User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-11-18

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[15:29] <jubo2> pass the crack pipe derp ..
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[15:31] <jubo2> herrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroin!
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[15:59] <jps> http://blog.longnow.org/2011/08/10/almost-everything-is-getting-better/
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[16:11] <Qcoder00> Evening all
[16:12] <TParis> hi
[16:12] <Qcoder00> Whose the Wikipedia expert on 'protests' ?
[16:12] <TParis> [[Tear gas]]
[16:12] <TParis> jk
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�08[16:12] <derp> [[hitting sick]]
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[16:12] <PeterSymonds> Tear gas edits Wikipedia?
[16:12] <PeterSymonds> Blimey.
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[16:13] <TParis> If he does, he edits on the protest articles.
[16:13] <Qcoder00> Hearing some rumours that a building in Hackeny has been taken over by a 'protest' group
[16:13] <Qcoder00> *Hackney
[16:13] <Qcoder00> A building owned by UBS
[16:13] <PeterSymonds> 'ackney.
[16:13] <KimiNewt> acne?
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[16:13] <Qcoder00> Won't take long for an eviction notice to be served
[16:14] <Qcoder00> So I wonder what the 'protest group' hope to achieve, other than to piss iUBS off
[16:14] <Qcoder00> *UBS
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[16:15] <tommorris> pissing UBS off sounds pretty good in itself
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[16:16] <Qcoder00> tommorris:  You support protestors breaking the law in occupying buildings they don't own?
�08[16:16] <derp> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/18/occupy-london-protesters-ubs-bank?newsfeed=true
�08[16:16] <derp> bigno
�08[16:16] <derp> bingi
[16:16] <Qcoder00> Thanks derp
[16:16] <Qcoder00> :)
[16:16] <KimiNewt> BIG NO
[16:16] <Qcoder00> hi KimiNewt
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[16:17] <KimiNewt> Hello Qcoder00
[16:17] <KimiNewt> How are you
[16:17] <tommorris> Qcoder00: I don't particularly give a shit.
[16:17] <CRRaysHead90> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Unfulfilled_edit_requests
[16:17] <Qcoder00> KimiNewt:  Heard a really tasteless joke today...
[16:17] <quanticle> Qcoder00: Yes. Here, at least, protestors unlawfully siezed Wells Fargo property. That's fitting, because Wells Fargo is notorious for unlawfully taking ordinary people's property via invalid foreclosures.
[16:17] <PeterSymonds> CRRaysHead90, why the need for speed?
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[16:18] <Qcoder00> ' Why isn't there an Occupy East Jersalum?  A: The Israelis have been trying since 1967 ' :(
[16:18] <CRRaysHead90> because right now the infoboxes are inaccurate
[16:18] <tommorris> Nothing a bunch of hippies and anarchists could do in London would even get close to the amount of pain caused by the banking sector or their corporate-government cronies
[16:18] <KimiNewt> trying?
[16:18] <Qcoder00> KimiNewt:  Apologies for the tasteless joke, but I thought you'd want to hear it
[16:19] <KimiNewt> When have I ever cared about a joke being tasteless
[16:19] <KimiNewt> Jokes just have to be funny! The rest is irrelevent!
[16:19] <mabdul|busy> PeterSymonds: kill jimbo, he is going on m nervs (since I do see him every day now, bad banners XD)
[16:19] <PeterSymonds> There's a gadget in preferences to disable the fundraising centralnotice.
[16:19] <Qcoder00> KimiNewt:  Some of my humor is more in the viewn of being satire than funny
[16:19] <tommorris> why would killing Jimbo prevent his appearance on the fundraising banners?
�06[16:20] * tommorris is sure Commons has plenty more goofy photos of Jimbo from where those came from.
[16:20] <KimiNewt> satire ought to be funny if you know what it's satirizing
[16:20] <Qcoder00> True
[16:20] <KimiNewt> next he'll be wearing clown's makeup
[16:20] <Qcoder00> KimiNewt:   Erm, I though Jimbo wasn't a performer like that
[16:20] <Qcoder00> *thought
[16:21] <KimiNewt> It seems like he's doing his best to be as creepy as possible so..
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[16:21] <PeterSymonds> CRRaysHead90, done.
[16:21] <CRRaysHead90> thanks
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[16:23] <CRRaysHead90> PeterSymonds: you forgot one "f" on this template: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:MLB_alternative_secondary_color&diff=461335963&oldid=413223718
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[16:24] <PeterSymonds> Fixed.
[16:24] <CRRaysHead90> ty
[16:24] <Qcoder00> KimiNewt:  Jimbo isn't PennyWise
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[16:26] <Qcoder00> quanticle: Well I would imagine those protestors will get to discoever what 'due process' actually means :(
[16:28] <quanticle> Qcoder00: They'll learn it before Wells Fargo does.
[16:28] <tommorris> yes, I do hope that once they finish prosecuting the bankers for their massive fraud, they can get on to the minor property damage done by some beardy anarchists.
[16:28] <tommorris> Oh wait.
[16:29] <quanticle> I mean, Wells Fargo didn't give the people it foreclosed on wrongfully due process before they kicked those people out of hearth and home.
[16:29] <jps> if they're smart they'll ask to represent themselves. In the US, only 1% of misdemeanor charges go to trial, because public defenders almost always plea bargain. They simply don't have the budget to do otherwise
[16:29] <tommorris> Public interest defence.
[16:29] <tommorris> Magistrates might convict
[16:29] <tommorris> but no jury is gonna convict 'em
[16:29] <jps> exactly
[16:30] <Qcoder00> tommorris:  Well the US allows for seziure of 'criminally acquired' assests.... but that's normally done by the court authorities, not on a whim by the Public
[16:30] <jps> if they all tied up their cases with jury duty and full trials with cops called to testify, they'd be far more disruptive than chanting stuff outside the NYSE
[16:30] <quanticle> jps: Hmmmm... I'm not sure about that. If you don't plea deal, you're often facing felony charges, and that can put a real hurt on your future employment prospects.
[16:30] <Qcoder00> jps :  XD
[16:31] <tommorris> The only thing that surprises me about Occupy is (a) that it took this long and (b) that they haven't yet started using the guillotine against the bankers.
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[16:31] <quanticle> Qcoder00: And when the courts and legislators are bought?
[16:31] <Qcoder00> You are saying letting the system drown in paperwork has moe effect than pitching tents?
[16:31] <quanticle> Yes, actually.
[16:31] <quanticle> That's how you strike at a bureaucracy.
[16:31] <quanticle> You turn its paperwork against it.
[16:31] <Qcoder00> tommorris:  It's America, you have to give the bankers at least some vestige of a trial ;)
[16:31] <jps> if you represent yourself in the US, you can say anything you want at trial, including mentioning jury nullification (which public defenders aren't allowed to do) and explaining exactly what felony convictions do to job prospects to the jury (likewise)
[16:32] <Qcoder00> jps: Are people represneting themseleves allowed to make pollitical speeches in court?
[16:32] <jps> yes
[16:32] <Qcoder00> :)
[16:32] <Qcoder00> I can't imagine people making political speechs in a UK courtroom
[16:33] <Qcoder00> Even though some closing statements by learned counsel can get quite heated.
[16:33] <quanticle> jps: It doesn't quite work that way. You can't just get up and rant. You can only do that with opening and closing statements. In the meantime, the prosecution's going to have cops speaking against you. Who's going to cross-examine them? You?
[16:33] <jps> but that's not as effective, statistically as going for jury nullification. You don't want to alienate the jury, you want to empower them
[16:34] <jps> quanticle: yes, if they show up. If all the protesters ask for jury trials, even if they are represented by National Lawyers Guild attorneys instead of public defenders, there's simply no way the NYPD can send that many officers to court
[16:34] <jps> s/even if/especially if/
[16:35] <quanticle> jps: The problem with your plan is that it only works if *everyone* asks for jury trials. If only one or two people go for it, they just get ground up by the gears of the justice system.
[16:35] <jps> also if the NLG attorneys are there they can play videos of cops beating people bloody to "establish the context" and appeal _in... in limine(?)_ if they are denied
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[16:36] <jps> I would love to see 100s of NY state appelate courts on what videos are allowed to be shown to a jury
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[16:36] <jps> appellate court cases*
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[16:37] <Qcoder00> jps:  Hmm
[16:37] <quanticle> jps: That's assuming the video doesn't get struck on procedural grounds. Also, you can only appeal on procedural grounds - you have to show how the jury trial violated established procedure. You can't just appeal on the basis of, "Well, I think they convicted me wrongfully."
[16:37] <jps> of course they would have to be consolidated, and as such would probably make it at least to NY State Supreme, probably US Circuit before the trials could proceed
[16:38] <Qcoder00> jps: With the accompanying hysteria from Fox News etc XD
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[16:38] <tommorris> quanticle: the appeal would be on the procedural grounds of unfairly excluding evidence
[16:38] <jps> but there are thousands of such videos, which is completely novel as youtube didn't exist until 1995 and the most recent US riots were '92
[16:38] <Qcoder00> And you can't get angry at people for engaging with the legal processs :)
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[16:39] <tommorris> Ironholds: perfect timing.
