User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2011-10-28

Session Start: Fri Oct 28 08:28:15 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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[08:28] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
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�08[08:29] <lol> hello, darlings
[08:30] <foks> o/
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�08[08:33] * lol huggles foks tightly.
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[09:12] <Sven_Manguard> so who's around now?
[09:13] <foks> Depends what for. ;)
[09:15] <Sven_Manguard> foks: you a good copyeditor?
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[09:17] <foks> Not really
[09:18] <Sven_Manguard> Drat. If I show you an essay, can you tell me what you like/dislike about it, at least?
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[09:19] <foks> I suppose so
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[09:41] <DarkoNeko> zzz =_=
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[09:45] <Sven_Manguard> hey geniice
[09:45] <geniice> hello
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[10:20] <geniice> hmm I hadn't noticed the pic on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Compu-lang-stub before
[10:21] <Sven_Manguard> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2401#comic
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[10:37] <MGA73> Hi Sven_Manguard :-)
[10:37] <Sven_Manguard> Hello. We should talk in private. :S
[10:37] <MGA73> If you think it is needed....
[10:38] <MGA73> Oki that did not sound right :-o
[10:40] <wctaiwan> is hailsatan666 a disruptive username?
[10:41] <foks> Probably not
[10:41] <foks> Wait til they edit
[10:41] <Sven_Manguard> not really
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[10:42] <wctaiwan> they've edited, but okay I'll leave it be.
[10:42] <wctaiwan> hey Hurricanefan25 :)
[10:42] <Hurricanefan25> Hey
[10:42] <Hurricanefan25> Anyone here willing to do a GA review for a GA review? I know I asked this yesterday though I'm too eager ;)
[10:42] <Beria> someone say fluff ?
[10:42] <Beria> or other adm? ;)
[10:43] <geniice> wctaiwan meh unless we are going to ban 13 year olds not much to be done
[10:43] <geniice> Beria?
[10:43] <Beria> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uncharted_3:_Drake%27s_Deception&diff=prev&oldid=457766355
[10:43] <Beria> that is his only edit
[10:43] <Beria> is not a bit too much a block in infinite?
[10:43] <geniice> well I wouldn't do it
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[10:43] <Beria> someone did :S
[10:43] <wctaiwan> geniice: I'm not personally bothered by it, I just noticed it.
[10:43] <Beria> can't you remove it or reduce it?
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[10:44] <geniice> welll in theory yes
[10:44] <Beria> but?
[10:45] <wctaiwan> heh, I thought something fudged up in Safari :)
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[10:46] <wctaiwan> odd, my Internet is horribly slow.
[10:47] <geniice> Beria politically complicated. I've left a note on the blocking admin's talk page
[10:47] <Beria> aff
[10:47] <Beria> wp policies
[10:47] <Beria> That is one of the reasons I love commons :D
[10:47] <Beria> if i don't like a block by other adm i revert :P
[10:47] <Beria>  no ones get hurt ;)
[10:48] <wctaiwan> we have the most outrageous incivility *and* the most frivolous disputes :P
�06[10:48] * Beria saw a link once about not change colours in templates
[10:49] <Beria> and i could not believe people actually fight for it
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[10:51] <Rover456> So Commons is a utopian paradise?
[10:52] <geniice> Beria well if I really don't like it I revert but well I got de-sysoped for that a few times
[10:53] <geniice> Rover456 hard to say. Personaly I just do what I like and no one objects. Or in most cases notices
[10:53] <wctaiwan> what? no BRD in sysop actions? :P
[10:53] <geniice> wctaiwan well B shouldn't happend and R is kinda risky
[10:53] <Sven_Manguard> Rover456: Commons is a utopian paradise in a distopian  novel
[10:53] <Sven_Manguard> i.e. it's a hate filled place where nothing works right
[10:54] <wctaiwan> geniice: I was mostly kidding. But okay.
[10:54] <geniice> wctaiwan the real problem is that [[WP:OWN]] doesn't apply to admin actions
[10:55] <wctaiwan> meh.
