewt, careful, isn't that page ownership?
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[00:37] <ObsequiousNewt> jakr: more like I'm doing this on wiktionary and I want to make sure people are using greek templates right
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[00:37] <jakr> EggSample, here
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[00:38] <jakr> ObsequiousNewt, is there a channel for wiktionary?
[00:38] <ObsequiousNewt> jakr: yes
[00:38] <ObsequiousNewt> #wiktionary
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[00:42] <EggSample> Cool name {Soap}
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[00:43] <jakr> ObsequiousNewt, wiktionary is a dictionary?
[00:43] <ObsequiousNewt> jakr: yes
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[00:44] <jakr> ObsequiousNewt, is there any subjectivity to the content? Are the definitions sourced?
[00:45] <ObsequiousNewt> jakr: they can be
[00:45] <ObsequiousNewt> but I'm just doing this for the sake of formatting
[00:45] <jakr> which ?
[00:45] <jakr> can be subjective or can be sourced?
[00:47] <{Soap}> hi thank you
[00:48] <ObsequiousNewt> jakr: no subjectivity, but they can be sourced
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[01:16] <artistdesigner> hi!
[01:16] <EggSample> Hi
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[01:17] <artistdesigner> how are you doing EggSample?
[01:17] <EggSample> Okay
[01:17] <EggSample> You?
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[01:18] <artistdesigner> alright, trying to mine some sources for info to add to Wiki
[01:19] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
[01:20] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner and EggSample: Hello.
[01:20] <artistdesigner> hi, PontoCom!
[01:20] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner: Hi.
[01:21] <artistdesigner> I have a question-
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[01:23] <EggSample> I probably don't have an answer.
[01:23] <EggSample> But would be happy to try
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[01:24] <artistdesigner> when I have information in a source, like a nonfiction book for example, and it has information cited in from another source, how would I apply that citation in Wikipedia to an article?
[01:24] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner: You can write. maybe I help you.
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[01:30] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner: You can place usually in the article. if you are unsure how to cite, writes this: <ref><name author>, <name book>. <publishing house> <year>, <page>.</ref>
[01:30] <artistdesigner> oh okay, thank you!
[01:31] <PontoCom_BR> good boy.
[01:31] <PontoCom_BR> reguyla is here?
[01:31] <EggSample> Who's that?
[01:31] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner: other question?
[01:32] <PontoCom_BR> EggSample: ?
[01:32] <EggSample> Who's reguyla?
[01:32] <artistdesigner> I can't think of anything else I need help with right now, thanks!
[01:33] <PontoCom_BR> EggSample: a nickname I talked 2 days ago.
[01:34] <EggSample> Oh
[01:34] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner: u edit in asscount or IP?
[01:35] <PontoCom_BR> EggSample: yeah. yesterday I tried to talk at the same time, but he was not.
[01:36] <artistdesigner> ProntoCom: I edit in my account
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[01:38] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner: your account it's the same as your nickname?
[01:39] <artistdesigner> no, my nickname is rselby1
[01:40] <artistdesigner> it's kind of confusing, I know
[01:41] <PontoCom_BR> ok. I understand.
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[01:45] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rselby1
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[01:47] <artistdesigner> yes, that's me
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[01:50] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner: good page initial.
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[01:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[01:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hello internet
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[01:52] <artistdesigner> I decided that since I'm an adult, I might as well have my Wiki contributions connected with my real name.
[01:52] <artistdesigner> hello!
[01:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hi
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[01:55] <artistdesigner> how are you?
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[02:04] <IDoH> artistdesigner: Some people aren't able to connect their RL identities to their wiki identities out of fear of IRL stalking, lawsuits, etc.
[02:04] <IDoH> Glad you aren't in that situation
[02:04] <artistdesigner> oh yeah, I understand
[02:04] <PontoCom_BR> artistdesigner andToAruShiroiNeko: hi.
[02:04] <artistdesigner> I hope I don't ever get in that situation.
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[02:06] <artistdesigner> IDoH:but if that ever happens, I would make a new wiki account.
[02:07] <IDoH> artistdesigner: Probably a good idea.
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[02:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> artistdesigner I have been a wikipedian a little over a decade now and feel more comfortable using a username
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[02:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> googling my name shouldnt relate to my edits IMHO
[02:27] <git> to each their own
[02:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd recommend creating a second account name with your IRL identitiy rather than getting a rename
[02:28] <GorillaWarfare> Why?
[02:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> in my case I said some pretty dumb things in the past
[02:28] <EggSample> Why would anyone use their real name?
[02:28] <GorillaWarfare> Some prefer the connection. Some people don't have a choice.
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[02:29] <EggSample> Too scary.  Like responding to Craigslist
[02:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wmf staff accounts arent meant for much
[02:29] <EggSample> Not all staff accounts are real names
[02:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> EggSample I wonder if Craig sells craigslist on craigslist :p
[02:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> EggSample true
[02:30] <git> i wouldn't mind starting anew with my real name, but i wouldn't want to have to pretend to be a new user for a while, otherwise people would get suspicious
[02:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you do not have to
[02:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sockpuppeting isnt banned
[02:31] <EggSample> Just claim you edited as an IP for 20 years?
[02:31] <GorillaWarfare> Or renaming...
[02:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> provided you do not disrupt or avoid ban
[02:31] <GorillaWarfare> ToAruShiroiNeko: There are other restrictions
[02:31] <artistdesigner> this is a good idea, tbh
[02:31] <git> GorillaWarfare: i don't want to rename. already did that once and i don't want my wikipedia identity (which i previously used in other places) tied to my real name
[02:32] <git> i don't actively hide it, but i also don't want to make it publicized
[02:32] <GorillaWarfare> I don't blame you.
[02:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes
[02:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git I am like that too
[02:33] <artistdesigner> I mean, the reason I made the one with my real name was mostly related to the photos I uploaded to Wiki Loves Monuments. Idk, I just felt partiularly proud of them
[02:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> You can attribute photos to your real name
[02:34] <artistdesigner> but..... I like the idea of actually editing on a different account now that you mentioned Googling your own name
[02:35] <EggSample> I had evil parents. My name is "Buddy". So hard trying to figure out if people are directly addressing me or using it as a general saying in public "Hey Buddy, ..."
[02:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> With stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brion_VIBBER/Cool_Cat_incident_report I am not inclined to publicise my real name
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[02:36] <GorillaWarfare> EggSample: If it makes you feel better, my name is about as close to a euphemism for drugs as it gets.
[02:36] <EggSample> You're Dope?
[02:36] <GorillaWarfare> Molly White
[02:37] <GorillaWarfare> See also http://genius.com/1929271
[02:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> GorillaWarfare that doesn't make you extatic? :p
[02:37] <artistdesigner> hahahaha your wikipedia username is a Migos reference that's so awesome
[02:38] <GorillaWarfare> artistdesigner: No, the Migos song is a reference to my real name
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[02:38] <GorillaWarfare> I predated the song, so I can only imagine he was singing about me
[02:38] <git> hahaha
[02:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> dang
[02:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and I thought I was special
[02:38] <git> GorillaWarfare++
[02:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have a battleship named after my name
[02:38] <EggSample> So you're beautiful and white.  Cool.
[02:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It was named before I was born so, I think the government prepared for my birth :p
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[02:39] <EggSample> I'm ugly and brown.  No worries. :p
[02:39] <GorillaWarfare> Er, well, I'm Molly and I'm White..
[02:40] <artistdesigner> it only makes sense. they HAD to have been singing about you.
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[02:41] <EggSample> Reminds me if another song...
[02:41] <EggSample> You're so vain, you think this song is about you...
[02:42] <GorillaWarfare> ouch
[02:42] <git> that was quite a turn of events
[02:42] <EggSample> Ouch with a smile I hope.. :p
[02:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> quite a turnabout
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[02:43] <git> reminds me of https://i.imgur.com/kEfSBhD.jpg
[02:43] <EggSample> ToAruShiroiNeko: are you a minion?
[02:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am a member of the infamous cabal
[02:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I serve as the janitor though :(
[02:44] <artistdesigner> like a Despicable Me minion?
[02:44] <EggSample> ^^^
[02:44] <GorillaWarfare> git++
[02:44] <EggSample> artistdesigner: they're releasing their own movie july 10
[02:46] <comets> can't wait..
[02:46] <EggSample> Is that extra dot sarcasm?
[02:46] <artistdesigner> hopefully
[02:46] <git> hmmm... i wonder if you could get the Wikipedia app running on Android Wear
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[02:46] <comets> i rarely add fullstops to sentences :P
[02:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I want to run a wikipedia app on HoloLens
[02:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I worry however if my screen will be filled with penises
[02:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont want VR full of penises
[02:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> just no.
[02:49] <comets> Kampai!
[02:50] <EggSample> ToAruShiroiNeko: is that on topic?
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[02:51] <artistdesigner> depends on what Wikipedia article you're looking at
[02:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> penises are always on topic here, unfortunately :(
[02:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgakdcEzVwg <- this is what we can expect
[02:51] <EggSample> I had enough russiva penis painting talk in en-helpers (to scar me for life) today
[02:52] <artistdesigner> russian penis painting?
[02:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> uh oh
[02:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do you really want me to fill you in?
[02:53] <comets> they still talk about it? :/
[02:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Urgh... That pun was unintentional...
[02:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> comets why wouldn;t they
[02:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It involves Pricaso and Jimmy Wales
[02:54] <artistdesigner> is this like some horrible slash fic?
[02:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trust me, learning about it will not make you a better person.
[02:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> EggSample isnt kidding when he says he is scarred for life.
[02:55] <artistdesigner> oh of course not
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[02:56] <EggSample> I want to unremember NOW...
[02:56] <PontoCom_BR> reguyla is here?
[02:56] <artistdesigner> so on another topic, I have to figure out what a great replacement username I should get
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[02:57] <EggSample> artistdesigner: minion-bob?
[02:57] <EggSample> J/k
[02:57] <comets> regulya is banned here
[02:58] <EggSample> Who is this regulya?
[02:58] <comets> Banana! :P
[02:58] <EggSample> Mmmm banana
[02:58] <artistdesigner> everyone was just talking about this person a couple hours ago lol
[02:59] <EggSample> I see minions on my Chiquito banana stickers...
[02:59] <PontoCom_BR> comets and EggSample: a nickname I talked 2 days ago.
[02:59] <EggSample> But comets said they're blocked or banned or whatever
[02:59] <EggSample> So, who are they that theyre banned?
[03:00] <comets> both :P
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[03:00] <{Soap}> are you making fun of me? if so i dont mind
[03:00] <GorillaWarfare> EggSample: You can see on-wiki
[03:01] <PontoCom_BR> EggSample and artistdesigner: problems in the russian penis?
[03:01] <GorillaWarfare> ..?
[03:01] <git> what is even going on here
[03:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> even I do not now
[03:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *know
[03:02] <artistdesigner> I don't even care why they were banned, I just wanted to point out that it seems to be a common conversation topic
[03:02] <git> oh, i saw an extra "me" in GorillaWarfare's line which made it like 100x creepier
[03:03] <{Soap}> its just ponto repeating "reguyla is here?" every few hours. not really a conversation
[03:03] <GorillaWarfare> D:
[03:03] <git> like i thought someone was PMing her asking for pictures or something
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[03:04] <EggSample> Blocked users aren't allowed in IRC channels either?
[03:06] <GorillaWarfare> No, they are
[03:06] <PontoCom_BR> GorillaWarfare: [23:50] <EggSample> I had enough russiva penis painting talk in en-helpers (to scar me for life) today [23:51] <artistdesigner> russian penis painting? [23:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> uh oh
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[03:06] <GorillaWarfare> But they're removed from IRC channels if they're being disruptive, same as anyone else
[03:06] <git> if they weren't then like, half this channel would be gone
[03:06] <SigmaWP> Does nobody fucking speak French or German here
[03:06] <EggSample> PontoCom_BR: why do you want a banned user so much? I mean, if theyre not allowed here, why keep asking?
[03:06] <{Soap}> tu es fou
[03:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Do NOT highliht me unnecesarily
[03:07] <{Soap}> Du bist ein Ballettttruppenwarzenschnickenmesserschmidtdüsenkampfflugzeuge
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[03:07] <{Soap}> *Balletttruppen
[03:08] <EggSample> ToAruShiroiNeko: how do you highlight? Do you mean mention?
[03:08] <GorillaWarfare> git: Perhaps not half..
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[03:08] <EggSample> Sorry, don't understand all terminology yet in IRC
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[03:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> A highlight is when a persons nickname is mentioned.
[03:09] <EggSample> Ok i understand
[03:10] <PontoCom_BR> EggSample: sorry for my way of expressing. this will no longer happen.
[03:11] <EggSample> Thanks?
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[03:12] <{Soap}> i ♥ you all
[03:12] <git> GorillaWarfare: okay, slight hyperbole.
[03:12] <{Soap}> please dont ever change
[03:12] <PontoCom_BR> EggSample: ?
[03:13] <GorillaWarfare> git: :)
[03:13] <git> On a totally unrelated note. I just took the wrong round yellow pill
[03:13] <git> But it might be a better round yellow pill for this situation
[03:14] <artistdesigner> yellow pill 2.0
[03:15] <git> Within 30 minutes I'll probably be passed out
[03:16] <{Soap}> sweet dreams
[03:16] <git> Benzo sleep is the best sleep. Other than the amnesiac events that occasionally happen
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[03:23] <git> The fact that you have basically no anxiety during that period makes it worse
[03:23] <git> Some of the things I've said after taking some have been embarrassing, to say the least
[03:26] <git> Yay I killed the channel again
[03:27] <artistdesigner> in your defense, it just took me a while to pick a username
[03:29] <comets> which is?
[03:31] <artistdesigner> whoops well all my Big Lebowski references I thought of were already taken/too similar
[03:32] <{Soap}> if you *really* want a username you can still get it if the person who holds that name is inactive
[03:32] <EggSample> Usrpation nation!!!
[03:32] <comets> take soap, that account is rarely active :P
[03:33] <EggSample> Just don't drop that account?
[03:33] <EggSample> Sorry
[03:33] <EggSample> That was horrible
[03:33] <{Soap}> no its OK i knew i'd hear the same jokes a million times over when i took this name
[03:33] <EggSample> Ok
[03:33] <{Soap}> tjat was at least a new variation on it
[03:34] <artistdesigner> props, then
[03:34] <artistdesigner> *tennis clap*
[03:34] <EggSample> Least you have some kinda twisted cents of humor about it
[03:34] <artistdesigner> well some of them are just ~too similar~
[03:35] <artistdesigner> I mean the usernames not the soap jokes
[03:35] <EggSample> Both
[03:36] <artistdesigner> I'm a horrible person for laughing at this "In the news"
[03:36] <artistdesigner> Flooding in the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, kills at least 15 people and releases zoo animals into the streets.
[03:36] <EggSample> I had to get m6 account created for me because it was too similar to an inactive onw
[03:37] <EggSample> Well, literally middle of the night.  Sleepy time
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[03:39] <artistdesigner> g'night!
[03:41] <jorm> i need someone who can redact blp violations.
[03:42] <jorm> i have a gamergater doing the whole "drop blp violations on a talk page" thing going on.
[03:43] <jorm> (don't want to paste the diff into channel)
[03:43] <GorillaWarfare> Hi
[03:43] <GorillaWarfare> PM
[03:44] <jorm> hooray gorillawarfare!
[03:46] <artistdesigner> I had no clue gamergate was still making wiki controversy
[03:46] <jorm> ohyes.
[03:46] <jorm> all day, every day.
[03:48] <artistdesigner> wowwww
[03:49] <jorm> there's a new Arbitration Enforcement every week, seems.
[03:51] <artistdesigner> oh my god, wow
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[03:51] <artistdesigner> it's about ethics in encyclopedia editing.
[03:53] <jorm> exactly that.
[03:54] <jorm> here's someone trying to get to 500 by fucking with their user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/FDJK001&offset=&limit=500&target=FDJK001
[03:54] <jorm> it's a "viable" tactic to get to 500 and allow access through the Gamergate gate (hah! see what i did there?) because Handpolk did it and didn't get immediately blocked.
[03:55] <jorm> so until that happens (someone gets blocked for gaming the system), it's going to be the tactic.
[03:56] <GorillaWarfare> [[Gamergategate controversy]]
[03:56] <{Soap}> huh i just realize Maine is the Pine Tree State and Washington is the Evergreen State
[03:57] <jorm> I should totally write an article about Gamergate-gate.
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[04:04] <GorillaWarfare> {Soap}: Soon we will fight to the death.
[04:08] <artistdesigner> hahaha oh my goodness
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[04:17] <jorm> oakland going insane
[04:17] <elee> ? jorm
[04:17] <jorm> we just won nba champs.
[04:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> naming your land out of a tree is insane but do go on
[04:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> So...
[04:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> You are the champions, you are the champions, 'cause we are the loosers
[04:18] <Sir_Designer> jorm  been thar, done dat.    /me hides after meta-glating bulls and blackhawks
[04:18] <Sir_Designer> gloating *
�06[04:18] * ToAruShiroiNeko hands Sir_Designer a beer mug
[04:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer have you ever developed an app for apple phone?
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[04:18] <Sir_Designer> all glass is breakage
[04:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer all my beer mugs are made out of 1 inch thick titanium
[04:19] <Sir_Designer> I have, but I have not got one past the gatekeepers
[04:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I see
[04:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am trying to do something basic and am a but struggling :/
[04:20] <Sir_Designer> ToAruShiroiNeko  I only have one brain cell left, sorry.
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[04:26] <artistdesigner> ohhhhh snap
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[04:26] <artistdesigner> sorry Cleveland
[04:26] <artistdesigner> with your economy based on LeBron James
[04:27] <Sir_Designer> hey, it worked almost for indiana state
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[04:38] <SuicidalZerg> I find it somewhat amazing that I have been in this channel over 4 years after I officially retired... lol
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[04:40] <SuicidalZerg> https://youtu.be/QNyut2fgf5w?t=20s
[04:41] <Sir_Designer> SuicidalZerg we are your hotel california/family......
[04:41] <ObsequiousNewt> we are the staff of the hotel california
[04:42] <Sir_Designer> only those with um badges
[04:43] <SuicidalZerg> heh
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[04:45] <Sir_Designer> sing me a llulaby for me lonesome brain cell.... anyone?
[04:45] <GorillaWarfare> ...?
[04:45] <Sir_Designer> or a lua-by
[04:45] <Sir_Designer> something peaceful.
[04:45] <elee> rockaby Sir_Designer
[04:46] <elee> something about dreams
[04:46] <Sir_Designer> that's a start
[04:46] <elee> there aint any bed bugs
[04:46] <elee> and go the damn to sleep
[04:46] <elee> boom
[04:46] <elee> =]
[04:46] <Sir_Designer> bed bugs to bedbugzilla
[04:46] <elee> ++
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[05:01] <RegistryKey> HAH! Well here's one of the more odd uses of Wikipedia: guy uses a scale and some number he found somewhere on Wikipedia (or a wikia more likely) to figure the conversion rate from dollars to BOTTLECAPS and sent 7 1/2 years worth of the caps to Bethesda as "payment" for preordering Fallout 4
[05:01] <RegistryKey> http://geekologie.com/2015/06/smart-thinking-man-sends-2240-bottle-cap.php
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[05:24] <Oshwah> MikeV: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Brushwithrob1 - Low priority. Looks like childish stuff. Figured I'd let you know, though :-)
[05:24] <Oshwah> No real damage.
[05:28] <comets> xtools still kaput ;/
[05:29] <Oshwah> hi comets! Long time no see!
[05:29] <Oshwah> Yes, they still are. Been down all day.
[05:30] <comets> o/////////
[05:30] <Oshwah> Sad panda.
[05:32] <Oshwah> Why does my Fallout Shelter game keep crashing on my iPod?!!
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[05:48] <Oshwah> Any admins in here mind RPP'ing this article?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Walton
[05:48] <Oshwah> WP:VAND over and over by many IPs/
[05:48] <Oshwah> .*
[05:49] <elee> !admin RfPP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Walton
[05:50] <elee> Oshwah: looks like there's already a RPP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection
[05:51] <Oshwah> Yeah, it's been sitting for a few hours. No rush; I'll just keep an eye on the page until it gets done.
[05:51] <elee> reasonable - keep up the good work.
[05:51] <Shirik> elee: done
[05:51] <elee> <3 Shirik
[05:52] <elee> actually, Shirik could I bug you on another request? its about taking a deleted mainspace article and making a draft of it for AfC
[05:52] <Shirik> ok
�06[05:52] * JD|cloud pokes Shirik for something else
[05:52] <JD|cloud> (after you're done with that)
[05:52] <elee> wait, nevermind - looks like the user wanting help left.
[05:52] <elee> cheers!
[05:52] <Shirik> I saw that JD|cloud but I actually don't know how to handle that
[05:52] <Shirik> so I was hoping someone else would
[05:52] <Oshwah> Thanks Shirik!
[05:53] <Oshwah> Now to undo any leftover WP:VAND that wasn't removed.
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[05:54] <elee> !link [[User:Oshwah]]
[05:54] <elee> donde esta helpmebot
[05:54] <Oshwah> lol I'm here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Oshwah
[05:55] <Oshwah> No esta aqui!
[05:56] <elee> check your user talk buddy.
[05:58] <Oshwah> elee: Thank you, sir!
[05:59] <Oshwah> Appreciate the recognition :-)
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[06:10] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[06:11] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[06:15] <elee> bye.
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[06:25] <PontoCom_BR> elee: bye.
[06:25] <elee> PontoCom_BR: bye.
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[10:35] <goodoldgabe> BUY SKINS
[10:35] <goodoldgabe> NOW
[10:35] <goodoldgabe> BUY
[10:35] <goodoldgabe> BUY
[10:36] <goodoldgabe> PRE ORDER HALF LIFE 7862837593846
[10:36] <goodoldgabe> ITS COMIN OUT SOON
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[10:36] <goodoldgabe> NOT THIS IMPOSTER
[10:36] <goodoldgabe> I AM REAL GABEN
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[10:36] <goodoldgabe> NOW BUY SKINS
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[10:37] <leee> !ops
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[13:28] <SkywalkerKush> hello!
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[13:33] <Krauss64> Bones.
[13:34] <Krauss64> Was Inca Garcilaso de la Vega a real historian?
[13:34] <Krauss64> What do you think?
[13:34] <Krauss64>  
[13:34] <Krauss64>  
[13:34] <Krauss64>  
[13:34] <Krauss64>  
[13:34] <Krauss64>  
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[13:35] <Bsadowski1> ><
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[13:37] <SkywalkerKush> is this a legit discussion or an inside joke? it's hard for me to tell the difference on the wiki irc sometimes.
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[13:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wow
[13:54] <SkywalkerKush> what?
[13:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It almost feels like building worlds largest dam and flooding your arable land is a bad idea.
[13:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33160768
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[14:14] <SkywalkerKush> I thought the world's largest dam was in China
[14:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> well now it is
[14:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but for quite some time that title was owned by north korea
[14:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do you know their topography
[14:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> practically no arable land
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[14:16] <{soap|bed}> No wonder theyre starving
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[14:17] <{Soap}> not even like fish or something?
[14:17] <{Soap}> I know 19th century Ireland starved despite being surrounded by water on all sides
[14:17] <{Soap}> apparently they just didnt have enough fish to rely on
[14:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it isnt trivial to capture fish
[14:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> also how will you prepare it?
[14:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no electricity
[14:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no refregraiton
[14:18] <{Soap}> raw fish will do fine in an emergency
[14:18] <Bsadowski1> oh look it's {Soap}
[14:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it takes how long to get it to the people
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[14:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and how do you expect to feed millions all of a sudden
[14:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> particularly in hostile seas
[14:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Bsadowski1 yes wild {Soap} has appeared.
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[14:19] <Bsadowski1> \o/
[14:19] <{Soap}> maybe theycould convert some of the rice land into cow grazing pastures
[14:19] <{Soap}> eh
[14:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they have drought
[14:19] <{Soap}> probably not enough land to get much out of. theyd just be like a second Japan
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[14:20] <{Soap}> no, drought shouldnt be a problem. Cows'll do fine on land that gets like 4 inches of rain in the USA
[14:20] <{Soap}> but they do need a really huge amount of land
[14:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they cant grow anything
[14:20] <Bsadowski1> {Soap}: http://explosm.net/comics/3961/
[14:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> cows eat a lot more than that
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[14:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the only solution is they seek foreign aid
[14:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which they wont get
[14:21] <Bsadowski1> {Soap}: http://explosm.net/comics/3961/
[14:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Bsadowski1 you have a minute?
[14:21] <{Soap}> yeah i saw it
[14:25] <SkywalkerKush> ah, I understand.
[14:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> guess you are busy
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[15:06] <SkwlkrKush|Busy> yeah, I've had a bit of a household emergency I had to clean up
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[15:08] <SkwlkrKush|Busy> now I'm going to have to take care of my other daily tasks before I can spend any extended time focusing on my wiki edits & this chat room.
[15:09] <SkwlkrKush|Busy> for the next few hours, I'll probably be around sporadically, though
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[15:18] <darev> Hello!
[15:21] <{Soap}> hi
[15:21] <{Soap}> wb Skywalker
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[15:37] <Envigado> shouldnt?
[15:37] <Envigado> theyd?
[15:37] <Envigado> didnt?
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[15:38] <Envigado> {Soap}: How hard is it for you?
[15:40] <GorillaWarfare> Envigado: I see your quiet has expired..
[15:41] <{Soap}> how hard is it? hmm let me check
[15:41] <{Soap}> wait why are you curuious
[15:41] <Envigado> GorillaWarfare: I don't care if you quiet me.
[15:42] <GorillaWarfare> Envigado: You've already been warned by another op for the correcting; please stop it now.
[15:42] <Envigado> No. I will not stop. I am still so, and I will be so.
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[15:48] <{Soap}> again not that he bothers me personally. But it bothers other people apparently
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[15:55] <{Soap}> whoa. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/housewife definition 3
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[16:02] <git> Ironholds: your assistance is requested, regarding UK law.
[16:02] <Ironholds> oookay?
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[16:04] <Ironholds> git, what do you need?
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[16:18] <git> Ironholds: nevermind we figured it out
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[16:18] <git> we were arguing over what a public place was. and then if a house was a public place because the people allowed in are a section of the public
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[16:23] <Ironholds> ....
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[16:23] <Ironholds> a section of the public in the sense that you let anyone in or the sense that the meatbags who live there and their friends also go and live other places?
[16:24] <Ironholds> because "the public" is entirely contextual so if it's the latter: no. What?
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[16:25] <Ironholds> I'm going to assume that idea came from Qcoder
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[16:31] <GorillaWarfare> That's a quit message I haven't seen before.
[16:32] <foks> lol!
[16:32] <foks> That's amazing.
[16:33] <Cookies52> heh
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[16:37] <SkwlkrKush|Busy> stopped by just to say that is an awesome quit message
[16:41] <k6ka> seems like getting your own VPN to run a BNC yourself is a better option
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�01[17:44] <anonymous11> what happened to Damon Sicore?
�01[17:44] <anonymous11> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=globalauth&user=Jalexander-WMF&page=User%3ADamon+Sicore+%28WMF%29%40global&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=
[17:45] <AlexJFox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTr50aHGDnI
[17:45] <AlexJFox> tee hee
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�03[04:02] * Set by Glaisher!Philon@wikimedia/Glaisher on Tue Jun 09 10:07:33 2015
[04:02] #wikipedia-en url is https://en.wikipedia.org/
�05[04:03] -ChanServ- [#wikimedia-research] Welcome to the Wikimedia Research IRC channel.  The Science must flow.
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[04:15] <djr013> the "redirect image links to commons" gadget is still broken
[04:15] <djr013> anyone know what's going on with it?
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[04:16] <TheMesquito> djr013: What tool?
[04:17] <djr013> the "redirect image links to commons" gadget
[04:17] <djr013> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets
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[04:21] <tentacle_sex> hello
[04:21] <{Soap}> hi tentacle_sex
[04:21] <{Soap}> what do you do for fun ?
[04:22] <ZeroSerenity> I was spending the last twenty minutes shopping for a camcorder and my goodness are the offerings around $250 so...crap.
[04:25] <ZeroSerenity> One had a built in projector that doesn't work except in pitch black, another said "built in wifi" that it doesn't have, others had proprietary video formats and this last one was lacking all kinds of features.
[04:26] <SuicidalZerg> rofl {Soap}
[04:26] <ZeroSerenity> So I need some ideas on what to buy from Newegg totaling an additional $150...and four cents.
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[04:55] <raidex_>  Can anyone confirm which timezone is used in the naming of pagecounts stats files? I see  https://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-all-sites/2015/2015-06/pagecounts-20150623-000000.gz as the last file available, so it sounds like it's UTC and there is a lag of 3h in the feed. Thanks.
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[04:59] <comets> its always UTC..
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[05:17] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[06:13] <ZeroSerenity> Anyone still up?
[06:13] <hoybebovino> hi 0
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[06:14] <ZeroSerenity> Did you remember what I mentioned before about this odd piece of trivia that people wanted to insert into Xbox One's article?
[06:15] <{Soap}> not really, i think 2 discussions happpened at the same time and i folllowed the other one
[06:15] <{Soap}> i remember that there was a discussion though
[06:15] <ZeroSerenity> Turns out it was Canvased.
[06:15] <ZeroSerenity> Which is why I was wondering about sockpuppeting.
[06:16] <{Soap}> oh right
[06:16] <{Soap}> all those red guys
[06:17] <{Soap}> yeah not surprising
[06:17] <{Soap}> but still not avctual socks, right?
[06:17] <ZeroSerenity> http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3afp2y/xbox_one_wikipedia_page_now_has_a_section_that/
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[06:22] <comets> Little James Horner GONE!! :(
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[06:24] <Anna_Frodesiak> is this an advert?
[06:24] <Anna_Frodesiak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZPZ6O2DcWQ
[06:30] <ZeroSerenity> No. Its just an old ass elevator.
[06:30] <ZeroSerenity> Back before they had automatic doors and safety features. (I used to work for UTC, I know some elevator tech)
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[06:33] <Anna_Frodesiak> ah ok thanks
[06:33] <Anna_Frodesiak> i used to visit a government place where they pulled elevator cables till they broke
[06:34] <Anna_Frodesiak> they cut sections of mining cables and sank each end into a cone of liquid zinc then stretched it till it went boom really loud and shook the building
[06:34] <ZeroSerenity> Have to be up to a certain standard.
[06:34] <Anna_Frodesiak> i think 10x
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[06:37] <ZeroSerenity> With current generation hardware, if the power goes out/the cables snap the brakes go full force and hold position.
[06:37] <Anna_Frodesiak> i saw the design. it's pretty smart
[06:37] <Anna_Frodesiak> i think they demoed it when elevators first came out
[06:38] <Anna_Frodesiak> i remember the old black and white film
[06:38] <Anna_Frodesiak> now, glass bottom elevators, there's an idea!
[06:38] <Anna_Frodesiak> and make the shaft all lit up with flashing neon
[06:39] <ZeroSerenity> Ever been to the CN tower?
[06:39] <Anna_Frodesiak> yes
[06:39] <Anna_Frodesiak> i lived in to
[06:39] <Anna_Frodesiak> TO
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[06:39] <ZeroSerenity> They sorta had glass bottoms there.
[06:39] <Anna_Frodesiak> really? i don't remember that
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[06:39] <Anna_Frodesiak> it was ages ago, though
[06:39] <Anna_Frodesiak> i vaguely remember scratched up plexiglass
[06:40] <ZeroSerenity> Yeah. Even glass floors when you got to the top.
[06:40] <Anna_Frodesiak> yes, i think i remember that
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[06:47] <{Soap}> Toronto
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[06:57] <jubo2> g'morning piippöls
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[06:59] <{Soap}> hi jubatuba
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[07:10] <{Soap}> http://pre07.deviantart.net/489b/th/pre/i/2013/339/4/d/winnie_the_pooh_goes_to_jurassic_park_poster_by_yakkowarnermovies101-d6wvvbt.jpg
[07:12] <{Soap}> phony download
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[07:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> The governor of South Carolina has called for the removal of a Confederate flag from the state capitol's grounds.
[07:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> My god, am I dreaming? Is this real life?
�06[07:47] * ToAruShiroiNeko pinches you
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[12:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> May I ask who wrote [[Lead Forensics]]?
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[12:13] <Samwalton9> ToAruShiroiNeko, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lead_Forensics and then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Iwrite465
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[13:05] <iDM> kondi:  ping?
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[13:10] <iDM> another sigma bot?
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[13:22] <jubo2> ♪ ♫ cheezy bread is cheezy bread ♪ ♫ ...
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[14:00] <Qcoder00> Afternoon
[14:00] <Qcoder00> Anyone in?
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[14:02] <Penwhale> Qcoder00: it's morning, and maybe
[14:03] <Ironholds> maybe
[14:03] <Qcoder00> I wanted some advice on something
[14:03] <topaz> depends
[14:03] <topaz> "don't ask to ask"
[14:03] <Qcoder00> Linking to screecnshots on an inmage hosting site isn't WP:RS is ?
[14:03] <Qcoder00> *is it
[14:04] <Qcoder00> When the sites themselves could be found on Wayback?
[14:04] <topaz> I'm not sure that's the right question
[14:04] <topaz> the underlying material may or may not be a reliable source
[14:05] <topaz> linking to a screenshot of a reliable source that's hosted on photobucket is almost certainly a lousy way to cite the source
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[14:08] <Qcoder00> I was thinking IMgur actually....
[14:08] <Qcoder00> but :)
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[14:08] <Qcoder00> Thanks
[14:10] <Penwhale> well, dead links are always a problem
[14:11] <Penwhale> but stuff like "screenshotting a deleted tweet" is sometimes a necessary evil, for example.
[14:13] <topaz> yes, but a deleted tweet is rarely a reliable source either
[14:14] <topaz> and a lot of this depends a lot on the context - what's the claim we're sourcing? what do we need to establish? etc.
[14:14] <topaz> it's almost always better to cite a RS that talks about the deleted tweet than to link to some dodgy image hosting site with a picture of the tweet itself
[14:15] <topaz> and by "almost" I mean "I cannot think of any reason why we would want to link directly to some dodgy image hosting site with a screenshot of a deleted tweet"
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[14:16] <Penwhale> topaz: which is the RS using a screenshot to talk about the deleted content :p
[14:17] <topaz> was that a question or an addendum?
[14:17] <Penwhale> addendum :p
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[14:30] <iDM> Penwhale:  I feel like hugging you
�06[14:30] * Penwhale hugs iDM
�06[14:30] * iDM hugs Penwhale  
[14:30] <iDM> I haven't seen you in forever
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[14:32] <Penwhale> iDM: I have my degree now :p
[14:33] <iDM> And I am Canadian Penwhale
[14:33] <Penwhale> oh? :p
[14:36] <iDM> Penwhale: Still active on WoW?
[14:37] <Penwhale> I haven't played in a long while, sadly
[14:38] <iDM> Okay
[14:38] <iDM> You and I go way back.
[14:39] <Penwhale> :3
[14:40] <Penwhale> might be closer to 3~4 years I haven't played. I only played through parts of Wrath before RL things happened
[14:40] <iDM> Haha same
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[14:41] <Penwhale> if I re-up it's FF14 with some friends locally :p
[14:42] <iDM> Okay
[14:42] <iDM> I was playing Empire Strikes back
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[14:47] <iDM> Penwhale:  good to have you back
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�06[15:13] * iDM hugs iloverain  , “Urm. Put a shield on my saber I must”
[15:13] <iDM> druidd:  are you TheDruid
[15:13] <druidd> iDM: no sorry
[15:14] <iDM> Oh okay, well welcome druidd .
[15:14] <druidd> thanks
[15:14] <iDM> iloverain:  heatwave worse.. 700 died so far
[15:15] <iDM> druidd:  no worries.
[15:15] <iloverain> hi
[15:16] <iDM> Hello
[15:19] <topaz> mmmm, tornado conditions developing in central Massachusetts
[15:19] <topaz> good thing I worked from home today!
[15:19] <iDM> Lucky
[15:19] <iDM> How far are you from SAG
[15:20] <topaz> SAG?