[16:39] <jps> Ironholds! What's on the feedback agenda today?
[16:39] <quanticle> jps: You paint a very appealing picture. Unfortunately, it's just not true. The US justice system simply doesn't work like you think it does.
[16:39] <jps> time will tell
[16:39] <tommorris> Ironholds: feel free to tell quanticle, jps, Qcoder00 or myself that we are wrong on U.S. criminal appeals procedure.
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[16:40] <quanticle> Time, hell. I've been through the US Justice system (or at least a small portion of it). It's much more favored towards the prosecution than you think it is.
[16:41] <quanticle> (Not guilty, thank goodness)
[16:41] <jps> I've been a criminal defendant for protesting in three US states. More than enough to know what I'm talking about. You think I only get in trouble with arbcom?
[16:41] <Qcoder00> quanticle:  How did you end up in court?
[16:42] <quanticle> Qcoder00: False accusation of shoplifting. I walk out of my uni bookstore. Alarm goes off. They search my bag. They find nothing. Store manager insists that I was acting suspiciously. Calls the cops. Cops believe store manager. Cops arrest me.
[16:42] <Ironholds> tommorris: what?
[16:42] <Qcoder00> quanticle: :O
[16:42] <Ironholds> jps: "no idea at the moment" :P. My boss is in a meeting right up until the moment, so it's a shock
[16:43] <Ironholds> *suprise
[16:43] <quanticle> Qcoder00: Yeah. The DA dropped the case because, in his words, "I had been cooperative." Not because there wasn't a shred of evidence to hold against me. Because I had been cooperative.
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[16:44] <Ironholds> uhm. there's a simple test here.
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[16:44] <jps> my favorite US protesting court experience was West Virginia, 1991. The Attorney General was literally 20 yards down the hall from where they tried to arrest me, and the Chief Judge of the Supreme Court was two flights of stairs up. They went from a dozen state troopers ready to haul me off to one very pissed off governor's receptionist scowling at me in the course of one bill signing afternoon
[16:44] <Ironholds> jps, quanticle, you're both silly
[16:44] <tommorris> Ironholds: the likelihood of an Occupy Wall Street protestor, if taken to court, being able to present videos of police brutality, and if not, whether it is likely that the exclusion of the evidence could/would be overturned through appeal
[16:44] <Ironholds> jps, you are clearly talking about state-level law. quanticle, you are ambiguous as to what you are talking about
[16:44] <Ironholds> however, if you are talking about state, you're probably in different states
[16:44] <Qcoder00> quanticle:  To some people being 'co-operative' is  sigining the confession !
[16:45] <Ironholds> if you're talking about federal, jps is talking state. so you're both right :)
[16:45] <quanticle> Ironholds: State level law
[16:45] <jps> The most expensive part of the procedure involved was a 10 cent photocopy of the State annotated constitution.
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[16:45] <Ironholds> quanticle: then you two may be talking about entirely different jurisdictions
[16:46] <Ironholds> I'm not a criminal guy and I'm not a US guy, but I can think of examples where amateur-recorded videos have been used
[16:46] <jps> (which said receptionist ripped up and handed back to me)
[16:46] <Ironholds> shooting of Oscar Grant, say
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[16:47] <tommorris> that's m:bash-able
[16:47] <tommorris> <Ironholds> I'm not a criminal
[16:48] <jps> California on the other hand, was absurd. The Assistant D.A. held out for a full year against my Motion to Compel Discovery before dropping the charges
[16:48] <Qcoder00> tommorris:  Ironholds is a civil person, unless people present bad arguments ;)
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[16:48] <tommorris> Qcoder00: no, I can think of another way to make Ironholds be uncivil. it involves him having his laptop out, and I'm sitting next to him IRL and say "so, this thing on ANI"
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[16:48] <tommorris> then it all goes downhill
[16:48] <Ironholds> tommorris: but it does so HILARIOUSLY
[16:49] <Qcoder00> ANI == Admins not Insane ?
[16:49] <Ironholds> tommorris: I am technically a criminal, but it was many years ago
[16:49] <quanticle> jps: Heh. Nice. It's not that way everywhere, unfortunately. One of my colleague's sister was amongst the RNC8. She had her life put on hold for 2 years while her case bounced down from federal court to state court and from state court to county court. In the end, the case got dismissed, but during that two year time, she couldn't get a job, ...
[16:49] <quanticle> ... she couldn't get housing, she couldn't get credit. She was a virtual pariah to American society.
[16:49] <quanticle> The government doesn't have to obtain a conviction to ruin your life.
[16:49] <Ironholds> amen
[16:49] <Ironholds> you're indicted for kiddy-fiddling, you really think "but the jury hasn't convicted me yet!" will save your reputation?
[16:49] <jps> ouch. You've got to pick your battles. The RNC was very strange, the first barbed wire free speech zone
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[16:50] <quanticle> Or, in her case, "terroristic threats".
[16:50] <jps> ....at a national convention
[16:50] <Ironholds> it's one of the reasons that, over here, we have a very strong contempt of court law
[16:50] <Ironholds> you publish anything in a paper that crosses over the line, the attorney general will prosecute your red-letter ass
[16:50] <Qcoder00> quanticle : Someone I once knew claimed a way to wreck someones life was to merley tell the police they'd been seen acting in suspect manner outside a school...
[16:50] <quanticle> Qcoder00: I believe it.
[16:51] <tommorris> the Christopher Jeffries case only goes to show you don't even have to be CHARGED to have your life significantly fucked up
[16:51] <quanticle> tommorris: Christopher Jeffries?
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[16:51] <quanticle> I take it you don't mean the basketball player?
[16:52] <tommorris> quanticle: no, I mean the guy who was suspected in the Joanna Yeates murder case in Britain
[16:52] <quanticle> Oh wow. Sucks to be him.
[16:52] <geniice> tommorris well you say that but actualy he's done okey. everyone knows he's inoccent and since he was retired it didn't impact his career
[16:52] <tommorris> he was taken in for questioning, arrested, then there was a media shitstorm about him
[16:52] <Qcoder00> Didn't some tabloids wrongly asumme 'He dunnit'?
[16:52] <tommorris> shit tons
[16:53] <Ironholds> Qcoder00: sure. and then they got the bejesus sued out of them
[16:53] <tommorris> and got, err, high-quality tabloid news sources alleging he was a perv
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[16:53] <Qcoder00> The same high quality sources that  led to the NoTW's closure ? XD
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[16:54] <tommorris> Qcoder00: well, yes and no. the most surprising thing about the news of the world voicemails is that they were one of the few bits of tabloid journalism that isn't completely made up
[16:55] <tommorris> without phone hacking, tabloids will just have to resort to the time-honoured tradition of making shit up
[16:55] <geniice> tommorris did they ever actualy claim he was a perv? seemed mostly to be that he was just wierd
[16:55] <tommorris> no, one of the papers had a story with two schoolgirls claiming he had once had some kind of sexual fumble with kids at the school
[16:56] <Ironholds> tommorris: who hasn't? I have!
[16:56] <Ironholds> I mean, I was 16 at the time
[16:56] <tommorris> and the Daily Mirror had a source claim he was a peeping tom
[16:56] <Ironholds> but still
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[16:58] <jps> speaking of which I am looking for someone to replace me as the designated whipping bo^W^W person who has to bring up the peer reviewed secondary research on porn
[16:58] <Qcoder00> jps : There is serious academic research on porno?
[16:58] <jps> although maybe I should resign myself to the pariah role
[16:59] <jps> yes! Qcoder00, it never fails to get by ass b&
[16:59] <Ironholds> hey guys; office hours on the Article Feedback Tool in #wikimedia-office, if anyone is interested :).
[16:59] <jps> primarily because it's so counter-intuitive
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[17:00] <tommorris> (snark snark snark)
[17:00] <jps> take http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2010-porn-in-czech-republic.html for example.  I dare you all to post " Of particular note is that this country, like Denmark and Japan, had a prolonged interval during which possession of child pornography was not illegal and, like those other countries, showed a significant decrease in the incidence of child sex abuse." anywhere on the net and not get banned a few weeks la
[17:00] <tommorris> jps: wikiversity awats
[17:00] <tommorris> jps: wikiversity awaits
[17:01] <jps> sorry, my wikiversity essay I'm working on has nothing to do with porn
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[17:02] <tommorris> the great thing about Wikiversity: nobody worries about grade inflation.
[17:02] <jps> lol
[17:02] <Peter-C> I want a Ford Pinto
[17:03] <Demiurge1000> Peter-C: Will you settle for a [[Rabbi Pinto]] ?
[17:03] <tommorris> Peter-C: if you wish to die or get seriously injured in a massive petroleum explosion or fire, it can be arranged without you needing to buy a car from the 1970s.
[17:03] <tommorris> I know people like Ironholds. He'll be happy to help.