[10:56] <geniice> hmmp. Despite its size [[Wey and Arun Canal]] has just 5 citations
[10:56] <wctaiwan> I think the fact that wikipedia manages to have a management team (*not* WMF—I mean the people who do the general policing and mopping and telling people off) that has such deep disagreements and yet works fairly well is pretty miraculous.
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[10:58] <geniice> Well it helps that the "management team" really is "whichever experienced editors feel like it"
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[11:09] <Sven_Manguard> Ironholds! I've been waiting for you for... err... 8 hours.
[11:09] <foks> Yeah Ironholds, you suck!
[11:09] <foks> <3
[11:09] <wctaiwan> poor Sven_Manguard has been standing by the door and peeking out every other minute and drumming his finger against the coat hanger.
[11:09] <foks> :D
[11:10] <Sven_Manguard> Nah. I figured that he'd get around to giving me the quote because he'll want to impress his bosses
[11:10] <Ironholds> Sven_Manguard: oh, sorry!
[11:10] <Ironholds> Sven_Manguard: I can offer more than that, too! Feel like covering the launch of AFTV5's community process?
[11:10] <Sven_Manguard> Sure.
[11:10] <Sven_Manguard> BTW your absence gave me time to do other things, like catch up on three months of webcomic reading
[11:11] <wctaiwan> wait, so Sven = writing for Singpost?
[11:11] <Sven_Manguard> As of the next issue, yes
[11:11] <Ironholds> Sven_Manguard: nice!
[11:11] <wctaiwan> speaking of webcomics, /me checks squidi.net
[11:11] <wctaiwan> have fun with it.
[11:11] <foks> Ironholds being nice is quite unnerving if I'm honest
[11:11] <Sven_Manguard> I'll have two pieces in the Signpost on the 31st
[11:11] <Ironholds> Sven_Manguard: okay, so the survey data is looking really, really great; as of this quote we have *1013* responses
[11:11] <wctaiwan> :( still not here.
[11:11] <Sven_Manguard> Shit wow
[11:11] <Sven_Manguard> come into my office
[11:11] <Ironholds> sure; PM me?
�06[11:12] * foks makes it 1014
�06[11:12] * Sven_Manguard tazers foks for making the data obsolete :D
[11:13] <foks> ::
[11:13] <foks> :P
[11:13] <foks> Say "over a thousand", silly.
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[11:13] <wctaiwan> over 9000!!111 //obligatory
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[11:14] <foks> Ironholds, if I'm honest, the survey needs another option in the "how often do you..." bit
[11:14] <foks> Never / Sometimes / Frequently / Very Often
[11:14] <foks> What about "very rarely"
[11:14] <foks> Or something
[11:14] <foks> "sometimes" seems a bit too frequwnt
[11:14] <foks> I guess it's too late now. :P
[11:15] <Ironholds> foks: I'll take it into account for next time :)
[11:16] <foks> Cool
[11:16] <foks> :3
[11:19] <foks> done
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[11:36] <Sven_Manguard> hi/duck Logan
[11:36] <wctaiwan> It was super effective!
[11:36] <Sven_Manguard> good, because my copyeditor tells me I use too many commas, so I have some extras
[11:37] <Sven_Manguard> ... to throw at Logan
[11:37] <foks> :3
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[11:38] <Monty845> you can, never, use too many, commas
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[11:39] <Logan_> Ow.
�06[11:39] * Logan_ throws a whale at Sven_Manguard.
�06[11:39] * Sven_Manguard shoots it down midflight with commas
[11:39] <quanticle> But you can apparently use too many periods. Case in point, Monty845 appears to be fresh out of them.
[11:39] <Sven_Manguard> shredded
�06[11:40] * geniice throws a gravitational singularity at Sven_Manguard
[11:41] <quanticle> geniice: Weapons of mass destruction are strictly prohibited in this channel. :D
[11:41] <Logan_> Sven_Manguard: Abuse!
[11:41] <wctaiwan> [[gravitational singularity]]
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[11:41] <wctaiwan> too bad he isn't an admin eh Logan_? :P
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[11:41] <Logan_> wctaiwan: Apple sucks.
[11:41] <wctaiwan> ... physics :(
[11:42] <wctaiwan> ... and what?