[15:20] <iDM> The girls I knew called it , Smith College
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[15:21] <topaz> Smith is in Northampton, it's about 80 miles from where I live, give or take.
[15:21] <topaz> I went to Amherst, down the road from them
[15:21] <iDM> Awesome lucky you
[15:22] <iDM> Hope your prom went wlel
[15:22] <iDM> *well
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[15:23] <iDM> Caliburn: bonjour
[15:23] <Caliburn> Bonjour iDM :)
[15:24] <iDM> But, topaz  I should sleep dehydrated too.. heatwave sucks
[15:24] <iDM> I take the tornado
[15:26] <topaz> heat waves are awful and protracted.  I don't envy you.
[15:26] <topaz> on the other hand, a heat wave would not destroy my home.  so there's that.
[15:28] <iDM> Paints are falling though
[15:28] <iDM> It did kill my TV and other things
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[15:29] <iDM> laters topaz , stay safe
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[15:54] <k6ka> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Usernames_for_administrator_attention&diff=prev&oldid=668303753 lol, too many spammy usernames on it i guess
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[16:21] <MathCampbell> does anyone in here know about editing pictures?
[16:22] <MathCampbell> I tried to adda  new revision of a corporate logo (better quality), and it replaced it etc. but the article it was feautred in didn’t use the new version
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[16:24] <GorillaWarfare> MathCampbell: It probably just hasn't updated
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[16:25] <MathCampbell> shit, i already reverted
[16:27] <MathCampbell> well, it’s back now
[16:27] <MathCampbell> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inverclyde_arms.png
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[16:30] <geniice> png?
[16:30] <geniice> why no SVG?
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[16:34] <OrangeSuedeSofa> Is there a friendly admin willing to delete a file I just uploaded? I'll give details in msg.
[16:35] <geniice> 	OrangeSuedeSofa yes
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[16:37] <darev> Hello!
[16:37] <MathCampbell> cam I upload an SVG?
[16:37] <MathCampbell> would that be better?
[16:38] <topaz> there remains ongoing debate over whether and how SVGs can be used for fair use images
[16:38] <geniice> MathCampbell	mediawiki supports SVG
[16:39] <MathCampbell> how do I upload a new image?
[16:39] <MathCampbell> and should I delete the old one?
[16:40] <topaz> AFAIK the conventional wisdom at this point is that fair use works should be limited to relatively low-resolution images
[16:40] <topaz> so *if* you can generate an SVG that degrades at larger image sizes, it's probably okay
[16:41] <MathCampbell> hmmm, I drew the SVG
[16:41] <MathCampbell> it’s a coat of arms
[16:41] <MathCampbell> obviously I don’t have the rights to the coat of arms (the Council does)
[16:41] <topaz> right.
[16:41] <topaz> therefore we're using the image under the fair use doctrine
[16:41] <geniice> I'm not up on Scottish council level copyright
[16:41] <MathCampbell> but i drew one up since the existing image there was ttally shit (not to meniton incorrect)
[16:41] <topaz> geniice: nor am I
[16:42] <MathCampbell> well copyright wise I would think the image I drew is unique and different (in style) etc. from any other, so I can fair-use it
[16:42] <topaz> well, wait now.
[16:42] <iloverain> huh??
[16:42] <MathCampbell> a coat of arms itself is unique in that by law only the armiger can display it…but it’s allowed to display for reference..
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[16:42] <topaz> are you producing an image that's intended to replicate the coat of arms so people can see what the coat of arms looks like?
[16:42] <MathCampbell> the grant of arms is a description - it’s a written account fo what the arms should look like.
[16:43] <foks> If the CoA is old enough it might be PD
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[16:43] <foks> Aberdeen's coat of arms is public domain
[16:43] <MathCampbell> Or, on a base barry wavy Azure and Argent, a three-masted ship in full sail Proper, having for figurehead a lion rampant Gules, flying from the foremast and mizzenmast a streamer Gules, and from the main mast and jackstaff the banner of Scotland viz., Azure, a saltire Argent; in chief between two mullets of six points Sable pierced of the field, a hurt charged with a covered cup of the First.
[16:43] <foks> Though Aberdeen is somewhat older
[16:43] <MathCampbell> Above the Shield is placed a coronet appropriate to a statutory Area Council, videlicet: issuant from a circlet eight paling piles (three and two halves visible) Or and eight garbs (four visible) of the Last, banded Sable, and in an Escrol below the same this Motto "Meliora Semper Prospicimus".
[16:43] <geniice> iloverain	officialy a coat of arms is a written description. Since the text isn't protected by copyright any image generated from it shouldn't have an issue
[16:43] <topaz> foks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Inverclyde_arms.png
[16:43] <MathCampbell> that’s the “coat of arms”
[16:43] <MathCampbell> it’s not an image
[16:43] <topaz> geniice: ah, interesting
[16:44] <geniice> in practice I've never seen anyone work purely from the written text
[16:44] <foks> geniice, surely someone did at one stage
[16:44] <topaz> so.... you generated an image based on your own interpretation of the grant of arms, which isn't precisely the same as the coat of arms displayed by Inverclyde Council?
[16:44] <MathCampbell> in truth when I drew that up I used the previous burgh’s coat of arms illustration from http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/index.php?title=Inverclyde as inspiriation
[16:44] <MathCampbell> but it is visually distinct
[16:44] <geniice> October 3, 1996.
[16:45] <MathCampbell> ship is differnt, different crown, style etc
[16:45] <geniice> still a dirivative work
[16:45] <MathCampbell> well the original grant was 1975 i think
[16:45] <MathCampbell> no
[16:45] <geniice> Derivative work
[16:45] <MathCampbell> my artwork is drawn from scratch…i was “inspired” by the style of the original
[16:45] <foks> yeah, it's a derivative work, under US law
[16:45] <foks> can still be fair use though
[16:45] <geniice> eh got to go to work so will leave the question here
[16:46] <topaz> definitely a derivative work.
[16:46] <MathCampbell> how is it derivitive?
[16:46] <foks> I will say that Aberdeen's coat of arms is 10x cooler than Inverclyde's
[16:46] <MathCampbell> i, an artist, drew an artwork, which has a similar style to another one.
[16:46] <MathCampbell> yeah, it’s a shit coat of arms. Ugly
[16:46] <topaz> and you used that existing images as your guide.
[16:46] <topaz> (image)
[16:47] <topaz> I'm also going to wonder here what we're actually trying to illustrate
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[16:47] <foks> the coat of arms, obviously
[16:47] <MathCampbell> a similar style, but the style is heraldic…so it’s going to look the same
[16:47] <MathCampbell> the grant of arms is a textual description.
[16:48] <MathCampbell> the one the Inverclyde Council uses has a different ship I think…
[16:48] <topaz> foks: the current coat of arms?  or the previous one?  Or something halfway between the two?
[16:48] <MathCampbell> and funny scroll
[16:48] <MathCampbell> Current
[16:48] <foks> the current coat of arms, as granted in the 70s
[16:48] <MathCampbell> my design is based on teh current grant of arms
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[16:48] <foks> MathCampbell, honestly bud I'm not sure.
[16:48] <MathCampbell> technically, it was based on the 75 design, but granted in 95
[16:49] <topaz> then I think we should question whether a new image drawn "from scratch" but "inspired by" the existing coat of arms in use is an appropriate way to illustrate it
[16:49] <foks> I don't even know where you'd ask these questions :(
[16:49] <MathCampbell> so cut this down...
[16:49] <topaz> this whole thing seems like extremely slippery ground to me
[16:49] <MathCampbell> where do I upload an SVG
[16:49] <foks> If you're not sure on the copyright status I wouldn't just yet
[16:49] <topaz> +1
[16:49] <foks> but you upload it as you would any other image
[16:50] <MathCampbell> scottish copyright law…i own the drawing i did.  I couldn’t use or display it however because a coat of arms is only displayed by the owner under arms law (not copyright).  However, you are permitted to display it for reference
[16:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale hello
[16:50] <MathCampbell> how do I upload it
[16:50] <foks> Aye, but Wikipedia uses US law
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[16:50] <MathCampbell> (never had cause to upload one previously)
[16:50] <topaz> MathCampbell: under US copyright law, drawing a reproduction of a copyrighted image, using the existing image as inspiration, makes it a derivative work.
[16:51] <topaz> MathCampbell: I would not touch that with a ten-foot-pole.
[16:51] <foks> http://enwp.org/Special:Upload
[16:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Objection.
[16:51] <foks> och it's not that serious
[16:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Wikipedia doesnt just use US law
[16:51] <foks> it gets deleted
[16:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we observe laws of all countries\
[16:51] <foks> ToAruShiroiNeko, for images, it's generally US law
[16:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US law merely establishes the minimum level of restrictions we observe
[16:51] <MathCampbell> well, hold on…’cos there isn’t an original image...
[16:51] <topaz> ^^^
[16:51] <topaz> MathCampbell: you just said you used the previous coat of arms as your inspiration
[16:51] <foks> but yes, PD is different in other countries
[16:52] <foks> topaz, on wiki he means
[16:52] <foks> I imagine
[16:52] <MathCampbell> for the style of the sails
[16:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> foks I object.
[16:52] <foks> ToAruShiroiNeko, don't object
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[16:52] <MJ94> foks: wait! :P
[16:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> If a local country has a law preventing freeness of an image we do follow it, say how copyright in mexico lasts life+100 instead of +70
[16:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> foks I bet you object orient too.
[16:53] <foks> that's what I mean
[16:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hmmm.
[16:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> But you are right
[16:53] <foks> also the freedom of panorama mess
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we disregard UK law for instance for PD-old content
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I remember how we dealt with reconstructions of ancient works
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[16:54] <Qcoder00> Time to ditch Chrome - ? http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/23/google-eavesdropping-tool-installed-computers-without-permission
[16:54] <Qcoder00> at least until they fix an unintened glitch
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whereas they are are copyrighted in the UK, that doesnt carry to the US
[16:55] <MathCampbell> ookay
[16:55] <MathCampbell> either way, for reference, coats of arms aren’t considered copyright
[16:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is not that coat of arms aren't considered to be copyrighted
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[16:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is more about how coat of arms cannot be considered copyrighted
[16:56] <MathCampbell> in fact I’d imagine there’s a fair argument to make that a coat of arms cannot be copyrighted, because use of arms are covered by the Lyon King of Arms (and their special prosecutor)
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[16:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> MathCampbell the designs of coat of arms is described in pd documents
[16:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or the design itself is really old
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[16:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> usage of those thend to be very restircted but not copyrighted
[16:57] <Ironholds> MathCampbell, the Court of Chivalry deals with cases that violate the law of arms, not cases covering coats of arms
[16:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> should you print a t-shirt of it, you may be fined.
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[16:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not because of copyright though
[16:58] <Ironholds> the last time I heard of a big case on the law of arms was 1954 or so
[16:58] <MathCampbell> in scotland it’s the Court fo the Lyon King of Arms
[16:59] <iloverain> oh nice (and sorry for late reply). so basically you really can create a copy of an image of a coat of arms and not get it deleted as a copyvio
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[16:59] <foks> Qcoder00, that's Chromium, not Chrome
[16:59] <iloverain> and SVG would be the logical format for it
[16:59] <foks> Chromium is not distributed by Google
[17:00] <Qcoder00> Wouldn't suprise me if Chrome had a simmilar issue
[17:00] <Qcoder00> I ditched Chrome becaue Google Update was bandwith hogging
[17:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> MathCampbell bear in mind, we do not just recreate coat of arms via svgs
[17:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we do so by using the official descriptions typically
[17:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which describe rations etc of the designs
[17:00] <iloverain> the article says Chrome has it too, yes
[17:00] <Qcoder00> I wonder if Jimbo has a coat of arms?
[17:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> He doesnt
[17:00] <Qcoder00> (Or Wikimedia for that matter)
[17:01] <MathCampbell> well that’s what I did
[17:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he is many things, knighthood isnt one of them
[17:01] <MathCampbell> I took the original grant of arms
[17:01] <iloverain> and that what perople are upset about is that even spposedly innocent software like Chromium also records your conversations, as though its simply expected behavior for the monetized version called Chrome
[17:01] <MathCampbell> and drew up a design, based on that
[17:01] <MathCampbell> using commonly-held depictions of heraldic charges etc. as my basis
[17:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I cannot imagine feeling remotely vilated of my personal info being taken. NSA keeps a copy anyways, more the merrier
[17:01] <MathCampbell> eg. covered cups, 6-point stars, ships etc.
[17:02] <iloverain> i guess Im OK though because i have no microphone or webcam on my computer
[17:02] <iloverain> phone'll do it, though, uim sure
[17:02] <Qcoder00> I have to ask why on earth does Chrome?Chromium need this function...
[17:02] <iloverain> im just gonna stop speaking English
[17:02] <Qcoder00> OK Google ... Violate my privacy!
[17:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you cant escape microphones and cameras
[17:03] <Qcoder00> "I hate Bifg Borther! I Hate Big Brother!"
[17:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> OK google, bring me my NSA archive.
[17:03] <Qcoder00> :(
[17:03] <Qcoder00> ToAruShiroiNeko:  It's cheaper than Dropbox ;)
[17:04] <MathCampbell> anything I want to sned that’s secure I have encryption for
[17:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Objection. It isn't. NSACS inviolves a fairly large amount of subsidised government resources.
[17:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NSACS - National Security Agency Cloud Service
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[17:12] <Qcoder00> Cheap for the user not necessarily the provider
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[17:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> You do pay for it in tax
[17:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I suppose your tax is your subscription.
[17:14] <Qcoder00> Mandatory though
[17:14] <Qcoder00> So you might as well make use of it :)
[17:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Objection. You do not have to pay taxes. You can evade paying taxes.
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[17:39] <Qcoder00> Any article watchers about - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33243782 migth want to keep an eye on the peer concerned's article...
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[18:02] <[Crow]> Dao2K returns...
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[18:04] <midgetpower> In the 1990s, there was this TV channel called Nickelodeon which had a show where kids would answer questions or do stunts or something. I don't remember the details. I just remember how there was this fake volcano that would spew orange slime, and this pool of slime that they would repeatedly fall into and there would just be slime all over the place. I thought I'd easily find this on YouTube, but I've searched for hours and only found
[18:04] <midgetpower> weird clips that seem to have little to do with what I remember. Is "Gak" really the show I'm thinking of? Can you help me find specific footage of the volcano/slime pool?
[18:07] <[Crow]> Do you mean "Guts"?
[18:07] <[Crow]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickelodeon_Guts
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[18:11] <midgetpower> [Crow]: Well, from what I can see on YouTube, the footage of Nickelodeon Guts has no slime at all in it.
[18:11] <Finnegan> Double Dare also used stunts and various types of slime and goop
[18:12] <midgetpower> They had many similar shows, it seems?
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[18:13] <midgetpower> This is strange. I thought I'd find this easily.
[18:13] <midgetpower> Did I just dream it all?
[18:13] <[Crow]> Guts had a giant mountain. Might be the same prop?
[18:14] <iloverain> oh hi i loved those old kids shows
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[18:14] <iloverain> GUTS probably had slime in it, but the rest of your description doesnt match.  It was definitely 100% athletic
[18:15] <iloverain> Double Dare sounds more like what you saw
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[18:15] <[Crow]> Was it any of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Nickelodeon_Network_Game_Shows
[18:15] <iloverain> ive never heard of GAK as a TV show.  Its a toy company that makes slime
[18:15] <iloverain> oh wow that temple thing
[18:15] <midgetpower> Hmm.
[18:16] <iloverain> i loooooooved that show above all the others. but Im almost sure that isnt what youre thinking of either
[18:16] <iloverain> it was also 100% ahletics, or pretty close
[18:16] <Finnegan> the Temple one is internet-famous nowadays for being so godwful impossible
[18:16] <midgetpower> This is frustrating.
[18:16] <iloverain> I think Double Dare matches best with waht youre saying, other than i dont specifically remember it having a volcano
[18:17] <iloverain> but they mightve done that in some episodes that i either dont remember or never saw
[18:17] <midgetpower> I even think the pool was in connection with the volcano/mountain.
[18:17] <iloverain> also could itr be this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickelodeon_All-Star_Challenge
[18:17] <iloverain> it seems that they made a one-off show that merged all the others
[18:17] <Finnegan> ok now this is ringing bells in the back of *my* head, but I still can't place it...
[18:17] <midgetpower> None of the clips I find on YouTube seem to be matching my memories at all.
[18:19] <[Crow]> Slime Time Live?
[18:19] <[Crow]> The problem is Nick was so slime obsessed, it could be anything :P
[18:20] <midgetpower> :P
[18:20] <iloverain> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slime_Time_Live <--- huh, i dont remember thgat at all.  it looks like it was on too late for me to be still intersted
[18:21] <Bsadowski1> I remember that
[18:21] <Finnegan> hm Legends of the Hidden Temple had a pool, but it was water, not green slime
[18:21] <Bsadowski1> Soap, where have you been?
[18:21] <iloverain> but yeah i never realized how much slime there was in basically everything. even their logo is slime
[18:21] <iloverain> Bsadowski1 eh?
[18:22] <Bsadowski1> And yeah, I remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Pick_Live also
[18:22] <Bsadowski1> I was a teen then.
[18:22] <Bsadowski1> Watched Nick and stuff :P
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[18:24] <Bsadowski1> Meh, that was a fun show. Where the viewers would choose which cartoon to air.
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[18:25] <Bsadowski1> I can't believe that was 10 years ago. :(
[18:25] <midgetpower> I swear. There was this studio, and a big hard-plastic volcano with orange slime in it, and a pool with either orange or green slime beneath.
[18:25] <midgetpower> And the kids would answer questions or try to do some sort of minor obstacle course and they'd get "punished" by getting slimed.
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[18:26] <midgetpower> I half-remember there being an outright "slime war" at the end of the show.
[18:26] <midgetpower> Maybe I've been watching too many Splatoon gameplay videos, but I even vaguely recall them using "slime guns".
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[18:33] <iloverain> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1qplDLj2RE&t=14m52s  midgetpower
[18:33] <iloverain> its the closest match i can find. an "athletic" kids show where they take breaks in the middle to throw slime at each other
[18:33] <Bsadowski1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrcCI_haea4
[18:34] <Bsadowski1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTTK6mpIzMk
[18:34] <Bsadowski1> Heh
[18:35] <Bsadowski1> Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe
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[18:36] <iloverain> actually, no
[18:36] <iloverain> Im still going with Double Dare
[18:36] <iloverain> the volcano must just have been a temporary thing that i never saw
[18:38] <midgetpower> iloverain and Bsadowski1: None of those three videos match. Sorry. :(
[18:38] <midgetpower> Hmm.
[18:38] <midgetpower> Maybe it was a temporary/special show.
[18:38] <midgetpower> I never had the channel at home. I only watched it a few times in a different country (satellite).
[18:39] <iloverain> http://doubledare86.webs.com/obstaclecourse.htm says that the show did have a volcano at least, though I cant find it on YouTube either
[18:40] <foks> ha, webs.com
[18:40] <Bsadowski1> Match what, midgetpower?
[18:40] <Bsadowski1> Cartoon Network had a similar show
[18:41] <Bsadowski1> Cartoon Cartoon Friday's
[18:41] <Bsadowski1> http://cartoonnetwork.wikia.com/wiki/Fridays_%28Cartoon_Cartoon_Fridays%29
[18:41] <Bsadowski1> That was a good programming block they had
[18:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hmm
[18:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why are we discussing blocks?
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[18:48] <midgetpower> "Mount Saint Double Dare
[18:48] <midgetpower> This was a small slippery volcano which exploded as players climbed it. The contestant had to climb to the top and grab the flag in the crater."
[18:49] <midgetpower> Can't find footage of it, though.
[18:49] <midgetpower> As usual, only garbage videos on YT
[18:51] <foks> midgetpower, I'm almost certain you're talkinga bout Get Your Own Back
[18:51] <foks> Or something similar
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[18:51] <foks> though that was kids v parents
[18:52] <foks> and was british
[18:52] <foks> though there was a slime pool
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[18:55] <iloverain> Double Dare seems to have been a highly variable show, so that may account for why none of the videos of it have what you remember
[18:55] <Bsadowski1> foks
[18:55] <Bsadowski1> y u so foks like
[18:57] <[Crow]> Guy Foks?
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[19:09] <iloverain> on wiktionary apparently people mark userpages patrolled over and over, noit just once?
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[19:09] <iloverain> and apparently mainspace pages too
[19:09] <iloverain> that seems weird
[19:10] <iloverain> https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=patrol&user=&page=User%3ASoap&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_tag_log=1&hide_thanks_log=1
[19:10] <k6ka> i'm guessing because it's each individual edit that gets marked as patrolled, not an entire page like enwiki
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[19:11] <iloverain> yeah
[19:11] <iloverain> but but  but whyyyy?
[19:11] <iloverain> Im sure they have a reason
[19:11] <iloverain> that would be a ridiculously huge backlog if we did it here. perhaps we wanted to at some point, but realized it was impossible
[19:12] <k6ka> on slower paced wikis Special:Recentchanges looked a bit like Special:Newpages
[19:12] <k6ka> unpatrolled edits were highlighted while patrolled edits weren't
[19:12] <k6ka> the idea is that a patroller, once they identified an edit as being constructive, they would mark it as patrolled so other people won't waste time checking it
[19:13] <k6ka> it's hopeless on enwiki since recent changes is so busy
[19:13] <k6ka> it's pointless on quiet wikis too
[19:13] <k6ka> so there has to be an odd balance for such a tool to be effective
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[19:15] <iloverain> ok
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[19:22] <haunted331> Hi.
[19:22] <iloverain> hi
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[19:26] <iloverain> i scared him off
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[19:34] <iloverain> kigigi
[19:37] <midgetpower> foks: AH!
[19:37] <midgetpower> foks: That might actually be it: https://youtu.be/gFmg_8sEofc?t=978
[19:38] <midgetpower> It looks familiar, but *still* not the mental image I had when I started asking about this.
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[19:40] <iloverain> but they keep saying "gunge" lol
[19:41] <iloverain> i'd have thought i'd remember that. but then again the Nickelodeon videos hardly ever ues the word "slime", it's always "GAK" and i didnt remember that at all
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[19:41] <iloverain> so maybe it really was that
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[19:50] <midgetpower> Hmm...
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[19:55] <iloverain> http://catalog.fborfw.com/indexbooks.php?q=straw&Submit=Search
[19:55] <iloverain> amazing
[19:56] <iloverain> a webcomic that actually lets you browse through all the strips without having to click through 365 advertisements, one for each day
[19:56] <iloverain> even better it looks like if i wanted to, i could just click "save page" and get roughly a month at a time
[19:57] <iloverain> and even better than THAT is that its one of the extremely few comics that has its entire history online .... there are others, such as Garfield, but those have the most annoying ad setups of all
[19:58] <iloverain> especially if browing on mobile, where once in a while ad loads that just occupies the whole screen and i think it must have a "resfresh" function that prevents you from backing out of i
[19:58] <iloverain> you all have seeeeeeen that im sure
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[20:12] <iloverain> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nazi_Obama_welcomes_new_baby
[20:12] <iloverain> *yawn*
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[20:16] <midgetpower> So I just watched Mean Girls, and I'm trying to find out what drugs Lindsay Lohan took.
[20:17] <midgetpower> Why would they make such a big deal out of that?
[20:17] <KimiNewt> stop making fetch happen
[20:17] <midgetpower> You prefer wget?
[20:17] <GorillaWarfare> Perhaps not a conversation for this channel
[20:17] <midgetpower> Perhaps it *is*.
[20:18] <KimiNewt> [[Mean Girls]]
[20:18] <KimiNewt> is fetch a utility on OSX or something? never heard of it
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[20:19] <KimiNewt> FreeBSD hmm
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[20:19] <KimiNewt> speaking of which, how does one patch kde2 under freebsd?
[20:19] <KimiNewt> also check out this hilarious gif I found http://media.giphy.com/media/5X7GDf7zc1Ebu/giphy.gif
[20:20] <jorm> the ally mcbeal baby.
[20:20] <jorm> well. it was dancing baby first, and then it got on ally mcbeal.
[20:20] <KimiNewt> is ally mcbeal the one with the lawyers or the vampires
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[20:21] <jorm> lawyers.
[20:21] <jorm> or maybe vampires?
[20:21] <jorm> same thing.
[20:21] <jorm> oh, hey!  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_baby
[20:22] <iloverain> yes i rtemmeber an argumentin hjigh school over that
[20:22] <iloverain> i have no idea how i knew, but iu was insistent that Ally McBeal didnt invent the dancing baby and all the female students insisted that they did
[20:23] <SigmaWP> I should write a script that goes through each character I type and has a 20% chance of replacing it with a randomly selected character neighbouring it on a dvorak keyboard
[20:23] <KimiNewt> Why was this a phenomena, seriously?
[20:24] <KimiNewt> Did this make people laugh at some point? I lived in the 90s! This isn't funny at any decade
[20:24] <GorillaWarfare> SigmaWP: Is that meant to improve or worsen your spelling? :P
[20:24] <KimiNewt> I can't think of a meme more dull than the dancing baby thing
[20:25] <jorm> it was one of the first viral image things. before viral videos.
[20:26] <jorm> right up there with the hamster dance.
[20:26] <KimiNewt> Hamster dance I remember
[20:26] <KimiNewt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3G5IXn0K7A
[20:26] <KimiNewt> Funny, accidentally bookmarked the page
[20:26] <KimiNewt> that has more value than dancing baby
[20:28] <KimiNewt> It's funny that you start to equate the song's sounds with a hamster, even though a hamster sounds ntohing like that
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[20:32] <iloverain> yeah i think the canding baby was popular because there was basically nothing else
[20:33] <iloverain> Ally McBeal was a rare exampole of a TV show that mixed real people with animations
[20:33] <iloverain> I dont really know if those two things are related or not
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[20:39] <foks> ally mcbeal was before my time
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[20:42] <iloverain> not before my time, but i guess i was in a weird group of people in high school that liekd TV shows aimed at adults
[20:43] <iloverain> Seinfeld was definitely cross-generational, buit a lot of others reallt werent
[20:44] <foks> I've not seen Seinfeld either
[20:46] <iloverain> i like Curb Your Enthusiasm even better than Seinfeld. but its aimed at a much narrower group of people
[20:46] <iloverain> and Im not even sure its airing on TV anymore here
[20:46] <iloverain> I'd have to buy Hulu or something
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[20:55] <Peter-C> The moment you find double spacing after period in an article
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[20:57] <iloverain> oh you dont like double spacing?
[20:58] <iloverain> i think MediaWiki, like HTML in general, autoamtically compresses double spaces to single
[21:02] <Peter-C> Double spacing is the bane of my existence.
[21:03] <Ironholds> that's it? wow. you have a cushy life
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[21:05] <Peter-C> I know, right?
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[21:08] <GorillaWarfare> Peter-C: Drives me nuts too
[21:08] <GorillaWarfare> And then if I add something they end up all uneven...
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[21:08] <Peter-C> Funny story. Whenever that happens I flip a desk.
[21:08] <Peter-C> It is getting to be a REALLY expensive problem.
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[21:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> GorillaWarfare you mean you arent nuts already? :p
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[21:13] <GorillaWarfare> More nuts?
[21:17] <IDoH> More nuts! *throws walnuts at everyone*
[21:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Not walnuts
[21:18] <foks> Deez nuts?
[21:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nut_(hardware)
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[21:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_nut :D
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[21:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that article is dismal
[21:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am disapointed
[21:19] <GEOFBOT> it doesnt even have {{stub}} smh
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[21:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> does it qualify as a stub
[21:20] <GEOFBOT> I would say so. it's miniscule
[21:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it should be merged to nut hardware
[21:20] <GEOFBOT> fixed
[21:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that actually needs content you know
[21:21] <Symmachus> ToAruShiroiNeko: "Stub" is subjective, and depends on the editor. But I would say "yes", and most emphatically.
[21:22] <iloverain> seriously>>>
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[21:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> stubs are overrated
[21:22] <Symmachus> If it's not going to be merged, it should have a hatnote for "acorn" as well.
[21:23] <iloverain>  yeah
[21:26] <GEOFBOT> hatnote added
[21:26] <iloverain> oh hi
[21:26] <iloverain> are you Hydrox?
[21:26] <GEOFBOT> on some sites, yes
[21:26] <iloverain> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/hydrox <-- i guess hmm that must be a separate person
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[21:26] <GEOFBOT> I'm Sn1per on WP
[21:27] <GEOFBOT> (see my cloak)
[21:27] <iloverain> anyway nice to meet you
[21:27] <GEOFBOT> nice to meet you too
[21:28] <iloverain> it looks like you tried to use the name GEOFBOT here too way back when but we didnt like it
[21:28] <iloverain> here being the wiki
[21:28] <GEOFBOT> yea :P
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[21:28] <iloverain> and also, yeah, i see it now, "hydrox1de" is obviously not named after the cookie
[21:30] <iloverain>  In 1908, the creators of the cookie were looking for a name that would convey "purity and goodness."[2] Since water is known for those qualities, they developed the name from the elements making up a water molecule. Market research later determined that the name was not well received and was more evocative of cleaning solutions than cookies.
[21:30] <iloverain> ^^^^^totally agree
[21:30] <GEOFBOT> TIL that there was an oreo-lookalike before oreos
[21:30] <iloverain> that was a bad idea., even if they had stuck with soimething more natural sounding, who'd buy a cookie named after water?
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[21:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> challenge of the night: Make [[Acorn nut]] a featured article
[21:32] <GEOFBOT> that would be fun
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[21:38] <iloverain> in a day ? lol.  no.  but i could try andi mprovei t i suppose
[21:39] <iloverain> reminds me of competitions at work where thje goal is to sell the worst product in the store
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[21:39] <iloverain> e.g. at my old job, trying to sell an obviously malfunctioning TV set, with no warranty
[21:40] <iloverain> but t hat ewasnt taken seriously
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[21:40] <iloverain> real world examples would be e.g. telemarketing where you go try to sell a $2 bottle of gelatin for $40 saying itll cure obesity
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[21:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> iloverain it will
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[21:51] <iloverain> well
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[21:51] <Qcoder00> Amortias: Busy?
[21:51] <iloverain> there are good arguemnts for it, yes
[21:51] <iloverain> but i dont believe them
[21:51] <Amortias> Qcoder00: not sure yet, checking e-mails as just got in
[21:52] <iloverain> diet pills that are 100% hoaxes dont survive long. its the ones that are in the gray area where it cant be disproven, but is cheap enough to produce that basically any price can turn a profit, that do the best
[21:53] <Qcoder00> You don't call them diet pills
[21:53] <Qcoder00> you call them slimming supplements and you don't evenn have to test them :(
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[21:54] <iloverain> do you guys have Lipozene in the UK?
[21:55] <iloverain> theyre the biggest ones in the US, but there are probably fifty other companies producing basically the exact same thing
[21:55] <iloverain> "Scientists have discovered a capsule that can actually reduce your body mass"
[21:55] <Amortias> capsule full of cyanide witll reduce your body mass over 4-6 months
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[21:56] <iloverain> my mom says teenage girls were eating basically trhe same thing back in the 1960s but  back then it was cheap because people didnt realize they could make pills out of it
[21:57] <iloverain> before you could just swallow the gelatin and it would blow itself up like a balloon only when it reached the stomach acids
[21:57] <iloverain> so it was like pennies a day
[21:57] <iloverain> now it's a pill that contains the same stuff for 100X the cost because its "medicine"
[21:57] <Qcoder00> You can still but the gelatin cheapyl though right?
[21:58] <iloverain> i dunno
[21:58] <iloverain> i never asked what the actual intended use for the gelatin was
[21:58] <iloverain> if it was actually intended for that purpose all along, its probably off the market
[21:59] <iloverain> if it has some other official use, then yeah its probably still available somrwhere
[21:59] <GorillaWarfare> Gelatin is still on the market...
[21:59] <Amortias> commonly branded as jelly
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[21:59] <iloverain> well
[21:59] <NotASpy> used as a bulking agent and to form the capsules on other drugs.
[22:00] <GorillaWarfare> And for cooking
[22:00] <iloverain> there was something special about it i think that made it expand up like a balloon, thus making your stomach think that it's full.  Kinda sad that people jhave to do thjat, but i digress.  Nowadays Lipozene is doing basically the exact samre thing
[22:00] <GorillaWarfare> https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Gelatin#Uses
[22:01] <iloverain> actualkly yeah it looks like it was just konjac all along
[22:01] <NotASpy> what's with the new URL thingy, btw ?
[22:01] <iloverain> that makes sense why people talk about "gelcaps"
[22:01] <GorillaWarfare> With "?title" you mean?
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[22:02] <iloverain> NotASpy: heh, yeah, i noticed too
[22:02] <iloverain> i like it
[22:02] <NotASpy> yeah, I notice some results on Google now use it, others use the /wiki/Gelatin URL
[22:02] <iloverain> 14 years is long enough, i think, to be displaying that old "didnt you mean to add /wiki ???????" page
[22:02] <Ironholds> also ?title=foo works just as well
[22:03] <Ironholds> in fact index.php?title=foo is the default for MW installs with CGI support
[22:06] <iloverain> any tornadoes today??
[22:06] <GorillaWarfare> So far so good
[22:06] <Ironholds> iloverain: apropos username
[22:07] <NotASpy> replaced by Typhoons...
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[22:07] <iloverain> thank you
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[22:22] <IDoH> SigmaWP: FYI, lowercase sigmabot III crashed at 4ish UTC two days in a row
[22:22] <SigmaWP> Who says it crashed
[22:22] <IDoH> The contributions page.
[22:23] <SigmaWP> Insufficient evidence to merit investigation
[22:23] <IDoH> Why so?
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[22:24] <IDoH> SigmaWP: You're supposed to want to know when these sorts of things happen so you can fix whatever is going on.
[22:24] <SigmaWP> IDoH: Okay
[22:24] <SigmaWP> IDoH: Contributions page indicates that it was editing up until the Charleston shootings
[22:24] <IDoH> So why aren't you doing anything?
[22:24] <IDoH> Yeah, and then what do you think happened?
[22:24] <SigmaWP> Which looks perfectly normal, as I've noticed a trend where the page archived last is the page that most recently had the template
[22:24] <SigmaWP> What do YOU think happened?
[22:25] <SigmaWP> Can you prove that it's not archiving other pages with the template?
[22:26] <IDoH> Well, there's a time when it didn't edit my talk page for a couple days even though there was qualifying threads.
[22:27] <IDoH> SigmaWP: So what's going on?
[22:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Proof: You want proof? You cannot handle the proof.
[22:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Or was that the truth
[22:27] <SigmaWP> IDoH: I'm working on it
[22:28] <IDoH> ok
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[22:36] <haggis> SigmaWP: bit fiesty there
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[22:39] <SigmaWP> IDoH: Undo the most recent edits lcsb made to your talk page and talk archive
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[22:43] <Oshwah> Hi everyone!
[22:45] <iloverain> hi
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[22:57] <GEOFBOT> Trying to learn emacs navigation keys
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[23:06] <IDoH> SigmaWP: Done
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[23:21] <SigmaWP> GEOFBOT: the only ones you need to know are ctrl+x ctrl+c and "vim"+enter
[23:21] <GEOFBOT> lol
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[23:24] <SigmaWP> Keilana: Hey, why doesn't anyone just tell mareklug to fuck off when he creeps on people
[23:27] <Keilana> because a lot of women are socialized to be nice
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[23:37] <IDoH> because it'll only serve to agitate him
[23:37] <SigmaWP> Agitating him is fun
[23:38] <SigmaWP> So is being non-nice to non-nice people ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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[23:39] <GorillaWarfare> SigmaWP: Some of us have
[23:39] <SigmaWP> I don't mean the "hey I have ops, stop it"
[23:40] <SigmaWP> I don't think I've seen anyone just straight up tell him to shut it
[23:40] <GorillaWarfare> Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it hasn't happened
[23:40] <SigmaWP> So then what happens?
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[23:43] <GorillaWarfare> Hm?
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[23:45] <GorillaWarfare> heya MJ94
[23:45] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare: how are you?
[23:45] <GorillaWarfare> Not bad, yourself?