[17:04] <geniice> where is Ironholds going to get as bunch of petrol from
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[17:05] <tommorris> geniice: I'm sure if watching Peter-C burning alive is the reward, where there's a will there's a way
[17:06] <Ironholds> geniice: police station
[17:07] <harej> Or a petro station?
[17:07] <harej> petrol, too
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[17:11] <Peter-C> harej - I need an emergency grant
[17:11] <Peter-C> I am trying to build a partical accelerator
[17:12] <harej> Particle accelerators are not within our organization's mission.
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[17:16] <jps> Peter-C: what is your penetration remediation strategy for your accelerator?
�06[17:17] * Peter-C looks at jps and hits his hands together
[17:17] <Peter-C> that is my stragety
[17:17] <Peter-C> :D
[17:17] <jps> also are you willing to go along with the GPS cruise missle avoidance routines pretending they haven't been folding into the special relativity correction?
[17:18] <jps> folded*
[17:18] <Peter-C> Sure!
[17:18] <jps> okay grant for you email Erik M!
[17:18] <Peter-C> Just give me money for the damn accelerator >:|
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�08[17:23] <[[Satan]]> [[God]] vs [[Satan]]
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[17:24] <[[God]]> I also own The_Devil!
[17:25] <Qcoder00> Can we please not have a religous debate here?
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�08[17:26] <________________> there
[17:26] #wikipedia-en Cannot send to channel
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[17:27] <Tired> Qcoder00: ...
[17:28] <Qcoder00> Tired:  There is a place for that sort of thing
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[17:45] <DarkoNeko> zzz
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[17:48] <tommorris> jps: do you mind if I post that quote on m:bash?
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[17:57] <jps> tommorris: my life is an open book. No objections
[17:57] <tommorris> jps: done
[17:58] <Qcoder00> jps: Ah yes but what is written on the page of an open book? Is it a golden virture of charity, or the black darkness of a sinful soul? ...
[17:58] <jps> Qcoder00: it's usually "____ was here"
[17:59] <Qcoder00> And if the page of ones life book is open, do we truly know that wht we write upon it is indeed that which should be written?
[17:59] <jps> it's in pencil, Qcoder00
[18:00] <Qcoder00> For if we write indelibly the darkness of sin,will not that evidence condemn?
�03[18:00] * D1000|Away is now known as Demiurge1000
[18:00] <Qcoder00> As the darkness of sin shall write,  repentance shall erase...
�06[18:00] * Qcoder00 waits for someone to ask if I'm off meds...
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[18:01] <Qcoder00> and if in repentance erased, shall the golden writing of merciful virture and charitable endavour shine ....
[18:02] <geniice> "that two of the members of Japanese idol group HKT48 are in elementary school?"
[18:02] <geniice> okey creepy
[18:02] <Qcoder00> and shine in glory
[18:02] <Qcoder00> ..
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[18:02] <Qcoder00> etc etc...
[18:02] <Qcoder00> jps: Sorry...
[18:02] <EdSaperia> hey peeps, what's happening in wikipedia town today?
[18:02] <jps> that's a very good question, Qcoder00. Suppose http://www.citebase.org/abstract?id=oai:arXiv.org:gr-qc/9310026 is correct and all dimensions above two are a figment of time. Who defines what endeavors in five dimensions are virtuous or charitable?
[18:02] <Qcoder00> I write that sort of stuff to well
[18:03] <jps> too*
[18:03] <EdSaperia> towel*
[18:03] <Qcoder00> jps: I'll leave that one for the philosphy students
[18:03] <jps> don't forget your towel*
[18:04] <Qcoder00> XD
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[18:09] <Sp33dyphil> hi Qcoder00
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[18:20] <SpitfireWP> It's an Excirial.
[18:20] <Excirial> *Waves*
[18:20] <SpitfireWP> You don't see them very often in the IRC these days.
[18:20] <SpitfireWP> Oh look, it's spotted us.
[18:20] <SpitfireWP> *waves*
[18:21] <SpitfireWP> How you been doing, Excirial? :P
[18:21] <Excirial> Well, 3 month Wikibreaks cause such things :)
[18:21] <SpitfireWP> Heh
[18:21] <Excirial> Busy. Waaay to busy.
[18:21] <Excirial> But it is good to have some free time again by now. ;)
Session Close: Fri Nov 18 18:22:31 2011

Session Start: Fri Nov 18 18:22:43 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[18:22] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[18:22] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks�'
�03[18:22] * Set by derp!~omg@bas7-montrealak-1128544932.dsl.bell.ca on Sun Oct 23 20:29:19
[18:22] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
[18:22] <SpitfireWP> Aye.
[18:22] <SpitfireWP> Demiurge1000, hahahahah
[18:23] <SpitfireWP> Wrong person. *sighs*
[18:23] <Logan_> >.>
[18:23] <Logan_> SpitfireWP, I think you need a Wikibreak :P
[18:23] <Excirial> Though some more hours of sleep will definitely be something on my todo list this weekend.
[18:23] <SpitfireWP> Logan_, IRC break more like.
[18:23] <Logan_> true
[18:23] <matthewrbowker> Logan_: I brought by "stupid" bot back, BTW
[18:23] <Logan_> awesome
[18:23] <SpitfireWP> Excirial, yeah, tell me about it. *chuckles*
[18:24] <Excirial> And how have you been doing yourself Spit?
�08[18:24] * derp waves at SpitfireWP
[18:24] <SpitfireWP> derp, :P
[18:24] <SpitfireWP> Ah, y'know, same old same old. :P
[18:24] <SpitfireWP> Just ambling through life, really.
�06[18:24] * Excirial has been running on a max 6 hours of sleep a day the past  3 weeks
[18:25] <SpitfireWP> Ouch :P
�06[18:25] * Excirial feels that "slowly breaking down" is more accurate though.
[18:25] <EdSaperia> what have you been up to?
[18:25] <Excirial> It is what they call "a day job".
�06[18:25] * SpitfireWP prescribes a weekend + bed + decent book/film.
[18:25] <Excirial> And the last few month of the years are always the busiest.
[18:26] <EdSaperia> anything exciting?
[18:26] <Excirial> Ooh, most certainly. I'm aiming for 12 hours of sleep today.
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[18:26] <Excirial> As for exciting - in a sense yes.
[18:27] <LikeLakers2-1> "McDonald's linked to animal cruelty" http://start.toshiba.com/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9R39UU02%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1011
[18:27] <LikeLakers2-1> wtf
[18:27] <Excirial> Nothing beats saving critical software while people expect it fixed 5 minutes ago.
[18:28] <jubo2> zzzleep
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[18:28] <Excirial> Sleep well then.
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[18:28] <SpitfireWP> Yeah, I think I'll turn in as well.
[18:29] <SpitfireWP> Night people.
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[18:29] <Excirial> Have a good night Spit
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[18:34] <tommorris> damnit, have the fundraising banners gone Jimbo only?
[18:35] <tommorris> I'm hitting refresh on Simplewiki and am getting nothing but Jimbo
[18:35] <EdSaperia> looks like it
[18:35] <mindspillage> tommorris: other editors are too complicated for Simple.
[18:35] <EdSaperia> some of those images are *pretty dodge*
[18:35] <EdSaperia> as much as I love the guy
[18:36] <mindspillage> (I think it is a big Jimbo push for the first few days)
[18:36] <mindspillage> EdSaperia: I like the naked-colord jacket.Made me do a double-take.
[18:36] <tommorris> they had Susan and jorm on the other day
[18:36] <tommorris> can't find them
[18:36] <EdSaperia> lolwhut
[18:36] <tommorris> (It is to answer a question, obvs.)
�06[18:36] * tommorris doesn't sit there and just hit refresh just for fun
[18:36] <mindspillage> History of Wales: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/tlossen/6357478483/in/photostream/lightbox/
[18:37] <tommorris> Nice
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�06[18:39] * tommorris wonders if Maryana will be appearing on fundraising banners
[18:39] <Maryana> hehe. yes...
[18:40] <tommorris> Aha, what's your WP username?
[18:40] <tommorris> You get a special barnstar
[18:40] <Maryana> Accedie
[18:40] <Maryana> but!
[18:40] <Maryana> i will not beat jimmy
[18:40] <Maryana> i don't think
[18:40] <tommorris> Meh, you still get one
[18:40] <Maryana> i didn't beat brandon. we tied in a weird way: more people clicked his banner, but more people donated to me
[18:40] <Sp33dyphil> hi Maryana
[18:40] <Maryana> so… people hate my face but think i have "character"
[18:40] <Maryana> hi sp33dyphil :)
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[18:42] <tommorris> Maryana: check your talk page
[18:42] <tommorris> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Accedie#A_barnstar_for_you.21
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[18:43] <Maryana> :D
[18:43] <Maryana> stevenw has joined… and is my mortal enemy, because he beat jimmy
�06[18:43] * Maryana curses
[18:43] <StevenW> What, I didn't beat Jimmy
[18:44] <Maryana> but you got the barnstar!