[11:42] <wctaiwan> Logan_: if you want to troll Apple, you should do it to Addihockey. I'm hardly a fan of most of their practices or the company itself.
[11:42] <geniice> quanticle strangely our WMD page doesn't mention black holes
[11:42] <Logan_> Oh, okay.
[11:43] <wctaiwan> on the other hand if you start arguing that Taiwan is and has always been part of PRC since its founding... >_>
[11:43] <geniice> Taiwan is occupied british territory. End of.
[11:45] <quanticle> geniice: It doesn't, but it should. After all, what else can literally destroy mass?
[11:45] <wctaiwan> weapons are by definition *designed*, no?
[11:45] <quanticle> wctaiwan: Not necessarily.
[11:45] <quanticle> What about rocks?
[11:46] <wctaiwan> fair enough.
[11:46] <Ironholds> quanticle: rocks were designed!
[11:46] <quanticle> A gravitational singularity is a very very very big rock. :D
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[11:46] <wctaiwan> it still feels a bit off though. A large crane building a skyscraper has destructive powers. It is not a weapon.
[11:46] <geniice> quanticle hawking radiation. Oh and if the WIMP hypothesis is correct (it probably isn't) then planets can destroy mass
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[11:48] <quanticle> geniice: That's true, but the amount of informational distortion in Hawking Radiation is so great, it's probably the closest the universe will ever get to true mass destruction.
[11:48] <quanticle> So... close enough.
[11:48] <Ironholds> wctaiwan: okay, look
[11:49] <Ironholds> is a sword a weapon?
[11:49] <Sven_Manguard> can anyone hear me, or is my internet dead?
[11:49] <wctaiwan> It is, unless it is a prop.
[11:49] <Ironholds> is a sword a weapon even when it's being used to do constructive stuff?
[11:49] <wctaiwan> it's alive, Sven_Manguard
[11:49] <quanticle> Sven_Manguard: ack
[11:49] <SteveMobile> Sven_Manguard: Hey
[11:49] <Ironholds> Sven_Manguard: you're here
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[11:49] <SteveMobile> A while ago you were congratulating me on something
[11:49] <wctaiwan> Ironholds: okay, what about 'intended' or 'used' as a weapon.
[11:49] <SteveMobile> But I wasnt here
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[11:50] <SteveMobile> What was it :p
[11:50] <Sven_Manguard> )#*&@)(&#@)*
[11:50] <geniice> quanticle from the POV of the universe a Lorentzian traversable wormhole connecting to another universe would count
[11:50] <Qcoder00> HI Sven_Manguard
[11:50] <wctaiwan> a decorative sword is never used as a tool to harm, and thus it is not a weapon. A black hole has not been applied as a weapon, and thus there is no reason to believe it is one.
[11:50] <SteveMobile> Heh
[11:50] <geniice> wctaiwan we don't know that
[11:51] <wctaiwan> geniice: do you believe in God? (dangerous territory... but eh)
[11:51] <SteveMobile> Sven_Manguard: I am curious as to what you congratulated me for .p
[11:52] <Ironholds> wctaiwan: okay, used as a weapon
[11:52] <geniice> According to Norton's Star Atlas, there have been twenty fairly bright novae between 1899 and 1936. No less than five of them have been in one small area of the sky, in the constellation Aquila. There were two in a single year (1936), and the 1918 Nova Aquila was one of the brightest ever recorded.
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[11:52] <geniice> What's going on in this constellation? Why did 25 percent of the novae in a forty-year period appear in only 0.25 percent of the sky? Is the front line moving in our direction?
[11:52] <geniice> Arthur C. Clarke 1968
[11:52] <Ironholds> this means that a "weapon" is only a weapon some of the time
[11:52] <quanticle> geniice: True, but doesn't Hawking Radiation show that the black holes we have seen are not Lorentzian wormholes? In other words, would such a wormhole give off Hawking Radiation?
[11:52] <Ironholds> so, yes, anything can be a weapon, but only given certain circumstances or intentions
[11:53] <wctaiwan> Right, and since no intentions are known, we can't say they are.