[23:45] <MJ94> Doing well!
[23:45] <MJ94> :)
[23:46] <GorillaWarfare> :)
[23:46] <SigmaWP> GorillaWarfare: What happens when you tell him to stop
[23:46] <SigmaWP> in a forceful way
[23:46] <MJ94> Got back from SF yesterday
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[23:46] <GorillaWarfare> SigmaWP: He did, at least to me. I haven't seen him continue here
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[23:46] <SigmaWP> wut
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[23:48] <GorillaWarfare> ?
[23:48] <SigmaWP> [16:45:49] <GorillaWarfare> SigmaWP: He did, at least to me. I haven't seen him continue here <-- what's this in response to
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[23:48] <GorillaWarfare> "What happens when you tell him to stop in a forceful way"
[23:48] <GorillaWarfare> He did [stop]
[23:48] <SigmaWP> Ah.
[23:48] <SigmaWP> > tells him to stop
[23:48] <SigmaWP> > he stops
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[00:09] <krauss64> Hi
[00:09] <krauss64> Anybody there?
[00:10] <[Crow]> Hypothetical: Would it be considered a threat to suggest to GG that I would meet any attempted stalking with a blinding barrage of gunfire?
[00:10] <krauss64> Can Is be?
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[00:11] <[Crow]> Purely hypothetical of course
[00:11] <MikeV> yes, it would.
[00:11] <[Crow]> Ok, won't do that then
[00:11] <[Crow]> Hypothetically
[00:11] <[Crow]> :)
[00:12] <krauss64> Is it healthy do die?
[00:12] <[Crow]> It happens to every healthy person so, I'm gonan say yes
[00:13] <[Crow]> gonna*
[00:13] <krauss64> Of course. When you're dead, you can't be sick.
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[00:13] <[Crow]> Just ask Jim Fixx (q.v.)
[00:13] <[Crow]> Ok that wasn't nice
[00:13] <[Crow]> :(
[00:13] <krauss64> Sometimes, I think that people only join Wikipedia so people can see how many articles they created and how smart they are.
[00:14] <krauss64> I have a question. Does anybody know anything about an operating system called Unununium?
[00:14] <[Crow]> Some people do equate quantity of (x) with quality, so....
[00:15] <[Crow]> I know Unununium as a chemical element
[00:15] <[Crow]> Not an OS tho
[00:16] <[Crow]> What we called "element 111" back in "the day"
[00:16] <[Crow]> Back when it was theoretical and I've just dated myself
[00:16] <krauss64> The operating engine
[00:17] <krauss64> I am creating a page about it. A page was already created, but deleted back in 2007.
[00:17] <krauss64> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unununium_(operating_system)&action=edit&redlink=1
[00:18] <[Crow]> Is it notable?
[00:18] <[Crow]> even 8 years later
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[00:18] <krauss64> It is.
[00:19] <[Crow]> Has it been discussed by several sources unrelated to it?
[00:19] <krauss64> I want to restart the project
[00:19] <krauss64> I found  a lot about it on Archive.org
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[00:19] <[Crow]> I would recommend starting it as a draft, so (barring copyvio or attack) it doesn't get prematurely deleted
[00:20] <krauss64> https://web.archive.org/web/20040126210110/http://unununium.org/
[00:20] <[Crow]> Draft:Unununium (operating system)
[00:21] <[Crow]> That's a primary source
[00:21] <[Crow]> Any secondaries?
[00:21] <krauss64> What do you mean?
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[00:21] <[Crow]> Primary source = things they say about themself
[00:21] <krauss64> Oh
[00:21] <[Crow]> secondary = things others say about them
[00:21] <[Crow]> Secondary is what WP needs to have
[00:22] <krauss64> So that is why it has been deleted
[00:22] <[Crow]> If nobody else is talking/writing about it, then it won't last as a WP article
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[00:22] <[Crow]> yes
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[00:22] <krauss64> Neverthless, I have already created the article in Catalan, and articles about it in Czech and Spanish exist.
[00:23] <[Crow]> Sources don't have to be english on enwiki, as long as they are reliable
[00:23] <[Crow]> [[WP:RS]]
[00:24] <krauss64> Maybe someone doesn't want us to know about Unununium
[00:24] <krauss64> I must get the patent
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[00:25] <[Crow]> Patent is a primary source too
[00:25] <krauss64> But, except for forums or Yahoo answers, there are no 2ary sources!
[00:26] <[Crow]> Well unfortunately that suggests it does not meet enwiki's standard for inclusion
[00:26] <krauss64> But it is a revolutionari OS
[00:26] <krauss64> *revolutionary
[00:26] <[Crow]> That may very well be
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[00:27] <krauss64> It has already artucles in many languages
[00:27] <krauss64> *articles
[00:27] <[Crow]> "Notability" is a term-of-art on enwiki that has nothing to do with importance or significance, but means "have many other quality sources written about it"
[00:27] <[Crow]> If no, then.... no
[00:27] <krauss64> Somebody is behind this.
[00:28] <krauss64> Unununium.org is dead
[00:28] <krauss64> Somebody killed the page
[00:28] <[Crow]> It's nothing personal I assure you
[00:28] <[Crow]> Or even Unununium-specific
[00:29] <krauss64> And what secondary sources could be used? I could just write somthing random anywhere and use it as a source.
[00:29] <[Crow]> See WP:RS on enwiki for what is considered reliable
[00:29] <krauss64> Thanks
[00:30] <[Crow]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources
[00:30] <krauss64> Could I be banned forever if my article is deleted?
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[00:33] <[Crow]> Nah you'll just get some automated notices
[00:33] <[Crow]> Only if it gets deleted and you persist on re-adding the same thing
[00:33] <[Crow]> Thats why a draft is better
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[00:52] <Oshwah> Hi everyone!
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[01:05] <Schroeder> A SUN CAME
[01:05] <Schroeder> also
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[01:05] <Schroeder> "notability" is fucking stupid
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[01:05] <Schroeder> the only thing that matters is demonstrable existence
[01:05] <Schroeder> if it exists, and you can prove it exists, it's article-worthy
[01:06] <foks> A Sun Came is a really poor album
[01:08] <iloverain> hi Kmweber
[01:08] <GorillaWarfare> Schroeder: My right big toenail exists... would you argue we should have an article on that?
[01:08] <GorillaWarfare> I could send in a photo and everything
[01:09] <git> are body parts considered a living person?
[01:09] <git> i'm guessing not
[01:09] <GorillaWarfare> I'm going to go with no..
[01:09] <Monty845> [[GorillaWarfare's right big toenail]]
[01:09] <GorillaWarfare> Monty845: Disambiguation would be a nightmare
[01:09] <Schroeder> yes
[01:09] <Schroeder> we should
[01:09] <Schroeder> it exists
[01:10] <GorillaWarfare> Schroeder: Damn
[01:10] <iloverain> you guys remember "Barack Obama's ears", right? or whatever it was
[01:10] <GorillaWarfare> That would be a lot of serverspace
[01:10] <McMatter> Without notability we might as well be wordpress or facebook
[01:10] <Keilana> GorillaWarfare: but then Octavia could have an article :P
[01:11] <git> i think that only notable users should be allowed to have userpages.
[01:11] <[Crow]> I bet there's no article at [[Crow]]
[01:11] <[Crow]> :P
[01:13] <McMatter> git : your saying we should get rid of user pages?
[01:13] <McMatter> you're*
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[01:14] <git> only for non-notable people.
[01:14] <McMatter> If they are notable then wouldn't they have an article?
[01:14] <{Soap}> thats sort of like how it was way back a million years ago when wikipedia was just getting started
[01:14] <{Soap}> there was no userspace
[01:14] <{Soap}> everyone had their "user page" in mainspace
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[01:16] <McMatter> I do think userpages should be noindex by default, but I have no issues with user pages
[01:17] <[Crow]> Yes!
[01:17] <[Crow]> And (personally) article space should be noindex'ed until patrolled
[01:17] <[Crow]> Some people spam their ad, knowing it will be CSD'd but that the google cache persists much longer
[01:18] <McMatter> yeah
[01:18] <Schroeder> userspace is great, and should basically be unlimited with what you can keep in it
[01:18] <Schroeder> with the exception of building articles
[01:18] <Schroeder> building articles should take place in mainspace and mainspace only
[01:18] <[Crow]> or draftspace
[01:18] <Schroeder> anything else defeats the whole purpose of a universally-editable wiki
[01:18] <Schroeder> no
[01:18] <Schroeder> no separate space
[01:18] <Schroeder> mainsapce only
[01:18] <Schroeder> that way, maximum eyes
[01:19] <McMatter> I agree with draft space
[01:19] <GorillaWarfare> Schroeder: In that case shouldn't we just have one wiki
[01:19] <[Crow]> that also limits the amount of incremental development that can be done
[01:19] <GorillaWarfare> Instead of thousands if not more specialized wikis (WMF and toherwise)
[01:19] <[Crow]> granted new page patrol in draft space is gow-awfully full of ads, but it is noindexed so no harm
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[01:40] <{Soap}> [[Michelle Obama's arms]]
[01:40] <{Soap}> thats what it was. though i couldve srown barack had a page too
[01:41] <{Soap}> maybe we could makle [[List of U.S. presidents by size and prominence of ears]] or something
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[01:43] <GEOFBOT> How is elephpant pronounced ?
[01:44] <Monty845> el-a-fant
[01:44] <GEOFBOT> no, the php mascot
[01:44] <Monty845> no idea lol
[01:45] <GEOFBOT> ell-eph-pent ? ell-eh-P-H-pent ?
[01:45] <Penwhale> el-ef-pant is how I'd do it
[01:46] <{Soap}> "Ellie"
[01:47] <haggis> hey {Soap}
[01:47] <{Soap}> hi
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[01:58] <Oshwah> Hi {Soap}!
[01:58] <Oshwah> Long time no chat!
[01:58] <git> i'm likely going to be in Portland for OSCON if anyone wants to meet a real git
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[01:59] <Oshwah> Portland, OR. Good stuff.
[01:59] <Oshwah> Gotta love downtown Portland.
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[02:25] <SkywalkerKush> I just didn't select the "Select tool"
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[03:00] <Raymie> Anyone willing to give me some quick 1 or 2 minute advice?
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[03:04] <Raymie> Should I get rid of the US station lists on the Mexico TV station list articles (eg Texas in [[Television stations in Tamaulipas]])?
[03:04] <Raymie> They’re going to be hard to update, they dilute the focus of the article...
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[03:18] <Sir_Designer> Bsadowski1 ping
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[03:24] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
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[03:29] <SkywalkerKush> hi
[03:30] <SkywalkerKush> hi PontoCom
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[04:18] <Sir_Designer> {soap|bed} are you bedded to sleep or perchance to dream?
[04:18] <PontoCom_BR> SkywalkerKush: hi.
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[04:20] <{soap|bed}> not feeling well
[04:21] <{soap|bed}> i slept from 7pm to 10pm or so and im going just to "rest" now
[04:21] <Sir_Designer> milk and cherries kind of thing?
[04:21] <{soap|bed}> dont know what that means sorry
[04:21] <{soap|bed}> im going to try to gfet to a dcotor because ive been this for a long time
[04:21] <Sir_Designer> upset tummy, most cases
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[04:23] <comets> old age perhaps..
[04:23] <Sir_Designer> old age is today's youth!
[04:24] <Sir_Designer> today's youth is today's unemployed.
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[04:27] <Sir_Designer> comets I thought you would find this poignant: ppl up and down central Illinois are drinking Fiji water. They don't have roofs over their houses, but they got Fiji.
[04:28] <{soap|bed}> there was a tornado i assume?
[04:28] <Sir_Designer> 2 or more counties declared disaster areas.
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[04:30] <comets> cause Fiji Water makes everything better (Y)
[04:30] <Sir_Designer> it's sure to be in the square bottle.
[04:30] <RenRenJuan> central illinois means like springfield, decatur?
[04:30] <Sir_Designer> bit more north, north central
[04:31] <RenRenJuan> that's what I think of as central, my father was from springfield, my mother clinton
[04:31] <{soap|bed}> i wonder what pre-modern NAtive Americans thought of tornadoes
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[04:31] <Sir_Designer> yes.  the tornados hit south of I-80
[04:32] <RenRenJuan> same as other primitve peoples
[04:32] <RenRenJuan> some personified force
[04:33] <Sir_Designer> Illinois is a peculiar trap delineated by the great rivers.
[04:34] <Sir_Designer> in fact, the Illinois Indiana border is completely artificial
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�06[04:34] * RenRenJuan thinks of it as a flat place full of the most consanguous jesuslanders
[04:35] <RenRenJuan> *consanguineous
[04:36] <{soap|bed}> illinois is pretty liberal now, although that miught just be because Chicago is so large
[04:36] <RenRenJuan> that's what it is
[04:36] <RenRenJuan> once you get outside chicago it's all red
[04:36] <Sir_Designer> well, it is very fiscally red and socially blue
[04:36] <RenRenJuan> although my parents were from downstate, i was born and grew up in chicago
[04:37] <RenRenJuan> sometimes I would be sent to springfield
[04:38] <RenRenJuan> my grandfather was supposedly in the klan, which in it's second and major resurgence was centered in indiana
[04:38] <Sir_Designer> remember, Illinois fought with the North, against Missouri and Kentucky
[04:38] <RenRenJuan> so?
[04:38] <Sir_Designer> no dixie flags to remove in IL
[04:39] <RenRenJuan> there's an implicit misunderstanding there about why the civil war was fought
[04:39] <RenRenJuan> it's true it was about slavery
[04:39] <RenRenJuan> but the people in the north didn't fight to free the slaves
[04:40] <RenRenJuan> they fought to keep their territories all white
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[04:40] <RenRenJuan> some sure but abolitionists tended to be upper class
[04:41] <Sir_Designer> but Underground Railroad was a Cincinnati and Chicago and Peoria thing
[04:41] <RenRenJuan> anyway jesusland is more or less culturally homogenous
[04:41] <RenRenJuan> wow
[04:41] <RenRenJuan> the underground railroad mostly had to go here
[04:42] <RenRenJuan> the us canadian border
[04:42] <RenRenJuan> because slaves that escaped the south could still be recaptured
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[04:42] <RenRenJuan> unless they crossed the international border
[04:43] <RenRenJuan> and as 12 years a slave shows
[04:43] <RenRenJuan> even free born blacks could be enslaved
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[04:46] <Sir_Designer> well, i need to nurse my bum shoulder into sleeping.  this operation cries for morphine, alas none to be had. ;)
[04:47] <Raymie> Quick question: Should I get rid of the US station lists on the Mexico TV station list articles (eg Texas in [[Television stations in Tamaulipas]])? They’re horribly out of date and a link to the appropriate list might be better
[04:48] <RenRenJuan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford ; Raymie I don't think you have to ask to do that
[04:48] <Raymie> I’m only asking for advice
[04:49] <Sir_Designer> Raymie you have to assess the goodness of partly misleading info against dearth of any info.
[04:49] <Raymie> Well it’d be replaced with a link to a list of stations in Texas
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[04:49] <Sir_Designer> sounds reasonable to me
[04:51] <Sir_Designer> albeit Mexican stations bordering New Mexico and Arizona might be out of luck there
[04:52] <Sir_Designer> or California
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[05:02] <Raymie> No, I adapted it to the appropriate states
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[05:02] <Raymie> For instance Arizona has a link to the Sonora and BC ones
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[05:04] <Raymie> In one case the article size dropped 8,000 bytes when the lists were removed
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[05:04] <Sir_Designer> then you are good to go, as they say in Greater Wisconsin ;)
[05:10] <RenRenJuan> http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16964783
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[05:10] <Chess> Idea: arbcom betting pool
[05:11] <Sir_Designer> limp biscuit.
[05:12] <Sir_Designer> why is ArbCom at all interesting?
[05:12] <Chess> This'll make it interesting
[05:12] <Chess> Put five dollars down on LB getting banned
[05:13] <Sir_Designer> no, interesting is over the top conversations in the shadow of a kick that we have here nearly daily.   betting on boring, not so much.
[05:14] <Chess> £10 on "super Mario" being mentioned once in a serious AUSC case
[05:14] <Sir_Designer> goodnight Irene.
[05:14] <Chess> shadow of a kick?
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[05:14] <RenRenJuan> LB?
[05:15] <Sir_Designer> yeah, when Finnegan muscles on, definitely. ;)
[05:15] <Chess> the light breather arbcom case
[05:15] <RenRenJuan> ah
[05:15] <Chess> What is the shadow of a kick?
[05:15] <Chess> Is that an expression?
[05:15] <RenRenJuan> just that
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[05:15] <Sir_Designer> an impending kick
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[05:15] <Chess> but it's wikipedia
[05:15] <Sir_Designer> lame
[05:15] <Chess> It's only bans
[05:16] <Sir_Designer> wikipedia is content
[05:16] <RenRenJuan> it's coherent English, well it was, impending is impeding, that would be like foreshadowing
[05:16] <Chess> oh you're talking about IRC
[05:16] <Sir_Designer> yeah
�06[05:16] * Chess makes an ISIS joke
[05:16] <Chess> I got muted
[05:16] <Chess> For that once
[05:16] <RenRenJuan> yeah ISIS is not funny
[05:17] <Chess> Don't know if it was the topic or if it was just a shit joke
[05:17] <Chess> yeah ik its ISIL now
[05:17] <RenRenJuan> maybe they will be after they're gone
[05:17] <Sir_Designer> Isis is Egyptian goddess aka Dawn the Rosefingered
[05:17] <RenRenJuan> that' Eos
[05:17] <RenRenJuan> s
[05:17] <Sir_Designer> nope
[05:18] <Chess> Put €15 that carolmooredc doesn't get her first unblock request accepted
[05:18] <Sir_Designer> RenRenJuan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis
[05:18] <{soap|bed}> huh?
[05:19] <{soap|bed}> oh wow lol
[05:19] <{soap|bed}> a block with an HHVM tag on it
[05:19] <{soap|bed}> 08:43, 1 December 2014 Ks0stm (talk | contribs | block) blocked Carolmooredc (talk | contribs) with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation blocked) (Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Interactions at GGTF#Carolmooredc banned) (unblock | change block) (Tag: HHVM)
[05:19] <{soap|bed}> thats hilarious to me for some reason
[05:19] <{soap|bed}> and yeah, i forgot she got blocked
[05:19] <{soap|bed}> Came as a sureprise to me
[05:20] <Chess> Explains why Jay-Z isn't that much of a Christian
[05:20] <RenRenJuan> Sir_Designer, neither rose nor dawn occur in that article
[05:20] <Chess> He's too busy watching the throne
[05:20] <Chess> ayy
[05:20] <Chess> {soap|bed}: She's never getting unblocked
[05:20] <RenRenJuan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eos OTOH
[05:20] <Chess> {soap|bed}: see the crap she posts offwiki
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[05:21] <Sir_Designer> RenRenJuan gosh.  You are right.  I have been deluded on this score for decades.
[05:21] <Chess> Basically she just says the other editors in the case were harassing her and got off with slaps on the wrist
[05:22] <RenRenJuan> isis sounds a lil like eos
[05:22] <Sir_Designer> eesys
[05:22] <{soap|bed}> im pretty sure Isis is a girl's name
[05:23] <Sir_Designer> but Eos is a Hellenic name.  What is the Egyptian equivalent?
[05:23] <{soap|bed}> yeah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis_(disambiguation)#People
[05:23] <{soap|bed}> they must all be angry now
[05:24] <{soap|bed}> the way women named Katrina were in 2006
[05:24] <{soap|bed}> 2005 actually
[05:24] <Sir_Designer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_goddess
[05:25] <Sir_Designer> no Egyptian equivalent.  Maybe it does not dawn in the frigging Egypt!
[05:25] <{soap|bed}> on the other hand, most people seem to pronounce ISIS and Isis differently
[05:28] <RenRenJuan> in most cultures the sun is male
[05:28] <Sir_Designer> RenRenJuan {soap|bed}  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausos
[05:28] <Sir_Designer> "One of the most important goddesses of reconstructed Proto-Indo-European religion is the personification of dawn as a beautiful young woman. Her name is reconstructed as Hausōs (PIE *h₂ewsṓs- or *h₂ausōs-, an s-stem), besides numerous epithets."
[05:28] <RenRenJuan> looks like that's gonna get wiped when the right editor gets wind of it
[05:29] <Sir_Designer> that sounds almost damn straight as Isis.
�06[05:29] * RenRenJuan is not that editor
�06[05:29] * RenRenJuan is the user Lycurgus, for disclosure
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[05:30] <RenRenJuan> (  仁 人 卷 )
[05:31] <Sir_Designer> well, I am what my cloak says: mareklug / Marek Wojciech Ługowski (Lugowski)
[05:32] <RenRenJuan> well yello and howdy doody!
[05:32] <Sir_Designer> ;)
[05:34] <Sir_Designer> night night.  RenRenJuan, {soap|bed} , it was fun.  Chess, I don't find wiki drama fun or even stomachable. ;)  Peas.
[05:34] <{soap|bed}> see you later
[05:34] <Chess> I have an idea
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[05:34] <Chess> Eric Corbett flavored cake!
[05:35] <Chess> Now you can stomach wikidrama!
[05:35] <{soap|bed}> the sun is male in most IE lgnauges but not Germanic
[05:35] <{soap|bed}> 'or Lithuanian
[05:35] <SigmaWP> RenRenJuan: who are you?
[05:35] <Chess> he is ren ren Juan
[05:35] <RenRenJuan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lycurgus
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[05:36] <Symmachus> Nuclear peptide cake with mint frosting.... Mmm.
[05:36] <Symmachus> *Nucleopeptide
[05:36] <Symmachus> Oops.
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[05:37] <ZeroSerenity> https://twitter.com/owillis/status/613567825098244097
[05:37] <Sir_Designer> Chess, Symmachus you know how you are supposed to add "in bed." to every proposition?  Think "tiramasu" instead, and I will eat the cake.
[05:37] <Sir_Designer> tiramisu?
[05:38] <Chess> Eric Corbett tiramisu
[05:38] <Sir_Designer> as good as eaten
[05:38] <Chess> in a food truck
[05:38] <Chess> ON WHEELZ
[05:38] <Sir_Designer> now, that's Dr Seuss
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[05:39] <Chess> green eggs and ham
[05:39] <Sir_Designer> ...tiramisu
[05:39] <Chess> there is a "your mom" joke in there
[05:40] <Chess> somewhere
[05:40] <Chess> oh lol I got it
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[05:40] <Sir_Designer> one can base an entire cosmology in a well-made batch of tiramisu ice cream.  Think Village Creamery, Niles IL
�06[05:40] * Symmachus does not think he has ever had tiramisu.
[05:41] <Sir_Designer> Symmachus set sail for thtese parts!
[05:41] <Chess> idk what is tiramisu
[05:42] <Symmachus> It's entirely possible I've had it, and didn't realise I was eating it.
[05:42] <Sir_Designer> again, accept no inferiorities.
[05:42] <Symmachus> Chess: It's a type of coffee cake, if I remember correctly.
[05:42] <Sir_Designer> best served cold
[05:42] <Chess> oh I don't drink coffee
[05:42] <Sir_Designer> you can eat it though.
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[05:43] <Chess> Why don't you just get a frappucino?
[05:43] <{soap|bed}> coffee cake isnt actually made from coffee, right? its a cake you eat with coffee
[05:43] <Sir_Designer> paltry choice
[05:43] <Sir_Designer> it has ladyfingers for cakiness
[05:43] <Symmachus> Reading about it now, it sounds like the taste would be a bit of a mix between a Boston Cream pie and standard coffee cake.
[05:44] <{soap|bed}> ok well it has 2 meanings apparently
[05:44] <{soap|bed}> coffee cake n. 1) A cake meant to be eaten with coffee.  2) A cake made of coffee.
[05:44] <Chess> Spooky
[05:44] <Sir_Designer> made into an icecream flavor, and done well, it is another heaven.
[05:44] <{soap|bed}> tirarmisuy is the former type i think though
[05:45] <Chess> I would rather have a steak
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[05:45] <{soap|bed}> nope, not made of coffee
[05:45] <Chess> big slab of meat is better than cake for me
[05:45] <{soap|bed}> hmm hey look a coffee cup
[05:45] <Chess> I hate cake
[05:45] <Sir_Designer> i hate cake is like my own i hate games
[05:46] <{soap|bed}> and therer's a coffee shop in the next building. i wonder if they'd mind if i took one of their chairs and ate it bit by bit
[05:47] <Sir_Designer> if you compensated it for eating that, perchance they might feature it.
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[05:49] <{soap|bed}> i was werong. Tiramisu in fact contains actual coffee, or at least some forms of it do
[05:52] <Sir_Designer> Yesterday (last evening, as it is past 00 hours here) I stopped at VC in Niles and had 2 steam breads Filipino style, and 2 scoops of: tiramisu and espresso with bitter chocolate chips.
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[06:18] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[06:27] <{soap|bed}> i love ponto
[06:28] <{soap|bed}> all he ever says is hello and goodbye
[06:28] <{soap|bed}> and for a while "reguyla is here?"
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[06:31] <SigmaWP> He speaks Portuguese.
[06:32] <SigmaWP> Funnily enough he's in -fr as well
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[06:38] <Schroeder> PENIS
[06:40] <Symmachus> Schroeder: How lovely for you.
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[06:42] <Schroeder> FALLOPIAN TUBE as well, of course
[06:42] <Schroeder> we can't forget FALLOPIAN TUBE
[06:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US 'spied on French presidents' - Wikileaks says bbc
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[06:46] <{soap|bed}> Schroeder im just curoous what brought you back to our channel after such a long sleep?
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[06:47] <{soap|bed}> in fact i kind of suspect Im one of the few who even remenbres you, despite this channel being mostly composed of old timers who were here in 2008
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[06:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Old timer from 2008? Bah!
[06:47] <{soap|bed}> yes you were dfeeinitely here beforee me
[06:48] <{soap|bed}> with different namr tyhough
[06:48] <{soap|bed}> (but so was i)
[06:48] <{soap|bed}> pleaeese cuse bad typing
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[06:49] <{soap|bed}> had to clear log file
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[06:50] <Schroeder> {soap|bed}: why the hell not?
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[06:51] <{soap|bed}> ok
[06:51] <{soap|bed}> welcome back
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[07:01] <Schroeder> anyway
[07:01] <Schroeder> time to make lunch
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[07:34] <{soap|bed}> hmm if countries extend their claims in the arctic we could have a quadripoint up there
[07:34] <{soap|bed}> Russia-Norway-Canada-USA (Alaska)
[07:34] <IDoH> {soap|bed}: What's a quadripoint?
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[07:36] <ZeroSerenity> Uh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POoulF8e_18
[07:38] <{soap|bed}> oh i forgot about Greenland
[07:39] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadripoint#Four-nation_quadripoints
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[07:55] <Schroeder> gah
[07:55] <Schroeder> why haven't we abolished private property in the means of production yet?
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[11:18] <Qcoder00> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11695345/Freedom-of-panorama-EU-proposal-could-mean-holiday-snaps-breach-copyright.html Someon going to start making some noise?
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[11:23] <Qcoder00> https://juliareda.eu/2015/06/fop-under-threat/
[11:24] <NotASpy> lots of noise already being made. The Commons people have been pushing various politicians directly for a while now.
[11:27] <Qcoder00> Good
[11:28] <Qcoder00> It;s a shame the French and Italians aren;t prepared to reform their laws in pursit of harmonisation
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[11:49] <Qcoder00> Not A Spy : WP:POINT Aside.... I'm sorely tempted if this No Fop in Europe thing passes to DR the Rechistag images on a technicality
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[11:55] <Qcoder00> Already cleaning out images of Disneyland Paris by filing Dr's
[11:55] <Qcoder00> at Commons
[11:55] <iDM> Heh, more Wikileaks
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[11:57] <Qcoder00> Not ASpy
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[11:57] <Qcoder00> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ShakespeareFan00
[11:57] <Qcoder00> Shall I continue?
[11:57] <iDM> Jurassic World sets new record by hitting $1bn fastest
[11:57] <iDM> Damn, my ISP blocked Wikipedia again
[11:58] <iDM> Yes
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[12:02] <Qcoder00> Oh yes
[12:02] <Qcoder00> Just tagged an Image of Russavia's ;)
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[12:02] <Qcoder00> That will provoke a reaction XD
[12:02] <iDM> You're deleting User:Russavia 's uploads?
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[12:06] <iDM> Qcoder00: Why are Euro Disney pics being deleted for
[12:06] <Qcoder00> No FoP in France
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[12:06] <iDM> ok
[12:06] <Qcoder00> And I am evaluting carefully
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[12:22] <iDM> Damn, I could use a drink today like hell
[12:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 isnt Disneyland an independent nation? :p
[12:24] <Qcoder00> Nope
[12:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Actually I am curious if we can treat the FOP issues like that
[12:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the original design is a copy of the US disneyland, no?
[12:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Would a recent copy of the effiel tower enjoy the same copytight as a unique work?
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[12:28] <iDM> You owe me bro
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[12:30] <Schroeder> I really need to fnisih this bottle of Jim Beam...
[12:30] <iDM> ToAruShiroiNeko:  I was debating if Dolly could be a sugar mama with someone for 2 hours
[12:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hello there
[12:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> who is dolly?
[12:32] <iDM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_Parton
[12:32] <iDM> She owns a theme park
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[12:35] <iDM> Winds, rain cool southern Pakistan after heat wave kills at least 749
[12:35] <iDM> What the hell, I am living here.. and dont see any rain
[12:35] <Penwhale> where are you living now again, iDM?
[12:35] <iDM> Penwhale:  KARACHI, Pakistan - Wind from the sea and pre-monsoon rains cooled southern Pakistan on Wednesday, likely marking the end of a scorching heat wave that killed at least 749 people, authorities said.
[12:41] <iDM> ToAruShiroiNeko:  seen Kimi lately?
[12:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Kimi?
[12:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hello Penwhale
[12:42] <iDM> KimiNewt was it
[12:43] <iDM> I am getting too old for this.
[12:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oh
[12:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am unsure
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[12:48] <iDM> Well.. be back in August
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[13:40] <Qcoder00> NotASpy: Do you know anyways of making a point on Wikipedi without actually violating POINT?
[13:41] <NotASpy> what's this in connection with ?
[13:41] <Qcoder00> the FoP thing
[13:41] <Qcoder00> I was considering for example notfying everyone on English Wikipedia/ Commons that's taken a photo of a tube station that there images could be removed if an EU decision goes a particular way
[13:41] <NotASpy> see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Blacked_out_versions_of_images_relying_on_FoP
[13:42] <Qcoder00> Great
[13:42] <Qcoder00> BUT i am still going to start up on my idea with tube stations
[13:42] <Qcoder00> There's a siszable enough enthusiast community that they might get pissed enough to act :)
[13:43] <Qcoder00> No-one blanked the RTechistag
[13:43] <Qcoder00> *Reichstag?
[13:43] <Qcoder00> (Which for these pruposes IS a modern deisgn)
[13:48] <Qcoder00> I'm sorley tmepted to blank images of EU parliment buildings..
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[13:49] <Qcoder00> Also where is that has definite no photo signs for buildings?
[13:49] <Qcoder00> (Sweden?)
[13:50] <Qcoder00> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Swedish_protected_compound_sign.PNG
[13:51] <Qcoder00> Anyone here want to knock up an equivalent?
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[14:05] <The_Photographer> some way for import deleted files in commons to english wikipedia like fair use?
[14:08] <Schroeder> why, in 2015, do we still have private property in the means of production?
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[14:44] <krauss64> Anyone here?
[14:44] <GorillaWarfare> Yep
[14:44] <Qcoder00> Erk - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/24/verizon_outage_engulfs_new_york_like_a_chitauri_fleet_fix_not_assembled/
[14:45] <Qcoder00> A storm can shut down the phones in New York?
[14:45] <Qcoder00> Something must have gone wrong...
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[14:46] <foks> Either that or NY is still using phonelines from the 60s
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[14:48] <Qcoder00> ?
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[15:12] <carlos06012003> hola
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[15:13] <{soap|bed}> Verizon is pretty good
[15:13] <JeDa> why canaimeros is joining here
[15:14] <JeDa> s/is/are
[15:14] <{soap|bed}> when hurricane Sandy hit that same part of the country, they wheeled in their temporary cellphone towers to keep the network alive even when electricity was out
[15:14] <{soap|bed}> I dont know why they werent able to do that this time
[15:14] <Qcoder00> Conspiracy!!
[15:14] <{soap|bed}> but in general, yeah, a storm can knock out cellphone networks, since they run on electricity like eveyrthing else
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[15:15] <{soap|bed}> generally the response is that they have low-power gasoline-powered things that they use for a short time until the electricity comes backj
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[15:23] <artistdesigner> hi
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[15:31] <Howicus> !admin would someone please block Viperlornareurnagaink?  Vandal, claiming they have made accounts before and threatening to do so again.
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[15:32] <Howicus> Thank you Yunshui, if Yunshui's in here
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[15:42] <CyanoTex> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act
[15:42] <CyanoTex> The cleanup tag is still there?
[15:42] <CyanoTex> Wow.
[15:44] <foks> the article hasn't been edited at all since March.
[15:44] <foks> And before that, since December.
[15:45] <foks> So not entirely sure why you're surprised
[15:46] <topaz> CyanoTex: that's nothing. Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_October_2006
[15:46] <CyanoTex> ...
[15:46] <CyanoTex> No words.
[15:46] <topaz> basically, yeah.
[15:47] <foks> moral of the story: lazily slapping tags on shit doesn't work.
[15:48] <CyanoTex> Watch your language, please.
[15:52] <{soap|bed}> yeah that does sound kind of messy
[15:52] <{soap|bed}> i would at least put on gloves
[15:52] <git> yeah, watch your foking language foks
[15:52] <foks> I'm foking sorry.
[15:53] <foks> For foks sake.
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[15:56] <SkywalkerKush> SO MANY OLD UNSOURCED ARTICLES
[15:57] <SkywalkerKush> I mean I /could/ help fix that, but like
[15:57] <git> {{prod}}
[15:57] <git> all of them
[15:58] <SkywalkerKush> my activity on Wikipedia is right now heavily focused on some immensely specific things.
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[16:08] <Qcoder00> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33252828 And how many portestors suffered abuse BBC?
[16:08] <Qcoder00> There's always a story we don't hear
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[16:12] <foks> At the hands of police you mean?
[16:12] <foks> Maybe it's zero?
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[16:14] <Qcoder00> Does Wilikleaks count as WP:RS?
[16:14] <Qcoder00> I am about to sart removing it on the grounds that it's not verifiable by other osources
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[16:16] <foks> It's a primary source
[16:16] <foks> (Assuming you're talking about their leaks)
[16:17] <Qcoder00> OK
[16:17] <Qcoder00> Doees it meet WP:RS criteria?
[16:17] <Qcoder00> I don't think it does
[16:17] <foks> We usually discourage primary sources.
[16:17] <Qcoder00> because it's unverfiable as to the authenticity of the documents it contains
[16:17] <Qcoder00> So I'd be justified in removing it?
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[16:18] <foks> I'm not 100% sure.
[16:18] <Qcoder00> Thanks
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[16:25] <kelapstick> Qcoder00: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links/Perennial_websites#Wikileaks
[16:25] <Qcoder00> Thanks
[16:26] <Qcoder00> I will assume that it's policy not to remove links until there's an actul ruling the content is illegal
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[16:29] <SkywalkerKush> I mean, for the article, it's probably best not to rely too much on the Wikileaks document instead of reporting and analysis of the leaked document anyways
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[16:35] <topaz> Qcoder00: I think it depends on what its sourcing
[16:36] <topaz> Qcoder00: because if it's something like "in 2011, Wikileaks released a document they claimed to be yada yada yada," I'd consider a link to the document on wikileaks to be a reasonable source
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[16:59] <Cookies52> Hey, anyone quickly able to delete something for me please?