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[18:44] <tommorris> Then I must have misunderstood
[18:44] <StevenW> I only beat him in amount per 50
[18:44] <tommorris> Anyway, the Jimbo Barnstars go to anyone who is appearing in banners
[18:44] <StevenW> not in click rate
�06[18:44] * tommorris just answered this: http://www.quora.com/Why-is-Jimmy-Waless-image-used-to-raise-money-for-Wikipedia
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[18:44] <tommorris> Given I've been answering it a few times a day on OTRS, I figure I may as well answer it on Quora ;-)
[18:45] <Maryana> thanks, tommorris. i like barnstars! moar barnstars.
�06[18:45] * tommorris did spy Quora being discussed at the Foundation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fabola/6293642539/in/set-72157627802960348
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[18:47] <Maryana> oh, hehe, i was just cut off from that picture!
[18:47] <tommorris> I did spot you in another of Fabrice's photos
[18:47] <tommorris> he posted them in the office chat about the AFT
[18:47] <tommorris> which was fatal
[18:48] <tommorris> instead of thinking about the AFT I was browsing through Flickr
[18:48] <Maryana> oh look, here's me gesticulating wildly: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fabola/6244152860/in/set-72157627802960348/
[18:48] <Maryana> :-p
[18:48] <Ironholds> Maryana: it's the old age, all your nerves are going
[18:48] <Ironholds> kinda sad, really
�06[18:48] * tommorris should probably go to bed as he has to get up in approximately 5h 30m time to go down to Brighton for the Hackathon
[18:48] <Ironholds> if you want gesticulation, try http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/300183_283181188367926_100000281403833_1082212_142327939_n.jpg
[18:49] <Ironholds> it was meant to say "I am a competent public speaker"
[18:49] <Ironholds> what it actually says is "rawr, I'm a t-rex!"
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[18:50] <tommorris> Ironholds: I watched a Wikimania video today - one of the speakers referenced your Hippies With Guns talk
[18:50] <Ironholds> tommorris: what? where?
[18:50] <tommorris> said speaker was, IIRC, an admin on Polish wiki or perhaps an ArbCom member on Polish. I couldn't quite tell.
[18:51] <Ironholds> ahh. was this the talk immediately after mine? :P
[18:51] <tommorris> Ironholds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNiM_SBQlyE
[18:51] <Ironholds> was he bald, with a shiny shiny head?
[18:51] <Ironholds> aha
[18:51] <tommorris> Day 3
[18:51] <tommorris> Nope
[18:51] <tommorris> he looks like Walter from The Big Lebowski
[18:51] <Ironholds> him, I do not know
[18:51] <Ironholds> what sort of moment in it?
[18:52] <tommorris> Michał Buczyński (Aegis Maelstrom)
[18:52] <tommorris> http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Wikis_Love_Leaders!
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[18:52] <Ironholds> no, I mean, what time in the film?
[18:52] <tommorris> right at the beginning
[18:52] <tommorris> "Ten użytkownik był członkiem Komitetu Arbitrażowego polskiej Wikipedii."
[18:52] <tommorris> Yes, he was on plwiki ArbCom
[18:52] <mindspillage> tommorris: oh, right, Quora. I keep hoping that site will go away, but I gues it's better than Yahoo answers.
[18:53] <tommorris> mindspillage: it's like Yahoo! Answers but the douchebags are marginally better educated.
[18:53] <mindspillage> ::nods::
[18:53] <Ironholds> ahh, right at the beginning
[18:53] <Ironholds> tommorris: not true, Kohs posts there
[18:53] <tommorris> True. He's Yahoo! Answers baseline for sure.
[18:53] <geniice> tommorris wikipedia is heavily influenced by cyber libaterianism. Not a massive fan of leaders
[18:54] <mindspillage> Ironholds: I'm pretty sure Kohs got a decent education. It just doesn't necessarily show.
�06[18:54] * tommorris isn't a big fan of the concept of "leadership" because it tends to be something that douchey business motivational speaker types bang on about a bit too much.
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[18:54] <tommorris> "Leadership qualities" is what they want. And, yes, leadership is better than simply being a follower.
[18:55] <mindspillage> tommorris: I'm fine with the concept. But not most people who talk about it overmuch. For similar reaosns.
[18:55] <tommorris> But, you know, leadership qualities line up pretty well with "psychopath"
[18:55] <tommorris> Joi Ito had a wonderful podcast discussion recently where he talked about World of Warcraft and said that the great thing is that it brings people of all backgrounds together
[18:56] <tommorris> and when they try and lead a group in WoW on some kind of collective endeavour, the guys with MBAs really suck at it
[18:56] <mindspillage> I think actual leadership qualities don't have to line up. But no one gives seminars on those.
[18:56] <tommorris> and the people who do well are people whose jobs require lots of listening: bartenders and nurses.
[18:57] <Ironholds> mindspillage: could be worse. Did i tell you what happened at Mozzfest?
[18:57] <Ironholds> they had a motivational fucking speaker compering.
�06[18:57] * Ironholds shudders to think of it, even now
�06[18:57] * Tired waves to Ironholds
[18:57] <Ironholds> hey, Tired!
[18:57] <mindspillage> Ironholds: no. Also, "MozzFest" sounds like it should be about cheese.
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[18:58] <tommorris> Ironholds: it turns out that he actually works for Mozilla.
[18:58] <tommorris> He's not actually a motivational speaker, he's just a douchebag.
[18:58] <tommorris> I know, it's hard to tell the difference.
[18:59] <Ironholds> hahaha
[18:59] <Ironholds> mindspillage: you're only the third person to amke that joke
[19:00] <tommorris> no, my problem with the whole 'leadership' thing is the idolization of the "strong leader"
[19:00] <tommorris> sometimes we need "weak leaders"
[19:00] <geniice> tommorris what you are looking at there is the difference between small group leadership and leadership where you have at least one layer between you and the peons
[19:01] <geniice> classicaly non coms vs officers
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�06[19:02] * tommorris would prefer, if we are to have leaders, to have smart, sane leaders who provide decent reasons for doing things rather than "strong" leaders who demand obedience because they are so strong.
[19:03] <Logan_> Mozilla <3
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[19:03] <Demiurge1000> tommorris: You should move to Russia, they seem to have that balance right.  Hmm, or do they...
[19:03] <tommorris> Mozillafolk are awesome
[19:04] <Pilif12p> yes they are
[19:05] <SigmaWP> Logan_: Still +b?
[19:05] <Logan_> Who?
[19:05] <Pilif12p> tommorris: you went to mozfest?
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[19:05] <Logan_> MRB[brb]: lol
[19:05] <Logan_> that rhymes
[19:05] <tommorris> Pilif12p: yep.
[19:05] <SigmaWP> Of course b rhymes with b >_>
[19:05] <Logan_> tommorris: I am awesome
[19:05] <geniice> tommorris the advantage of stong leaders though is that when you kill them they go away
[19:05] <MRB[brb]> Logan_: You're right O.O
[19:05] <Logan_> SigmaWP: Who is still +b?
[19:05] <SigmaWP> The bot chan
[19:06] <Pilif12p> tommorris: did you meet a leo? shortish, 14 years old
[19:06] <tommorris> Pilif12p: can't say I did
[19:06] <Pilif12p> aw
[19:06] <tommorris> Pilif12p: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Knight_Foundation_and_Mozilla_send_geeks_into_newsrooms
[19:06] <Pilif12p> oh
[19:06] <Ironholds> Pilif12p: I was there too!
[19:06] <Ironholds> wikimedia had three people there
[19:06] <Pilif12p> Ironholds: Cool
[19:06] <Demiurge1000> Hmm, three people... and some geeks as well?
[19:06] <Ironholds> although to be honest I spent most of my time making fun of cyber-utopians
[19:07] <Pilif12p> I'm trying to plan a Mozcamp North America...
[19:08] <geniice> Ironholds well someone has to be idealistic
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[19:09] <SigmaWP> I'm waiting for a speedy tag I applied to turn 1 day old.
[19:09] <Ironholds> geniice: sure, but when they start talking about how technology is inevitably a force for good..
[19:10] <geniice> Ironholds it allows for shorter wars
[19:10] <Demiurge1000> and better news coverage of them
�06[19:10] * tommorris thought he wasn't a cyber-utopian, but then considered exactly how much free, amateur pornography is uploaded every single day.
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[19:11] <geniice> tommorris	I think you mean educational material
[19:12] <tommorris> Oh,  wasn't tlaking about Commons
[19:12] <Jeff_G> art
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[19:12] <tommorris> but that some of it is free as in Stallman - that' sgood too
[19:14] <Jeff_G> free as in not behind a paywall is almost as good.
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[19:16] <SigmaWP> StevenW: 93 AfDs :D
[19:16] <SigmaWP> Whoops wrong Steve
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[19:21] <Gumruch> Hello, could someone check these edits? It's not my cup of tea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.77.63.152
[19:21] <Eta-theta> Gumruch: What about them?