[11:53] <SteveMobile> Paper clips can be used as weapons
[11:54] <geniice> quanticle we've never detected Hawking Radiation. as for Hawking Radiation and wormholes. maybe? http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9307181
[11:54] <SteveMobile> Well it depends. No one would say a gun isn't a weapon,
[11:54] <geniice> SteveMobile flare gun
[11:54] <wctaiwan> geniice: since I started the crap reasoning, I might as well finish it to avoid acting like a troll: If we default to "we don't know that," then we must necessarily believe in the existence of a deity until we know otherwise.
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[11:54] <SteveMobile> geniice: Heh
[11:55] <wctaiwan> which is fairly ridiculous (à Pascal's Wager and all that)
[11:55] <SteveMobile> geniice: Well if I shot a flare gun in your face...
[11:55] <SteveMobile> Probably a weapon :p
[11:56] <geniice> wctaiwan eh I was referencing the possibility of non humans using black holes as weapons. Comes up in sci-fi from time to time. I've been reading use of weapons again see
[11:56] <wctaiwan> Ah.
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[11:58] <geniice> although I admit there are no dirrect references to the culture using black holes as weapons
[11:59] <wctaiwan> Death star?
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[11:59] <wctaiwan> wait no
[11:59] <wctaiwan> Dr. Device.
[11:59] <wctaiwan> that's effectively a black hole.
[12:01] <geniice> thats ender's game
[12:01] <wctaiwan> yeah.
[12:02] <geniice> there are references to controlled singularities in the culture universe and the Idirans did make a couple of stars go nova so there is no reason to think the culture can't use black holes as weapons
[12:02] <geniice> perhaps people are too good at defending agaist them
[12:03] <Hedgehog456> I fear that I have died and gone to heaven.
[12:03] <wctaiwan> oh, I didn't realise you're talking about a specific universe.
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[12:03] <wctaiwan> also, zh's RfA is hilarious: "Oppose: This person has too much of an agenda and we must never let him be an admin. The consequences are unimaginable. I have evidence to prove that he's a spy of the Chinese Communist Party. All his work on Wikipedia is intelligence activity. We must be careful."
[12:03] <geniice> wctaiwan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture
[12:03] <SteveMobile> There's an Rfa
[12:03] <wctaiwan> on zh :P
[12:04] <wctaiwan> (where it seems to remain fairly no-big-deal)
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[12:05] <SteveMobile> Heh
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[12:05] <SteveMobile> Well duh
[12:05] <SteveMobile> Id oppose too
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[12:06] <SteveMobile> Commies are evil :p
[12:06] <Sven_Manguard> I can destroy mass with my mind.... beat that!
[12:06] <geniice> wctaiwan given http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party the accusation is not unreasonable
[12:07] <wctaiwan> geniice: doubtful, we're dealing with a wikipedian whose behaviour is policy-based enough to warrant adminship nominations, not someone commenting on forums and throwing around political opinions.
[12:08] <Sven_Manguard> why do I think that there is massive lag on my end?
[12:08] <wctaiwan> there might be.
[12:08] <SteveMobile> Sven_Manguard: See pm :)
[12:09] <geniice> wctaiwan I think the 50 cent party can be a bit more subtle than that
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[12:09] <wctaiwan> if their behaviour is the model of a good wikipedian... why the hell not? :D
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[12:12] <geniice> because the chinese government is the enemy (well one of them)
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[12:16] <SteveMobile> Yea
[12:16] <SteveMobile> They are
[12:16] <Sven_Manguard> yep. I wrote the message at 00:08, all of your responses came in at 00:15
[12:16] <Sven_Manguard> crap
[12:16] <Sven_Manguard> I have massive lag and lose power (and thus internet) in 15 minutes
[12:17] <foks> :(
[12:17] <wctaiwan> just as well, since you're lagging so badly.
[12:17] <foks> How are you so precise?
[12:17] <foks> :(
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[12:17] <Sven_Manguard> SteveMobile: you were promoted from SPI trainee to full SPI clerk
[12:18] <SteveMobile> Ah
[12:18] <SteveMobile> Lol, that :p
[12:18] <SteveMobile> Thanks :p
[12:19] <SteveMobile> It's Foks
[12:19] <foks> ?
[12:19] <foks> What about me?