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[17:00] <wmwhe> !ops !admin fuck you with love, geo23
[17:00] <legoktm> <3 you too
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[17:00] <jzteplt> !ops !admin fuck you with love, geo23
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[17:00] <zujjz> !ops !admin fuck you with love, geo23
[17:00] <Cookies52> LOvely day, isn't it :)
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[17:00] <{soap|bed}> i love you too
[17:00] <jbdav> !ops !admin fuck you with love, geo23
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[17:00] <@Hoofdconducteur> Thank You Gijs
[17:01] <@Hoofdconducteur> Folks
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[17:01] <@Hoofdconducteur> Argh you get the picture
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[17:01] <legoktm> he's in #wikipedia now
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[17:02] <@foks> Ugh. This will be noisy.
[17:02] <Cookies52> now -help...
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[17:02] <Monty845> someone should poke the freenode ppl
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[17:02] <foks> think that's them all.
[17:02] <{soap|bed}> i wonder what happened
[17:02] <foks> SORRY GUYS.
[17:02] <{soap|bed}> usually he's only mildly annoying
[17:03] <foks> he found a way
[17:03] <Cookies52> Monty845, one step ahead of you there :)
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[17:04] <Cookies52> Now there mode spamming me ;p
[17:04] <{soap|bed}> i dont know wwhat that means
[17:05] <Cookies52> as in, messages into my console and version checking me....
[17:05] <{soap|bed}> ok
[17:05] <{soap|bed}> you can go +R i think
[17:05] <Cookies52> and pinging
[17:05] <{soap|bed}> if the private messages bother you
[17:05] <{soap|bed}> pings etc cant be blocked with most clients
[17:06] <Cookies52> {soap|bed}, I know, trying to work out how to do it :P
[17:07] <[Crow]> Unhappy ban-ee I assume?
[17:07] <{soap|bed}> /mode Cookies52 +R
[17:07] <{soap|bed}> should work
[17:07] <Cookies52> {soap|bed}, yeah, tried it
[17:07] <{soap|bed}> crow yeah sort of
[17:07] <{soap|bed}> hes been coming here fgor a year or so'
[17:07] <[Crow]> wow
[17:07] <{soap|bed}> suddenly today more disruptive than usuai
[17:07] <{soap|bed}> lately he had been coming in and mostly being silent
[17:08] <[Crow]> could pattern match on that phrase and pipe to kline :)
[17:08] <kline> why?
[17:08] <kline> i dont want them
[17:08] <[Crow]> eeep
[17:08] <Cookies52> so my client can only set modes on channels....
[17:08] <[Crow]> wow
[17:08] <foks> lol
[17:08] <[Crow]> what are the odds
[17:09] <topaz> who was that? haunted331 again?
[17:09] <[Crow]> I meant pipe to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRCd#K-line of course :)
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[17:10] <Cookies52> Anyway, I do kinda need an admin semi-urgently...
[17:10] <{soap|bed}> i think freenode uses g-lines anyway
[17:11] <{soap|bed}> topaz no its user:Geo23 or something
[17:11] <[Crow]> *checks for anyone in here named gline" :)
[17:11] <foks> it's quite obviously not actually geo
[17:11] <TBloemink> ^
[17:11] <{soap|bed}> it isnt?
[17:11] <{soap|bed}> ah ok
[17:11] <TBloemink> nope
[17:11] <{soap|bed}> well in that case geo23 isnt *that* bad after all
[17:11] <[Crow]> joe jobber?
[17:12] <{soap|bed}> but its obviously someone who knows him
[17:12] <foks> just some LTA probably, using his name
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[17:13] <[Crow]> anyone else just get notice bombed?
[17:13] <[Crow]> Yay for +R :)
[17:14] <Cookies52> [Crow], yeah, I can't use it though :(
[17:14] <[Crow]> doh
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[17:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Airbus A340-500 (quad-jet)
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[17:47] <Sir_Designer> ToAruShiroiNeko missing?
[17:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no
[17:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I just typed it on the wrong location
[17:47] <Sir_Designer> whew
[17:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am sure people do not misplace aircraft that often
[17:48] <Sir_Designer> well....too often.
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[18:16] <jubo2> is account merge possible ?
[18:17] <jubo2> I unfortunatelly did not hear about do not register your new account and _DO NOT_ edit
[18:17] <k6ka> jubo2: afaik not yet
[18:18] <jubo2> is account nuking possible
[18:18] <jubo2> it has only 6 edits
[18:18] <k6ka> nope. i think global accounts can be deleted, but not local accounts.
[18:19] <jubo2> crap..
[18:21] <Jeske_Couriano> jubo2 ) Look at it from the licencing's point of view.
[18:21] <Jeske_Couriano> Deleting accounts would violate the CC licence
[18:22] <jubo2> Jeske_Couriano: yes. I have seen this aspect in the whole equation
[18:22] <{soap|bed}> i had heard they were wroking on an account merge tool, but I cant be sure if they were babying us or not
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[18:22] <k6ka> they said "we're working on a merge tool" several months ago
[18:22] <{soap|bed}> yeah
[18:22] <jubo2> {soap|bed}: you mean giving the pacifier and patting on head ?
[18:23] <k6ka> can't be sure if they're actually working on it or not
[18:23] <k6ka> i don't know, i don't look at the test wikis
[18:23] <jubo2> invoke panopticum on them ?
[18:23] <{soap|bed}> but were they really talking about merging accounts, or did they just mean "OK look we dont wanna have to explain this 50000 times, there is no merge functuoin, BUT we can rename some of you accounts and thats effectively a merge so we're calling it merge"
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[18:24] <k6ka> i'm a global renamer so i would know (or at least should)
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[18:25] <k6ka> heck there isn't even a global usurpation policy yet
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[18:26] <{soap|bed}> I call it babying on the analogyu of "OK there's no Santa but Im going to reliably buy presents for my kids and thats effectively the same as Santa being real so I will tell them it was Santa"
[18:27] <k6ka> same goes with the tooth fairy tbh
[18:27] <k6ka> or any other childhood fantasy
[18:27] <{soap|bed}> ah yeah i think my parents just skipped that one
[18:27] <{soap|bed}> so i dont tend to think of it
[18:27] <k6ka> "Where's my tooth mommy?" "Oh, it's in the garbage."
[18:28] <{soap|bed}> and Im not sure I ever believed in Santa either but i had to sort of pretend to because of other kids that still did believe
[18:28] <{soap|bed}> it just wasnt something i thought about so i had no real opinion
[18:28] <{soap|bed}> if someone had asdked me when i was 7 years old if Santa existed i dont know what i'd have said
[18:28] <{soap|bed}> anyway
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[18:29] <k6ka> "Yes because I always get coal."
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[18:32] <SkywalkerKush> "I always got coal for Christmas as a kid, which might explain why I'm now a geologist"
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[18:35] <jubo2> There are lot of kids who belive in Santa.. His own post office code gets heavy traffic
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[18:35] <jubo2> I'm not sure if there are other recipients in his post office code
[18:36] <{soap|bed}> if youre thinking of Canada, then nope
[18:36] <{soap|bed}> its special just for Santa
[18:36] <jubo2> I'd maybe not .. I dunno.. Maybe I'd tell my kids that Santa exists but also tell about Baby-Jesus obviously
[18:36] <{soap|bed}> Im not suire if Finland etc also do that
[18:36] <jubo2> {soap|bed}: YES. Santa lives in Finlan
[18:37] <jubo2> If you write "Santa Claus. Korvatunturi. Suomi Finlan." it will go to..
[18:37] <jubo2> heck I dunno who deals with the incoming mail
[18:37] <jubo2> it's obviously a marketing ploy for Finlan
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[18:47] <{soap|bed}> i liked this comic: http://satwcomic.com/art/santa-is-a-.jpg
[18:47] <{soap|bed}> although its weird to see a beardless Santa
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[18:48] <{soap|bed}> i think thats mostly due to her drawing style
[18:50] <foks> Lapland's flag is cool AF
[18:50] <jubo2> foks: word
[18:50] <{soap|bed}> yeah
[18:50] <jubo2> all polanball where is #sami tagged is special
[18:50] <{soap|bed}> i think that is my favorite flag
[18:51] <{soap|bed}> i said once before it was pure abstract design, not based on any kind of symbolism, but apparently the circles can represent the sun and moon
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[18:53] <jubo2> beyond the polar circle there is daylight for days and nights near summer equinox and many day of the sun not rising at all around the winter equinox
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[19:03] <{soap|bed}> i do have to admit i cant get over the impression that the Sami language(s) are messy though
[19:04] <{soap|bed}> its like someone took Finnish and said "what? this is too beautiful, it cant be real. lets throw in some ʒčḅṿḟŋēřɣdsfʰŋḅřþḟɣ"
[19:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> č_č
[19:05] <{soap|bed}> ǯǯǯ
[19:05] <{soap|bed}> i actually love that letter
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[19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ǯ_ǯ
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[19:44] <Dustin> Sockpuppets/vandals on the sandbox... seriously?
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[20:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> lets full protect the sandbox then
[20:12] <Dustin> ToAruShiroiNeko That would be an awkward solution
[20:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> true
[20:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> lets lock the entire site except the sandbox :3
[20:19] <Dustin> Great idea :)
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[20:31] <[Crow]> Whats funy is if you automatically revert a sandbox vandal (tw,hg), the talk page warning tells them to use the sandbox for that
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[20:44] <Dustin> Maybe there should be a special warning just for sandbox vandalism
[20:45] <GorillaWarfare> there is, iirc
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[20:59] <AlanBell> Hi I was wondering if someone could reveal the last content of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odoo and probably have a chat about what problems the article had?
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[21:00] <issyl0> Out of curiosity, why is https://tools.wmflabs.org/checkwiki/cgi-bin/checkwiki.cgi?project=enwiki&view=only&id=50 off?
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[21:01] <AlanBell> o/ issyl0 :)
[21:01] <issyl0> (As in, there must be some, but in the big table of problems, the check is shown as "off".)
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[21:01] <issyl0> AlanBell: \o
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[21:08] <[Crow]> Yay my first article that attacks me by name!
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[21:08] <[Crow]> [[EAT A NUGGETS CROW]]
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[21:08] <[Crow]> I feel so... indifferent
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[21:12] <FastLizard4> [Crow]: Congratulations!  You now have proof that you are doing something right!
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[21:14] <[Crow]> Woot!
[21:14] <[Crow]> And for those who recognize the name, Malusia is back (sindikato guy)
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[23:19] <SamB_7> anyone want to help source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:First_post_%28internet_meme%29 ?
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[00:25] <Chillum> Hello
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[00:28] <Peter-C> Random question. Why does Google now point to ?title=<article title>, instead of /wiki/<title>
[00:28] <Peter-C> This is driving me instane
[00:28] <Peter-C> *insane even
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[00:30] <James_F> Peter-C: 'Cos they aren't listening to the right rel=canonical links.
[00:30] <James_F> Peter-C: Ops are on it.
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[00:42] <Chillum> I just made a request on Wikipedia:IRC/Access requests for access to en-admins, looks like the people who have been handling it this year are all at least a few days logged out
[00:42] <Chillum> anyone here I can prod?
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[00:51] <Peter-C> James_F, fine them
[00:51] <Peter-C> Or something
[00:52] <Peter-C> Take Wikipedia off Google search results!
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[01:02] <James_F> Peter-C: Umm. No. :-)
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[01:08] <k6ka> [20:27:36] <Peter-C> Random question. Why does Google now point to ?title=<article title>, instead of /wiki/<title>
[01:08] <k6ka> i was going to ask that too
[01:09] <Peter-C> Isn't it just plain old annoying!?
[01:09] <k6ka> it's driving me nuts for some reason. doesn't bother the average reader but bothers an editor.
[01:09] <k6ka> how fussy of us :3
[01:09] <Peter-C> I literally stared for a few moments at google and thought, "is everything I know a lie?"
[01:09] <k6ka> yes
[01:09] <k6ka> everything is a lie
[01:09] <k6ka> unlearn everything you learned up to this point. we have been taught WRONG!!
[01:10] <Peter-C> Imagine waking up one day
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[01:10] <Peter-C> And Wikicode was gone. Everything was replaced with HTML
[01:10] <Peter-C> No editor.
[01:10] <Peter-C> You had to edit the source code directly.
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[01:10] <k6ka> i'd cry
[01:11] <k6ka> mental breakdown right on the spot
[01:11] <Peter-C> James_F has to plan for the day the Wikimedia servers become self aware and go from Parsoid to HTML
[01:11] <James_F> I do.
[01:11] <Peter-C> Devolve. Return back to the ways of their ancestors.
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[01:45] <OlEnglish> what ho!
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[01:49] <SigmaWP> what ho
[01:49] <SigmaWP> where
[01:49] <SigmaWP> is she cute
[01:49] <SigmaWP> I'm not being serious if it's not clear enough.
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[02:04] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
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[02:05] <OlEnglish> that ho!
[02:05] <OlEnglish> and no they're usually not cute
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[02:05] <OlEnglish> by Jove!
[02:06] <PontoCom_BR> OlEnglish: hello. :) you ip appeared. :(
[02:06] <OlEnglish> uh oh
[02:06] <OlEnglish> i'm busted!
[02:06] <OlEnglish> gotta run!
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�06[02:07] * TheMesquito hax0rs OlEnglish 
[02:07] <OlEnglish> naw actually i really don't care if my IP is showing ;)
[02:07] <OlEnglish> i walk around like that all day
[02:08] <OlEnglish> no shame here
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[02:10] <k6ka> i see that's why i don't use autojoin :)
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[02:11] <PontoCom_BR> OlEnglish: this is normal, but annoy anyone who does not want to show your own IP.
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[02:11] <TheMesquito> k6ka: SASL master race
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[02:16] <Steven_Zhang> Hey
[02:16] <Steven_Zhang> any admins around?
[02:17] <GEOFBOT> Steven_Zhang: methinks you should type !admin (see topic)
[02:17] <legoktm> .....
[02:17] <legoktm> hi Steven_Zhang
[02:17] <Steven_Zhang> Hey
[02:18] <k6ka> lmao
[02:18] <Steven_Zhang> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Geonotice#Wikipedia:Meetup.2FMelbourne_28
[02:18] <GEOFBOT> ? what did i do :o
[02:18] <Steven_Zhang> oh hang on the format has changed
[02:19] <legoktm> sure
[02:19] <legoktm> oh
�06[02:19] * legoktm waits
[02:21] <Steven_Zhang> done
[02:21] <Steven_Zhang> code reformatted
[02:21] <Steven_Zhang> that code I pasted
[02:21] <Steven_Zhang> goes here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-geonotice-list.js
[02:22] <MJ94> Ironholds: poke
[02:22] <Steven_Zhang> you might need to go into the source code editor legoktm
[02:25] <Steven_Zhang> to copy the code
[02:26] <legoktm> okay
[02:27] <legoktm> Steven_Zhang: done
[02:28] <Steven_Zhang> hmm
[02:28] <Steven_Zhang> its not working
�02[02:28] * Keilana (~Keilana@wikipedia/Keilana) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds�)
[02:28] <Steven_Zhang> try putting a blank line before and after?
[02:30] <Steven_Zhang> legoktm: ^
[02:34] <legoktm> Steven_Zhang: my internet is going in and out, is there another admin around?
[02:34] <legoktm> I can't get wp to load
[02:36] <Steven_Zhang> idk
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[02:41] <legoktm> !admin ^^
[02:41] <Steven_Zhang> its now working :)
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[02:41] <legoktm> okay
[02:42] <legoktm> yay
[02:42] <legoktm> caching issues!
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[02:50] <Steven_Zhang> yay for caching issues indeed :P
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[03:01] <SuicidalZerg> So, just a quick question... Grawp is still active, is he not?
[03:01] <git> i doubt it
[03:02] <git> probably just people who saw his lta page and decided to copy him
[03:02] <Steven_Zhang> HAGGER?
[03:03] <SuicidalZerg> Ah... yeah, was looking at the talk page for that as a matter of fact
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[03:03] <SuicidalZerg> I was gonna say that if he was, it would be really, really impressive that's he's been at it for 9 years straight
[03:04] <git> i'm sure he'd grow out of it
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[04:36] <MJ94> Any admin around for a non-urgent question in PM?
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[04:39] <{soap|bed}> hi MJ
[04:39] <MJ94> {soap|bed}: hey :) PM?
[04:39] <{soap|bed}> xure
[04:39] <MJ94> also, how are you? long time no talk
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[05:01] <{soap|bed}> hmm
[05:01] <{soap|bed}> a family of plants mutated to lose their chlorophyll
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[05:04] <slakr> {soap|bed}: are we sure they're not just senile plants and they simply misplaced it?
[05:05] <{soap|bed}> http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/pilost1b.jpg
[05:05] <{soap|bed}> this thing
[05:05] <{soap|bed}> not the white branchy thing, the little red mess down the bottom
[05:05] <slakr> they've been drinking a little too much of the ol' ethylene
[05:05] <slakr> oh
[05:05] <{soap|bed}> is the actual plant.  its, oddly enough, closely related to cucucmbers
[05:06] <slakr> what's it called?
[05:06] <{soap|bed}> "Pilostyles thurberi". No vernacular name, apparently
[05:06] <slakr> "Thurber's stemsucker"
[05:07] <slakr> sounds sorta like an insult
[05:07] <slakr> "It is a tiny parasitic plant, only a few millimeters long, " makes sense
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[05:08] <slakr> I mean, if as a plant you can find a way to suck all the nutrients you need to reproduce from something else, chlorophyll isn't as needed
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[05:18] <{soap|bed}> yeah that must be it
[05:18] <{soap|bed}> first they mutated into the parasitic form, then they lost the chlorophyll
[05:19] <{soap|bed}> i was thinking of it the other way around and wondering how they managed to sruvive even temporarily
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[05:19] <Sir_Designer> Bsadowski1 ping
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[05:42] <Sir_Designer> {soap|bed} how you feelin tonight?
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[05:52] <Sir_Designer> night
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[06:00] <Mamizou> wau!
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[12:28] <RD> Yes?
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[14:37] <Qcoder00> (Sigh)
[14:38] <Qcoder00> And no-one cares about poor language
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[14:48] <Qcoder00> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33267581 - So Uber causes strikes?
[14:48] <Qcoder00> (Huh not unexpected- their french...)
[14:49] <Qcoder00> And seriously though if Taxi Drivers are resorting to violent attacks on Uber drivers, they should be arrested forthwith
[14:49] <Qcoder00> and their licenses revoked
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[14:55] <Monty845> Apple has removed all civil war games that include the confederate flag from the app store...
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[14:59] <Qcoder00> An Over-reaction?
[14:59] <Qcoder00> Waht next, removing all games with Nazi or Sovier flags?
[14:59] <foks> absolutely an overreaction
[15:00] <Qcoder00> IN a lot of war gamers the confedrate flag is in historical context
[15:00] <foks> this is the same company which bans games saying the word "android" in their screenshots
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[15:00] <Qcoder00> foks: What a shame this was the same company that had a 1984 ad
[15:00] <Qcoder00> Some of their current policy :(
[15:01] <Qcoder00> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33270586 So where ths money for HS2 ?
[15:02] <Qcoder00> *where is the
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[15:14] <racsox> hi, there is a bot here?
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[15:15] <GorillaWarfare> racsox: There are some... why?
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[15:17] <racsox> GorillaWarfare: wich ones?
[15:18] <racsox> GorillaWarfare: I mean some bot to ask about a topic
[15:19] <GorillaWarfare> No
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[15:19] <GorillaWarfare> None like that
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[15:19] <racsox>  GorillaWarfare what are you doing here then...
[15:19] <GorillaWarfare> ?
[15:20] <racsox> GorillaWarfare: I need a wikipedia bot
[15:20] <GorillaWarfare> Write one
[15:20] <racsox> GorillaWarfare: how?
[15:21] <GorillaWarfare> https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+write+an+irc+bot&oq=how+to+write+an+irc+bot
[15:21] <racsox> thanks GorillaWarfare
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[15:57] <{soap|bed}> i wonder how many lactose intolerant people work at milk companies
[15:57] <{soap|bed}> or even better, ice cream companies
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[15:57] <{soap|bed}> ice cream is a lot more tempting
[15:58] <GorillaWarfare> Not so much when you're lactose intolerant
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[16:02] <{soap|bed}> really?
[16:02] <{soap|bed}> i suppose yeah
[16:03] <{soap|bed}> its a gut reaction (no pun intended) when you see someone eating something that literally could make you sick, you dont get all hungry and pouty
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[16:12] <{soap|bed}> i suppose theresd always Lactaid
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[16:17] <Amortias> !admin can we get a block on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/90.197.8.15 NPA's BLP issues and removing requests from admin noticeboards im trying to get to deal with him/her
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[16:21] <ZeroSerenity> Meow. Anybody here a redditor?
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[16:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hello Sir Isaac the 829th.
[16:27] <{soap|bed}> I'd be in favor of restoring the "vandalism" to that page personally
[16:27] <{soap|bed}> if its a cult we should say it right up front
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[16:28] <{soap|bed}> they seem to be about on level with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)
[16:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ?
[16:30] <Amortias> I havent seen any evidence theyre a cult tbh
[16:31] <Ironholds> {soap|bed}, your inability to read WP:NPOV is not a concern for readers
[16:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> who?
[16:31] <Ironholds> we should not make it one
[16:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or WP:POINT ?
[16:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I just handled a 3d penis so... :(
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[16:32] <Amortias> ToAruShiroNeko: arent they 3D by default?
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[16:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Amortias err
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[16:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> A 3d photo of one
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[16:34] <{soap|bed}> if the leader claims to be Jesus, its a cult
[16:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what if leader claims to be the second cousin of Jesus?
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[16:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> What makes christianity or islam not a cult by that definition?
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[16:41] <{soap|bed}> Muhammad didnt claim to be Jesus
[16:41] <{soap|bed}> as for Christianity, the analogy breaks down i guess because you cant really claim a religion is a cultic derivative of itself
[16:42] <{soap|bed}> my defintion is tautological but itd be basically "a religion where someone who isnt Jesus claims to be Jesus"
[16:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there are cults that have nothing to do with cristianity
[16:43] <{soap|bed}> oh I know
[16:43] <BartlomiejB> but it is possible that Jesus didn't historically exist at all.
[16:44] <IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: Heck, there are allegedly even cults that are non-religious in nature.
[16:44] <{soap|bed}> the rquation goes both ways. Im just saying if the leader claims to be Jesus, its a cult
[16:44] <{soap|bed}> not that the only cults that exist are of that type
[16:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH my seat cussion is probably a cult.
[16:44] <IDoH> LOL
[16:44] <Amortias> Ironholds: can you do a quick talkpage revocation on the ip i brought up earlier
[16:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It indoctrinates me to spend time on it.
[16:44] <BartlomiejB> :)
[16:45] <IDoH> {soap|bed}: Or if the leader claims to be a reincarnation of any religious prophet, it's a cult.
[16:45] <IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: Are you sure it isn't your brain telling you to be lazy? X-D
[16:45] <Ironholds> Amortias, not an admin, I'm afraid
[16:45] <Amortias> hmm thought you were for some reason
[16:45] <Ironholds> {soap|bed}, nobody cares what your opinion is
[16:45] <Amortias> nm
[16:45] <Ironholds> we care what sources say
[16:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH that is a possibility
[16:46] <Ironholds> but thank you for following up to "read WP:NPOV" with an explanation that breaks it
[16:46] <BartlomiejB> like Gospels? ;)
[16:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IDoH so mormons are a cult?
[16:46] <IDoH> ToAruShiroiNeko: Well, we are, perhaps, using a overly-simple example, but people do say that the mormons are a cult. I don't agree, but I think the FLDS is.
[16:47] <{soap|bed}> hmm
[16:47] <{soap|bed}> it is said that Jesus was a reincarnation of Elijah, an old Testament prophet
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[16:47] <{soap|bed}> err no sorry
[16:47] <{soap|bed}> that was John the Baptist
[16:47] <{soap|bed}> John the Baptist was said to be a reincarnation of Elijah
[16:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think calling something a cult or organised religion is descriptive enough
[16:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> certainly shinto, and christianity are both organised religion. Their similarities more or less ends there
[16:48] <IDoH> Maybe not.
[16:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Then you have DnD
[16:49] <IDoH> "Maybe not" was in response to "I dont think calling something a cult or organised religion is descriptive enough", by the way.
[16:49] <IDoH> What's DnD?
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[16:50] <BartlomiejB> yeah, what is DnD?
[16:51] <BartlomiejB> Dungeon and Dragons? :)
[16:51] <{soap|bed}> Probably
[16:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Yes
[16:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its a fantasy role playing game
[16:51] <IDoH> What does DnD have to with cults?
[16:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you can portray it as a cult if you want to push the meaning.
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[16:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is a matter of people playing the game, do they see it as such (like every rational people) or do they see it as something divine.
[16:52] <BartlomiejB> yeah , I know. the main difference is that fans of DnD doesn't treat this seriously (as eg. Christians their Christian myths).
[16:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> BartlomiejB my point is that difference, yes
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[16:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Although... using a dice to determine the outcome of stories in the bible may be interesting.
[16:53] <BartlomiejB> ;)
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 1d12 the red sea will divide
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> requires a very high roll
[16:54] <Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko, can I spend fate points?
[16:54] <Ironholds> hang on, I'll get my d12
[16:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds you probably can if you sacrifice a goat or something
�06[16:54] * Ironholds rolls
[16:54] <Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko, 8
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[16:55] <Ironholds> are the jews staying in Egypt?
[16:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you fail
[16:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no you all drowned
[16:55] <Ironholds> okay. Spend a fate point
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[16:55] <Ironholds> 12!
[16:55] <Ironholds> yaaay!
[16:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :o
[16:55] <Ironholds> what?
[16:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you need 2d12 to run a check to see if you can sucessfully sacrifice a goat
[16:55] <Ironholds> you don't need a check to see if you can spend a fate point
[16:55] <Ironholds> read the 3.5 ruleset again
[16:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> true
[16:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but this is for the other thing
[16:55] <Ironholds> what other thing?
[16:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> weather or not you will successfully sacrifice the goat or not
[16:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if you fail goat will evolve into a sentient being and take over the world.
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[16:59] <{soap|bed}> hmm soap is found in potato roots
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[17:46] <Monty845> omg everyone panic!
�06[17:46] * Amortias panics
[17:46] <Amortias> Why out of interest?
[17:47] <Qcoder00> Down?
[17:47] <Monty845> wikipedia down obv
[17:47] <Qcoder00> Don't panic
[17:47] <Qcoder00> Temproary glitch
[17:48] <Monty845> looks like crisis over, go back to panic standby moded
[17:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Excuse me.
[17:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Did you say wikipedia 1 down?
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[19:27] <Ironholds> topaz, pingeth
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[19:33] <SigmaWP> https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3b03f3/til_40_percent_of_all_wikipedia_vandalism_is/
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[20:01] <Amortias> !admin block evading IP in need of a block https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:90.211.54.174
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[20:02] <MusikAnimal> Amortias: what is the original account/IP that is currently blocked?
[20:03] <Amortias> a whole range of them
[20:03] <Amortias> including the one you got earlier
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[20:03] <Amortias> best bets to look at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Exazonk&action=history
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[20:05] <Amortias> MusikAnimal: I put in a request for page protection on that user talk page, as its so inactive (apart form vandalism) could you olige?
[20:05] <Amortias> oblige*
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[20:07] <MusikAnimal> done
[20:07] <Amortias> cheers
[20:07] <Amortias> will save us all some work
[20:08] <MusikAnimal> Amortias: where/when did this disruption originate?
[20:08] <MusikAnimal> is this a long term issue?
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[20:09] <Amortias> It seems to have kicked off only a couple of days ago at the users talk page
[20:09] <Amortias> Due apparently to an edit the ip disagreed with on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Divine_Truth&oldid=667758861
[20:09] <MusikAnimal> maybe it started with [[Divine Truth]]?
[20:10] <MusikAnimal> yes
[20:10] <MusikAnimal> okay
[20:10] <Amortias> not long term yet but as per comments they made on my talkpage they know how to evade an ip blokc
[20:10] <MusikAnimal> I didn't realize this was the same IP from earlier today, threatening to ban you and I
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[20:11] <MusikAnimal> haha same
[20:11] <MusikAnimal> well keep me updated, if the situation gets worse I can try other things
[20:11] <MusikAnimal> as their activity seems predictable
[20:11] <Amortias> What with the protection in place they might have to find another hobby for a while but theyre both on my watchlist
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[20:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Sitenotice#Wikipedia_talk:Freedom_of_Panorama_2015.23Proposal:_Banner_alert_campaign
[20:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am curious if someone can help me come up with text for this?
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[20:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Keegan you have a minute?
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[20:59] <ax3ldev> gg
[20:59] <ax3ldev> test
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[21:04] <Qcoder00> Amortias - Busy right now?
[21:05] <Amortias> just finishing off a report 10 mins or so and should be done
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[21:13] <Amortias> Qcoder00: Just grabbing a brew then will be right with you
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[21:17] <TheMesquito> Very quick response GorillaWarfare :P
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[21:27] <Qcoder00> Qucik notification evryone -  Comedy session in ##could-you-please-take-this-elsewhere
[21:27] <Qcoder00> If anyone cares
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[23:12] <Peter-C> I just had a flashback to Mono
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[23:13] <Peter-C> I have a 12oz Red Bull
[23:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> oz?
[23:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ew
[23:13] <Peter-C> Trying to fight off a headache
[23:14] <Peter-C> I have tried every other way to kill this headache. Gonna try nuking it with caffeine
[23:15] <git> you didn't try excedrin?
[23:16] <Peter-C> I *loathe* taking any pills of any sort.
[23:17] <git> oh you would hate my life then
[23:17] <Peter-C> :(
[23:17] <git> i take like a dozen pills a day
[23:17] <git> well only half a dozen now, but it used to be a dozen
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[23:18] <git> i'm getting pretty good at swallowing lots of pills at once
[23:19] <Peter-C> :((
[23:19] <Peter-C> 10/10 prefer IV
[23:19] <git> i can't do needles
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[02:25] <midgetpower> Question: How old is Regina George and the other girls in the "Plastics" inside the movie "Mean Girls"?
[02:25] <midgetpower> I assume between 16 and 19, but I'd like to know exactly.
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[02:25] <midgetpower> That is, not the actresses.
[02:25] <midgetpower> But the characters inside the movie's universe.
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[02:27] <git> if only there were a website with all this information...
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[02:32] <Penwhale> midgetpower: considering they're in HS, that gives a rough range
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[02:54] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
�03[02:54] * SailorHaumea (~SailorHau@unaffiliated/dn-boards1) has joined #wikipedia-en
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[03:01] <PontoCom_BR> Symmachus: HELLO.
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[03:01] <Symmachus> 'Ello, PontoCom_BR.
[03:03] <PontoCom_BR> hi.
[03:06] <Symmachus> Question to all: Is Labs down again? I'm not receiving page / user data from my javascript while navigating.
�02[03:18] * k6ka (~k6ka@unaffiliated/k6ka) Quit (Quit: He crashed his expensive car into the tree and found out how the Mercedes bends.�)
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[03:19] <SerioVB> !ops !admin it's that time again, geo23 saying fuck you.
�03[03:19] * CeFaem (~ukq@104.153.29.188) has joined #wikipedia-en
[03:19] <CeFaem> !ops !admin it's that time again, geo23 saying fuck you.
�03[03:19] * NiciOFemeie (~dstiu@119.47.91.112) has joined #wikipedia-en
[03:19] <NiciOFemeie> !ops !admin it's that time again, geo23 saying fuck you.
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[03:19] <Virginel> !ops !admin it's that time again, geo23 saying fuck you.
�03[03:19] * ChanServ sets mode: +o slakr
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[03:19] <LaseMine> !ops !admin it's that time again, geo23 saying fuck you.
�02[03:19] * LaseMine (~wmt@182.23.48.66) Quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))�)
�03[03:19] * slakr sets mode: +r
[03:20] <SerioVB> !ops !admin it's lovely that time again, geo23 saying fuck you.
[03:20] <CeFaem> !ops !admin it's lovely that time again, geo23 saying fuck you.
[03:20] <Virginel> !ops !admin it's lovely that time again, geo23 saying fuck you.
[03:20] <NiciOFemeie> !ops !admin it's lovely that time again, geo23 saying fuck you.
�02[03:20] * NiciOFemeie (~dstiu@119.47.91.112) Quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))�)
�03[03:20] * slakr sets mode: +b *!*@104.153.29.188
�03[03:20] * slakr sets mode: +b *!*@119.47.91.112
[03:20] <Virginel> slakr fuck you
�03[03:20] * slakr sets mode: +b *!*@176.109.188.160
�03[03:20] * slakr sets mode: +b *!*@182.23.48.66
[03:21] <comets> O_O
�03[03:21] * SerioVB was kicked by slakr (...�)
�03[03:21] * CeFaem was kicked by slakr (...�)
�03[03:21] * Virginel was kicked by slakr (...�)
[03:23] <SuicidalZerg> Fascinating
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�06[03:24] * Ornacia- <3 poutine
[03:24] <SuicidalZerg> http://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=29006
[03:24] <Symmachus> They were in -help yesterday.
[03:25] <@slakr> yeah, they're proxies
[03:25] <SuicidalZerg> Somehow I don't think this is very spurious... http://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=28669
[03:25] <@slakr> e.g. [22:22:32] <+CerebrumBot> slakr > VERIFIED proxy: connectTo/[[Special:Contributions/119.47.91.113]] outgoingIP/[[Special:Contributions/119.47.91.112]] port/1080 proto/s4 blocked/yes lastAction/4 days 21 hours 13 minutes 48 seconds ago
[03:28] <PontoCom_BR> [00:19] <Virginel> slakr fuck you // O_O
[03:28] <midgetpower> Penwhale: That's what I meant by 16-19.
[03:29] <midgetpower> git: Um. Yeah. Which site?
[03:29] <@slakr> to be fair, it's a nice offer
�06[03:29] * @slakr shrugs
[03:29] <@slakr> but I mean, I have standards
[03:29] <@slakr> :P
[03:29] <comets> really? :P
[03:29] <@slakr> no, but I pretend to
[03:29] <@slakr> damnit
[03:29] <@slakr> :P
[03:30] <comets> so, like all of us :P
[03:30] <git> slakr: they just want to pentest you!
[03:31] <PontoCom_BR> -ip 104.153.29.188
[03:31] <PontoCom_BR> ...
[03:31] <PontoCom_BR> -_-
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[03:33] <midgetpower> How old is Regina George and the other girls in the "Plastics" inside the movie "Mean Girls"?
�03[03:33] * slakr sets mode: -r
[03:34] <@slakr> presumably high-school aged
[03:34] <PontoCom_BR> this ip 104.153.29.188 is Rochester, New York, United States.
[03:35] <PontoCom_BR> this ip 119.47.91.112 is Jakarta, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta, Indonesia.
[03:35] <@slakr> it's a proxy
[03:35] <@slakr> they're all proxies
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[03:36] <PontoCom_BR> this ip 176.109.188.160 is Luhansk, Luhans'ka Oblast', Ukraine.
[03:37] <PontoCom_BR> this ip 182.23.48.66 is Jakarta, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta, Indonesia.
[03:38] <PontoCom_BR> ip's 182.23.48.66 and 119.47.91.112 they are from the same place.
�06[03:39] * @slakr eyerolls
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[03:41] <PontoCom_BR> [00:34] <@slakr> it's a proxy [00:34] <@slakr> they're all proxies // they were not stopped or prevented. is very strange...
[03:42] <slakr> my bot alerted me fwiw
[03:43] <comets> hoybebovino is a sock too :P
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[03:43] <comets> or a soap :P
[03:43] <comets> o/
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[03:43] <{Soap}> hi
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[03:45] <midgetpower> slakr: But I don't wanna know the general age, but the exact age.
[03:45] <midgetpower> In those years, there is actually quite a bit of difference between 16 and 19.
[03:45] <PontoCom_BR> this ip 104.153.29.188 really show's residence or live this nickname say "fuck you": Rochester, New York, United States.
[03:45] <midgetpower> I don't even know what ages you are in "highschool".
[03:46] <PontoCom_BR> comets, hoybebovino/{Soap}: hi.
[03:48] <midgetpower> What a pathetic joke AI is in 2015. No search engine and definitely not Wolfram Alpha can answer any question I throw at it.