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[19:23] <Gumruch> Eta-theta: for example why should be "Wrestling by country" separated from "Wrestling"? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Wrestling_by_country&diff=prev&oldid=461268708
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[19:24] <Eta-theta> Gumruch: It' shouldnt.
[19:24] <Gumruch> Eta-theta: so I do not understand the other edits by this IP
[19:24] <Eta-theta> Type "!admin" for admin help, Gumruch
[19:24] <SigmaWP> Eta-theta: YOU JUST PINGED THEM ALL
[19:25] <Eta-theta> OH NO
[19:25] <Gfoley4> :|
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[19:25] <Jeff_G> !trout Eta-theta
[19:25] <Eta-theta> !trout
[19:26] <Eta-theta> I'm sorry if anyone received an unnecessary ping
[19:26] <Demiurge1000> OMG YOU JUST PINGED ALL THE TROUTS!
[19:26] <Eta-theta> :D
[19:26] <Eta-theta> !jimbo
[19:27] <Demiurge1000> No, you type jwales to ping him
[19:27] <Eta-theta> i know
[19:27] <Eta-theta> !people
[19:27] <Jeff_G> only if he's in the room
[19:27] <Jeff_G> pong
[19:28] <Eta-theta> !pingpongplayers
[19:28] <Eta-theta> !peoplewhohategettingpinged
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[19:30] <geniice> |.
[19:30] <geniice> |    .
[19:30] <geniice> |       .
[19:30] <Eta-theta> If any admin received an unnecessary ping, I am greatly sorry
[19:32] <Eta-theta> #trout
[19:32] <Eta-theta> won't open for me
[19:32] <Eta-theta> hmm
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[19:33] <Gfoley4> Bummer.
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[19:34] <Eta-theta> Yeah, huh
[19:34] <Eta-theta> I want to say hi to trouts.
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[19:41] <SigmaWP> Ks0stm|iPhone: No Ks0stMobile?
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[19:42] <Ks0stm|iPhone> Nah, but I was just on TV
�06[19:42] * SigmaWP is doing NACs :D
[19:43] <Ks0stm|iPhone> I can't do stuff like that from iPhone that easy
[19:43] <Eta-theta> Hey, my cloak request was a success!
[19:44] <SigmaWP> Eta-theta: Yay!
[19:44] <Eta-theta> SigmaWP: !yaY for palindromes!
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[19:45] <SigmaWP> Aww
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[19:46] <Eta-theta> Waa
[19:46] <Eta-theta> Wwa*
[19:47] <Sp33dyphil> yo SigmaWP
[19:47] <Sp33dyphil> how's it going?
[19:47] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Hello
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[19:48] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: is the USSR sandbox thingy going well?
[19:48] <SigmaWP> It's doing fine
[19:48] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: when are you planning to finish the article?
[19:48] <SigmaWP> Soon
[19:48] <SigmaWP> >)
[19:48] <SigmaWP> Within 5 months
[19:48] <Eta-theta> Greek alphabet usernames FTW!
[19:49] <SigmaWP> To fulfill my five-month plan :D
[19:49] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: not five-year? ><
[19:49] <SigmaWP> I'll be old by then :P
[19:49] <Jeske_Merensky> That reminds me; need to work on Tempestas et Stringere, as well as finding a place to host it that isn't a melting-pot site
[19:50] <Eta-theta> !/nick _-!-_
[19:51] <Eta-theta> == _-!-_ Erroneous Nickname
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[19:51] <_-1-_> Eta-theta: :D
[19:51] <Eta-theta> nick _-2-_
�03[19:51] * Eta-theta is now known as _-2-_
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[19:53] <^^5> brb to do nick testing.
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[19:53] <tommorris> I would like to point out that I think OTRS needs to add a new queue: "stark raving bonkers"
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[19:54] <tommorris> the beatles1.ru stuff could go there for instance
[19:54] <Sp33dyphil> Anyone good with copyediting?
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�06[19:55] * _-1-_ is trying to AfD something
[19:55] <Eta-theta> _-1-_ what rticle?
[19:55] <Eta-theta> article*
[19:55] <_-1-_> Eta-theta: http://enwp.org/rage_comic
[19:55] <WilliamH_UK> tommorris - agree entirely
[19:55] <_-1-_> It was originally a CSD candidate (courtesy of me
[19:55] <_-1-_> )
�03[19:56] * _-1-_ is now known as SigmaWP
[19:56] <SigmaWP> Except it was declined
[19:56] <SigmaWP> PRODed, removed by creator
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[19:56] <SigmaWP> And the creator has been blocked before
[19:56] <SigmaWP> for removing speedies from his articles
[19:56] <SigmaWP> >_>
�06[19:56] * SigmaWP just wants to get back at him for that
[19:56] <Eta-theta> Why. though, delete it?
[19:56] <Eta-theta> *Why,
[19:57] <SigmaWP> Eta-theta: he dares to remove speedies from his own articles.
[19:57] <Eta-theta> ooh
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[19:57] <SigmaWP> Such a sinister crime made by someone who is fully aware of the policy on it) can not go unpunished
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[19:58] <SigmaWP> Perfect timing.
[19:58] <Eta-theta> For what?
[19:58] <Eta-theta> SigmaWP: Um, just be cause s/he wrote the article doesn't mean you must delete it.
[19:58] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: you're good at copyeditng?
[19:59] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: No, sorry
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[20:00] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: coz I'm trying to edit the food section of [[Sonora]], and I'm wondering whether I should italicise some of the Mexican dishes or not since they're written in Spanish (without accents)
[20:00] <SigmaWP> Italics
[20:00] <Eta-theta> Without accents?
[20:00] <Eta-theta> :O
[20:00] <Sp33dyphil> Italicise as a verb
[20:00] <Eta-theta> áéíóúñü
[20:01] <SigmaWP> http://www.boingboing.net/2011/11/01/testicular-tumor-has-a-face.html
[20:01] <SigmaWP> Hehehe
[20:01] <Logan_> read the Manual of Style
[20:01] <Eta-theta> :O
[20:01] <Eta-theta> (gasp)
[20:02] <Eta-theta> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8860498/Face-discovered-in-testicular-tumour.html = original article, I think
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[20:03] <Demiurge1000> Two sources already... so probably notable
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[20:04] <Sp33dyphil> hey it's Demiurge1000!
[20:04] <Demiurge1000> the Telegraph is a top quality source
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[20:04] <Sp33dyphil> ya
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[20:04] <Eta-theta> foks: Check out my userpage. I got some inspiration from you
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[20:04] <Logan_> read: copied you
[20:05] <foks> awesome, haha
[20:05] <Sp33dyphil> Demourge1000: hello
[20:05] <Sp33dyphil> Can you have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonora&action=view&diff=461363019 ?
[20:05] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: yes, hello
[20:05] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: Every time I look at it and suggest improvements, I hear nothing back from you, then you sign off without commenting
[20:05] <Logan_> Sp33dyphil: the tab key allows you to spell nicks correctly
[20:06] <Eta-theta> Sp33dyphil: I love that edit
[20:06] <Pilif12p> Sp33dyphil: i'm pinging you because everyone else is
[20:06] <PiRSquared17> Sp33dyphil: Are they annoying you?
[20:07] <Demiurge1000> Sp33dyphil: "diary products"  ?
[20:07] <Eta-theta> :D
[20:07] <Sp33dyphil> Hey, stop pinging me :P
[20:07] <SigmaWP> Demiurge1000: but that article does not discuss rage comics
[20:07] <SigmaWP> Eta-theta: You should take stuff from my userpage :D
[20:07] <SigmaWP> If you can :D
[20:07] <Eta-theta> Ah, cool
[20:08] <Eta-theta> :D
[20:08] <Eta-theta> D:
[20:08] <SigmaWP> Now I'm trying to persuade everyone that the sources discussing rage comics are not reliable
[20:08] <Sp33dyphil> Eta-theta: I can tell you SigmaWP's atuall userpage
[20:08] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Don't.
[20:09] <Eta-theta> I know, It's user:ς
[20:09] <Eta-theta> not the code, though
[20:09] <SigmaWP> Cedillas :O
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[20:09] <Eta-theta> SigmaWP: not a cedilla. ς ç there's a difference
[20:09] <SigmaWP> Oh.
[20:10] <SigmaWP> Never noticed, they look the same anyway
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[20:10] <Eta-theta> It's a lowercase sigma in final-word format
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[20:10] <SigmaWP> I know.
�06[20:10] * Seddon hugs SigmaWP
[20:10] <Eta-theta> I had it under cmd-v for some reason.
[20:11] <Eta-theta> Or ctrl-v
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[20:14] <geniice> Hmm another argument that we should use the term women rather than girl
[20:14] <geniice> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUvRPmL61SI
[20:14] <geniice> the problem is there is a tendency for geeks to give up and use "female"
[20:14] <Eta-theta> SigmaWP: http://enwp.org/File:Screen_Shot_2011-11-18_at_7.12.44_PM.png I love that about your userpage :D and your talkpage editnotice, with the things at the top
[20:15] <SigmaWP> :P
[20:15] <SigmaWP> It looks better when you use Monobook skin
[20:15] <Pilif12p> so, rewriting a bot.. anyone wanna help?