[12:19] <SteveMobile> That's my way of saying hello :p
[12:20] <Sven_Manguard> right, so goodnight everyone. I can't hear you. Hopefully tommorow my internet will be less shitty. Night.
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[12:20] <SteveMobile> Heh
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[12:23] <geniice> good news. Bankers don't want my job
[12:23] <geniice> http://i.imgur.com/5KhXK.jpg
[12:24] <geniice> used to getting up at 5am? I mean duded I can have put in a full days work by that point
[12:24] <geniice> retire at 50? who the heck retires?
[12:25] <quanticle> geniice: Haha, I saw that too. I'm of the opinion that it is an exceptionally well crafted troll.
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[12:26] <Qcoder00> Hedgehog456:  Ping?
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[12:27] <geniice> quanticle perhaps. but there is something of a valid argument there. One of the problems with the banking sector is that it strips the really smart people from other sectors of the economy
[12:28] <quanticle> geniice: To be honest, I don't really think that bankers are all that intelligent. Have you read any Nouriel Roubini?
[12:28] <geniice> quanticle it used to be that all the great minds got dragged off the build nuclear weapons. Now they mess up our economy.
[12:28] <Hedgehog456> Qcoder00: Pong?
[12:28] <geniice> quanticle the numbers of them with 1sts in things like maths suggests otherwise
[12:29] <quanticle> geniice: Right, but that doesn't mean they're talented at being bankers. If you read Fooled By Randomness, you'll see that there is a compelling case to be made that a lot of them are merely very lucky.
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[12:30] <geniice> well statisticaly someone has to be
[12:30] <geniice> however that doesn't change the fact that every year we lose a significant number of very good say engineers to banking
[12:30] <Qcoder00> Hedgehog456:  Who is Meryside History thing coming along?
[12:30] <Qcoder00> How
[12:30] <Hedgehog456> Qcoder00:
[12:30] <Hedgehog456> sorry
[12:30] <Hedgehog456> mistype
[12:30] <Hedgehog456> well
[12:30] <Qcoder00> I thought I'd check back periodicallY :)
[12:30] <Hedgehog456> should be finished by tomorrow night ;)
[12:31] <Qcoder00> Great
[12:31] <quanticle> geniice: I agree. In theory that would raise the salary that engineers can charge, eventually allowing them to reach parity with bankers in terms of compensation. In practice, it doesn't tend to work out like that.
[12:31] <geniice> quanticle throw in the number who do law for the money and the bits of our economy that actually build stuff and create new technologies are increasingly left with the merely good.
[12:32] <Qcoder00> Can we please not bring the Occupy <foo> political disscussions in here?
[12:32] <quanticle> geniice: I
[12:32] <quanticle> geniice: I'm not sure about that, to be honest.
[12:32] <quanticle> geniice: I scored in the 95th percentile on the LSAT, but I'm a programmer :/
[12:32] <quanticle> Lawyers actually don't make all that much.
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[12:32] <Ironholds> I return!
[12:33] <geniice> 95th isn't that high
[12:33] <geniice> I'm talking about the 99.9th
[12:33] <geniice> heck 1in20 will be 95th.
[12:35] <quanticle> geniice: There are practicing lawyers out there who scored at the 85th percentile.
[12:35] <geniice> quanticle while it's true that there are a lot of lawyers that don't make that much its in the top 3 degrees for earning potential (the others are medicine and accouting)
[12:35] <mabdul|ping> Qcoder00: is there a tag for images that don't have an information template? (free images, nonfree); I'm too lazy to check the syntax...
[12:35] <quanticle> geniice: Where are you getting your statistics from?
[12:35] <quanticle> Law isn't top 3.