[03:49] <midgetpower> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=How+old+is+the+fictional+character+Regina+George+in+the+movie+%22Mean+Girls%22%3F
[03:49] <midgetpower> That's the kind of thing I'd expect to be able to ask a computer in the year 2015.
[03:49] <midgetpower> When it was the 1990s.
[03:50] <midgetpower> It's not unreasonable in theory.
[03:50] <midgetpower> But the data that exists is in "chaotic" form.
[03:50] <slakr> tbh, I think even if an AI understood the answer, it'd probably say something like, "dude. who cares? the point isn't their exact age; it's an incidental plot detail to the larger story. the actors are in their 20s, even."
[03:51] <slakr> answer/question*
[03:51] <slakr> enwiki says 16, but who knows if that's accurate
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[03:53] <slakr> 19 would be too old for US schools, as a rule of thumb (but not entirely impossible)
[03:53] <{Soap}> HA!
[03:53] <{Soap}> you think that?
[03:53] <slakr> high school is typically 4 years, and people graduate at about 18.
[03:53] <slakr> that's plus or minus
[03:53] <{Soap}> just go to school where people stay back a lot. though to be fair, a lot of them have jobs and just drop out og high school
[03:53] <slakr> some start earlier or skip grades
[03:54] <slakr> and/or, as Soap says, can be held back
[03:54] <{Soap}> no seriously 19 yrs old in 12th grade is not unusual
[03:54] <{Soap}> i'd say 18 is the most common age, though
[03:54] <slakr> but when writing a movie for a mass-appeal audience
[03:54] <slakr> you go with what most people can relate to
[03:54] <slakr> and therefore what most people experience themselves
[03:54] <midgetpower> slakr: *I* obviously fucking care since I ask the question. God I hate people who ask "Who cares?" when you ask something. It's just about the dumbest possible response.
[03:54] <PontoCom_BR> midgetpower: as a matter of fact, It is on pre-university students.
[03:54] <midgetpower> By the very fact that I ask, I demonstrate that I do in fact care.
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[03:55] <midgetpower> So the typical range is 14-18?
[03:56] <slakr> well, I mean, that's the point:  the writer of the movie typically doesn't make it an explicit point when writing the movie to include directions on exactly how old the characters are unless it's absolutely vital to the plot in some manner (e.g., a birthday scene), because it simply doesn't matter to the narrative
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[03:56] <{Soap}> yeah
[03:56] <midgetpower> Hmm...
[03:56] <{Soap}> American schools are highly variable
[03:56] <{Soap}> not all towns even have "high schools" and those that do, dont always mean grades 9 to 12
[03:56] <{Soap}> but it is the most common setup
[03:57] <midgetpower> I'd say it makes a lot of difference if she's supposed to be 14 as opposed to 18, though. But since she appears to be the leader of the entire school, I assume she must be older than the first year.
[03:57] <slakr> since they cast older actors and/or have them driving, you can round more toward 16-18.
[03:57] <slakr> 16 is typically the minimum driving age.
[03:57] <{Soap}> there was some town near here that either added or subtracted a grade from its high school, i forget. it was either 8 to 12 or 10 to 12.  Then there's Ontario, which adds a grade at the end and graduates its students in the 13th grade. Though I hear theyre phasing that out
[03:58] <midgetpower> In the end of the movie, they show the "next year" and how everything is different then. So I guess she cannot be 18 if that's the last year.
[03:58] <midgetpower> So likely 16 or 17, then.
[03:58] <midgetpower> (For the majority of the movie's runtime.)
[03:58] <slakr> well, for franchise purposes (i.e., more movie$), the age will be whatever it needs to be to make more money.
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[03:59] <midgetpower> That's the odd part. They didn't milk the francise almost at all.
[03:59] <midgetpower> They just made one single sequel called Mean Girls 2, and it was direct-to-video.
[03:59] <midgetpower> You'd expect this super-success to spawn a whole series of crappy sequels.
[04:00] <midgetpower> And at least one "reboot" by now.
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[04:01] <slakr> well, it wasn't *that* massive of a success
[04:02] <midgetpower> That's the impression I've got. :S
[04:02] <slakr> it's not like we exported it to the rest of the world and it was just automatically understood and assimilated, unlike, say Fast and the Furious and/or Transformers.
[04:02] <slakr> and Furious 12: Ultron's Revenge
[04:03] <slakr> :P
[04:03] <PontoCom_BR> midgetpower: She had a girl who participated in the film, called "Thirteen" (2003 film), that actually was 15 years old. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_(2003_film)
[04:03] <Symmachus> midgetpower: I think they're supposed to be Freshmen in Mean Girls, no?
[04:03] <Symmachus> So they're playing 14-15 year olds.
[04:04] <PontoCom_BR> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_(2003_film)_
[04:04] <Symmachus> It's been years since I've seen it, so don't quote me on it.
[04:07] <PontoCom_BR> midgetpower: Mean Girls 2? was filmed or no?
[04:08] <slakr> PontoCom_BR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_Girls_2
[04:08] <midgetpower> PontoCom_BR: She = ?
[04:08] <PontoCom_BR> i'll see...
[04:08] <midgetpower> They can't very well be 14-15 if they drive a car.
[04:08] <midgetpower> PontoCom_BR: Not sure what you mean by Mean Girls 2 being filmed or no?
[04:08] <midgetpower> I'm talking about the original movie.
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[04:09] <{Soap}> *technically* you can drive a car at 14 in some circumstances. Not realistic though. They wouldnt make a movie about it
[04:11] <{Soap}> sooooooo much spaaaaam
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[04:12] <Symmachus> Regardless, Rachel McAdams was apparently 25 when she filmed that. Good on her, playing not only a character that's a decade younger, but still passing for a highschool girl. That's a touch of the fountain of youth, for sure.
[04:12] <{Soap}> let's make a new tax of a penny on every email message
[04:12] <PontoCom_BR> midgetpower: oh, sorry my bad english. this "Mean Girls 2" It was not even released in theaters. today only knew I had film sequence. It is less known than the first film.
[04:13] <{Soap}> and yeah, 25 year old women can look like high school students if they really want to
[04:13] <{Soap}> and vice versa, but its a lot rarer
[04:13] <PontoCom_BR> * theaters = cinemas or cine
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[04:13] <PontoCom_BR> "vice versa" exist in english?
[04:14] <Symmachus> PontoCom_BR: That phrase exists in most languages.
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[04:15] <PontoCom_BR> Symmachus: "vice versa" not only in English. also in Portuguese and Spanish.
[04:15] <Symmachus> PontoCom_BR: English, while techically being a Germanic language, gets over half of its vocabulary either from Latin or Norman French. And Britain was a part of the Roman empire, and a part of Western European culture, so they inherited a lot of Latin phrases.
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[04:18] <{Soap}> yeah
[04:18] <PontoCom_BR> Symmachus: that's true. about 30% of English words, was Latin's words.
[04:18] <{Soap}> i read once that there are actually far more than that
[04:19] <{Soap}> over 50% of words in English are Franco-Latin
[04:19] <{Soap}> even if you excvlude "science only" words like thrombocytopenia
[04:20] <Symmachus> {Soap}: I think that's including words from both Classical / Vulgar Latin, and from Norman French. If I remember correctly, it's a total of like 60 - 65%.
[04:20] <{Soap}> yeah
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[04:21] <{Soap}> we never really got the hang of Germanic word compounding tricks like German itself did
[04:21] <{Soap}> one of my favorite German words is Düsenkampfflugzeuge
[04:21] <Symmachus> Only like 25% of our vocabulary is Germanic. The rest of it is Celtic (Briton) and Greek.
[04:22] <{Soap}> German is beginning to break open though
[04:22] <Symmachus> {Soap}, we did. There are a fair amount in Old English. Not many that were retained, though.
[04:22] <PontoCom_BR> {Soap}: example: fiancé (word from France).
[04:22] <Symmachus> I always liked Old English kennings, like "whale road" for ocean. :)
[04:22] <midgetpower> Is there a difference between "Good on her!" and "Good for her!"?
[04:23] <{Soap}> e.,g, Germans are mostly saying "Jetlag" now instead of "Zeitverschiebung"
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[04:24] <{Soap}> yeah Old English was a very beautiful language.  I actually had a dream about it once that htere was an island in the Atlantic where Old English had survived
[04:24] <{Soap}> ... and for some reason, everyone there loved ice cream
[04:25] <{Soap}> well the kids did
[04:25] <{Soap}> i was like 12 when i had that dream
[04:25] <Symmachus> midgetpower: Not really. I think the latter tends to infer that there was more personal direction or effort, though not necessarily. The former is more ambiguous.
[04:25] <{Soap}> so probably not much different than ewlsewhere
[04:26] <Symmachus> {Soap} Haha. That's awesome. You should watch Peter Benchley's Amazon, sometime.
[04:26] <Symmachus> It's about a group from 13th century England that found its way across the Atlantic, deep into the heart of the Amazon rainforest.
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[04:27] <Symmachus> It was actually a decent show. Axed, due to lack of interest, though.
[04:28] <Symmachus> Of course, while they should be speaking Middle English, they speak modern English with the medieval form of "you", including the formal "thee" and "thou". Obviously, they  couldn't have a show on television where they were speaking Chaucerian English.
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[04:29] <{Soap}> hmm, that does sound intersting
[04:29] <midgetpower> Symmachus: I always found that "Good for her!" sounds sarcastic.
[04:29] <midgetpower> Especially "Good for you!"
[04:29] <{Soap}> "good for you" yeah definitely sounds sarcastic unless maybe ytoure talking to your own children
[04:29] <{Soap}> well no
[04:29] <{Soap}> not always sarcastic
[04:29] <{Soap}> you just gotta know the context
[04:30] <{Soap}> Tone of voice is everything
[04:30] <Symmachus> midgetpower: It does seem to carry that connotation more and more these days. And I think it has to some extent for a while now.
[04:30] <midgetpower> Hm.
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[04:32] <{Soap}> i can think of at least some non-sarcastic uses
[04:33] <{Soap}>  i think basically between friends etc
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[04:33] <{Soap}> it would be ghreat if it was on nteflix
[04:33] <{Soap}> i know my mom is about to cancel our netflix
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[04:33] <{Soap}> but nope
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[04:36] <Symmachus> {soap}: I can't even find it on the better streaming sites.
[04:36] <IDoH> Which show are we talking about?
[04:37] <Symmachus> Ah, found it on YouTube.
[04:37] <{Soap}> "Peter Benchley's Amazon"
[04:37] <{Soap}> i love YouTube
[04:37] <Symmachus> IDoH: Peter Benchley's Amazon.
[04:37] <IDoH> Oh.
[04:37] <{Soap}> they have so many obvious copyvios
[04:37] <IDoH> I have no idea what show that is.
[04:37] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_(1999_TV_series)
[04:37] <Symmachus> It's a show from the 90's, by the guy who created Jaws.
[04:38] <IDoH> okay
[04:38] <{Soap}> i dunno though, it doesnt sound exactrly like yo udrscibed
[04:38] <{Soap}> mainly, it takes place in the present
[04:38] <{Soap}> i thought somehow it actually took place in the Middle Ages
[04:38] <{Soap}> i may give it a try thiough\
[04:39] <Symmachus> {Soap}, it takes place completely in the present, aside from a tiny amount of flashbacks a generation before.
[04:39] <Symmachus> But the "Ghost Faced Tribe" are English people who came over in the 13th century.
[04:39] <{Soap}> now if they made a show that was like what I *thought* you were taljking about, I'd definitely go for it
[04:40] <Symmachus> They beleive that they're the "Chosen" of God, and they're living in the Garden of Eden.
[04:42] <{Soap}> the middle of the rainforest isnt really a place I'd call paradise
[04:43] <{Soap}> i guess at least there arent many diseases
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[04:44] <{Soap}> i wonder how malaria got to America, anyway. there mustve been some mosquitos that followed humans over from Asia
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[04:45] <Symmachus> No, it's not. But it's why they set out across the Atlantic. They followed a prophetic figure, who had convinced them that they were going to be the ones who remained after the rapture. Over the hundreds of years that they've been isolation though, they've been in constant conflict with a native tribe who they think are agents of the Devil, and who they used to enslave. And their version of Christanity has become... a bit con
[04:46] <Penwhale> {Soap}: [[Glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency]] is both a blessing and a curse.
[04:46] <Symmachus> It's not perfect writing, but it's a decent show. Sufficiently exciting. I actually have a suspicion that the creators of lost took borrowed some elements from it.
[04:47] <Symmachus> Mainly the "mythical land discovered by plane crash", and "lost tribes of people in the jungle", the duality aspect.
[04:47] <Symmachus> In fact, I'm almost positive that one of the creators watched this show and just ripped major plot devices from it.
[04:49] <Symmachus> Even some of the LOST characters seem to have elements borrowed from these characters.
[04:57] <topaz> now why did the WMF send me email in French about translating articles for the French Wikipedia?
[05:00] <Ironholds> topaz, you too, huh?
[05:00] <topaz> heh
[05:00] <Ironholds> For me it was even weirder because it came from research
[05:00] <Ironholds> you know: my people ;p
[05:00] <topaz> somebody picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue
[05:02] <Ironholds> nice Airplane reference
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[05:02] <OlEnglish> wow.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unidentified_decedents_in_the_United_States
[05:03] <Ironholds> topaz, writing a thank-you email to the Boston list. Do you think describing it as an "active and vibrant discussion" is appropriately neutral?
[05:03] <OlEnglish> that's actually a pretty damn good article!
[05:03] <Ironholds> ;p
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[05:03] <OlEnglish> who created all those pictures?
[05:03] <Ironholds> presumably the government
[05:04] <Chess> A camera
[05:05] <Chess> Maybe Photoshop?
[05:05] <Chess> Probably specialist software for profiling
[05:06] <OlEnglish> that article could actually be very helpful
[05:06] <Ironholds> so could an article on how to tell if you have athlete's foot but we don't necessarily need 40kb on it
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[05:07] <OlEnglish> not swayed by that analogy ;)
[05:08] <slakr> tbh I think those pics might not be original work :p
[05:09] <slakr> but there's really no evidence otherwise so who knows
[05:10] <OlEnglish> article created a by a 19 year old.. just 5 months ago
[05:10] <OlEnglish> not bad
[05:11] <Chess> Ironholds: Move to wikihow
[05:11] <Ironholds> Chess, what?
[05:11] <Chess> Well if you have 40k on athletes foot
[05:11] <Chess> Either put on wikihow or wikibools
[05:12] <Chess> *wikibooks
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[05:12] <Ironholds> Chess, yes, what I was saying was that we did /not/ need this on Wikipedia
[05:12] <Ironholds> I would like to think that after literally a decade I know how wikipedia works in broad-strokes, at least
[05:14] <slakr> that's the key: you just let it be :P
[05:14] <Chess> that's what I meant
[05:14] <slakr> in some areas it works one way; in others, another
[05:14] <Chess> 40k on athletes foot would be nicw
[05:14] <Chess> That should be my goal
[05:14] <Chess> Athletes foot as a featured article
[05:15] <Ironholds> go nuts
[05:15] <slakr> Athlete's foot is apparently over halfway there
[05:15] <slakr> ~28k
[05:15] <slakr> it's sorta... slowly spreading and itching its way larger
[05:16] <{Soap}> haha
[05:16] <Chess> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Athlete%27s_foot#Scratching_athlete.27s_foot_-_better_than_sex.3F
[05:16] <{Soap}> wow that infobox image
[05:16] <Chess> loving the high quality of textual intercourse
[05:16] <slakr> lol, well, we do have pain scales
[05:17] <slakr> surely we can create "itch orgasmicness" scales
[05:17] <GorillaWarfare> wat
[05:17] <slakr> "I am reminded at this point of a gym teacher I once had, who said that some guys like to get Athlete's Foot, because "It's the closest they ever come to being an athlete." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:22, 21 January 2015 (UTC)"
[05:17] <SigmaWP> who even knows.
[05:17] <slakr> I loled.
[05:18] <Chess> Nominate for TAFI nao
[05:19] <slakr> just seeing those feet on that article
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[05:19] <slakr> sorta makes me wanna itch mine
[05:19] <slakr> I don't think I've ever gotten athlete's foot, either
[05:20] <{Soap}> i didnt know athelete's foot could get that bad
[05:20] <{Soap}> i dont know what happened to that man
[05:20] <{Soap}> mayve he was paralyzed
[05:20] <slakr> diabetes maybe? immunocompromised?
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[05:20] <{Soap}> i would think tyhat woul;d be incredibnly painful just given how difdfficult regular athelete's goot is at least as night whne trying to sleep
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[05:21] <{Soap}> i havent figured out diabetes yet, why it cause things like that that arenty directly related
[05:21] <slakr> also old age
[05:21] <slakr> they're all issues of reduced blood flow
[05:22] <slakr> (well, except for immuno-)
[05:22] <slakr> iirc, old men, for example, start losing hair on the lower parts of their legs for the same reason
[05:22] <slakr> blood starts pooling in the legs more
[05:23] <slakr> so less white blood cells get down there to fight off infections
[05:23] <slakr> plus, if nerve damage happens from hypoxia, they won't feel the itch or pain
[05:23] <slakr> but still it'll keep eating their feet
[05:23] <{Soap}> hm
[05:25] <OlEnglish> slakr: the guy who did the reconstructions is Carl Koppelman. They were uploaded to Commons by User:CarlK90245
[05:25] <OlEnglish> good enuff you think?
[05:26] <slakr> OlEnglish: yeah, they're fine, or are at least fine to default to assuming are so
[05:26] <slakr> the few I tineyed and/or looked up from the databases checked out okay
[05:26] <OlEnglish> ya
[05:26] <{Soap}> oh i forgot about tineye. i wonder if theyve improved at all
[05:26] <slakr> and one was a substantial improvement over what otherwise appeared to be a 3rd grader's drawing
[05:26] <slakr> lol
[05:27] <{Soap}> i love google but it seems that when google comes out with a new function, the previously existing competitor that they based their new fucntion on suddenly dies
[05:27] <{Soap}> so its good to see google image search hasnt yet destroyed tineye's image search
[05:29] <{Soap}> well google was superior with my 1st test
[05:29] <{Soap}> 35 to 0. though thats cheating a bit as the 35 images that google found are in fact all identical
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[05:30] <{Soap}> but google was able to discover the image despite the background being changed and the image size changed and the focus shifted
[05:30] <{Soap}> so i'd say gooogle wins
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[05:32] <slakr> I wonder if they at least offered to buy tineye
[05:33] <slakr> that'd have been the nice thing to do
[05:33] <slakr> even if tineye was like "no! lolz! a bajillion dollars must be paid first!"
[05:33] <slakr> then it's like, okay, fine, gtfo
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[05:38] <{Soap}> they still have a few things google doesnt yet have
[05:38] <{Soap}> the ability to sort by least/most changed, for exampel
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[09:50] <AlanBell> hi, can anyone help me with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alanbelllibertus/Odoo the article was previously deleted and I am reworking it to be more encyclopaedic and less promotional
[09:50] <AlanBell> I would appreciate any feedback on problem areas
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[10:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> AlanBell hi
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[11:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sure, what did you have in mind?
[11:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you want me to go voer it?
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[11:02] <AlanBell> ToAruShiroiNeko: that would be great
[11:02] <AlanBell> it was previously deleted because it was a bit promotional, plus the rebrand didn't help as "Odoo" doesn't look as notable as "OpenERP" did
[11:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> naturally
[11:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am familiar with Odoo by the way
[11:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its too list heavy
[11:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "The official Odoo apps are organized in 6 groups: "
[11:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why say that
[11:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a list of lists would be better
[11:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> let me show what I mean
[11:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAlanbelllibertus%2FOdoo&type=revision&diff=668746388&oldid=668740090
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[11:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if you can convert it into such a list, I'll convert it to a table
[11:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so that its not a long list
[11:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I also see the article does not mention jquerry
[11:08] <AlanBell> ok, I see
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[11:15] <AlanBell> not sure jquery is that relevant, it is in there somewhere, but it isn't something used by modules a lot, just for new UI widgets perhaps
[11:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> well, I know the e-commerce module uses it
[11:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it may have a passing mention, these are merely suggestions :)
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[11:20] <AlanBell> I am actually doubting that whole list of modules thing, it is always going to be incomplete and excessive
[11:20] <AlanBell> and articles like Wordpress and Joomla don't attempt to list modules
[11:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I will make it so that it is a simple table of a few lines :)
[11:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> But it is your call
[11:22] <AlanBell> also, it isn't 6 groups, that is just wrong, there are 11 bundles that are priced up
[11:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> all of these are free modules
[11:22] <AlanBell> https://www.odoo.com/pricing might be worth pointing at those as categories
[11:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that would be promotional
[11:23] <AlanBell> yeah, they are free modules, just the support bundles them along those lines
[11:23] <AlanBell> all AGPL software
[11:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I would group them by functional differences
[11:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> encyclopedic vs promotional
[11:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the article is meant to be relevant even if no one uses odoo in the distant future.
[11:24] <AlanBell> sure, I was just trying to figure out where the 6 came from
[11:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or if we abolish money :p
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[11:24] <AlanBell> because they just are not organised in 6 groups at all!
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[11:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> okay
[11:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> feel free to reorganise them
[11:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> as long as I have a 2 or more leveled list I can collapse it
[11:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if its a one levelled list, its just that
[11:28] <AlanBell> OK, I will hunt around for some basis for grouping them that isn't me making up what groups things should be in
[11:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sure
[11:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its not necesarily required
[11:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but I think enecyclopedia would benefot by listing the capabilities
[11:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there is very little content mind you
[11:35] <AlanBell> yeah, bit of a balancing act listing the capabilities and not being promotional
[11:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> indeed
[11:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there are version numbers and such of each of those components, the table would reflect that
[11:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> each would get a date of when it was first coded and when was the last update
[11:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and a short description
[11:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> actually lets do this
[11:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alanbelllibertus/Odoo#Business_Applications
[11:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> can you gather this metadata easily?
[11:45] <AlanBell> hmm, might be original research
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[11:47] <AlanBell> I can get the versions of the modules fairly easily
[11:48] <AlanBell> oh, version numbers in modules don't appear to mean much
[11:48] <AlanBell> Sale is version 1.0
[11:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[11:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> how would you propose we represent the information
[11:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> because I do feel the information presented is useful if complimented by other info
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[12:01] <AlanBell> not sure yet, I will ponder it, I see JzG is having a bit of an edit (he deleted the article)
[12:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can help more but I am not really a very good article author
[12:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I deal with technical aspects
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[12:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> tables templates etc
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[12:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> AlanBell mmm
[12:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont know what to suggest
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[12:28] <AlanBell> ToAruShiroiNeko: yeah, JzG appears to consider the whole thing laundry lists and wants the article to attone for previous promotional bias apparently
[12:29] <AlanBell> so, the lists are gone, which is fine, including the history of versions which I thought looked OK
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[12:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont agree with that
[12:29] <AlanBell> does this look like a proper article? http://www.computerworld.com/article/2513567/enterprise-resource-planning/openerp-aims-to-impress-u-s--market.html
[12:30] <AlanBell> I don't think it is a bloggy thing, or a press release article
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[12:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think finding sources in criticism of odoo would be a good direction too
[12:35] <AlanBell> good idea
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[12:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> one problem is the number of accounts I observe that only focus on Odoo
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[12:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that can irk people
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[12:42] <jubo2> Hippies!
[12:43] <jubo2> Dry apple cider with ice cubes
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[13:03] <AlanBell> ToAruShiroiNeko: yeah, I understand that, would be nice to encourage the people to do a wider range of editing rather than shut them down though :/
[13:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do not disagree
[13:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but bear in mind in the past we had paid pr companies make a mess
[13:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> those articles deleted and users blocked
[13:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mocked in mass media too
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[13:04] <AlanBell> yup, fwiw I recognise most of the accounts as partners or core developers, not marketing people
[13:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I imagine as such
[13:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am here to help either way
[13:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but merely explaining you why the reaction is so hostile looking
[13:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its not really your fault
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[13:21] <AlanBell> I am a bit confused about the definition of primary sources relating to awards given to Odoo/OpenERP
[13:21] <AlanBell> they won some delloitte thing and an Ernst and Young thing, which are referenced to the Delloitte and Ernst and Young sites
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[13:22] <AlanBell> to me these seem like they are independent of Odoo, it isn't Odoo talking about awards they have won
[13:23] <NotASpy> yeah, they're fine.
[13:23] <NotASpy> they don't help establish notability though, but they can be used to reference claims made in the article.
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[13:24] <AlanBell> JzG added a {{primary source inline}} to them, not quite sure what to do
[13:25] <AlanBell> I can't find other news sources talking about the awards (apart from Odoo and various partners who blogged about it)
[13:26] <NotASpy> if no third party sources are discussing the awards, they don't sound all that important, or worth mentioning.
[13:26] <AlanBell> well there are no online reliable sources discussing them as far as I can see
[13:27] <AlanBell> plenty of sources that don't meet the reliable standard
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[13:27] <AlanBell> I can remove mention of the awards, that works
[13:29] <AlanBell> I guess Delloitte and Ernst and Young are not normally considered journalistic sources, even if they are publishers as well as consultancy companies
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[13:58] <AlanBell> I am really struggling now, pretty much everything I could write about Odoo hasn't been mentioned in a newspaper
[13:59] <AlanBell> I could write more factual content about the module structure, or the architecture, but the only things I can reference are primary, so I can't
[14:00] <AlanBell> bit perplexed by the need for a non-primary source in order to say that the source code is hosted on github even
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[14:11] <Ornacia-> USA Supreme Court just struck down ALL same-sex marriage bans!
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[14:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ornacia- all?
[14:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> INcluding the ban on glitter?
[14:19] <Sir_Designer> april 1 Ornacia?  or for real.  I mean, in the morning on Friday?
[14:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Can someone explain me why greek crisis is biringing the price of the dollar down?
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[14:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> CNN is reporting Terror on 3 fronts
[14:20] <Sir_Designer> i can explain you, but that would be tellin'.
[14:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so I imagine this has to do with US Supreme Court decision.
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[14:20] <Sir_Designer> scotus announces on Tuesdays or Thursdays.
[14:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am well versed in macro economics but I would expect price of euro to plumit over greek issue
[14:21] <Sir_Designer> plumit or perchance nectarineit.
[14:21] <AlanBell> BBC is reporting it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33290341
[14:21] <Sir_Designer> ffs, it's r e a l.
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[14:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer CNN hasnt reported it
[14:22] <AlanBell> ToAruShiroiNeko: things sometimes go the other way with prices because the analysts already accounted for it and were over-pessimistic
[14:22] <Sir_Designer> cnn has a tower in Toronto with one elevator, so...
[14:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ah!
[14:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they are waiting for the elevator
[14:22] <AlanBell> so they might have been expecting greece to have crashed out already, and as they haven't quite this is less bad than expected
[14:23] <Sir_Designer> yes.  or the elevator is waiting for the RIGHT buttonpress.
[14:23] <kelapstick> CBC has
[14:24] <Sir_Designer> cbc has no tower.  clearly there is a causal clink.
[14:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer I imagine they do a random button press
[14:24] <Sir_Designer> no wonder.  Von Neuman said it best:
[14:24] <Sir_Designer> keep Stasio Ulam away from the toys!
[14:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> AlanBell maybe investors believe Greece wont be allowed to fail
[14:25] <Sir_Designer> like a ...pomegranate?
[14:28] <AlanBell> ToAruShiroiNeko: there is some weird politics going on, think they are trying to get to a position where greece won't be allowed to fail if they elect a new government or something
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[14:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> AlanBell greece will default by the 30th as is
[14:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that may be a good thing and a bad thing
[14:28] <Sir_Designer> can three happy people marry each other now...  or later?   ...strictly later?
[14:29] <OlEnglish> can i marry my cactus plant?
[14:29] <OlEnglish> i demand the right
[14:29] <Sir_Designer> i said  p e o p l e, not minerals!
[14:29] <OlEnglish> hah
[14:30] <Sir_Designer> this is imported to me, so....
[14:30] <Penwhale> ToAruShiroiNeko: CNN reported the law
[14:30] <Penwhale> > http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/politics/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-ruling/index.html
[14:30] <Sir_Designer> they pressed the right key then.  good.
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[14:30] <Amortias> Sir_Designer: Three happy people can already marry each other just not all at once
[14:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Oh I wasnt seriously disbelieving that cnn didnt report
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[14:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I was just surprised how slow they were
[14:31] <Sir_Designer> holy fuck.  please elaborate. Amortias
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[14:31] <Amortias> I am happy, i marry my wife who is happy, i die, my wife finds a new partner and is happy, they are both happy and get married
[14:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> OlEnglish it is legal to marry your cactus plant
[14:31] <Penwhale> well, the video they had on the article was filmed 25min ago
[14:31] <OlEnglish> woohoo!
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[14:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> provided you do not file joint taxes
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[14:31] <Penwhale> just took them until 8 min ago to post on web :p
[14:32] <Sir_Designer> ah...... so death is involved.   bring out yer dead....
[14:32] <Amortias> i did say not all at once :p
[14:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Penwhale meaning it was live
[14:32] <OlEnglish> i don't care about gays having the right to marriage, i'm against marriage period!
[14:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they just updated the website late
[14:32] <OlEnglish> marriage only destroys relationships
[14:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> OlEnglish marriage is a union between a woman and a cactus I think.
[14:32] <Bsadowski1> lol
[14:33] <OlEnglish> hah
[14:33] <Sir_Designer> dawn will have to die then, cuz I need to see both white dresses, and she being a girl has seen em plenty enuff.
[14:33] <Bsadowski1> Hey there Marek
[14:33] <Bsadowski1> :)
[14:33] <Sir_Designer> Bsadowski1 hey.
[14:34] <Sir_Designer> Bsadowski1 i saw ingrid at chi theater!
[14:34] <Bsadowski1> I'm listening to Digitally Imported :)
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[14:34] <Bsadowski1> Ingrid Michsomethingson?
[14:34] <Sir_Designer> y e s s s s.
[14:34] <Bsadowski1> :P
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[14:34] <Penwhale> well, be prepared for [[Anthony Kennedy]] page to possibly get traffic too
[14:34] <pycoder_> hi
[14:34] <pycoder_> XD
[14:34] <Sir_Designer> she closed out on -- you won't believe this --
[14:35] <Sir_Designer> "I don't care"    ny Icona Pop!     I felt as if she is reading my fb page!   woo hoo
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[14:50] <Sir_Designer> Bsadowski1  . . .just scanned this for laughs:
[14:50] <Sir_Designer> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cuhpxx8znm2e9c1/paid_dues_AIUSA_Mareklug.jpeg?dl=0
[14:50] <Sir_Designer> es verdad.
[14:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> AlanBell an article takes quite some time to write, dont lose heart :)
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[14:57] <Sir_Designer> Bsadowski1  here is the definitive (vimeo!) rendition of "Icona Pop - I Love It (feat. Charli XCX)", 2 years old!!!!!      https://vimeo.com/61974468     3:00 minutes.
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[15:06] <Qcoder00> Uh Oh - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33290341
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[15:07] <Qcoder00> Legal... Now let's see homophobis banned in the constitution :)
[15:07] <Qcoder00> *homophobia
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[15:13] <Sir_Designer> homophobia is a medical condition, Cat.
[15:14] <Sir_Designer> you might not be allowed to buy an advanced automatic firearm, or a naval destroyer....
[15:14] <Qcoder00> Is homophobia a diagnosiable condition in the DSM?
[15:14] <Sir_Designer> DSM-6?
[15:14] <Qcoder00> Is that the current one?
[15:14] <Sir_Designer> next.
[15:15] <{soap|bed}> wow we reacted quickly
[15:15] <Qcoder00> This is Wikipedia
[15:15] <Sir_Designer> we did.  I am proud to be a Merkin.
[15:15] <Qcoder00> Sometime events are reported accurately on Wikipedia before they happen ;)
[15:16] <Sir_Designer> that would be quantum entanglement at work, or QCD
[15:16] <{soap|bed}> looks like we didnt update the US map since it would be silly to just have all blue
[15:16] <Qcoder00> if you define "homophobia" to be an irrational phobia of same-sex relationships to the extent that it creates a violent delusional hatred in a patient....
[15:16] <{soap|bed}> and just changed the title to "before the decisison"
[15:16] <Sir_Designer> go ahead, make my day.   blue!
[15:17] <Sir_Designer> from sea to shining sea.
[15:17] <{soap|bed}> here we go, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World_laws_pertaining_to_homosexual_relationships_and_expression.svg
[15:17] <{soap|bed}> i just wanted to make sure the world map was also updated
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[15:17] <Sir_Designer> oooooh, it's a purty blue, 2.
[15:18] <{soap|bed}> Poland's gonna do it soon too, I heard
[15:18] <Qcoder00> And now the US legalised it it can "Tell Russia Gayus exist!"
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[15:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so if a homosexual individual seeks affordable health care and marry at the same time, this would be the week for it, huh?
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[15:19] <Qcoder00> US healthcare isn't exactly afforadble by world standards but :)
[15:19] <Sir_Designer> Poland, I kid you not, has a Netherlands NGO drone drop anti-pregnancy pills with a drone!  heard it on NPR.    Women on Waves!
[15:19] <AlanBell> what is the process for getting a deleted article that has been edited reinstated?
[15:20] <Qcoder00> Sir_Designer:  Where?
[15:20] <AlanBell> that is an article that has been userfied and reworked
[15:20] <Amortias> Usually ask the deleting admin to move it to draft or userspace
[15:20] <Sir_Designer> across the border with Germany, a river, line of sight.
[15:20] <Amortias> ah right
[15:20] <AlanBell> Amortias: yeah, done that, next bit
[15:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer drone warfare?
[15:20] <Sir_Designer> drone liberty!
[15:20] <Qcoder00> Poland doesn't like brith control?
[15:20] <Amortias> AlanBell: you shoudl have an option to "move" near the top fo the article
[15:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why do drones not also drop helium filled condoms?
[15:21] <Qcoder00> ToAruShiroiNeko:  Good point
[15:21] <Sir_Designer> illegal to cease a pregnancy: Poland, Ireland, Malta.
[15:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Oh! We can have B-2s making stealth deliveries too
[15:21] <Monty845> Technically, a number of state laws on same sex marriage will need to be overturned based on the precedent before its technically legal in all 50 states. It will move very quickly now, but it may be months before local governments in all 50 states actually grant same sex marriage licenses
[15:22] <AlanBell> Amortias: ok, so when the deleting admin is happy I just move it to the original location?
[15:22] <Qcoder00> ToAruShiroiNeko: "Rainbow One to Misson Central... Package ready for delivry....!" XD
[15:22] <Qcoder00> XD
[15:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I believe it is called "Central Command"
[15:22] <Amortias> You can move it whenever you like but its sometimes better to go through [[WP:AFC]]
[15:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Laser guided birth control.
[15:23] <Qcoder00> ToAruShiroiNeko:   Hmm
[15:23] <{Soap}> Poland killed the EU proposal to have a new holiday celebrating the abolition of the death penalty
[15:23] <Amortias> AS youll get third party advice on what works and what needs changing
[15:23] <{Soap}> Because they said they couldnt do it so long as abortion was still allowed
[15:23] <Qcoder00> Didn't some Hungarian politician call for a debate about using it for terrosist killers?
[15:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hmmm arming terrorists with birth control.
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[15:23] <{Soap}> hi AzaToth
[15:24] <Qcoder00> ToAruShiroiNeko:  ROFL
[15:24] <AlanBell> Amortias: so, if I am reading that right, I put {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page and wait?
[15:24] <Amortias> AlanBell: pretty much, it can take a little while
[15:24] <Qcoder00> But I was being serious about some Hungarain (?) Politician arguing that EU states should be able to use an ultimate sanction on terrorist killers that threaten state and Eu secruity through the worst kind of attrocity...
[15:25] <Qcoder00> (Relevant given events in Lyon)
[15:25] <{Soap}> yeah.  Send them to America
[15:25] <Amortias> AlanBell: So feel free to keep working on it while you wait
[15:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> EU has a crazy politician every day
[15:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> imagine having a multi naitonal parliment
[15:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what could possibly go wrong
[15:26] <Qcoder00> At least the Eu only has 27 states arguing their interests ;)
[15:26] <Qcoder00> Not 51
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 28 IIRC
[15:26] <Qcoder00> Erm...
