User talk:Jon Awbrey
Math
(We'll get this fixed shortly.) Snerfling 09:51, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
- Alright, <math> is all set. Let me know if you need any other extensions/features added/enabled. Snerfling 15:51, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
JA: Itsa Go ! Thanks ! Jon Awbrey 15:54, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
Wikipedia
Jon, looks like you made quite a few friends at Wikipedia. The beauty of Centiare is that the directory space was specifically created for APOV articles. In fact, the whole point of Centiare is as a legitimate means of boosting Google search rankings via semantic tags, scripts, etc. Snerfling 09:51, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
JA: Yes, Wikipedia is such a gawdawful f(r)iendly place. The fact is that I that never wrote any OR, or POV, or ¬VER articles, and never started any disruptive projects, but they have a wacky way of defining all of those words, making their j'accuses, and then "secreting" the evidence of what you actually did. 'Nuff said. I do intend to contribute some slightly more "creative" content here. Just tell me what spaces you think it belongs to. Jon Awbrey 10:14, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
Centiare Spaces
Selecting your Centiare space should follow this logical path:
- Is the subject a legal entity? If yes, Directory space. If you are the legal agent/owner of the entity (your self, your book, your company), fine and dandy. If you are not the legal agent/owner, be advised that they may come along tomorrow or 6 years from now, and claim the space away from you.
- If the subject is not a legal entity, do you want others to edit the topic with you? If yes, Main space. If no, a subpage of some "self owned" Directory space or User space.
- I hope that this is clear enough. Our world is a little more nuanced than Wikipedia's, but that's what keeps the edit-warring to an absolute minimum here. At Centiare, you can protect and promote your labors. --MyWikiBiz 10:36, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
- Main space is reserved for traditional open-access NPOV articles, with all the attendant edit wars, etc. However, there is an exception: if an entry has been formerly published as an academic paper, then it can be protected as an ERB article. We established ERB policy to encourage formal encyclopedias & research publications to publish full articles/excerpts at Centiare. ERB articles are protected from non-author editing + enjoy full copyright protection.
- Directory space is APOV by default, plus no one other than original editors (ie "page owners") + Centiare sys ops can edit the pages. Directory listings are no different than if you set up your own wiki - you can doing anything you want within your listing(s), including commercial activities, as long as it's legal.
- Here are a couple of examples of on-line virtual businesses running at Centiare:
- The advantage of using Centiare's directory space over running your own wiki or using another hosted wiki is that we have all sorts of cool extensions (just gotta get <math> going) & facilities running that Google really seems to love. As stated above, the whole point is to get top search rankings via legitimate means. Snerfling 10:41, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
Q & A
JA: Ok, a few questions:
- I am guessing that "legal entity" includes "intellectual property"?
- Yeah, any IP can be placed within sub-pages under either your directory and/or user pages. See the policy & Disney/MM for example.
- For consideration under ERB, what about papers not previously published in hard print, but posted on the web, under GFDL or SA something-or-other?
- We can be flexible; the key is author attribution.
- What about dual entry, one copy in main, and another protected?
- Dual entry is fine - just be aware that non-ERB main space articles are treated no differently than at WP. That's why some posters include summaries under the main space and use aficionados to point to a more complete version under a directory listing.
- The key is to understand that with Centiare's semantic tags & other extensions/facilities, it's not necessary to have info posted in the main space like WP. Google scarfs up the sem tag references wherever they're located.
JA: Jon Awbrey 11:00, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
- Snerfling 11:15, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
Content Extension
As mentioned earlier, you can run all sorts of scripts, gadgets, widgets, etc. within your directory listing(s). That means you can import Extensions/RSS feed(s) by subject, run snapshots of email lists, blogs, etc. It's really quite endless - the MediaWiki platform is very powerful. There's a heck of lot more you can do with it than is being utilized at WP. Snerfling 10:49, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
Hiya
Welcome to centiare the home of a few other disgruntled ex-wikiers. You're obviously a mathematical genius but if you ever need any help with a bit of fancy wiki code feel free to talk page me anytime. It's a pretty tight knit community thus far of about 4 dedicated centiarians. I'm on almost everyday trying to find more ways to pay for college... and maybe a porsche 911 gt3. Cheers Garrett 18:35, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
JA: Hi, and thanks, still getting my feet on the ground right now, but there are a few more adventurous projects that I may want to explore later on. Jon Awbrey 06:36, 18 May 2007 (PDT)
RSS
Jon, don't know if you saw this RSS extension, but it's one of the many cool features that allows Centiare to incorporate dynamic content. It may not directly pertain to the main thrust of your recent articles, but it does provide an avenue in which to expand and/or address ongoing developments. Snerfling 10:24, 18 May 2007 (PDT)
ownership template
At the rate your going centiare will have the best mathematical resources on the internet. A suggestion for getting your pages to appear at the top of google is create a simple template box with hyperlinks to everything you own. I've done it with my
{{ownership}}
template and have had amazing results. Garrett 12:01, 19 May 2007 (PDT)
JA: Hi, Garrett. Thanks for the compliment — I've got a feeling that Mathematica and Planet Math will be way ahead of me for the 4seeable future, but I will keep at it anyway.
JA: I was just now looking at that Directory stuff again, with respect to a paper that I consider more of an Essay or Project than a mainspace article. Can I list it as something like "Directory:Paper_Title" or do I have to make it a subpage of my user page, like "User:Jon_Awbrey/Paper_Title", in order to own it? Jon Awbrey 12:15, 19 May 2007 (PDT)
- I never put anything in my user space as i've never seen any of it appear on a search engine. Directory:paper title would work much better and users own both their user space and any directory article they create. And remember to use some seo tricks (keywords, sem tags, interlinking) otherwise your math proofs will get lost in the abyss. (A template at the bottom of all your math pages would be cool, something like an Template:Awbreymath with info inside like - see other contributions by this user. Garrett 12:30, 19 May 2007 (PDT)
- and if you're the sole author of pragmatic maxim and others go ahead and own it by moving it to Directory:Pragmatic Maxim then throw your google ads on the side if you want. Garrett 12:32, 19 May 2007 (PDT)
- Jon, what you should do is create a directory listing either for yourself or some virtual type of business. IP needs to referenced as sub-pages to actual legal entities. That is, all primary directory listings must have legal standing - property owned by such entities is treated as subsidiary assets.
- One of the advantages of creating a virtual enterprise (say, like publishing) is that you can use semantic tags to roll-up pages of 'books' into titles, or roll up titles into a library. Take a look at OmniMediaGroup's or Garrett's stuff for some examples.
- The sem tags are not only useful for automating tiresome wiki organizational tasks, but, as Garrett mentioned, Google scarfs them up without peer. Snerfling 14:37, 19 May 2007 (PDT)
More Questions
JA: I created the following directory listings for myself and for papers that are my original IP, but I did not know whether I was supposed to nest them somehow, or just handle that by way of relational links? Jon Awbrey 15:16, 19 May 2007 (PDT)