[12:35] <Qcoder00> Mabdul : Depending on the lack of information {{missing description}}
[12:35] <Qcoder00> may be what you are looking for
[12:36] <mabdul|ping> Qcoder00: and what happens if it has a description but not well designed? (not using a template) XD
[12:36] <Qcoder00> Other than that there is NO requirment that the details on an Image description page be in any conformant  presentation
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[12:36] <geniice> quanticle that one came from a I think it was the times article on a survey of degree and gender vs earning potential that I saw back in my uni days. That law was one of the top was one of the more memorable ones along with the fact that some degree that increased a women's earning potential decreased a man's
[12:36] <Ironholds> hey Hedgehog456
[12:36] <Hedgehog456> *plays the bugle badly
[12:36] <mabdul|ping> and why hasn't twinkle this in? XD
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[12:37] <Hedgehog456> in fact, *plays the bugle so badly that the entire population within a few miles die mysteriously
[12:37] <Hedgehog456> hi Ironholds
[12:37] <Ironholds> geniice: the BA in Hooking probably swayed the results, however
[12:37] <Ironholds> there isn't an equivalent gigalo qualification yet
[12:37] <mabdul|ping> Qcoder00: thanks, that template will helpful...
[12:37] <Qcoder00> Ironholds: I didn't think Female rugby players existed?
[12:37] <Qcoder00> XD
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[12:37] <Ironholds> actually, my boarding school had a female hook
[12:37] <geniice> Ironholds wasn't listed. Basicaly art lowered everyone's earning potential but education only lowered men's earning potential
[12:37] <quanticle> geniice: There's also the fact that Law is a graduate degree, while the statistics I've looked at speak to undergraduate degrees.
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[12:38] <Qcoder00> Besides wouldn;t hooking be more appropriate as a City & Guilds qualifcation...?
[12:38] <geniice> quanticle is this US or UK you are looking at>?
[12:38] <Qcoder00> City and Guilds in ' Hostess Provision'  ?
[12:38] <Qcoder00> XD
[12:38] <quanticle> geniice: US.
[12:38] <geniice> quanticle ah yes I was looking at UK figures
[12:39] <Ironholds> Joanna McDonald
[12:39] <Ironholds> used to smash the hell out of the opposition
[12:39] <geniice> quanticle I understand that the US has mroe fo a glut of lawyers
[12:39] <quanticle> Ah, okay. You lot might be different. As I understand it, Law is an undergraduate degree there is it not?
[12:39] <Ironholds> geniice: no, we're far more glutted
[12:39] <Ironholds> quanticle: undergraduate followed by vocational courses out the ass
[12:39] <geniice> quanticle it's complicated
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[12:40] <Qcoder00> Ironholds: Actually, Ironholds  I don't see why people couldn't get a qualification on how to run a brothel if it was legalised...
[12:40] <Qcoder00> ;)
[12:41] <Ironholds> Qcoder00: I'm sure there'd be certification awarded by the Madams' Union
[12:41] <Ironholds> BTEC level 3 in hygene :P
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[12:41] <Hedgehog456> I think I've died.
[12:42] <Hedgehog456> (this may either be an interesting philosophical statement or a joke, depending on who you are)
[12:42] <geniice> Ironholds glutted with people with law degrees perhaps. Actual lawyers less so
[12:42] <Qcoder00> I wuold prefer it if it was some kind of Guild thing... 'Worshipful Guild of Professional Hostess and Preference Operators' ?
[12:42] <Ironholds> geniice: no, glutted with lawyers.
[12:42] <Ironholds> the US has just over 1 million lawyers for 300 million people; 1:300 ratio
[12:42] <geniice> Qcoder00 Seamstresses
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[12:43] <Qcoder00> geniice: Huh?
[12:43] <Hedgehog456> Qcoder00: 'Grand and Most Exalted Order of the Honourable Women of Argentary Passion'?
[12:43] <Ironholds> we have 130,000 for 40 million. It's approximately the same.
[12:43] <geniice> Qcoder00 traditional nominal profession
[12:43] <Hedgehog456> Maybe *Ladies
[12:43] <Qcoder00> Hedgehog456:  You do know what Livery Companies are?
[12:43] <Ironholds> geniice: it's 1:300 and 1:307. Not a massive distinction.
[12:44] <Hedgehog456> Qcoder00: I have a blurry idea, unless it's some sort of euphemism
[12:44] <geniice> Ironholds so we've caught up? oh dear
[12:44] <Ironholds> geniice: not really, this is five year old data
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[12:44] <Ironholds> hang on, I'll look for an update
[12:44] <Ironholds> (note, this is just england and wales)
[12:44] <Qcoder00> I mean if you leaglised sex-workers,  I am sure they would have a livery company in the City of London, given the role they play in keeping the City going XD
[12:45] <Hedgehog456> :)
[12:45] <geniice> hmm can we legalise hunting lawyers with dogs?