[20:15] <Eta-theta> Realleh
[20:15] <Eta-theta> Ok
[20:16] <Sp33dyphil> Eta-theta: What do you think about my user page?
[20:16] <Eta-theta> ARGH let me check it
[20:16] <Eta-theta> ok
[20:16] <Eta-theta> should be fun!
[20:17] <Eta-theta> SigmaWP: True about monobook
[20:17] <SigmaWP> The bathrobe person is in the wikiglobe now :P
[20:17] <foks> Did you seriously just host a screenshot on wikipedia
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[20:17] <Eta-theta> Okay. Sp33dyphil: Username is Sp33dyphil right?
[20:18] <Eta-theta> ok
[20:18] <Sp33dyphil> yea
[20:19] <Eta-theta> Sp33dy: I like it. However see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blackonblacksp33dy.png
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[20:20] <foks> Yeah, could you not host screenshots on wikipedia, Eta-theta
[20:20] <foks> [[WP:WEBHOST]]
[20:20] <Eta-theta> foks: Oh noooo
[20:20] <Eta-theta> D:
[20:20] <SigmaWP> Eta-theta: Replace the files with {{db-g7}}
[20:21] <foks> Use twitpic, yfrog, Cloud, Photobucket, imgur...
[20:21] <foks> Heaps of sites for it
[20:21] <Sp33dyphil> Eta-theta: how did you know about that screenshot?
[20:21] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: He just made it
[20:21] <SigmaWP> Half a second ago
[20:21] <Sp33dyphil> oh
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[20:23] <Eta-theta> well I {{db-g7}}'d all of them
[20:23] <foks> cool
[20:24] <Eta-theta> D:
[20:24] <foks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Notontrout.png
[20:24] <foks> :)
[20:25] <Eta-theta> Not that one
[20:25] <foks> uh
[20:25] <foks> okay..
[20:25] <Eta-theta> Should it be db-g7'd?
[20:26] <foks> I don't see its use
[20:26] <foks> but meh
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[20:28] <Eta-theta> I saw this on the sandbox once:
[20:28] <Eta-theta> THIS IS A SANDBOX
[20:28] <Eta-theta> BEEP BOOP BEEP BOOP
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[20:31] <Sp33dyphil> Eta-theta: how about now? What do u think of my user page?
[20:31] <Sp33dyphil> wait
[20:31] <Eta-theta> let mai sai
[20:31] <Eta-theta> mmkai
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[20:32] <Sp33dyphil> Eta-theta: u can delete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blackonblacksp33dy.png now
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[20:32] <BenjicMouse> Can a mail bomb be an envelope?
[20:32] <Seddon> yer
[20:32] <Eta-theta> sp33dyphil: not an admin. fox deleted it
[20:33] <Sp33dyphil> Eta-theta: are you good with programming?
[20:33] <BenjicMouse> ?
[20:33] <Eta-theta> Eh...
[20:33] <Eta-theta> maybe
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[20:34] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: What language?
[20:35] <Sp33dyphil> Wikimedia language
[20:36] <Eta-theta> Wiki markup
[20:36] <Logan_> I wouldn't exactly call wikitext "programming."
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[20:36] <Eta-theta> :O
[20:36] <SigmaWP> Ryulong: What have you done to Sp33dyphil???
[20:36] <Logan_> He always does that...
[20:36] <Pilif12p> http://i.imgur.com/Js6PY.jpg
[20:36] <Ryulong> Sigma
[20:37] <Ryulong> I need that hot iron poker again
[20:37] <Eta-theta> ?
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[20:37] <Logan_> Pilif12p: This one's better: http://i.imgur.com/RERAq.png
[20:37] <Ryulong> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yui_%28singer%29&diff=461363169&oldid=461358162
[20:37] <Ryulong> he fucking did it again
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[20:38] <Ryulong> using a shit source to say something that is blatantly false
[20:38] <Ryulong> not the first one, the second one
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[20:40] <Ryulong> because apparently "stylization" needs to be sourced despite the fact that it is an artifact of the enforcement of our manual of style
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[20:43] <Peter-C> Mitchazenia - Are your Mondays free still?
[20:43] <SigmaWP> No, I paid $50 last Monday
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[20:47] <Ironholds> it is too early in the morning
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[20:48] <foks> I'm sorry on behalf of Australia, Ironholds
[20:48] <Ironholds> foks: you should be!
[20:48] <Ironholds> coming to office hours?
[20:48] <foks> I'm already there.
[20:48] <foks> :3
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[20:52] <Ironholds> foks: <3
[20:52] <Ironholds> and how long until it starts? :P
[20:53] <Jeske_Merensky>  /* Swear */ fuck-bomb; apparently I cannot say 'fuck' here. Oh, fuck, I did twice. Fuck! 3 times. Fuck. Aargh..." (matched \bf+([^a-z]?)u+\1?(c+\1?k+|k+\1?c*)\1?(e+\1?r+\1?[sz]*\1?|s+\1?|(i|e)+\1?n+\1?(g+\1?)?|e+\1?d+\1?)?) used by [[User:Chzz]], edited [[User talk:Steven (WMF)]]; Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=461366788&oldid=461364965
[20:53] <Jeske_Merensky> :P
�08[20:53] <derp> well, fuck.
[20:54] <SpitfireWP> Not the most readable regex I've ever seen.
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[20:55] <Ironholds> foks: no, srsly, how long until it starts?
[20:55] <Ironholds> I've got it down as "in one hour", but my brain is melted
[20:56] <foks> Oh.
[20:56] <foks> It's 10am now
[20:56] <foks> So 11am
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[20:57] <Ironholds> foks: love yoou
[20:57] <foks> :3
[20:57] <BenjicMouse> Can a mail bomb be an envelope?
�06[20:58] * Tired waves to foks
[20:58] <foks> o/
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�08[21:01] <derp> BenjicMouse, provided the right elements, maybe :)
[21:01] <SigmaWP> Does Know Your Meme demonstrate notability?
[21:01] <foks> No.
[21:01] <SigmaWP> Excellent!
[21:01] <SigmaWP> foks: Mind if I use that in an AfD?
[21:02] <foks> ...My opinion?
[21:02] <foks> Probably not
[21:02] <SigmaWP> Oh, I thought that was fact
[21:02] <foks> heh
[21:02] <foks> I don't think it is
[21:02] <foks> But [[WP:RS]] or something should cover it
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�08[21:06] <derp> knowyourmeme is a well known source, researched too.
[21:06] <MRB[brb]> BRB = LOL, I totally fell asleep for about an hour :P
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[21:06] <foks> :P
[21:07] <foks> Afaik, knowyourmeme is user-contributed
[21:10] <SigmaWP> foks: Can you interpret the consensus at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_97#Know_your_Meme
�06[21:10] * SigmaWP needs to use that as a reason to delete an article :D
[21:10] <foks>     As a user and contributor to KYM, it is far from the editoral site we would expect. Yes, there are paid moderators that improve entries to valid them as memes, but because 90% of the content is from users (effectively a stricter wiki but a wiki nevertheless), its hard to draw the lne between the editors and the users on that site. It should be avoided as a source if possible.
[21:11] <foks> It's user generated
[21:11] <foks> So about as reliable as a Wiki
[21:11] <SigmaWP> OK
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[21:11] <foks> (read: not very)
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[21:13] <WilliamH_UK> agree
[21:13] <WilliamH_UK> good summary
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[21:18] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> back
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[21:20] <WilliamH_UK> ahoy
[21:22] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> hai
[21:23] <Pilif12p> dumb bitch
[21:23] <Pilif12p> bit me
[21:24] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> don't call me a dumb bitch
[21:24] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> that was uncalled for.
[21:24] <Pilif12p> no
[21:24] <Pilif12p> my dumb bitch
[21:24] <Pilif12p> she bit me
[21:24] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> who is your dumb fucking bitch?
[21:25] <Pilif12p> she's just a bitch
[21:25] <Pilif12p> not a fucking bitch
[21:25] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> what kind of bitch?
[21:25] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> like a dog?
[21:25] <Pilif12p> yeah
[21:25] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> so why does your dumb bitch bite you?
[21:26] <Pilif12p> dunno
[21:27] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> this chat be talkin about bitches.
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[21:28] <BenjicMouse> Sigh.
[21:28] <BenjicMouse> Can a mail bomb be an envelope, or is it always a package?
[21:29] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> If it's small enough.
[21:29] <Seddon> It can be a letter
[21:29] <BenjicMouse> That's not an answer...
[21:29] <Seddon> i answered this earlier
[21:29] <BenjicMouse> Hmm.
[21:29] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Yes it is.
[21:29] <BenjicMouse> No, you didn't answer it earlier.
[21:29] <BenjicMouse> So an envelope could explode?
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[21:29] <BenjicMouse> And only when it's opened?