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> And US does not have 51 staters
[15:26] <{Soap}> oh wow
[15:26] <Qcoder00> ToAruShiroiNeko:  Your forgot Puerto Rico
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its probably 13+47+1
[15:26] <{Soap}> no, Puerto Rico doesnt count
[15:26] <Sir_Designer> ....we already have killing me softly, with His Song, by miss Roberta Flack....so....you do not need death penalty to prolong insufferable suffering.... in fact, dp is    m e r c y.
[15:26] <{Soap}> i assumed you were including DC
[15:27] <{Soap}> Puerto Rico is not even close to statehood anymore
[15:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> DC by law cannot count
[15:27] <{Soap}> it looked like it was going to happen for a while
[15:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {Soap} sure they are.
[15:27] <{Soap}> but PR itself seems to be moving away from wanting statehood lately
[15:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Its the other 50 states that are not ready
[15:27] <{Soap}> so its not gonna happen any time soon
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[15:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {Soap} it would cut their funding, sure
[15:27] <{Soap}> Cuba has a greater chance of statehood than Puerto Rico
[15:28] <{Soap}> as does DC, in my opinion
[15:28] <Qcoder00> Would Cuba be a Red or Blue state though?
[15:28] <Qcoder00> XD
[15:28] <{Soap}> conservatives want DC to just join up with Maryland so they wont throw the balance off
[15:28] <{Soap}> Cuba would probably be very diverse
[15:28] <{Soap}> conservatives seem to think Cuba would be 100% Republican, and maybe they would at first, but I dont think itd last long
[15:29] <AlanBell> thanks Amortias
[15:29] <Amortias> AlanBell: No problem got to look like im being useful
[15:29] <Sir_Designer> Cubans value good govt subsidies, so count them   b l u e.
[15:30] <Qcoder00> OK
[15:31] <{Soap}> as soon as we take over we'll start mailing out six-figure hospital bills to all the pateitns in their hospitals "you know that socialized healthcare you had under the Castros? Gone now.  Pay up"
[15:31] <Sir_Designer> the best thing Cubans have is their sense of humor, so...i would not go thar.
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[15:34] <{Soap}> also we'll ban smoking
[15:34] <Sir_Designer> smoking 50s Ols....?
[15:35] <Sir_Designer> Oldsmobiles
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[15:35] <{Soap}> intersrtingly, there are 50 internationally recognized sovereign states with territory located within the common definition of Europe and/or membership in international European organisations.
[15:35] <Sir_Designer> Israel?
[15:35] <{Soap}> so if EU expands to take in all of Europe instead of just some of it, we'll have a true 50/50 ratio of "states"
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[15:36] <{Soap}> Israel could be part of the EU someday but I doubt theyre on the short list
[15:36] <WP-217IP> I am not posting here to garner votes in either direction, but can someone remove the off-topic harassment from this AFD please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Zulu_(musician)#Zulu_.28musician.29
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[15:38] <Dustin> Israel is in the Arabic region, not in Europe, so I don't get that
[15:40] <{Soap}> well its complicated
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[15:41] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93European_Union_relations#EU_membership_for_Israel
[15:42] <{Soap}> geogrtaphy isnt strictrly a barrier to entry
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[15:46] <comets> atlast america does something right ;')
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[15:47] <Sir_Designer> Dustin what is not funny is that Russian Federation is depopulating, at 140 mln, and counting fast down. Great stretches of it areAsia, and its FarEast has about 4 million souls left, if that many.
[15:47] <SamB_7> hmm, is {{old afd multi}} appropriate when the deleted page had a different name but the same topic?
[15:48] <SamB_7> sorry, {{Old AfD multi}}
[15:48] <{Soap}> by the way WP-217IP not ignoring you
[15:48] <WP-217IP> thanks {Soap}
[15:48] <{Soap}> i dont think the IP's commnent really needs to be deleted though
[15:48] <foks> There are a bunch of countries clamouring for entry into the EU as it is
[15:48] <{Soap}> its unlikely to really affect teh AFD
[15:49] <WP-217IP> I honestly don't know the procedure for harassment, it just seems to be distracting and irrelevant to the AFD discussion
[15:49] <{Soap}> however, if you disagree, you should be able to remove it yourself, unless you dont want to because youre also the nominator of the AFD
[15:49] <foks> Israel would be cool since the EU would then have FOUR official alphabets
[15:49] <{Soap}> in which case i'll let other people here decide
[15:49] <{Soap}> foks: and Armenia and Georgia? or is that total overkill
[15:50] <foks> SIX ALPHABETS!
[15:50] <Sir_Designer> foks and a rooted, healthy Arab population.
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[15:50] <WP-217IP> If I delete it I am sure the subject of the article being deleted will call more of his friends to come harass me as well.
[15:50] <foks> Is Arabic an official language in Turkish?
[15:50] <foks> ... Turkey*
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[15:52] <SamB_7> (all one of them)
[15:53] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} foks  the art of glyph design would be restored to the curriculums throughout EU..... the beautiful Georgian, so ornate... delicious.
[15:53] <{Soap}> no but it is in Israel
[15:53] <Amortias> SamB_7: Could you not justs include it in your opening statement
[15:53] <{Soap}> so Israel becoming EU might potentially lead to Arabic becoming official inEU
[15:53] <foks> "delicious" is an odd word to describe an alphabet
[15:53] <{Soap}> the Turks are almost all Muslims, but few of them consider themselves Arabs
[15:54] <{Soap}> 100 years Turkey's painful birth from its Ottoman mother was all about getting rid of the Arabic alphabet
[15:54] <foks> ew
[15:54] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} ditto Kosovars and Bosnians
[15:54] <SamB_7> Amortias: opening statement?
[15:54] <Amortias> The bit where you say why it needs deleting
[15:55] <SamB_7> I'm not trying to get it deleted again
[15:55] <SamB_7> I just want to be transparent
[15:55] <{Soap}> as one who knows a bit about both langiaghes, Arabic alphabet is really horrible at writing TUrkish
[15:58] <SamB_7> Amortias: anyway, if you have a better idea of how to use it on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:First_post_%28internet_meme%29
[15:59] <SamB_7> I'd be happy to hear about it
[15:59] <Amortias> SamB_7: Sure will look, what was it also known as
[15:59] <SamB_7> I copied the template invocation from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_post
[15:59] <Amortias> ok
[16:01] <SamB_7> oh, if anyone knows anything describing the "first post" disease I'd love to hear about it
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[16:02] <Amortias> What youve done looks reasonable, you may just want to put the "not this article but" inforrmation in a section rather than as a hidden comment so everyone sees it rather than just those who fgo and edit
[16:05] <SamB_7> Yeah.
[16:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {Soap} Israel will not becmoe an EU member.
[16:05] <comets> lol
[16:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> foks arabic was never that popular in Turkey
[16:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ottoman is a mixture of Persian, Turkic and strangely enough French
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[16:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ottomans used glyphs that relied on arabic script which was abolished some 80 years ago
[16:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> foks that said the current president and then prime minister wanted to bring ottoman back
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[16:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Which he found to be most problematic since he was facing banners all of a sudden he couldnt read - he was paranoid if they were criticism
[16:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Imagine italian prime minister going back to latin.
[16:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> saying that should be the preferred language
[16:12] <Qcoder00> Hmm
[16:12] <Qcoder00> At leasty English goes back a long way
[16:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not true
[16:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> old english is very different
[16:13] <{Soap}> obviously you speak Turkish better than I do, but do you agree at least that the Arabic alphabet is horribly suited to write Turkish in?
[16:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I cannot begin to read arabic
[16:13] <{Soap}> and indeed, horribly suited to most every other language in the world
[16:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> In egypt I could read license plates
[16:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it was horrifying
[16:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Arabic script is difficult to learn and write
[16:13] <{Soap}> at least the unmodified form.  In China there is a sect that uses the Arabic alphabet, but with a lot of extra letters for vowels
[16:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *I could nt read
[16:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> To me rtl is weird
[16:14] <{Soap}> ok
[16:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Illiteracy is a big problem in countries where arabic script or other complicated glyphs are used
[16:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> In afghanistan one of the biggest problem ISAF faced was that local police officers could not read
[16:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> situation got worse when US cut funding to UNESCO over Palestinian membership
[16:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.undispatch.com/literacy-programs-for-afghan-police-under-threat-because-of-usa-pullout-from-unesco/
[16:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> You think illiteracy would be a big sin in nations with islamic population
[16:19] <{Soap}> bbl
[16:20] <Qcoder00> if your populace can't read, their minds are easily shaped by those that cab
[16:20] <Qcoder00> *can
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[16:21] <Qcoder00> an Anti-extremist porgrame has to include teaching people how to read
[16:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 but extrimist would welcome reading
[16:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the first verse qoran was bestowed on was "Read"
[16:22] <Qcoder00> Hmm...
[16:22] <Ironholds> how about we teach people to read because education is a human right
[16:22] <Ironholds> and stop trying to come up with ways it would (a) help or (b) hinder beardy-weirdies
[16:22] <Qcoder00> Thank ypou
[16:22] <Qcoder00> *you
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[16:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_first_revelation
[16:23] <Ironholds> we don't need that as a justification or a caution any more than we need to legalise gay marriage to avoid pissing off Cher
[16:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds I agree with that
[16:23] <Ironholds> there are MUCH better reasons we already have.
[16:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> my point is its the religion extrimists are contradicting.
[16:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds we should legallise pissong off Cher,
[16:24] <Qcoder00> Well when IS attacks Mosques durign Friday prayers - (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33287136)  , something is seriously f**f up in their idoelogy.
[16:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Angry Cher will probably make congress do things right.
[16:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 you think?
[16:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> What clued you to that idea? :D
[16:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> And what a crazy idea it is :D
[16:25] <Ironholds> Qcoder00, you've just today realised that Isis are not in fact just very devout muslims, and your hint was that
[16:25] <Ironholds> not the massive number of devout muslims who DON'T spend their time committing war crimes and trying to establish a calphate
[16:25] <Ironholds> *caliphate
[16:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds I am baffled how people often forget that there are ~ a billon muslims roaming the planet.
[16:26] <Qcoder00> The overwheliming majority who despise the extremists
[16:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Those with guns thend to be sposored by a counry or two
[16:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> talibal by US in the past for example
[16:27] <Ironholds> to quote Bill Hicks, "how did you know they have terrifying weapons of mass destruction?" "oh, we checked the receipts"
[16:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> A good chunk of the American votes do not seem to understand that its not drones and air craft carriers that will end terorism but pen and paper
[16:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds Bill Hicks was an accountant? :p
[16:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Are WMF bills tax deductable?
[16:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> err
[16:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> WMD
[16:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hmm WMF and WMD are a letter appart. I never noticed that.
[16:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Weapons of Mass Freedom?
[16:30] <git> not freedom
[16:30] <git> fuckupmanship
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[16:31] <Ironholds> git, lovely
[16:32] <Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko, har ;p
[16:32] <git> Ironholds: thx i try
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[16:33] <Ironholds> git, well, you know, effort is half a victory and I'm glad you're happy with that :)
[16:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git that was obvious though
[16:34] <git> Ironholds: it could also just be fucking
[16:34] <git> massive dildo bombs
[16:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git US wouldnt do that
[16:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> They would use laser guided massive dildo bombs
[16:35] <Ironholds> behave, people ;p
[16:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> okay
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[17:29] <KimiNewt> Grats to all LGBT folk in the US
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[17:31] <{Soap}> hi
[17:31] <WP-217IP> Is there really anything I can do if someone is make a concerted effort over several IPs to harass me?
[17:32] <WP-217IP> It seems like they aren't going to start blocking every IP that only has a single activity of harassing me
[17:32] <WP-217IP> If it's once per IP, for instance
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[17:34] <{Soap}> is it across a bunch of pages/?
[17:35] <WP-217IP> The talk page on an article, messing with my talk page, and the AFD page for previously mentioned article
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[17:35] <White_Cat> KimiNewt why just LGBT folks?
[17:36] <White_Cat> Non LGBT people deserve praise too :p
[17:38] <{Soap}> we 3couldnt have done it without you
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[17:39] <{Soap}> hmm the name of the capital of Turkey is Greek
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[17:42] <KimiNewt> Istanbul?
[17:43] <KimiNewt> Well yes, but the LGBT folk get new benefits
[17:43] <KimiNewt> We're stuck with the same ol' marriage
[17:43] <KimiNewt> they get BRAND NEW 21ST CENTURY MARRIAGE
[17:43] <KimiNewt> it's got wifi
[17:44] <{Soap}> Ankara is the capital of Turkey.  Though now that you mention it, Istanbul could be considered a Greek name as well
[17:45] <{Soap}> The modern Turkish name İstanbul (pronounced [isˈtanbuɫ]) is attested (in a range of variants) since the 10th century, at first in Armenian and Arabic and then in Turkish sources. It derives from the Greek phrase "εις την Πόλιν" [istimbolin] or "στην Πόλη", both meaning "in the city" or "to the city"
[17:45] <KimiNewt> I though tthat was Constantinople
[17:45] <{Soap}> its a strange way to name a city, but it seems to be the correct etymology
[17:45] <White_Cat> {Soap} Istanbul is not the capital
[17:46] <White_Cat> KimiNewt Istanbul had two names during ottoman rule
[17:46] <White_Cat> Istambol and Constantinopolis were the two offical names I think
[17:47] <KimiNewt> Isn't "Medina" just "City", too?
[17:47] <KimiNewt> In Arabic, I mean
[17:48] <{Soap}> seems so
[17:48] <White_Cat> {Soap} you have to realize. When you leave language to develop for centuries, meanings and words are shared.
[17:48] <White_Cat> dont believe in nationalist BS that languages can stay pure :p
[17:48] <KimiNewt> Does anyone reall say that?
[17:48] <White_Cat> sure
[17:48] <KimiNewt> Every language has a ton of borrowed words/phrases
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[17:49] <White_Cat> Balkans claim ownership of language
[17:49] <KimiNewt> I've never heard anyone claim that a language is "pure"
[17:49] <White_Cat> no but people will claim ownership of words
[17:50] <White_Cat> clearly thats greek, thats turkish. Greeks stole it, Turks stole it.
[17:50] <White_Cat> etc etc
[17:50] <KimiNewt> Oh, like claim that words were not borrowed but invented?
[17:50] <White_Cat> yeah
[17:50] <KimiNewt> Never heard that either, but I don't speak to many Balkan folk
[17:50] <White_Cat> Its pure and orignial and definately not borrowed
[17:50] <White_Cat> Balkans are particularly bad at this since the dissolution of yugoslavia
[17:50] <KimiNewt> why is there no google doodle for the gay marraige thing, I was sure they'd be all over that
[17:51] <White_Cat> because google is too busy celebrating it
[17:51] <White_Cat> google doesnt react to politics this quickly I think
[17:51] <White_Cat> they focus on aniversaries
[17:51] <White_Cat> expect a doodle in a full year
[17:51] <{Soap}> maybe iut only shows up for US users
[17:52] <topaz> June 26 is going to be the big official gay pride day from now on
[17:52] <White_Cat> I think google doodles should be animated
[17:52] <White_Cat> showing every doodle globally
[17:52] <White_Cat> is there a repo of google doodles I wonder
[17:52] <White_Cat> topaz I dont think so
[17:52] <{Soap}> there is
[17:52] <White_Cat> I think this day should not be celebrated
[17:52] <{Soap}> http://www.google.com/doodles
[17:53] <KimiNewt> Yeah I was just on that page
[17:53] <White_Cat> Gays and Lesbians were given a right they should have had from the start
[17:53] <KimiNewt> That's true for every right
[17:53] <KimiNewt> We don't celebrate equality for races, religions, etc?
[17:54] <KimiNewt> {Soap} - I think the doodles are maybe a missed opportunity
[17:54] <White_Cat> they seem to recycle doodles :/
[17:54] <Ironholds> White_Cat, it shouldn't be celebrated because it should've been obvious?
[17:54] <KimiNewt> They do, White_Cat
[17:54] <topaz> White_Cat: I'm being a little facetious, I don't think that it's going to change from the 3rd sunday in June
[17:54] <White_Cat> Ironholds yeah
[17:54] <KimiNewt> Obviously google doesn't care but-- if the doodles weren't region-specific, you could find new shit out about OTHER cultures
[17:54] <Ironholds> that's nice. But while it wasn't obvious people were treated as second class citizens, murdered, correctively raped, and traumatised by a system that defined them as The Other and morally and socially repugnant
[17:54] <Ironholds> and most of those things are /still going on/
[17:54] <topaz> White_Cat: but the fact that June 26 is going to be the anniversary of three of the most momentous gay rights SCOTUS decisions in the early 21st century is significant
[17:54] <KimiNewt> Yeah, you still find new shit out because of it, but a lot of the time it's culture-based
[17:55] <White_Cat> Ironholds I just think a parade isnt the best option
[17:55] <KimiNewt> While yuo go and look at ITN on EN wiki and you get everything
[17:55] <White_Cat> there must be a better way to rub it into peoples faces
[17:55] <KimiNewt> Sometimes I do sit around and read about elections in Nigeria or whatever
[17:55] <Ironholds> White_Cat, and when you're LGBT what you think about it will matter for a bucket of spit
[17:55] <{Soap}> oh huh
[17:55] <{Soap}> three separate Supreme Court decisions all on June 26
[17:55] <KimiNewt> Like, look at this doodle:
[17:55] <KimiNewt> https://www.google.com/doodles/abu-al-wafa-al-buzjanis-1075th-birthday
[17:55] <White_Cat> I just think a parade would under sell it
[17:55] <KimiNewt> The guy was a Mathematician, not a priest or something
[17:56] <Ironholds> "here is my hot take on something I've not experienced" is literally never valuable and should not be the guiding motivation around how people choose to express themselves
[17:56] <White_Cat> LGBT parades already exist
[17:56] <KimiNewt> Look at "Doodle's Reach"
[17:56] <White_Cat> adding one more wont be that notable.
[17:56] <Ironholds> how those people want should be how they choose to express themselves
[17:56] <topaz> OTHERSTUFFEXISTS
[17:56] <Ironholds> White_Cat, again, you don't get to make that call.
[17:56] <KimiNewt> Well I guess we passed the whole Doodles conversation
[17:56] <White_Cat> Absolutely not
[17:56] <KimiNewt> I had a nice point but I'll save it for another time
[17:56] <White_Cat> But I can state my opinion on IRC
[17:56] <White_Cat> Which will be forgotten instantly.
[17:56] <Ironholds> and I can tell you it's not worth a bucket of spit!
[17:56] <Ironholds> ahh, the internet
[17:56] <White_Cat> Becuase I do NOT matter.
[17:56] <KimiNewt> You matter
[17:57] <KimiNewt> you're a special snowflake
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[17:57] <KimiNewt> Every breath that you take, every step that you make
[17:57] <White_Cat> I am made out of matter probably.
[17:57] <topaz> at any rate, as far as the Google Doodle is concerned, there's still this: https://www.google.com/search?q=gay+marriage
[17:57] <White_Cat> I havent checked the super position of my sub atomic particles laately though.
[17:57] <KimiNewt> If you're not made out of matter, you definitely matter!
[17:57] <KimiNewt> Kinda weird how it goes behind the buttons though, topaz
[17:58] <KimiNewt> I think I'd rather it ended just before them
[17:58] <White_Cat> KimiNewt I probably am a simulation made out of photos and force fields
[17:58] <KimiNewt> but what do I know
[17:58] <White_Cat> next step would bee to stop executions in Africa
[17:58] <KimiNewt> I know as much about UX as White_Cat and Ironholds know about international policy and politics!
[17:58] <White_Cat> executions of LGBT people because of extrimist christians. :/
[17:59] <KimiNewt> Life is simpler when you don't give a shit, ya know?
[17:59] <Ironholds> KimiNewt, so you used to be a UX person?
[17:59] <White_Cat> I care.
[17:59] <White_Cat> Ironholds I imagine he is an exper on it with a degree.
[17:59] <Ironholds> naw, I transferred from politics to law
[18:00] <KimiNewt> I kinda think I know about UX, but it's such a broad field I probably know shit-all in the grand scheme of things
[18:00] <KimiNewt> is what I meant :P
[18:00] <Ironholds> my only real areas of knowledge are european administrative law as it pertains to human rights and the Chagossian situation
[18:00] <KimiNewt> sounds like it puts bread on the table
[18:00] <White_Cat> Ironholds and not Freedom of panaroma rules?
[18:01] <White_Cat> KimiNewt I imagine european administrative law would try to regulate bread crumbs on the bread.
[18:01] <Ironholds> oh god no, that always bored me to tears
[18:01] <topaz> no one is an expert on freedom of panorama.
[18:01] <KimiNewt> Why would you have bread crumbs ON the bread?
[18:01] <Ironholds> KimiNewt, you know damn well what I do for a living
[18:01] <KimiNewt> Kind of redundant
[18:01] <KimiNewt> I'm just joking Ironholds
[18:02] <Ironholds> thank the lord you don't work for anyone we could make "jokes" about
[18:02] <Ironholds> topaz, +1
[18:02] <KimiNewt> I don't work for the military anymore, yo
[18:02] <Ironholds> what do you do?
[18:02] <White_Cat> KimiNewt everyone works for the militarys, epsecially if they dont.
[18:02] <KimiNewt> Software Engineer at a Cybersecurity company
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[18:02] <Ironholds> cool!
[18:03] <topaz> oh, so you get all the awesome 0days before the rest of us hear about them
[18:03] <KimiNewt> shrug
[18:03] <KimiNewt> It pays the bills
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[18:03] <KimiNewt> I'm kind of sick of cybersecurity
[18:03] <KimiNewt> after working in it for five years
[18:03] <White_Cat> Really?
[18:03] <KimiNewt> A bit, yeah
[18:03] <White_Cat> I was sick of it in 1 month
[18:03] <KimiNewt> It may be that I'm just generally bored though
[18:04] <White_Cat> you have quite a bit of determinaiton.
[18:04] <KimiNewt> Someone tells me about the new attack or malware we found out about and I'm just like
[18:04] <Ironholds> so do something new
[18:04] <KimiNewt> "whatever"
[18:04] <White_Cat> Unless you are coding something like stuxnet I imagine its not the most fun thing to work on
[18:04] <KimiNewt> White_Cat - ...
[18:04] <KimiNewt> Even something like that isn't always fun
[18:04] <White_Cat> no
[18:04] <White_Cat> but at least you get to be somewhat creative
[18:04] <KimiNewt> But offense cyber was far more interesting than defensive cyber, I can tell you that
[18:05] <White_Cat> writing pages and pages of a threat can get only repetitive.
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[18:05] <White_Cat> KimiNewt offensive wars are offensive.
[18:05] <KimiNewt> Okay?
[18:05] <White_Cat> you end up becoming a target
[18:05] <White_Cat> I'd rather not perform work that gets me death threats
[18:06] <KimiNewt> Not really
[18:06] <KimiNewt> Not when you're working for a nationstate anyway
[18:06] <KimiNewt> I don't know about black hats
[18:06] <White_Cat> unless its leaked
[18:06] <White_Cat> that can always happen because governments are if nothing else incompetent
[18:06] <KimiNewt> What's leaked?
[18:06] <White_Cat> nothing yet
[18:06] <KimiNewt> The names of people who work on it?
[18:06] <White_Cat> sure
[18:07] <White_Cat> or addresses
[18:07] <KimiNewt> The opposition states already would like you dead
[18:07] <KimiNewt> they don't care if you wrote stuxnet or mowed the lawn
[18:07] <White_Cat> ah yes
[18:07] <White_Cat> great counter intelligence assasination campaign of 2015 against law mowers
[18:07] <KimiNewt> We always joked about how the fun and games would stop once we get in a real war and one of ends up dead
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[18:08] <White_Cat> thats not too far from the truth
[18:08] <White_Cat> I had a friend in intelligence that talked about the IRA bomning of his building
[18:08] <White_Cat> the bast stopped a window away from him
[18:08] <KimiNewt> all the cybersecurity branches of the military I've encountered are very lax and non-militaristic
[18:08] <White_Cat> sure
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[18:08] <KimiNewt> dinner times
[18:08] <KimiNewt> later
[18:09] <White_Cat> dinner is overrated
[18:09] <White_Cat> see you though
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[18:51] <midgetpower> I somehow get the feeling that it's a myth that fans of "American wrestling" believe it is real.
[18:51] <midgetpower> Has anyone ever made a real "study" about this?
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[18:52] <midgetpower> Given how ridiculous it is, and how much they over-act, I don't really see how anyone could think it's "actual stuff happening".
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[18:53] <Ironholds> no idea
[18:55] <NotASpy> bet there's a former polytech in the UK that has an MA in Wrestling Studies
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[18:57] <Ironholds> Not sure when that transitioned to "let's turn our noses up at education establishments we see as beneath us" but okay
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[18:58] <{Soap}> wrestling fans will sometimes say "it's not fake, it's planned"
[18:58] <{Soap}> also, they have a lot of fans that are really  young kids
[18:58] <{Soap}> so at least *some& of them probably believe it is 100% real
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[18:59] <midgetpower> Polytech ?
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[18:59] <midgetpower> Hmm.
[18:59] <midgetpower> Yeah. I can see myself thinking that as a kid.
[19:00] <midgetpower> Especially if somebody told me that it is.
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[19:02] <Qcoder00> Polytechninc... Probably now called the University of Much Whinging
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[19:05] <Ironholds> Qcoder00, why?
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[19:08] <Qcoder00> Some former polytechnics have a tendency to have "liberal" students ;)
[19:08] <{Soap}> Maine House members launching push to impeach LePage   <--- LOL
[19:08] <{Soap}> if that happens
[19:09] <{Soap}> has that *ever * happened? impeaching a governor by his own legislature including his ow nparty members. not like California where it was a citizen recall
[19:09] <{Soap}> it wont happen though
[19:09] <Viruliento> ow nparty?
[19:09] <Viruliento> wont?
[19:09] <Qcoder00> What's Le Page done to be impeached?
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[19:10] <{Soap}> oh hi Viruliento
[19:10] <Viruliento> hi {Soap}
[19:10] <{Soap}> Qcoder00: a lot of things
[19:10] <Viruliento> Could someone translate what soap said?
[19:10] <Viruliento> to real english?
[19:10] <{Soap}> but 99% of whjat he does is just politics
[19:10] <{Soap}> the fuse that lit the fire is  Six lawmakers said Thursday they will attempt to launch impeachment proceedings against Republican Gov. Paul LePage for his alleged role in pushing Democratic House Speaker Mark Eves out of a new job at Good Will-Hinckley School.
[19:10] <Qcoder00> Soap:  Multiple choice  i) corruption  ii) Dirty tricks iii) the intern ?
[19:11] <{Soap}> i.e. he got someone fired who just so happened to be a member of the opposite party
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[19:11] <Qcoder00> so option ii
[19:11] <{Soap}> i) i guess, sex scandals arent gonna happen here
[19:11] <{Soap}> ii? ok
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[19:12] <midgetpower> Qcoder00: Whinging = Whining?
[19:13] <{Soap}> 2 different words
[19:13] <Qcoder00> Basicly...
[19:13] <{Soap}> bt yeah
[19:13] <Bsadowski1> http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Little_Whinging
[19:13] <Bsadowski1> :D
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[20:32] <GEOFBOT> Viruliento: I know i'm one hour and one score minutes late, but do you still want to know what soap said :P
[20:33] <Viruliento> hehh
[20:33] <Guest34365> Am I a guest again?
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[20:34] <GEOFBOT> Viruliento: the legislature of Maine started a legal process that can remove the governor fro office
[20:34] <GEOFBOT> *from
[20:34] <GEOFBOT> and legislators from the governor's own political party are supporting it
[20:35] <GEOFBOT> contrary to an event in California that happened a while ago
[20:35] <GEOFBOT> when the people voted in a referendum that removed the governor, rather than the legislatures
[20:36] <GEOFBOT> and that is how the terminator became governor
[20:37] <Viruliento> GEOFBOT: I know what he is saying
[20:37] <GEOFBOT> oh.
[20:37] <Viruliento> just I want to tell him PLEASE DON'T WRITE WRONG.
[20:38] <GEOFBOT> my bad
[20:38] <GEOFBOT> I cannot detect that stuff
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[21:07] <orange_rhymer> !oversight
[21:08] <MikeV> orange_rhymer: hello
[21:08] <Izhidez> hi
[21:08] <MikeV> PM one of us please
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[21:15] <git> Izhidez: your name is very appropriate. i like it.
[21:16] <Izhidez> git: lol
[21:16] <git> i haven't talked to you in forever!
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[21:28] <Izhidez> ya it's been a while, I admit
[21:28] <keren> hola aqui se habla en ingles
[21:29] <Viruliento> keren, no canaimeros
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[21:29] <Viruliento> keren: /part #wikipedia-en
[21:30] <keren> osea que es ajuro eni ingles
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[21:30] <Viruliento> keren, escribe /part #wikipedia-en
[21:30] <keren> para que
[21:30] <keren> ?
[21:30] <Viruliento> escribe
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[21:31] <keren> volvi
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[21:38] <Viruliento> !ops can someone kick jersey and ban him?
[21:38] <foks> whut
[21:38] <natuur12> Geo
[21:38] <GorillaWarfare> Oh hey, Viruliento is back.
[21:38] <NotASpy> does that mean I can put my dictionary away ?
[21:38] <Viruliento> s/jersey/keren
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[21:39] <Viruliento> !ops can someone kick keren and ban him?
[21:39] <GorillaWarfare> -.-
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[21:39] <NotASpy> lulz
[21:39] <Barras2> I was just about... :(
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[21:42] <Penwhale> well, I'd like to point out that keren was not speaking in English, so... >.>
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[22:09] <Envigado> Keren is a venezuelan canaimer
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[22:10] <Keegan> ...and T13 is banned. So that's that.
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[22:16] <git> neat
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[22:39] <Dustin> Who is envigado?
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[22:48] <GEOFBOT> Dustin: some fool
[22:48] <GEOFBOT> constantly stirring up trouble
[22:48] <GEOFBOT> globally banned from everything wikimedia
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[22:50] <Dustin> I've seen banned users on the IRC channels before without getting kicked off though
[22:51] <Dustin> Either here or on the coffeehouse, I remember seeing a user called Russavia not too long ago
[22:51] <GEOFBOT> but he is especially infamous
[22:51] <GEOFBOT> ban on sight
[22:51] <Dustin> What did this Envigado do?
[22:53] <GEOFBOT> he's constantly doing all sorts of mischief, apparently
[22:53] <GEOFBOT> someone gave me a link to a wikipedia info page about him
[22:53] <Sir_Designer> Bsadowski1  ......my newest pearl before the, ern, swi^H^H^H esteemed steamers and steampunkers of the morrow...... Sufjan Stevens in April, with dawn Landes and band, and Chicago Theatre.    https://vimeo.com/131928707
[22:53] <GEOFBOT> but I don't remember where it is
[22:53] <Dustin> What is his Wikimedia name, though?
[22:53] <Dustin> Oh, so does that mean you don't know?
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[22:57] <GEOFBOT> Dustin: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Checklijst_langdurig_structureel_vandalisme/Ge%C3%B3grafo23
[22:58] <Dustin> Why would a nl-wiki user be frequenting an en-wiki channel?
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[22:59] <Olga23> !ops ban me!
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[22:59] <Dustin> Who???
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[22:59] <A-Felicia> !ops Bye Felicia!
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[23:00] <PhL^SpCtR> !ops i love trolls!
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[23:00] <Dustin> GEOFBOT is this ongoing banning relevant?
[23:00] <GEOFBOT> no idea, i don't hang out on this channel much
[23:00] <Dustin> Or is it someone else?
[23:00] <GEOFBOT> i'm more active in the tech community
[23:01] <Dustin> Okay
[23:01] <natuur12> GEOFBOT: you speak Dutch?
[23:01] <GEOFBOT> no, its just that that user's records are on dutch wiki
[23:01] <@Izhidez> Dustin: no, just ignore it, it's people trolling the channel.
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[23:02] <Dustin> Oh, I see.
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[23:06] <Katie> Op party time?
[23:06] <IDoH> I think the ops know something we don't know.
[23:07] <@foks> \@_@/
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[23:14] <KimiNewt> That looks more like you're putting up your hands because a police car showed up (and is slightly blinding you with its lights)
[23:14] <KimiNewt> than a party
[23:15] <IDoH> True, KimiNewt
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[23:40] <Shirik> IDoH: we know all
[23:40] <IDoH> Oh. Oh dear. LOL
[23:40] <Shirik> KimiNewt: in America, that is the appropriate response
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[23:45] <CyanoTex> http://thenicestplaceontheinter.net/ Feeling down? Have a hug from people all around the world. :)
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[23:49] <AlanBell> CyanoTex: nice, I acquired the givehugs.net a while back and never figured out what to put on it
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[23:50] <AlanBell> I went through a phase of buying domains on the way back from the pub that seemed like a good idea :)
[23:50] <comets> BJ's instead?
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[23:54] <GEOFBOT> pictures of baby bears hugging people
[23:54] <GEOFBOT> huge ad revenue
[23:54] <GEOFBOT> (joke)
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[23:56] <AlanBell> I was thinking of making it a "like" or +1 button that wasn't attached to any particular social network, so you could "hug" a page, but eventually decided that a picture of a chicken would be better
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[00:03] <Sir_Designer> chicken in a pot?
[00:04] <Sir_Designer> i think that was Ike's campaign
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[00:37] <Josve05a> Does anyone know if the Education Project-IRc channel still exists?
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[01:16] <Lor_> QueenOfFrance, you around?
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[01:22] <comets> he rarely is :p
[01:22] <Lor_> Meh, nevermind then.
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[02:06] <midgetpower> Um... Regina George in Mean Girls... is she even a cheerleader? You never see her in one single scene doing anything cheerleady. Isn't the "queen bee" supposed to be cheerleader captain? I mean, she fits the role perfectly in every other way, but why did they leave this out?
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[02:24] <comets> try IMDb lol
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[02:41] <comets> so no facebook owned satellite? :(
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[03:25] <midgetpower> IMDb doesn't let you post.
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[03:42] <PontoCom_BR> Hello.
[03:43] <hoybebovino> hi
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[03:44] <Bsadowski1> :P
[03:45] <PontoCom_BR> hoybebovino/{Soap}: hi.
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[03:51] <PontoCom_BR> Symmachus and midgetpower: hello.
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[03:54] <comets> midgetpower, have u tried the forum/board section?
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[03:58] <midgetpower> What?
[03:58] <midgetpower> Again: it doesn't let you post.
[03:58] <midgetpower> So it's not an option.
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[04:04] <comets> create an account, post here > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377092/board
[04:07] <PontoCom_BR> comets: you speak portuguese brazilian?
[04:07] <comets> no
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[04:16] <PontoCom_BR> comets: oh, sorry. this link film say "Meninas Malvadas".
[04:17] <Sir_Designer> PontoCom_BR comets is Fijan. He wears a grass skirt and eats roasted ferral pigs.
[04:17] <comets> yeah it shows up as portugese from people from latin america ..
[04:18] <comets> I do not, and i REPEAT, i DO NOT eat ferral pigs.
[04:18] <Sir_Designer> ok, so they are not ferral by them.
[04:18] <Sir_Designer> by the time you ate them.
[04:18] <PontoCom_BR> Sir_Designer: what you mean?
[04:19] <Sir_Designer> it's a complicatd joke.
[04:19] <midgetpower> comets: IT. DOES. NOT. LET. YOU. POST.
[04:19] <midgetpower> It has "phone activation" bullshit like every other shitty site.
[04:19] <midgetpower> Which means it's impossible to post or do anything.
[04:19] <comets> they have an IMDB app for smart phones..
[04:19] <Sir_Designer> even eat pigs?
[04:21] <PontoCom_BR> it's a joke or joke, he had no grace. sorry.
[04:21] <Sir_Designer> you are correct, no grace in eating ferral pigs.
[04:22] <PontoCom_BR> "joke or joke" = "funny or joke"
[04:22] <Sir_Designer> well, that TOO is complicated.