[21:30] <Seddon> [01:32]	BenjicMouse	Can a mail bomb be an envelope?
[21:30] <LL2|JedIRC> Ohai
[21:30] <Seddon> [01:32]	Seddon	yer
[21:30] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> Like something reactive to oxygen?
[21:30] <Seddon> BenjicMouse: yes
[21:30] <BenjicMouse> Scary shit.
[21:30] <BenjicMouse> "yer" is not an answer and I had no idea you meant me.
[21:30] <Seddon> Rainbow-Dash-EN: no, more likely to be a electronic switch
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[21:31] <LL2|JedIRC> :P
[21:31] <BenjicMouse> Rainbow-Dash-EN: There's oxygen inside the envelope...
[21:31] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> What? You plan to be pulling something like 9/11 or Oklahoma City?
[21:31] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> talking about shit like that.
[21:31] <BenjicMouse> No, I wonder if I should ever open any letters.
[21:31] <Seddon> 9/11 wasnt exactly a letter bomb...........
[21:31] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> or maybe some Coumbline
[21:31] <Seddon> BenjicMouse: No you should never ever open any letters ever again
[21:32] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> You know, you could be biological with the envelope, like anthrax.
[21:32] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> but I don't see how a bomb could be explosive enough to cause major damage.
[21:32] <geniice> BenjicMouse mail bombs are not a significant threat from letters razor blade under the flap is more common
[21:33] <BenjicMouse> Then what's the point of them, Rainbow-Dash-EN?
[21:33] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> if you're looking from a homegrown terrorist prespective.
[21:33] <BenjicMouse> geniice: Razor blade under the what?
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[21:33] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> I'm just assuming there is too little of a punch.
[21:33] <BenjicMouse> geniice: Is that sentence lacking punctuation?
[21:33] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> there's only really a lot of shit you can stuff into a standard sized envelope.
[21:33] <geniice> BenjicMouse	 under the letter flap. So the person cuts their finger trying to open it
[21:34] <geniice> BenjicMouse	can be delt with by using letter openers
[21:34] <BenjicMouse> "only really a lot of shit"?
[21:34] <BenjicMouse> geniice: That assumes that the opener is very clumsy and uses his fingers directly.
[21:34] <BenjicMouse> I always use a knife.
[21:34] <BenjicMouse> I don't really see how you can hide a razor blade there.
[21:34] <geniice> but it is an attack that been tried
[21:35] <geniice> with think people people opening large numbers of letters won't notice
[21:35] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> aka, the 2001 anthrax attacks.
[21:35] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> anyone remember that?
[21:36] <foks> No.
[21:36] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> someone was sending anthrax to reporters in major news companies?
[21:37] <BenjicMouse> Did it affect them?
[21:37] <BenjicMouse> "there's only really a lot of shit you can stuff into a standard sized envelope." is a nonsensical sentence.
[21:37] <geniice> Activists working as the Justice Department have sent out letter bombs and envelopes rigged with poisoned razor blades.[4] In 1994, a rat trap equipped with razor blades was sent to Prince Charles after he took his sons on their first foxhunt.
[21:37] <geniice> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/902751.stm
[21:39] <foks> Rainbow-Dash-EN, in the US
[21:39] <foks> So we cared nought
[21:40] <foks> Or at least I didn't, being about eight at the time
[21:40] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> >implying brits were relevant after remains of your empire gave the chair to the USSR and USA.
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[21:41] <foks> I have no idea what that means
[21:41] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> FUCK IT, I'M QUITTING LIVE.
[21:41] <Rainbow-Dash-EN> I DON'T CARE, FUCK IT.
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[21:42] <foks> Okay bye
[21:42] <foks> :3
[21:43] <Ironholds> uuurgh
[21:43] <Ironholds> so tired
�06[21:43] * foks feeds Ironholds coffee
[21:43] <Tired> Ironholds: Ikr?
[21:44] <foks> I'm tired, too, but it's 10.43am
[21:44] <Tired> Americans are retarded. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/pizza-vegetable-school-lunches-lobbyists_n_1098029.html?ref=mostpopular
[21:44] <foks> Yeah, I know.
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[21:44] <Ironholds> Tired: ikr?
[21:44] <foks> And I saw that news story too
[21:44] <Ironholds> dude, I've been up for 19 hours
[21:44] <Ironholds> I have to host an office hours session in 15 minutes
[21:45] <Tired> Ironholds: I've been up for almost 12 hours loll... and I just had a nap so less than that.
[21:45] <Ironholds> Tired: 12? pansy.
[21:45] <Tired> Ironholds: I'm just naturally tired and mellow.
[21:45] <Tired> I love it.
[21:45] <Tired> except for the tired part.
[21:45] <foks> On Tuesday, Congress decided that pizza is a vegetable. I have to imagine that this news instilled confusion in many Americans, as many Americans are (a) familiar with pizza, (b) familiar with vegetables and (c) sane.
[21:46] <Tired> foks: Only A is correct.
[21:46] <Ironholds> well, they didn't
[21:46] <Ironholds> they decided that tomato toppings on pizzas had vegetables in them
[21:46] <foks> hahaha
[21:46] <Tired> But really, it's only partially correct because you can't call that "pizza"
�06[21:46] * Tired knows a good pizza
[21:47] <kylu> ...I was wondering what the hell my roomie was going on about earlier.
[21:47] <foks> Well, it's that
[21:47] <foks> :3
[21:47] <kylu> "We're having veggies for dinner" ... and she ordered a pizza. o.O;
[21:47] <foks> Oh, haah
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[21:47] <foks> It's for purposes of school lunches, looks like
[21:47] <foks> Rather than just in general
[21:47] <EdSaperia> meat and two veg, excellent meal
[21:48] <EdSaperia> possibly a steak sandwiched between two pizzas
[21:48] <foks> So you won't see pizza in the veg section
[21:48] <Demiurge1000> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Wiki_Conference_India :
[21:48] <Demiurge1000> ... Plagiarism problems. For example; Article: "the Conference will have a distinct Indian flavour"...
[21:48] <foks> ALSO
[21:48] <foks> Isn't tomato a fruit
[21:48] <Demiurge1000> Surely plagiarism problems /are/ the distinct Indian flavour! :D
[21:48] <Tired> foks: It is.
[21:48] <kylu> Demi: no licking Desi folks pls.
[21:48] <foks> :3
[21:49] <Demiurge1000> kylu: Umm what is a Desi folk ? :S
[21:50] <Demiurge1000> do you mean *kicking* ? But I still don't know what one is
[21:50] <kylu> Desi (hi) "Region", generalized term to mean people from the Indian subcontinent and its surrounding areas.
[21:50] <Demiurge1000> Aha! thanks
[21:51] <Demiurge1000> ok, I get it now... only took me half an hour :)
[21:51] <kylu> since "Indian" and related words tend to be either too specific or pejorative, they (as a whole) prefer "Desi"
[21:51] <kylu> for instance, talk to a nice Desi gal in the UK and you're okay, call her a "Paki" and you're in for an ass-kicking.
[21:51] <Demiurge1000> I have a suspicion many British sources use "the Indian subcontinent" and then craftily take out the word "Indian", to get round that problem
[21:52] <Demiurge1000> don't worry, I was aware of P*** as being viewed as extremely unpleasant pejorative since I was about 9 :)
[21:53] <Demiurge1000> it's one of the few words probably viewed more harshly in the UK than the USA
[21:53] <Demiurge1000> so the potential for on-wiki chaos is err, I mean, there is a risk of WP:BEANS
[21:54] <kylu> I understand the only worse thing to call someone is a "Yank" or "American" ;)
[21:55] <Demiurge1000> American is what people mistakenly call Canadians, resulting in mild offence... I don't think British people ever actually use the term "Yank" unless they're using it in humour or are about 85+ years old
[21:56] <foks> I use "Yank" to mean "American"
[21:56] <foks> I think a lot of people do
[21:56] <Demiurge1000> I've never seen you use it here...
[21:56] <Demiurge1000> nor on-wiki, though perhaps you have
�06[21:56] * Seddon refers to two subcontinents
[21:57] <Demiurge1000> Seddon: Is there another?
[21:57] <Seddon> The "indian" and the "arabian"
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[21:57] <Demiurge1000> Oo, nice
[21:57] <Demiurge1000> The subcontinent south!
[21:57] <foks> Demiurge1000, I use it a lot
[21:58] <Ironholds> Aussies, Kiwis, East Asians and americans staying up late - if you want to know about the Article Feedback Tool, we'll be discussing it in #wikimedia-office from...now :P.
[21:58] <Tired> foks: Do you have snow?
[21:58] <Tired> Ironholds: Canadianas? :-D
[21:58] <foks> Not here
[21:58] <Ironholds> Tired: you can come too.
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[22:02] <SigmAway> foks: Thanks
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[22:04] <LL2|JedIRC> Ey
[22:04] <LL2|JedIRC> *hey
[22:04] <LL2|JedIRC> Doesn't meta have a irc channel?
[22:04] <Tired> LL2|JedIRC: #META
[22:05] <LL2|JedIRC> ...
[22:05] <LL2|JedIRC> No you idiot
[22:05] <LL2|JedIRC> I meant wikimedia meta-wiki
[22:07] <Gfoley4> It does.
[22:10] <EdSaperia> can someone remind me of the wikimania channel?
[22:10] <Gfoley4> #wikimania?
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[22:11] <kylu> since things come in threes, let's get the next one over and done with.
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[22:11] <kylu> there's a list of channels at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels
[22:12] <kylu> visit there first before asking kplsthx
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[22:14] <Pilif12p> why
[22:14] <Pilif12p> i kill -9 a process
[22:14] <Pilif12p> It is still living
[22:15] <Pilif12p> kill -9 cannot be blocked
[22:15] <Pilif12p> y u no die
[22:15] <EdSaperia> surprisingly not #wikimania
[22:15] <Seddon> EdSaperia: try again
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[22:16] <EdSaperia> huh, possibly I mistyped
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[22:26] <Pilif12p> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=planes+overhead
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[22:27] <LL2|JedIRC> > kill -9 kill
[22:27] <matt_buck> none >_<
[22:27] <LL2|JedIRC> Pilif12p:n ^
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[22:28] <LL2|JedIRC> Try that Pilif12p, see what happens
[22:28] <Pilif12p> LL2|JedIRC: try what/
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[22:28] <LL2|JedIRC> Try doing "kill -9 kill" in the console
[22:28] <Pilif12p> really?
[22:28] <Pilif12p> why would i do tha
[22:29] <Pilif12p> t
[22:29] <LL2|JedIRC> Er, the terminal
[22:29] <LL2|JedIRC> To see what happens
[22:29] <LL2|JedIRC> Inb4kernalpanic
[22:29] <Pilif12p> according to WolframAlpha I need to gain 59 pounds
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[22:34] <SigmaWP> Pizza's a vegetable???
[22:34] <Pilif12p> SigmaWP: yes
[22:34] <Pilif12p> old news is old
[22:34] <SigmaWP> Wikipedia's my news source.
[22:35] <Pilif12p> maybe openglobe should be
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[22:39] <geniice> wikipedia aparently doesn't think it is important that neutrinos are still going faster than the speed of light
[22:41] <SigmaWP> geniice: Neutrinos! They are very small and have no charge and have no mass and do not interact at all.
[22:41] <SigmaWP> From a poem I can't remember
[22:41] <geniice> they do have a mass
[22:43] <Jeske_Merensky> Which makes thou an ass.
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[22:52] <SigmaWP> Shit!
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[22:52] <Pilif12p> i just did
[22:52] <SigmaWP> !admin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/move
[22:52] <Pilif12p> omai
[22:53] <Pilif12p> SigmaWP needs to be blocked!
[22:53] <Logan_> hmmm
[22:53] <SigmaWP> :|
[22:53] <Pilif12p> but really
[22:54] <Pilif12p> someone should block him
[22:54] <Demiurge1000> on SamWiki, yes
[22:54] <Demiurge1000> Although I dunno if he has an account there
[22:54] <Demiurge1000> which makes him hard to block
[22:54] <Demiurge1000> can you pre-emptively block an account, like you can pre-emptively salt a page?
[22:55] <Logan_> I wonder which LTA that is
[22:55] <Logan_> "LCV is back!"
[22:55] <Logan_> who's LCV...
[22:55] <Logan_> oh, wait
[22:55] <SigmaWP> Revdel?
[22:56] <Logan_> old vandal
[22:56] <Fluffernutter> willy came back?
[22:56] <Logan_> from 2006...
[22:56] <Pilif12p> doubt it
[22:56] <Logan_> look
[22:56] <Logan_> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kross&dir=prev&offset=20060302013602&action=history
[22:56] <Logan_> and look:
[22:56] <Logan_> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kross&action=history
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�12[23:16] -eir- No results
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[23:16] <Sp33dyphil> hey Demiurge1000
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[23:17] <Sp33dyphil> sorry, I was watching a film
[23:17] <Demiurge1000> yes, hello
[23:17] <Sp33dyphil> Hope you didn't spend the whole time waiting for me
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[23:18] <Demiurge1000> No, not at all. I've been helping people in the help channel, participating in the office hours (second time in one day) in an only marginally disruptive manner, and trying to catch up on my watchlist
[23:19] <Sp33dyphil> Demiurge1000: do u think I can still improve on [[Sonora]]?
[23:19] <Demiurge1000> yes, I think you can
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�08[23:30] <derp> welcome back.
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[23:32] <Sp33dyphil> Anyone here called TCO?
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�08[23:32] <derp> TCO?
[23:32] <Sp33dyphil> derp: was that at me?
�08[23:32] <derp> yes
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[23:32] <Sp33dyphil> TCO: he's apparently retired
[23:32] <Logan_> Sp33dyphil: Pretty sure he doesn't go on IRC.
[23:33] <Sp33dyphil> Logan_ :) He went on a few weeks ago and talked to me under a different name
[23:33] <Logan_> I saw he commented on your editor review with an IP address.
[23:33] <Demiurge1000> RTV-evading sockpuppet, to be blunt :P
[23:33] <Logan_> Much like a certain person whose name starts with a J.
[23:33] <Sp33dyphil> Logan_ hmm? Do you watchlist the ER?
[23:34] <Logan_> No, I just saw it.
[23:34] <Sp33dyphil> Logan_ ah, so you were having a look through WP:ER?
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[23:34] <Logan_> Sure.
[23:35] <Sp33dyphil> Logan_ he's a great bloke; I miss his energy
[23:35] <Logan_> He was obnoxious at RfAs.
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�08[23:35] <derp> like me?
[23:35] <Sp33dyphil> What made him think I would go for RfA?
[23:36] <Logan_> derp: No, you're classy.
�08[23:36] <derp> I tend to transclude stuff in RFA's :P
[23:37] <Pilif12p> RFA's what?
[23:37] <Logan_> And insert zalgo text.
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[23:37] <Logan_> Pilif12p: Requests for-actuallyyouknowwhattheyaresobequiet.
�08[23:37] <derp> Logan_, my latest stint was to translucde a gif of jimbo wales peeking
[23:38] <Logan_> Sp33dyphil: Possibly SwisterTwister's mentioning of RfA in his response.
[23:38] <Pilif12p> derp gives rainbow supports
[23:38] <Logan_> derp: :P
[23:38] <Pilif12p> they're like, 4 supports
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�08[23:38] <derp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zalgo/Eh
[23:39] <Sp33dyphil> Logan_: since you've already had a look at my ER, mind having your comments written down?
[23:39] <Logan_> Yes.
[23:39] <Sp33dyphil> I'd really appreciate it
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�08[23:39] <derp> Altough i did my first XfD
[23:40] <Pilif12p> dammit jimbo! http://i.imgur.com/eoevN.png
[23:41] <Gfoley4> y'll should turn on ESPN
[23:41] <Pilif12p> no
�08[23:41] <derp> lol
�08[23:41] <derp> Pilif12p, wiN?
[23:42] <Logan_> Gfoley4: no
[23:42] <Gfoley4> Logan_: #2 team in the nation about to go down!
[23:43] <Pilif12p> Gfoley4: by ISU?!
[23:43] <Gfoley4> yes
[23:43] <Gfoley4> they just scored
[23:43] <Pilif12p> holy shit
[23:43] <Pilif12p> ISU isn't even good
[23:43] <Gfoley4> leading in OT
[23:43] <Pilif12p> they beat Iowa though
[23:43] <Gfoley4> (turn it on)
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[23:43] <Gfoley4> 31–24
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[23:44] <Pilif12p> i'm in hawkeye country and i'm going for them :P
[23:44] <Gfoley4> heh
[23:44] <Sp33dyphil> What sport is this?
[23:45] <Gfoley4> College football
�06[23:45] * Sp33dyphil doesn't get American Football
[23:45] <Sp33dyphil> :P
[23:45] <YE> daw
[23:45] <Pilif12p> neither do i
[23:45] <Pilif12p> you throw a ball
[23:45] <Pilif12p> and catch it
[23:45] <YE> American Football is awesome
[23:45] <Pilif12p> and throw it through some poles
[23:45] <Gfoley4> Pilif12p: yet you watch it?
[23:45] <Pilif12p> and then someone wins
[23:45] <Gfoley4> Pilif12p: no, kick it.
[23:46] <Gfoley4> "field goal"
�06[23:46] * Sp33dyphil hates how much ads take the attention away from the games themselves
[23:46] <Pilif12p> see, i don't get it
[23:46] <YE> :P
[23:46] <Gfoley4> Sp33dyphil: er, that's only in the Super Bowl
[23:46] <Sp33dyphil> no, that's the impression that I get for *every football game*
�08[23:46] <derp> ni ni darls <3
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[23:47] <Sp33dyphil> Nike, and the like
[23:47] <Pilif12p> Sp33dyphil: the ads are only on when there's nothing exciting happening
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