[04:22] <Sir_Designer> comets there are NO ferral pigs in any atols, are there?
[04:22] <comets> no
[04:23] <Sir_Designer> see, PontoCom_BR complicated.  surreal, even.
[04:25] <PontoCom_BR> comets and Sir_Designer: ok. I got it. we can end this conversation, it is falling by personally.
[04:25] <Sir_Designer> lo siento.
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[04:31] <git> oh my god
[04:32] <git> william shatner is getting involved with gamergate now
[04:32] <comets> :O
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[04:41] <PontoCom_BR> O.O
[04:42] <{Soap}> oh nice, we have a new admin
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[04:44] <comets> amantio won?
[04:44] <{Soap}> yeah
[04:44] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ser_Amantio_di_Nicolao
[04:44] <comets> so first in 2 months?
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[05:05] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} "ser" = cheese, in Polish
[05:06] <Sir_Designer> probably likewise in tons of IndoEuropean tongues
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[05:10] <{Soap}> seems to be roughly equivalent to "sir" in Italin
[05:12] <comets> nah i'm sure it means Cheese Amantio di Nicolao ..
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[05:18] <Sir_Designer> yes, context would dictate even Big Cheese ("ser wielki") comets  {Soap}
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[06:27] <PontoCom_BR> bye, people.
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[07:09] <Symmachus> Alright... I have to ask. Who is that PontoCom_BR guy?
[07:10] <Symmachus> I met him in #wikipedia-ar and he immediately started talking about socking. I got the idea that he's a LTA account.
[07:14] <___Chess___> seems legit
[07:14] <___Chess___> you should give him your password
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[07:15] <___Chess___> and then bestow him with account creator privileges
[07:15] <Symmachus> ___Chess___: Sounds like a plan.
[07:15] <___Chess___> foolproof
[07:15] <___Chess___> What could go wrong?
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[07:15] <Symmachus> Though I should mention I don't have that particular hat.
[07:15] <___Chess___> Pinging jimbo
[07:16] <___Chess___> ¡i
[07:17] <___Chess___> uᴉɯpɐ¡
[07:17] <Symmachus> ___Chess___: Have you been drinking, my friend? ;)
[07:18] <___Chess___> No
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[07:18] <___Chess___> Kind of dehydrated
[07:18] <___Chess___> on the plus side I know some Latin
[07:19] <___Chess___> I know some now
[07:19] <Symmachus> Congrats.
[07:19] <___Chess___> ii vandalize
[07:19] <___Chess___> or something
[07:19] <___Chess___> ii vandalizunt
[07:19] <___Chess___> Amazing how much you can learn in a few hours
[07:23] <___Chess___> ii populantur Wikipedia
[07:24] <___Chess___> ii Wikipedia populantur
[07:24] <___Chess___> guess it's time to head to wikipedia-la
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[07:29] <Hoofdconducteur> Hello
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[12:37] <Anna_Frodesiak> could someone please click this
[12:37] <Anna_Frodesiak> http://www.weather.gov.hk/wxinfo/currwx/wxcht.htm#
[12:38] <Josve05a> Anna_Frodesiak: done
[12:38] <Anna_Frodesiak> and select "observations with sat image above the map
[12:38] <Anna_Frodesiak> those lines with the little tails on them
[12:38] <Anna_Frodesiak> i really need to understand what they mean
[12:38] <Anna_Frodesiak> like music notes
[12:39] <Anna_Frodesiak> that's wind, okay, i get that
[12:39] <Josve05a> 5m/s wind?
[12:39] <Anna_Frodesiak> but what are the tails, and why sometimes 2 tails?
[12:39] <Samwalton9> ooh I learnt about this ages ago
[12:39] <Samwalton9> But I've forgotten now, hang on
[12:39] <Josve05a> if 2 lines mist? if 3 lines fog?
[12:40] <Samwalton9> Found it: http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/maps/sfcobs/wnd.rxml
[12:40] <Josve05a> oh
[12:40] <Anna_Frodesiak> ah reading.....
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[12:40] <Josve05a> the "map" didn't really explain anything :P They need to update their legend
[12:40] <Anna_Frodesiak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_model#Plotted_winds
[12:41] <Anna_Frodesiak> wind barb. okay
[12:41] <Anna_Frodesiak> they do
[12:41] <Samwalton9> Not sure what the numbers are though
[12:41] <Anna_Frodesiak> thanks for http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/maps/sfcobs/wnd.rxml
[12:41] <Anna_Frodesiak> it lead me to the article
[12:42] <Anna_Frodesiak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind#/media/File:Wind_barbs.gif
[12:42] <Samwalton9> I somehow remembered seeing it in my geography school lessons years ago
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[12:43] <Anna_Frodesiak> thanks folk. very helpful.
[12:43] <Anna_Frodesiak> you know, i love this channel for quick anwers.
[12:43] <Anna_Frodesiak> answers
[12:43] <Anna_Frodesiak> but the best kept secret on the whole internet is the refdesk
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[12:44] <Josve05a> (sorry for the ping R.D.)
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[12:50] <Anna_Frodesiak> visit the refdesk!! so good
[12:50] <Anna_Frodesiak> ok back to That '70s Show. many thanks again
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[12:52] <Anna_Frodesiak> oh, and the wind barb is stupid!
[12:52] <Anna_Frodesiak> that little 45 deg thingy should be otherwise
[12:53] <Samwalton9> It does seem needlessly complicated
[12:53] <Anna_Frodesiak> why not a bunch of t shapes
[12:53] <Anna_Frodesiak> why assymetrical
[12:53] <Anna_Frodesiak> sorry about the spelling
[12:53] <Anna_Frodesiak> it makes it like the wind is blowing in a circle
[12:53] <Anna_Frodesiak> make it t shapes or ts with double crosses
[12:54] <Anna_Frodesiak> weather people! hmpffff!
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[13:16] <Anna_Frodesiak> thanks again and g'nite!
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[14:50] <darev> Hello!
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[14:52] <{soap|bed}> hi
[14:53] <Amortias> Reading Irc in bed again are we {soap}
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[14:56] <{soap|bed}> another arbcom drama
[14:57] <Amortias> Tbh it started off as a talk page drama escalated into an AN drama and has now peaked at an Arbcom drama
[14:57] <Amortias> Considering the issues involved we should have just skipped the middle step
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[15:04] <{soap|bed}> Donald Trump bans all Univision employees from golf course
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[15:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} how does one do that?
[15:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think the fall of trump started
[15:20] <{soap|bed}> what? univision isnt even Mexican?
[15:20] <{soap|bed}> its an American company
[15:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Univision dumps Trump, cancels Miss USA over his comments about Mexicans
[15:23] <{soap|bed}> Trump also said he intends to sue Univision for refusing to carry the Miss USA pageant.  "I'm going to have to sue Univision now... They have a signed contract," he said. At another point Trump said, "They'll have to pay me a lot of money."
[15:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think contracts work like this
[15:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Please be advised that under no circumstances is any officer or representative of Univision allowed to use Trump National Doral, Miami <- discrimination
[15:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Trump should be tried for hate speech
[15:28] <{soap|bed}> no such thing as "hate speech" in the USA
[15:28] <{soap|bed}> companies and schools have lists of rules etc but the 1st amendment "trumps" that
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[15:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} not necesarily.
[15:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hate speech trials do exist
[15:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> words like n*gger etc
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[15:49] <{soap|bed}> Have not heard of that.  I dont know what would the crime be called
[15:49] <{soap|bed}> again this is different from people being fired from jobs, etc, like that AT&T guy (if he actually dfid get fired)
[15:49] <{soap|bed}> because that isnt actually a crime
[15:49] <{soap|bed}> its just against the employer's code of conduct
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[15:50] <{soap|bed}> the Wikipedia article seems to suggest that that Westboro Baptist CHurch is the canonical example of the USA's freedom of speech put to practice
[15:51] <{soap|bed}> with them protesting funerals, etc, saying that the dead person is in Hell
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[16:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} most dead people go to hell according to every other religion
[16:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> In 2011, the Supreme Court issued their ruling on Snyder v. Phelps, which concerned the right of the Westboro Baptist Church to protest with signs found offensive by many Americans. The issue presented was whether the 1st Amendment protected the expressions written on the signs. In an 8-1 decision the court sided with Phelps, the head of Westboro Baptist Church, thereby confirming their
[16:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> historically strong protection of hate speech, so long as it doesn't promote imminent violence. The Court explained, "speech deals with matters of public concern when it can 'be fairly considered as relating to any matter of political, social, or other concern to the community' or when it 'is a subject of general interest and of value and concern to the public."
[16:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Thats a mouthful
[16:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} you mean this right?
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[16:07] <{soap|bed}> yeah
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[16:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} however
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[16:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a presidental candidate does not have the same free speech freedoms perhaps
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[16:21] <Qcoder00> Greek economy could crash soon
[16:21] <Bsadowski1> Yay
[16:21] <Bsadowski1> I mean.
[16:21] <Bsadowski1> Oh no!
[16:22] <Qcoder00> The Greek Government is taking a big risk it seems
[16:22] <Qcoder00> because if it's technically defaults it's going to get hurt by it's creditors anwya
[16:22] <Qcoder00> The Greeks can't win either way
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[16:39] <{soap|bed}> cool
[16:39] <{soap|bed}> "Athens, Turkey" has a nice ring to it
[16:39] <{soap|bed}> or perhaps "Athens, Macedonia"
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[16:43] <Qcoder00> Athens, a manged subsidurary of Duestchebank :(
[16:48] <{soap|bed}> i guess that could work too
[16:48] <{soap|bed}> since Germany seems to be the one who pulls all the other countries out of their messes these days
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[17:03] <{soap|bed}> hi Kingpin
[17:03] <Kingpin13> S'up
[17:06] <{soap|bed}> i dont think ive seen you here in a while
[17:07] <{soap|bed}> Good to see you again
[17:09] <Kingpin13> Yeah, I've not been around for a while. I'm not really properly back tbh
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[17:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 there is a way greece can win
[17:42] <Qcoder00> How>
[17:42] <Qcoder00> ?
[17:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if they get invaded by persoans again and they win with 300 spartans
[17:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> their armor will melt for raw materials
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[17:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It is as hopeful as that happening
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[17:43] <{soap|bed}> hmm
[17:43] <{soap|bed}> whatever happened to Sparta anyway
[17:43] <{soap|bed}> like i know they lsot the war and Athens took over and probably dfestroyed everything
[17:44] <{soap|bed}> but i'd think there'd at least still be a city there
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[17:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sparta couldnt figure out where it was
[17:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> most ancient greek cities got lost to time
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[17:46] <{soap|bed}> oh wow
[17:46] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta_(modern)
[17:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> modern version exists
[17:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> multiple ones
[17:46] <{soap|bed}> it really did survive. although, qyite possibly, not continuous
[17:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no it didnt
[17:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> uring the Punic Wars Sparta was an ally of the Roman Republic. Spartan political independence was put to an end when it was eventually forced into the Achaean League. In 146 BC Greece was conquered by the Roman general Lucius Mummius. Following the Roman conquest, the Spartans continued their way of life, and the city became a tourist attraction for the Roman elite who came to observe
[17:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> exotic Spartan customs
[17:47] <{soap|bed}> yeah it was "founded" in 1834 AD
[17:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> According to Byzantine sources, some parts of the Laconian region remained pagan until well into the 10th century AD. Doric-speaking populations survive today in Tsakonia. In the Middle Ages, the political and cultural center of Laconia shifted to the nearby settlement of Mystras. Modern Sparti was re-founded in 1834, by a decree of King Otto of Greece.
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[17:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> As greece gained independence from ottomans
[17:47] <{soap|bed}> definitely true. though they just call it Tsakonian i believe
[17:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they started rebuilding ancient greece that ceased to exist before ottomans arrived
[17:47] <{soap|bed}> its definitely a separate language, not just a dialect of Greek
[17:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ancient greek city states were individual countries
[17:48] <{soap|bed}> true
[17:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Greece is a unifiaction of said states into one alliance
[17:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not a union, at least not initially
[17:48] <{soap|bed}> but they did still have a name "Greece" showing that they thought of themselves as a people even if not unified, right?
[17:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thereis also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isparta
[17:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} the elite of the alliance would never acnowledge it
[17:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its less like EU member states thinking themselves as European
[17:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> A French President would not put himself as an equal to a German one
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[17:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> both would be more concerned of national interests rather than interests of Europe
[17:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Europe -> EU
[17:50] <{soap|bed}> wow it gets cold there
[17:50] <{soap|bed}> in Isparta
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[17:51] <{soap|bed}> surprising for a not-really-that-high evelvation
[17:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> climate of central part of that region is independent of the land around it due to how tall mountains surround it
[17:54] <{soap|bed}> there must be good skiing in Turkey all over the place
[17:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I believe so
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[18:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "Jamaican blend, double strong, double sweet."
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[18:55] <{soap|bed}> of interest perhaps to nobody but me
[18:55] <{soap|bed}> google search for "Clinton's" turns up an infobox and pages about Bill Clinton
[18:56] <{soap|bed}> but google search for "Clinton" turns up an infobox and pages about Hillary Clinton
[18:56] <{soap|bed}> whoa Hillary Clinton was born in Chicago
[18:56] <{soap|bed}> hold on guys
[18:56] <{soap|bed}> i see whats going on here
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[18:56] <{soap|bed}> Chicago is trying to take over the world
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[19:00] <{soap|bed}> and people are making fun of her campaign logo for being too Republican
[19:00] <{soap|bed}> "oh no the arrow points forward to the RIGHT! she must be secretly a conservative"
[19:01] <{soap|bed}> "oh no the arrow is RED!  Red is so un-Democratic, I mean our flag is blue and white, right?"
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} not true
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it shows of the economic future of chicaco
[19:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> everyone wants to find a way to get out
[19:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Its almost as bad as Ohio
[19:06] <{soap|bed}> http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/daily-cartoon-150413-hillary-690.jpg
[19:06] <{soap|bed}> Ohio's all right I guess
[19:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Do you know where wright brothers are from?
[19:07] <{soap|bed}> its not like all the economic activity is concentrated in one city and the other 99% of the state is living in pestilence
[19:07] <{soap|bed}> its just sort of average all around
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[19:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do you know the state with most astronauts?
[19:07] <{soap|bed}> ToAruShiroiNeko: Chicago Im guessing? even if they got famous in NC
[19:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> No Ohio
[19:07] <{soap|bed}> oh OK
[19:07] <{soap|bed}> yeah Ohio has that cute little logo on their state quarter
[19:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.cracked.com/article_18421_6-insane-coincidences-you-wont-believe-actually-happened_p2.html
[19:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Well, 59 years later, another Ohioan heard that the U.S. government was shooting people into space. Since this offered him a chance to get further away from Ohio than any aircraft, he replied "Sign my ass up."
[19:10] <{soap|bed}> funny that NC claims it
[19:11] <{soap|bed}> when NC has a lot of other good things
[19:12] <{soap|bed}> but theyre all like "yeah we invented the airplane right here in good old North Carolina"
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[19:53] <wp-217IP> Can anyone help explain WP:GNG to me? It seems like regardless of how notable I am as a person and in my career, as long as I can get 2 or 3 " significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" that I can qualify to have an article. What if I manage to get 2 or 3 places to write about how NOT notable I am - does having those 2 or 3 articles alone mean I am notable enough for Wikipedia?
[19:54] <wp-217IP> It just seems like a silly standard
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[20:01] <wp-217IP> Like here's an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Shing - he was interviewed on MSNBC, then the New Yorker wrote an article that could be summarized as "Hey isn't this guy weird looking? And doesn't he act weird? How weird!" and then a bunch of people wrote about the New Yorker article.
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[20:01] <wp-217IP> He's never apparently done anything notable other than managing to get on MSNBC with a weird haircut
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[20:02] <SigmaWP> wut
[20:02] <wp-217IP> I am trying to understand WP:GNG
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[20:05] <SigmaWP> eh.
[20:05] <SigmaWP> i don't even edit anymore
[20:06] <SigmaWP> wp-217IP: I think '2 or 3 " significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"' is an indication of how notable you are as a person and in your career
[20:06] <SigmaWP> there's a ton of other stuff too
[20:06] <SigmaWP> regarding the haircut
[20:06] <SigmaWP> WP:BIO and stuff.
[20:07] <SigmaWP> I haven't edited in a while so I forget.
[20:07] <wp-217IP> but mainstream media will cover the most mundane things, David Shing is an example. It could have just been a slow news day.
[20:07] <wp-217IP> having the equivalent of a circus clown for laughs for an interview doesn't necessarily mean he's notable
[20:08] <wp-217IP> so why does WP use that as a standard of notability?
[20:08] <SigmaWP> it's general
[20:08] <SigmaWP> WP:BIO
[20:08] <SigmaWP> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MUSICBIO
[20:08] <SigmaWP> stuff like that.
[20:09] <SigmaWP> the guidelines get more specific
[20:09] <SigmaWP> if you look at a more specific category
[20:09] <wp-217IP> I've read WP:BIO like a billion times. I understand the material there, I just dont understand the justficiation for it
[20:09] <SigmaWP> for the thing you're writing
[20:09] <SigmaWP> Also there's #wikipedia-en-help
[20:10] <wp-217IP> The issue I have is that in AfD, people justify notability regardless of the person or category as long as they have 2 articles in mainstream media written that include information about them
[20:10] <wp-217IP> 2 articles? NOTABLE! end of story.
[20:10] <wp-217IP> the articles don't even have to be directly about the subject, they just have to have information
[20:11] <SigmaWP> You're really talking to the wrong person
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[20:12] <SigmaWP> Huon is in there and he probably knows
[20:12] <SigmaWP> Also he speaks German so you can ask him questions about that if you're trying to learn but are getting confused
[20:12] <wp-217IP> I will ask him, thanks.
[20:12] <SigmaWP> yeh
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[21:16] <Gangster> hi
[21:17] <Gangster> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/14e0275ee0bb0a46
[21:18] <GEOFBOT> ?
[21:19] <Gangster> hllo
[21:19] <Gangster> how are you
[21:19] <GEOFBOT> fine, you?
[21:19] <Gangster> also fine
[21:19] <Gangster> where are you from?
[21:19] <Gangster> there?
[21:19] <GEOFBOT> usa
[21:19] <Gangster> okay
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[21:20] <Gangster> hahaha
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[21:20] <Gangster> are youa bot?
[21:21] <GEOFBOT> no
[21:21] <Gangster> ok
[21:21] <Gangster> owner of this room?
[21:21] <GEOFBOT> no
[21:21] <Gangster> so who ARE you
[21:22] <GEOFBOT> a person
[21:22] <Gangster> lol
[21:22] <Gangster> i am Raza from pakistan :)
[21:22] <Gangster> what do you do?
[21:22] <GEOFBOT> cool, nice to meet you
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[21:22] <Gangster> same here :)
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[23:52] <SigmaWP> Hahc21: Jan Mayen is the best
[23:52] <Hahc21> ^^
[23:52] <Hahc21> Long time since I last joined this channel
Session Time: Sun Jun 28 00:00:00 2015
[00:00] <Peter-C> The moment your watchlist is filled with AWB edits changings http to https for many sites <3
[00:00] <Peter-C> Is this going to be some sort of bot done thing going forward?
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[00:03] <Steven_Zhang> any admins/people good with js around?
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[00:08] <Steven_Zhang> ggoryou around?
[00:08] <Steven_Zhang> GorillaWarfare even
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[00:09] <foks> What are you needed?
[00:09] <foks> * needing?
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[00:09] <Steven_Zhang> ah foks :D
[00:09] <Steven_Zhang> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nothing444/monobook.js
[00:09] <foks> (I'm only reasonable with JS)
[00:09] <Steven_Zhang> that user had a script in their monobook that created a warning popup
[00:09] <Steven_Zhang> if they edited a certain namespace, i believe userspave
[00:09] <Steven_Zhang> i need that code
[00:10] <Steven_Zhang> please (:
[00:10] <foks> heh
[00:10] <Steven_Zhang> it should be in the deleted history somewhere
[00:23] <GorillaWarfare> Steven_Zhang: Yep
[00:23] <GorillaWarfare> Oh
[00:23] <GorillaWarfare> I'm working on other stuff rn
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[00:25] <foks> GorillaWarfare, it's all good
[00:30] <Steven_Zhang> sorted :)
[00:34] <Steven_Zhang> Can yogoping
[00:34] <Steven_Zhang> foks: ping
[00:35] <Steven_Zhang> or any admin even, it only takes a moment
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[00:56] <Steven_Zhang> GorillaWarfare: you around?
[00:56] <Steven_Zhang> for something quick
[00:57] <GorillaWarfare> What?
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[01:00] <Steven_Zhang> GorillaWarfare: i've been delegated authority to implement topic bans on my mentee
[01:01] <Steven_Zhang> as per this ANI https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=666122521#Knowledgekid87
[01:01] <Steven_Zhang> I am now implementing a topic ban as he broke a voluntary restriction
[01:02] <Steven_Zhang> to remind him of the restriction i've created a namepsace reminder script
[01:02] <Steven_Zhang> but it needs to be added to their .js file and I can't do that.
[01:03] <GorillaWarfare> Have them do it?
[01:03] <Steven_Zhang> mmm
[01:03] <Steven_Zhang> i want it full prot as well so they can't remove it
[01:03] <GorillaWarfare> That seems pretty weird
[01:04] <Steven_Zhang> remember Nothing444?
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[01:04] <GorillaWarfare> No
[01:04] <Steven_Zhang> they had a similar script
[01:05] <Steven_Zhang> its ok i'll ask them too do it\
[01:05] <Steven_Zhang> gota run
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[01:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SteveAway let them take the responsibility
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[01:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they will ignore you if they enjoy being blocked.
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[01:39] <Josve05a> Any admins awake?
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[01:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so greece does not have the money to pay of debt but does have the money to hold something as expensive as a referandum?
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[03:42] <Eatmeimaredbean> a
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[03:44] <GEOFBOT> a sentient red bean :o
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[03:50] <HoyBeboVino> grr
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[03:51] <GEOFBOT> oooh espanol
[03:58] <JeDa> español!
[03:58] <GEOFBOT> "Today I drink wine" I got it right?
[03:59] <{Soap}> yeah
[03:59] <GEOFBOT> yessss B)
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[04:17] <Steven_Zhang> RFAR is painful blergh
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[04:21] <Bsadowski1> Steven_Zhang!
[04:21] <Steven_Zhang> hey
[04:21] <Symmachus> {Soap}, you alive and kicking?
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[04:33] <{Soap}> havent kicked any\one lately
[04:33] <{Soap}> Im trying to be more peaceful
[04:35] <Symmachus> {Soap}: Haha.
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[05:34] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} are you so peaceful as to resemble a ...nativity scene?
[05:36] <Sir_Designer> u know, soap laid out in hay-bound vessel, like in them Texan/Okkie Bath & Beyonds?
[05:37] <Sir_Designer> Bsadowski1 you around?
[05:37] <{Soap}> i bought the absolute most precious bed sheet set there
[05:38] <Bsadowski1> This is {Soap}: http://www.mcquadesmarket.com/McQuades_Pharmacy/items/data/upimages/soap.jpg
[05:38] <{Soap}> i am the cheapest person i know. try and get me to buy anything other than the cheapest thing in the store
[05:38] <{Soap}> But I paid $100 for a comofrter and matching pillow set and it was worth it
[05:38] <Sir_Designer> hew he he  (or in espanyol: je je je)
[05:39] <{Soap}> the power went out in the middle of winter and the temperature in our house fell below 40F
[05:39] <{Soap}> i needed something really powerful to keep me warm
[05:40] <Sir_Designer> polish vodka, wódka, is the typical bed (sic) choice in those dire straights
[05:41] <Symmachus> I prefer aqua vitae.
[05:41] <Symmachus> Otherwise known as "Everclear", or "moonshine".
[05:42] <Sir_Designer> is that rhe blue Pete The Reds cheek choice?
[05:42] <Sir_Designer> too late
[05:43] <Sir_Designer> aqua velva?
[05:43] <Symmachus> The cologne?
[05:43] <Sir_Designer> or aqua velveeta?   a kind of post-cheese
[05:43] <Sir_Designer> yes!
[05:45] <{Soap}> http://www.mcquadesmarket.com/McQuades_Pharmacy/items/data/upimages/soap.jpg <-- wait what? an animated .... JPG???
[05:45] <Sir_Designer> imagine, Pete Rose, Johnny Bench... what would they plug today?  Who would they adhere to?
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[05:47] <Symmachus> Aqua vitae traditionally refers to a really strong distilled brandy (70-80% ABV). Like, ridiculously strong. Or in the Nordic countries, more of an herbal infused vodka-like beverage (30 - 50%). I was referring to the former... Not really like the brand-name Everclear, but it's basically wine moonshine.
[05:48] <Symmachus> At that point, there's not really much "wine" taste anymore.
[05:48] <{Soap}> hmm
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[05:49] <Sir_Designer> thanks Symmachus.
[05:49] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} when I save it, it wants to be: soap.jpg.gif
[05:49] <Symmachus> Sir_Designer: Always happy to be a source of useless trivial information. :)
[05:49] <{Soap}> yeah there is techbnically such a thing as an animated JPG but it is generally just called MPG
[05:49] <Sir_Designer> not so
[05:50] <Sir_Designer> very trivial may well be very useful.
[05:51] <Symmachus> Sir_Designer: If you're in a position to grow some vines, you should try it sometime. After you bottle a bit of wine. Stills aren't difficult to make.
[05:51] <Sir_Designer> heh.
[05:51] <Symmachus> It's the wine-making, not the distillation part that's difficult.
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[05:52] <Sir_Designer> this brings up my fathers southern exposure wall in Cincinnati, and The Oposum that eats all the grapes.
[05:54] <Sir_Designer> it's straight out of Ovid.
[05:54] <Symmachus> Ha.
[05:55] <Symmachus> Possums eating grapes?
[05:56] <Sir_Designer> entirely Cincinnati Ohio given.  100% possum 100% of the grapes, at that.
[05:56] <Sir_Designer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovid
[05:57] <Sir_Designer> it's like imported Belgian chocolates to the opossum.   Lady Godiva.
[05:58] <Sir_Designer> not sure if it shakes them down or scales the vines
[06:00] <Sir_Designer> my father calls all the living things that feed on his hard toil effects of.... Fellow Cincinnatians.   Birds especially.
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[06:29] <TeaLover1996> Hi
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[06:32] <{Soap}> wb Keegan
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[06:37] <TeaLover1996> Hi
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[06:38] <{soap|bed}> hi Tea
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[06:43] <TeaLover1996> I need help
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[06:55] <Sir_Designer> I dare you /  To take me on / I dare you/ To show me your palms       -- "5 Years",  http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bjork/5years.html                 http://wawalove.pl/Joanna-Rajkowska-Nie-przesuwajcie-palmy-a12696      (google transate the link in Google Chrome, etcetera)
[06:55] <Sir_Designer> TeaLover1996 say when.
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[06:58] <TeaLover1996> I have been told I dont fully understand what is vandalism and what is not
[06:59] <Penwhale> TeaLover1996: explain a bit more in details
[07:00] <TeaLover1996> I have been told that my reverts using stiki were not vandalism and were told that I dont understand what is and what isnt vandalism
[07:02] <Penwhale> hang on, TeaLover1996...
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[07:05] <Penwhale> TeaLover1996: this is clearly not a correct revert, for one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ross_Barkley&diff=prev&oldid=668652168
[07:05] <TeaLover1996> I have been told that already
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[07:10] <Penwhale> Vandalism is damage to an article on purpose
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[07:10] <Penwhale> there's a difference between good faith edits and vandalism
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[07:25] <Sir_Designer> to all who appreciate inuendo the art form:
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[07:28] <Sir_Designer> (comment successfully lodged under the previously linked Polish-language article about the faux-palm in Warsaw at Aleje Jerozolimskie and Nowy Świat street intersection aka Rondo de Gaulle)
[07:28] <Sir_Designer> w.kość.24 minuty temu
[07:28] <Sir_Designer> powiedział sobie taki to tam Gość: "Pani Rajkowska chce po prostu przejść do historii. To chyba przesada!" No to dopełniam: m. st. Wa-wa właśnie proponuje pzesadzić. palmę. No cóż. W czym strach, panie Lach? Lachistanem myśmy zwane, wszyscy jesteśmy lesbijkami czy tu czytam. marek@asgp.org Serious inquiries only.
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[07:36] <slakr> "Delete - fails GNG and fails the children who attend —МандичкаYO 😜 21:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)"
[07:36] <slakr> I loled
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[08:05] <SigmaWP> slakr: Is that the afd for MIT?
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[08:05] <slakr> huh?
[08:05] <SigmaWP> [00:35:13] <slakr> "Delete - fails GNG and fails the children who attend —МандичкаYO 😜 21:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)"
[08:05] <slakr> lol
[08:05] <slakr> I see what you did there (now) :P
[08:06] <slakr> also [[Liberty University]]
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[08:07] <SigmaWP> its motto is "Knowledge aflame"
[08:07] <SigmaWP> aka book burning
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[08:08] <slakr> oh my god
[08:08] <slakr> I had to google because I thought that was probably subtle vandalism
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[08:08] <slakr> nope... that literally is the motto
[08:08] <slakr> lol
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[08:10] <elee> wait
[08:10] <elee> are we talking about MIT slakr and SigmaWP?
[08:10] <elee> oh wait
[08:10] <elee> I get it
[08:10] <slakr> no, [[Liberty University]]
[08:10] <elee> ugh
[08:11] <elee> yeah SigmaWP was making a joke
[08:11] <elee> SigmaWP: no, MIT doesn't fail children, MIT fails adults.
[08:11] <slakr> we both were, but it turns out that as far as the motto goes, truth is stranger than fiction
[08:11] <SigmaWP> ^
[08:11] <elee> heh
[08:12] <slakr> I've grown increasingly skeptical about even the private ivy league schools
[08:12] <SigmaWP> why?
[08:12] <elee> because $$$ and private.
[08:12] <SigmaWP> that's not really a reason to be skeptical of their academics
[08:13] <slakr> well, they let smart people in for free, then make their money and build the buildings off rich people paying for their kids to get a piece of paper saying they're smart by-association
[08:13] <elee> sure, but those are reasons to be skeptical of the institution
[08:13] <elee> wait, they totally do not let people in for free
[08:14] <elee> I think you're talking about Harvard, not MIT =]
[08:14] <slakr> if you're likely to do Great Things(tm) then they do
[08:14] <elee> er...
[08:14] <elee> you know how financial aid works right?
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[08:15] <elee> MIT admissions is need blind.
[08:15] <kangaroopower> chances are still insanely low though
[08:15] <kangaroopower> Does anyone here code javascript for wikipedia btw?
[08:15] <slakr> I'm sure on paper everything is blind.
[08:15] <kangaroopower> I don't think they'd lie about being need blind
[08:16] <slakr> but rich people pay top dollar (hundreds of thousands or millions) to get their kids into "good schools"
[08:16] <kangaroopower> ok let me rephrase
[08:16] <kangaroopower> if you donate a million dollars
[08:16] <kangaroopower> your kid's getting in probably
[08:16] <kangaroopower> but
[08:16] <kangaroopower> if you're dirt poor
[08:16] <kangaroopower> that doesn't hurt your chances
[08:16] <slakr> no of course not
[08:16] <slakr> in fact
[08:16] <elee> kangaroopower: what do you mean (code js for wp)
[08:16] <elee> wait what
[08:17] <kangaroopower> I'm having problems using mw.loader.implement
[08:17] <elee> I've yet to see one of those rich kids
[08:17] <slakr> even if you're dirt poor, as long as you can make the people paying want to keep paying (i.e., you aren't expected to devalue the degree), then you're fine, presumably.
[08:17] <elee> every single person I've met so far is a solid person
[08:17] <elee> some are richer than others, so they just pay more
[08:17] <kangaroopower> oh you go to MIT?
[08:17] <slakr> I'm just saying, for-profit education, regardless of the level, has eventualities bourne from self-interest.
[08:17] <kangaroopower> by the super rich kids I was mostly referring to the stereotypes- I'm not saying that those people necessarily go to MIT
[08:18] <slakr> hence my skepticism of a piece of paper coming from them
[08:18] <elee> how does one... shut off a cloak?
[08:20] <slakr> elee: i.e., get rid of your wikimedia one?
[08:20] <elee> yeah
[08:20] <slakr> like, for the indefinite future?
[08:20] <elee> no just to show my hostname
[08:21] <elee> oh wait
[08:21] <slakr> oh. Just disconnect and reconnect without identifying to nickserv
[08:21] <elee> heh
[08:21] <slakr> if you just want it for your own information
[08:21] <slakr> do /userhost elee
[08:21] <slakr> and look in your status window
[08:21] <slakr> the normal host is everything after @
[08:21] <elee> slakr: yeah
[08:22] <elee> or you know what screw this
[08:22] <elee> hold on
[08:22] <slakr> if you want to get rid of it *permanently* you can ask one of the staffers in #freenode for an unaffiliated cloak
[08:22] <slakr> well, permanently as in "until you ask wikimedia's irc group contact(s) for it again"
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[08:23] <slakr> :P
[08:23] <leee> kangaroopower: did you want verification of MIT affiliation? =p
[08:23] <elee> kek
[08:23] <kangaroopower> ahaha I just went to your userpage lol
[08:24] <slakr> anyway, I'm sure MIT is probably fine all in all
[08:24] <leee> heh
[08:24] <elee> slakr: perhaps not though.
[08:25] <elee> Just because an apple is shiny and red on the outside doesn't mean the inside is good
[08:25] <elee> It can be rotten to the core.
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[08:28] <slakr> that's true, but to say it's necessarily "rotten to the core" might be going a little far if all they do is let in kids whose parents pay the school to sustain it.  It's still shady (i.e., "nudge nudge") and hence my skepticism, though in all reality, the history of private education is probably full of that practice behind the scenes. :P
[08:28] <elee> ah wait I was trying to steer this another direction
[08:28] <slakr> I'd still be a little pissed if I went there and found out my hard work to both get there and graduate could simply be paid for if you were born to rich parents :P
[08:28] <elee> https://www.reddit.com/r/mit/comments/3az96m/who_are_the_8_mit_people_who_died_this_past_year/
[08:29] <elee> It's known MIT is doing a subpar job of handling mental health issues
[08:29] <elee> MIT is good about admissions - like I said I've yet to see anyone who got in thanks to "Daddy/Mommy" or whatever funky phrase people use
[08:30] <elee> if you get in and you're rich as hell, you'll probably pay all 60k per year.
[08:30] <slakr> right; that's why it slides.  When it happens, they keep a low profile
[08:30] <elee> if you're not, then MIT will use alumni donations and federal funding to get you a good finaid package.
[08:30] <slakr> hence the reason it's not "rotten to the core"
[08:31] <elee> right
[08:31] <slakr> I mean, it's moral relativity to a large extent.  Yeah, it can be considered "bad" when it does happen, but presumably the net gain to the school outweighs the marginal loss to its reputation (which is obviously smaller)
[08:31] <elee> IMHO - there are parts of MIT that definitely are shady and "bad" and my skepticism meter still rings off the charts
[08:32] <elee> that being said, if I could change anything regarding my time at MIT, I wouldn't
[08:32] <slakr> admittedly, if I were the school, I'd rather the $40 million for a new science center or whatever, even if it means Johnny Dumb is tacitly part of the deal
[08:32] <slakr> :P
[08:32] <slakr> doesn't mean I'm any less skeptical :P
[08:32] <slakr> yeah, I mean, I visited the campus a few years back and they had some cool end-of-semester party thing going on
[08:33] <slakr> and tons of their research has been great
[08:33] <slakr> so I guess, in a way, MIT is the exception to the rule
[08:33] <slakr> my impression of Harvard, on the other hand.... :P
[08:34] <elee> LOL
[08:34] <elee> oh Harvard
[08:34] <slakr> exactly.
[08:34] <slakr> lol
[08:34] <elee> you magnificent bastard
[08:34] <slakr> I mean
[08:34] <slakr> the general air between the two schools
[08:34] <elee> yeah
[08:34] <slakr> you go to MIT and people are clearly happy and thriving for the most part
[08:34] <elee> they're complete total opposites
[08:34] <elee> slakr: "happy"
[08:34] <elee> LOL
[08:34] <slakr> you take the subway a few stops down
[08:34] <elee> no.
[08:34] <slakr> okay
[08:34] <elee> "thriving"
[08:34] <elee> lol.
[08:34] <elee> no.
[08:34] <slakr> happy by comparison
[08:35] <slakr> BY COMPARISON :P
[08:35] <elee> comparison to?
[08:35] <slakr> harvard.
[08:35] <elee> like when I go to harvard, I see frat bros partying 24/7
[08:35] <slakr> I've never seen so many stressed, depressed people
[08:35] <slakr> that too
[08:35] <elee> I see people just chilling and just focusing on grades and shit
[08:35] <slakr> I think *that* is more what I'm alluding to
[08:35] <slakr> granted, I went around finals week
[08:35] <elee> last but not least, I see people just in it to get a degree
[08:36] <elee> the air is completely different in MIT - you learn for the sake of learning and applying what you learn
[08:36] <slakr> right.. that's what I'm saying about "thriving"
[08:36] <slakr> a plant that grows... thrives
[08:36] <elee> kek
[08:36] <slakr> if you're just going through the motions, however, it's more status-quo
[08:36] <elee> right
[08:36] <slakr> that was my distinct impression of harvard.
[08:37] <elee> ++
[08:37] <elee> I thought this is what #wikimedia-social was for?
[08:38] <elee> I thought this is what #wikimedia-social was for?
[08:38] <slakr> pff... -en was around long before that channel :P
[08:38] <slakr> besides, nobody needs help in here right now
[08:38] <elee> heh
[08:38] <elee> we should totally start #wm-lounge
[08:39] <slakr> woo hoo... more idling channels! :P
[08:40] <slakr> -en-help, I'd say, is the "strict," no-conversation/no-off-topic channel, simply because 90% of the time someone is there being actively helped and guided through things.
[08:40] <slakr> (or will be soon)
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[08:40] <jubo2> Cheezy breads to the peoples. Jubo-jubo is here
[08:40] <slakr> here, it's largely people used to enwiki chilling, seeking an admin, looking for input, or just random chat. :P
[08:41] <slakr> (with priority to actual on-topic stuff)
[08:41] <jubo2> slakr: well you know with software support channels
[08:41] <jubo2> no traffic == good for us
[08:41] <jubo2> traffic == usually someone or some thing having troubles
[08:41] <slakr> to an extent... but this isn't as much a software channel
[08:42] <jubo2> slakr: I wasn't implying it is. It is not
[08:42] <jubo2> I was against moving offtopic to #wikimedia-social
[08:42] <jubo2> because I was sure it wouldn't work
[08:42] <jubo2> and it didn't. There is no mentionable OT there
[08:43] <jubo2> But the sysop(presseur)ators had set their mind
[08:43] <slakr> plus, there's a huge thing that *is* on-topic, and that *is* being social, as wikipedia is still a community, fundamentally.  People get all burned out if it's "srs business" all the time in the same way they would volunteering for any other non-profit
[08:43] <jubo2> So any reasonable software support channle should have an -offtopic channel as well
[08:45] <slakr> also interestingly, I ended up uploading a bunch of pictures + sticking them in some articles the other day because of a conversation I had about a parasitic plant
[08:45] <elee> slakr: oh dear god I'm saturating my 150MB/s drop
[08:45] <slakr> not about an article, but because of the random thing taht made me check the article
[08:45] <slakr> I'd almost like to say I can blame SigmaWP :P
[08:45] <slakr> but I forgot :P
[08:46] <jubo2> elee: mad dubstep drop?
[08:46] <elee> yeah 4 stories
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[08:47] <jubo2> I get new deal: 100 / 10 Mbit/s hardline + Unlimited 4G == 20€ / month
[08:48] <jubo2> I've deviced a new word
[08:48] <jubo2> "radio spectrum ecological"
[08:48] <elee> jesus christ
[08:48] <jubo2> I'll give an example sentence to illustrate
[08:48] <elee> what kind of sad deal is that
[08:48] <elee> are you...
[08:48] <elee> european!?
[08:49] <slakr> to be fair, there are people in the US that still have to use dialup
[08:49] <slakr> lol
[08:50] <jubo2> "Using a hard line for heavy lifting is radio spectrum ecologically wise."
[08:50] <slakr> I laugh because it's so sad that we can subsidize and build a trans-national highway system for the free use of the public, but we're feckless when it comes to doing the same for fiber.
[08:50] <jubo2> slakr: USian ?
[08:50] <slakr> yes
[08:50] <jubo2> Oi desolé
[08:51] <jubo2> slakr: In Finlan in the country side you may have to rely on 3(.5)G conennections unless the village decides to coop and lay a fiber bunch
[08:51] <jubo2> I think if you're totally in the woods of the woods then maybe not even 3.5G coverage
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[08:52] <slakr> eww
[08:52] <jubo2> so EDGE it is for some.. theoretical maximum speed 110kbit/s, most advanced of 2G
[08:53] <jubo2> I love the villages that decide to invest on the future
[08:53] <jubo2> Lagless.. as far as human can tell
[08:53] <slakr> "n October 2009, Finland's Ministry of Transport and Communications committed to ensuring that every person in Finland can access the Internet at a minimum speed of one megabit per second starting July 2010.[3]"
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[08:54] <slakr> nice
[08:54] <slakr> I wonder if that actually happened
[08:54] <jubo2> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33268180 - OneWeb planning to deploy few thousand ultra-cheap satellites at 20 orbital planes at ~ 1,200km height
[08:54] <jubo2> They are serious about affordable and low lag satellite interweb for all of globe
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[08:55] <slakr> I think google's playing with balloons
[08:56] <slakr> for internet in, e.g., Africa iirc
[08:56] <slakr> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Loon
[08:56] <jubo2> They are using the the Sojuz delivery method operated by ESA with ~ 36 satellites / launch and then the Virgin Aerospace ( or whatevs it is called ) for 1-3 satellite payload for replacements
[08:57] <jubo2> And the sats..
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[08:57] <jubo2> Comms satellites can cost 100 mln €
[08:57] <jubo2> The satellites the OneWeb uses are aimed to be costing 0.5 mln / piece
[08:58] <slakr> oh nice
[08:58] <jubo2> The news piece just said that normal price of delivery to orbit item is 100 mln / pop
[08:58] <slakr> but still you have to get them up there and up to speed
[08:58] <slakr> right
[08:58] <jubo2> They had this one chip designer also on the team
[08:59] <jubo2> I don't recall which
[08:59] <slakr> yeah, but I think the big cost is *getting* it to orbit, not just making the satellite.
[08:59] <jubo2> check the bbc.com link if you interested in affordable truly global internet subscription
[08:59] <jubo2> slakr: yea
[09:00] <jubo2> I hear the delivery vehicles burn lik 40 tonnes of fuel for the trip
[09:00] <jubo2> or something in that order of magnitude
[09:00] <slakr> I'll be interested to see how much they charge
[09:01] <slakr> so far t-mobile gives me free data roaming (3G) in any of the countries I normally go to
[09:01] <jubo2> slakr: they should partner up with land-based ISPs to provide a total intenet package
[09:01] <slakr> which is realistically fine for me presently :P
[09:01] <jubo2> ( i.e. landline + wireless + satellite for foreign trips )
[09:01] <jubo2> slakr: Deutsch ?
[09:02] <slakr> technically the US version
[09:02] <jubo2> axa
[09:02] <jubo2> slakr: we have following deals on the markets now
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[09:03] <jubo2> Finland + Scandinavia + Baltic all phone calls, messages and data in the plan
[09:03] <jubo2> but is from shit operator
[09:03] <slakr> lol
[09:03] <jubo2> Then there is Finland + All of Europe as much calls, sms and data as you want
[09:03] <jubo2> but it is 5€ / d
[09:03] <jubo2> and marketed for businesses
[09:04] <jubo2> It was nice when EU stepped in to lower the maximum roaming charges
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[09:04] <slakr> yeah that's something that's goofy about Europe... the cellular stuff
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[09:05] <slakr> every country seems to be very rigid when it comes to their borders
[09:05] <slakr> despite the reality that everyone traverses them readily
[09:05] <slakr> people have to literally pop out their sim cards at the border
[09:05] <slakr> lol
[09:07] <slakr> rail kind of feels like that, too, to an extent, and understandably so
[09:07] <jubo2> slakr: At the change of the millenium USia had 3 competing uninteroperable cell phone technologies meanwhile EU just had GSM
[09:07] <slakr> you can always pay for "one pass everywhere" but it certainly costs you
[09:07] <slakr> this is true
[09:07] <jubo2> Global System Mondiale originally
[09:08] <slakr> but even though GSM was the standard, the fees for roaming, on the other hand (like you were saying) :P
[09:08] <jubo2> In ICT people always rework these acronyms a posteriori
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[09:10] <jubo2> xaxa.. random fact comes to mind.. at one point SAN, NAS and SNA fought over the big data storage turf of the time
[09:10] <jubo2> of these apparently NAS won since it is stil in use
[09:11] <jubo2> now restyled to always be an abbreviation of "Network Attached Storage"
[09:11] <jubo2> originally it stood for "Network Area Storage"
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[09:12] <slakr> which I think makes more sense than SAN... SAN more describes the best practice--i.e., sticking storage on its own network--whereas NAS describes the thing itself (i.e., "that's one of our NASes over there.")
[09:13] <HiMousie> Hello slakr *hums and sings a random song*
[09:13] <slakr> sup mouse
[09:14] <HiMousie> Packing.. looking for containers etc
[09:14] <HiMousie> You tell?
[09:14] <jubo2> HiMousie: iDM?
[09:14] <jubo2> I tell the truth
[09:14] <HiMousie> Hei jubo2  bebe
[09:14] <jubo2> The Scots are going to save the world and I am not your gender bebe
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[09:14] <HiMousie> What scots?
[09:15] <HiMousie> If I wear a kilt and play bagpipes doesn't make me a Scot.
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[09:15] <HiMousie> Fucking containers , 6000 USD
[09:16] <slakr> 6k?
[09:16] <slakr> what are you containing? nuclear waste?
[09:16] <slakr> :P
[09:16] <HiMousie> Half a container , like clothes what not... from Karachi to Canada
[09:17] <jubo2> Yeah to move a container around the world costs 6000 USD
[09:17] <jubo2> ah LTL
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[09:17] <jubo2> Less The Lot
[09:17] <jubo2> Half-container lot
[09:17] <HiMousie> yes
[09:17] <HiMousie> And how the fuck do you know about containers O_O
[09:18] <jubo2> But 6000 USD is covering road transport to container port and from container port
[09:18] <jubo2> HiMousie: I've studied business administration in 2 Universities of Applied Sciences
[09:19] <HiMousie> So have I, but in Banking
[09:19] <HiMousie> And Economics
[09:19] <HiMousie> Not in shipping
[09:19] <jubo2> and I didn't graduate
[09:19] <jubo2> We had to do all the subjects of business administration study covers
[09:19] <slakr> jesus that seems a bit much
[09:19] <HiMousie> Wait... you finally dropped out?
[09:19] <jubo2> here.. free link.. http://GloBBA12.si/wiki/
[09:20] <jubo2> HiMousie: I finally dropped out
[09:20] <jubo2> The business school was making me miserable
[09:20] <jubo2> now no business school and yet also miserable
[09:20] <slakr> I could have sworn you could get something shipped in like 6-8 weeks by sea in bulk, reasonably, so long as you could make it fit on one of those pallets
[09:20] <jubo2> slakr: yes
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[09:21] <jubo2> shipping by paletful is cheap and widely available
[09:21] <HiMousie> e the ISIS flag at the Pride parade looked like gibberish because the "text" was actually outlines of sex toys. Obviously satire.
[09:21] <slakr> of course, then you have to wait a couple months :P
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[09:21] <HiMousie> CNN Oops ISIS flag spotted at the parade
[09:21] <Anna_Frodesiak> is there a way to change the positons of the boxes at the left using monobook?
[09:21] <Anna_Frodesiak> you know, tools, navigation, etc
[09:22] <slakr> yes, probably.
[09:22] <slakr> how are you trying to change them?
[09:22] <Anna_Frodesiak> i would like "tools" at the top
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[09:23] <slakr> we have jquery site-wide, so that should be relatively easy
[09:23] <slakr> find the toolbox's id
[09:24] <slakr> I think "p-tb" (which makes a selector "#p-tb")
[09:24] <HiMousie> jubo2: I am going to back to school .... Humber then University of Toronto.
[09:24] <Anna_Frodesiak> i would love it if any admin (you if you have the skills) could do it
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[09:24] <Anna_Frodesiak> i'm simply awful at monkeying with that stuff
[09:24] <Anna_Frodesiak> or i could follow instructions
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[09:27] <HiMousie> Bye bye
[09:28] <slakr> try something like $('#p-tb').detach().insertBefore('#p-navigation');
[09:28] <slakr> and no, I'm not going to do it for you. that's as much as you get. :P
[09:28] <Anna_Frodesiak>  :)
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[09:29] <Anna_Frodesiak> actually, mr stratavarius has been helping, so i guess i could bug him. he's very kind.
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[09:30] <Anna_Frodesiak> that code is like some sort of witchcraft to me. plus i have no idea where to put it
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[09:30] <Anna_Frodesiak> it could curse my browser
[09:30] <Penwhale> iDM|Packing: you'll be relatively close to me if you go to UToronto
[09:30] <slakr> but basically just make a new javascript in your userspace or add it to monobook.js
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[09:30] <slakr> okay
[09:30] <slakr> so the extra little help
[09:31] <slakr> addOnloadHook(function(){ $('#p-tb').detach().insertBefore('#p-navigation'); });
[09:31] <Anna_Frodesiak> ok monobook.js
[09:31] <slakr> roughly.
[09:31] <Anna_Frodesiak> click edit
[09:31] <Anna_Frodesiak> paste it in at the bottom
[09:31] <Anna_Frodesiak> is that it?
[09:31] <Anna_Frodesiak> and nothing will melt?
[09:31] <slakr> well I haven't tested it to see if it clashes with anything else
[09:31] <slakr> so I'd suggest trying it on an alt account just in case
[09:32] <Anna_Frodesiak> you're scaring me. but ok
[09:32] <Anna_Frodesiak> i'll do it
[09:32] <Anna_Frodesiak> thank you.
[09:32] <slakr> I mean, it shouldn't be an issue; worst case just remove it again :P
[09:33] <Anna_Frodesiak> ok. thank you kindly. if the entire internet turns off, don't blame me
[09:33] <slakr> damnit... my power just went off
[09:33] <slakr> what'd you do Anna_Frodesiak?!
[09:33] <slakr> :P
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[09:36] <Anna_Frodesiak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anna_Frodesiak%27s_test_account/monobook.js
[09:36] <Anna_Frodesiak> veyr funny!!!!
[09:36] <Anna_Frodesiak> it didn't work
[09:36] <Anna_Frodesiak> and don't make me panic! i panic easily
[09:37] <Anna_Frodesiak> ok i have to do dinner. i'll work on it later. thank you all the same :)
[09:38] <Anna_Frodesiak> if anyone knows why it didn't work and how to fix it, please feel free to modify that page
[09:38] <Anna_Frodesiak> or dump the code at my talk
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[09:38] <slakr> try refreshing the page
[09:38] <slakr> hard-refresh
[09:38] <slakr> and/or clear cache
[09:39] <slakr> also make sure that alt is set to use monobook
[09:47] <iDM|Packing> Penwhale: I cant leave Canada for 4 years or 4 and half
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[10:33] <Anna_F_afk> slakr ok i reloaded and purged and still no
[10:33] <Anna_F_afk> what is "alt is set"
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[10:57] <darev> Hello!
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[11:31] <slakr> Anna_F_afk: as in you need to make sure monobook is the theme for that test account
[11:32] <slakr> the default is vector
[11:32] <slakr> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering
[11:32] <slakr> (the appearance tab)
[11:32] <slakr> vector has a different .js
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[12:16] <Anna_F_afk> slakr: appearance in tab, understood
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[12:20] <Anna_F_afk> oh, slakr, it did it!
[12:20] <Anna_F_afk> my goodness!
[12:20] <Anna_F_afk> now, sorry, to bug you, but could i make searchbox come right under tools
[12:21] <Anna_F_afk> that would be the second item
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[12:26] <Anna_F_afk> thank you slakr, by the way. i don't know how you know these things, but i'm very impressed.
[12:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Anna_F_afk how afk are you? O_o
[12:45] <Anna_F_afk> hi ToAruShiroiNeko
[12:45] <Anna_F_afk> good thanks. just off to bed. how are you?
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[12:46] <Anna_F_afk> i ate way to much chicken breast and may explode
[12:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ah
[12:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am ok
[12:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is afternoon here
[12:46] <Anna_F_afk> good.
[12:47] <Anna_F_afk> afternoon. nice. have tea
[12:47] <Anna_F_afk> go easy on the chicken breast
[12:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I just cut off like 5 rasberries from the plant I have beeng rowing
[12:47] <Anna_F_afk> very very nice
[12:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *growing.
[12:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it tastes different from the supermarket :)
[12:47] <Anna_F_afk> like lovely little bowls they are
[12:47] <Anna_F_afk> delicious?
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[12:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yup
[12:47] <Anna_F_afk> mmmmmmmmm
[12:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I actually made a slurpie out of it using ice + pineapple juice
[12:48] <Anna_F_afk> very nice
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[12:48] <JamesEG> quick check please:  there's no way to scale framed images, correct?
[12:48] <Anna_F_afk> i wouldn't. i would just eat them with nothing
[12:48] <Anna_F_afk> not sure
[12:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I tried that but they fall apart
[12:48] <Anna_F_afk> you mean like139px?
[12:49] <Anna_F_afk> just eat them
[12:49] <JamesEG> i had a frozen margarita for the first time recently.  i likened it to an adult icee.
[12:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "Just do it"
[12:49] <JamesEG> yeah Anna
[12:49] <Anna_F_afk> very nice.
[12:49] <Anna_F_afk> james. if it's more complicated than that, then im out of ideas
[12:49] <Anna_F_afk> :)
[12:50] <Anna_F_afk> i haven't had a raspberry in a decade
[12:50] <Anna_F_afk> just not avail here, or blueberries
[12:50] <Anna_F_afk> but all the free papaya you can eat!
�06[12:51] * JamesEG has never eaten papaya.
[12:51] <JamesEG> i don't think i've even tasted it in juice
[12:51] <Anna_F_afk> you should. but they are slightly barfee in smell
[12:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Anna_F_afk I could mail you some
[12:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but I dont think you'd like them by the time it arrives to you :p
[12:51] <Anna_F_afk> mail raspberries? :)
[12:52] <JamesEG> vacuum seal them
[12:52] <Anna_F_afk> seeds?
[12:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> rasberries grow in nearly every country
[12:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you could plant them
[12:52] <Anna_F_afk> seed, eh?
[12:52] <Anna_F_afk> could you?
[12:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont have seeds, I keep eating them :p
[12:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but I can look for it :D
[12:53] <Anna_F_afk> i just brought thyme basil and dill seeds back from canada to here in haikou
[12:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ah china.
[12:53] <Anna_F_afk> that's okay. no trouble. i can probably get them through a farming seed persone here
[12:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah mailing seeds internationally often have issues in customs :(
[12:54] <Anna_F_afk> ah yes. they worry
[12:54] <Anna_F_afk> so best not. but thanks anyhow
[12:54] <JamesEG> all they care about is disease and species.
[12:54] <Anna_F_afk> i couldn't find sage seeds in canada. pity
[12:54] <Anna_F_afk> indeed
[12:54] <Anna_F_afk> but if the basil works out, i'm happy
[12:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/RaspberryYield.png
[12:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it seems to grow all over the place in every climate imagineable
[12:55] <Anna_F_afk> indeed
[12:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> If RoC can grow it, so should you, climate-wise
[12:55] <Anna_F_afk> or someone threw a kiwi at your map
[12:55] <JamesEG> kiwi!
[12:55] <Anna_F_afk> true
[12:55] <Anna_F_afk> an unripe kiwi can make your face go inside out
[12:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/TeTuatahianui.jpg/450px-TeTuatahianui.jpg ?
[12:56] <JamesEG> but ripe kiwi are the only fruit i would never get sick of
[12:56] <Anna_F_afk> true
[12:56] <Anna_F_afk> that bird is fictional
[12:56] <Anna_F_afk> like tasmania
[12:56] <Anna_F_afk> fictitious
[12:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwifruit <- why is that not without a space?
[12:56] <JamesEG> because it isn't a kiwi's fruit?
[12:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why not "Kiwi fruit"
[12:57] <JamesEG> syntax i suppose
[12:57] <JamesEG> what little there is
[12:58] <Anna_F_afk> good question
[12:58] <JamesEG> yum
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[13:03] <Anna_F_afk> off to bed. gnite all!
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[14:03] <OlEnglish> SpaceX live webcast.. they're gonna launch another rocket...
[14:03] <OlEnglish> http://www.spacex.com/webcast/
[14:07] <poddus> cheers OlEnglish just wanted to post
[14:07] <poddus> T-14mins
[14:09] <Sir_Designer> OlEnglish  ...irc is go
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[14:10] <Finnegan> I have a friend who works there...no wonder I haven't heard from her in a couple days!
[14:16] <poddus> I like how they add "earth" to the end of the location
[14:16] <poddus> just to clear that up
[14:16] <OlEnglish> here we go...
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[14:23] <JamesEG> heh i tuned in at t-3sec
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[14:23] <JamesEG> why don't these damned idiots just give me a direct stream?
[14:24] <poddus> oh no
[14:24] <abra0> :(
[14:25] <Finnegan> does that mean it failed? (not watching)
[14:25] <JamesEG> did it burst?  my video is cutting out
[14:26] <JamesEG> was that the capsule with the parachute?
[14:26] <poddus> :'(
[14:27] <Sir_Designer> silence is not good.
[14:28] <JamesEG> well, it's clear what has happened.  obviously our extraterrestrial zookeepers don't want us in space.  /:-|
[14:29] <JamesEG> seriously though, can someone with a solid video feed help me out?
[14:31] <JamesEG> SpaceX is experiencing — technical difficulties.
[14:31] <poddus> the feed is over
[14:31] <poddus> man I feel bad for them
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[14:31] <poddus> that positive spin he put on the sign off sounded really forced
[14:32] <poddus> would have been better if he'd just been disappointed imo
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[14:37] <Sir_Designer> "Exploded just before MECO. "        from   https://plus.google.com/+SpaceX/posts
[14:38] <Sir_Designer> "it took off fine, catastophic failure at 44 km altitude"
[14:39] <OlEnglish> dang it.. browser just crashed.. what timing
[14:40] <Sir_Designer> the rockets....who makes them?
[14:46] <Sir_Designer> here comes first RS:    http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/28/nasa-spacex-launch-international-space-station-wrong
[14:49] <Sir_Designer> "SpaceX, a private company, said the initial part of the liftoff went well, until the vehicle went supersonic. Nasa commentator George Diller told the Associated Press it was not clear how the disaster occurred. This is the second failed shipment of supplies to the ISS. In April, a Russian cargo ship fell out of control and came down. Last October, another of the company’s supply ships was destroyed in a launch accident."
[15:03] <poddus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Zwal-an6c
[15:03] <poddus> looks like a malfunction of the interstage. my first thought is maybe the tank blew, but the gas seems to be venting uniformly around the rocket, and starting at 0:04 in the video you can clearly see a "halo" of fire around the interstage, about where the merlin engine would be. could it be that the second stage engine fired before stage 1 separation?
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[15:18] <Qcoder00> Disgraceful
[15:18] <Qcoder00> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_3JC5kimw0
[15:18] <Qcoder00> Flagging
[15:23] <foks> lol
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[16:27] <SigmaWP> Jun 28 01:16:43 <slakr> I'm just saying, for-profit education, regardless of the level, has eventualities bourne from self-interest.
[16:27] <SigmaWP> some private schools ARe for-profit
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[16:27] <SigmaWP> MIT is chartered as a non-profit organization and is owned and governed by a privately appointed board of trustees known as the MIT Corporation.[131]
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[16:28] <SigmaWP> hmm.
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[16:33] <SigmaWP> slakr: this isn't to say that non-profit universities aren't concerned with money though
[16:33] <SigmaWP> they have rent to pay and professors to fund
[16:33] <SigmaWP> c'est la vie
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[16:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> MIT Corporation Incorporated
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[16:38] <JamesEG> who funds education?  potential employers, liberal interests (platonic or renaissance, et c.), career prospectors, governments (erudition statutes or populace management, et al)
[16:38] <SigmaWP> and alumni donations
[16:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Education is overrated
[16:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SigmaWP "donations"
[16:38] <SigmaWP> FINE
[16:38] <SigmaWP> and rich people who don't have financial aid
[16:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "fine"
[16:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> rich people who don't have financial aid <- isnt that self contradicting
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[16:40] <JamesEG> that would be the liberal interests class.  it is comprised of pro bono scholarships and self-funding.
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[16:47] <JamesEG> alumni could be motivated either by that or by camaraderie?
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[17:15] <mareklug> JamesEG alumni are motivated by guilt.
[17:15] <mareklug> cuz the callers are actual students hard up for funds.
[17:17] <mareklug> i am so glad i only have two institutions of higher learning and one Santa Fe Institute banging me for money....
[17:17] <JamesEG> “banging me for money”
[17:17] <mareklug> ;)
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[17:20] <SigmaWP> [09:38:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> rich people who don't have financial aid <- isnt that self contradicting <-- uh what? do you know what financial aid is?
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[17:35] <JamesEG> maybe “aid” was interpreted to include auto-sourcing or familial sourcing for some reason.
[17:40] <SigmaWP> 'financial aid' is a very well known term in the lexicon of undergraduate studies
[17:42] <JamesEG> i know what it is.  i was suggesting a possible explanation for the case that someone didn't
[17:44] <SigmaWP> oh
[17:46] <git> financial aid is stupid
[17:46] <git> so much of it depends on how much your parents make
[17:47] <git> my parents are expected to contribute like 60k a year to my education, according to FAFSA. they have absolutely no obligation to, and i'm not sure that they will contribute any
[17:47] <git> so i got exactly $0 in scholarships/grants
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[17:48] <Monty845> you can still apply for and get merit based scholarships
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[17:48] <git> i've tried
[17:49] <git> there aren't many for white males going into computer science
[17:50] <git> the whole dedicating the last seven years of my life to a non-profit thing? turns out that means fuck all.
[17:50] <git> my school had a scholarship for "just the average guy"
[17:50] <git> and i wasn't good enough to even get that
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[17:55] <poutine> git, sounds like personal angst more than a systematic problem
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[17:55] <poutine> also what do you need a CS degree for
[17:56] <git> yes, it is
[17:56] <JamesEG> you mean ‘systemic’ problem?
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[17:56] <poutine> yes
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[17:57] <poutine> I did mean systemic, thanks for the correction
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[18:08] <darev> Hello!
[18:08] <JamesEG> Halloo.
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[18:15] <Qcoder00> If you want do serious CS you don't do CS
[18:15] <Qcoder00> You do maths
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[18:15] <Qcoder00> and logic especially
[18:15] <Qcoder00> Most major CS breakthroughs are math based
[18:16] <Qcoder00> + If you are good enough at the math , you can go into teaching :)
[18:16] <Penwhale> which is what I want to do, Qcoder00 :p
[18:16] <Qcoder00> Maths Teaching?
[18:16] <Penwhale> yeah...
[18:17] <Qcoder00> What level?
[18:17] <Amortias> maths teaching is easy if i remember correctly
[18:17] <Amortias> 1, anotehr 1 another 1 another 1
[18:17] <Qcoder00> Teaching basic math is easy... Teaching shortcuts isn't
[18:17] <{soap|bed}> well sure if youre teaching preschool
[18:18] <Penwhale> Qcoder00: HS or college.
[18:18] <{soap|bed}> but thats like 99% child behavioral studies, 1% actual math
[18:18] <{soap|bed}> in fact Ive seen mentally retarded adults teaching preschool
[18:18] <Qcoder00> And lecturees on " How not to get caught hitting a disruptive infant" :(
[18:18] <{soap|bed}> including one who literally couldnt read (or so it seemed, but for all i know that was actually a visual disability)
[18:19] <{soap|bed}> because its not really so much "teaching" as watching
[18:19] <Qcoder00> OK Quick mental math test ( 10 Questions)
[18:19] <Qcoder00> 10 time 2 ?
[18:19] <Penwhale> Qcoder00: or lectures on "how not to get caught hitting on a student"? :p
[18:19] <Qcoder00> Penwhale:  That too ;)
[18:19] <Qcoder00> MAth Test Q 1 :  10 times 2?
[18:19] <{soap|bed}> that would be pretty bad in a preschool
[18:20] <Amortias> is that 10 in base 2 base 8 base 10 or base 16?
[18:20] <Penwhale> {soap|bed}: not at the level I want to teach
[18:20] <Qcoder00> Amortias (Assume Base 10)
[18:20] <Penwhale> Amortias: either way it's all 20
[18:20] <Qcoder00> And yes I know about "New Math!"
[18:20] <Qcoder00> XD
[18:20] <{soap|bed}> binary would nt have a "2" digit
[18:20] <Penwhale> because you'd have to interpret the original in that base too
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[18:21] <{soap|bed}> so you can rule that out
[18:21] <Penwhale> I missed the base 2 section :p
[18:21] <Penwhale> 100 (if base 2) or 20 (any other base)
[18:21] <Qcoder00> Mah test Q2  :  12 sweets between 4 kids?
[18:21] <Qcoder00> (How many each)
[18:21] <Amortias> how many of the kids are greedy bullies
[18:21] <Amortias> or diabetic
[18:21] <Amortias> or allergice to the contents
[18:22] <Amortias> :p
[18:22] <{soap|bed}> my mah would always give me all of them and let the other kids beg me to share
[18:22] <Qcoder00> Amortias: assume these are normal kids
[18:22] <Penwhale> Amortias: and how many have toothaches
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[18:22] <Amortias> ok but im diabetic and i consider i was a "normal" kid
[18:22] <{soap|bed}> how many even have teeth? we could be talking infants here
[18:23] <{soap|bed}> or goats. goats have kids too
[18:23] <{soap|bed}> i think this is about goats
[18:23] <JamesEG> that's an idea:  punish a bully by lacing your kid's food with heavy doses of laxatives
[18:23] <Qcoder00> Anyone going to answer the math question?
[18:23] <Amortias> my parents did that one, they used habenero chilli powder though :p
[18:23] <Qcoder00> Or shall I move on?
[18:23] <{soap|bed}> and then use opium to antidote the laxative
[18:23] <JamesEG> 10d * 2d ?
[18:24] <Qcoder00> ON Q yes
[18:24] <Qcoder00> *Q1
[18:24] <Qcoder00> Mah test Q2  :  12 sweets between 4 kids? (How many does each kid get?)
[18:24] <Qcoder00> (Keep your own scores)
[18:24] <JamesEG> you mean don't say 3?
[18:24] <JamesEG> :-P
[18:25] <Qcoder00> Which is right
[18:25] <JamesEG> sorry
[18:25] <Amortias> do all the kids like all the sweets? and are they all nice and sharing? and are they all allowed to eat them? and wanting to eat them? in which case 3
[18:25] <JamesEG> ah, good questions!
[18:25] <Qcoder00> Amortias:+!
[18:25] <Qcoder00> +1
[18:25] <Qcoder00> Q3:  What is 10% of 80?
[18:25] <Amortias> I work in IT i need to have all the answers to all the questions before makign a decision
[18:26] <JamesEG> “How can I think outside the box if they won't let me out of it?”
[18:26] <Qcoder00> Amortias:  Does JamesEg know about the other channel?
[18:26] <Qcoder00> XD
[18:27] <Amortias> no idea
[18:27] <Qcoder00> Anyway
[18:27] <Amortias> but im about to dive into report writing so will be off in a couple
[18:27] <Qcoder00> Q3:  What is 10% of 80?
[18:27] <NotASpy> Timmy is diabetic. Timmy gets no sweets.
[18:27] <Qcoder00> (there will be 5 of these math questions)
[18:27] <{soap|bed}> wow I just forgot about my computer problems from last month.   until now when i realized Photoshop is still measuring in inches
[18:27] <Amortias> i dont have a symbol for 10% of a ? so i can only partially answer
[18:27] <{soap|bed}> lol Amortias
[18:28] <JamesEG> 8 …
[18:28] <Qcoder00> +1
[18:28] <Qcoder00> to Jame EG
[18:28] <Qcoder00> Q4:   2 2 2 + *  is ?
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[18:28] <Qcoder00> (And yes this one does confuse people?
[18:28] <Qcoder00> )
[18:28] <{soap|bed}> 8
[18:29] <Qcoder00> +1 to soap
[18:29] <{soap|bed}> finallly, a question not aimed at 3 year olds
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[18:29] <Qcoder00> Q5: And the final one...
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[18:30] <Qcoder00> Q5 A New computer is 200 USD + sales tax , The sales tax is 20% , How much do you actually pay?
[18:30] <Amortias> am i allowed to pinch it in which case nothing
[18:31] <NotASpy> $240
[18:31] <Qcoder00> NotASpy: +1
[18:31] <Amortias> 200 as id negotiate them down a bit before buying it
[18:31] <Qcoder00> Thats the 5 I had :)
[18:31] <JamesEG> Q6:   if two identical coins are layed down flat, touching at one point on their circumferences, and one is held stationary while the other rotated about the stationary one until it returns to its starting location, how many rotations are made by the moving coin?
[18:31] <{soap|bed}> 20% is a ridiuclous sales tax. Im not buyinh
[18:31] <NotASpy> welcome to the UK.
[18:31] <git> {soap|bed}: that sounds like VAT
[18:31] <Qcoder00> 20% Is what UK sales TAX is righ now...
[18:32] <{soap|bed}> well he gave the price in US dollars so I assumed it was US
[18:32] <NotASpy> it's Value Added Tax.
[18:32] <Amortias> are the coins circular?
[18:32] <{soap|bed}> could be a Canadian store right\ near the border though
[18:32] <NotASpy> I miss Green Shield Stamps.
[18:32] <Qcoder00> OK Maybe the US doesn't have sales tax of 20%
[18:32] <JamesEG> yes, they are.
[18:33] <JamesEG> the Loop in St Louis had 10%
[18:33] <{soap|bed}> Onmtario has very high sales taxes
[18:33] <Qcoder00> JamesEG: Well at least 1 rotation is made.... possibly 2 - I'm probably wrong
[18:33] <{soap|bed}> 13% it seems
[18:33] <Amortias> you cant tell as it depends at what speed you rotate it as it moves round the coin
[18:33] <{soap|bed}> The Newfoundland and Labrador sales tax is 13% but is due to increase to 15% January 1, 2016.[4]
[18:34] <{soap|bed}> yay! just what they need over there. More taxes
[18:34] <{soap|bed}> hey wait i just remmebred the maine state sales tax is supposed to decrease in a few days
[18:34] <Qcoder00> Actually a 15% sales tax is easier to calculate...
[18:34] <{soap|bed}> i wonder if the legislature passed a last minute "just kidding! it's staying" bill
[18:34] <JamesEG> should I been more specific?  the point of contact between the coins is governed by static friction and never breaks free.
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[18:35] <JamesEG> sales tax only makes sense if it serves some agency directly relating to the commercial environment.  VAT is just government robbery
[18:35] <JamesEG> it was two rotations Qcoder00
[18:36] <{soap|bed}> if Newfoundland was in the United States theyd vote their sales tax down to zero and survive by federal dollars alone
[18:36] <Qcoder00> Apparently my 20% question was one a lot of people got wrong ! XD :(
[18:36] <Qcoder00> As was Q4
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[18:37] <{soap|bed}> ooooh they lowered the income tax by a whopping two-tenths of a percent. Thatll save me an entire dollar this year
[18:37] <{soap|bed}> thank you state ;legislature ♥
[18:37] <Qcoder00> I wonder if people can do breaking distances in their head
[18:37] <Qcoder00> I can't
[18:38] <Qcoder00> Q7 :  How many posts do you need for a 9 panel fence?
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