[12:45] <Hedgehog456> geniice: if you want
[12:45] <Qcoder00> Of course my use of the term 'Preference Operator' is a polite wording for the provisers of all kinds of kinky shit Bankers do off company time ;)
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[12:46] <Ironholds> geniice: 118,000 solicitors, around 32,000 barristers. Lets say 150,000 in total
[12:46] <Ironholds> (that's actually undercounting it by several thousand)
[12:46] <Hedgehog456> Ironholds: it'd keep the dogs fed well then
[12:46] <Ironholds> that's a 1:266 ratio
[12:46] <Hedgehog456> and give the dog owners lots of healthy exercise
[12:46] <Ironholds> we're *more glutted* than the US
[12:47] <Hedgehog456> reducing heart disease for everyone
[12:47] <geniice> Ironholds so what you are saying is we need to start handing out free condoms around the inns of court?
[12:47] <Ironholds> geniice: no, barristers are fine. Lets just hunt personal injury lawyers
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[12:47] <Ironholds> the number of solicitors has gone up 35 percent over the last 30 years
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[12:48] <Ironholds> meanwhile the population increase rate has been 10 percent
[12:48] <Ironholds> and this is why we should hunt down solicitors like dogs!
[12:48] <Hedgehog456> foxes.
[12:48] <Hedgehog456> we don't hunt dogs, we hunt with dogs, Ironholds.
[12:48] <Ironholds> Hedgehog456: maybe you do. I hunt dogs directly.
[12:48] <Ironholds> it's cutting out the middle man, and also the achilles
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[12:49] <geniice> Hedgehog456 heh foxhunting is largely ongoing due to the shear number of foxhunting lawyers onhand to help them dance on the edge of the law
[12:49] <Hedgehog456> Hunt the foxhunting lawyers!
[12:49] <Hedgehog456> Hunt them all down!
[12:49] <Ironholds> no, PI lawyers are a greater threat
[12:49] <Ironholds> and also more useless. I know, I used to work for some.
[12:49] <Ironholds> It would be improper of me to identify the feckless, useless, incompetent and borderline negligent tossmongers directly
[12:50] <geniice> Ironholds hmm so next time someone asks me if I've had an accident in the last 3 years (no I always look like this) I should give them a condom?
[12:50] <Ironholds> so I'll just say they were Accident Lawyers who did things Directly
[12:50] <geniice> or is that sexual harassment?
[12:50] <Ironholds> actually, that's too obvious. Lets abbreviate it. ALD.
[12:50] <Qcoder00> Accidents Direct sounds more like a terror group...
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[12:50] <Ironholds> geniice: that is :P
[12:50] <Hedgehog456> Qcoder00: PI lawyers are a terror group
[12:51] <Hedgehog456> they terrorise the population with their bad adverts
[12:51] <Ironholds> ahh, Marianne finally made her way out of that awful firm! Excellent
[12:51] <Ironholds> oh, and she got engaged! lovely
[12:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hedgehog456 so are terrorists PI lawyers?
[12:52] <geniice> see one of the things I'm thankful for is that every job I've had has at least mildly made the world a better place
[12:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds I engeged the enemy today
[12:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it wasnt merry
[12:52] <Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: fun!
[12:52] <Ironholds> geniice: ditto!
[12:52] <Ironholds> well, hmn. lesse.
[12:52] <Ironholds> on the one hand, Wikimedia Foundation, improving the sum of etc etc etc
[12:52] <Ironholds> on the other, working for part of the now-Coalition government.
[12:53] <geniice> harmless
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[12:53] <Ironholds> in that case I guess I come out trumps
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[12:54] <geniice> or I suppose it has allowed David Cameron to have outbreaks of sanity that he has been able to blame on the lib dems which his back benches are apparently stupid enough to believe
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[12:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice if the doctor finds himself editing wikipedia, what would be his first edit?
[12:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Could David Cameron be an alien?
[12:55] <Ironholds> geniice: like keeping the HRA?
[12:55] <Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: the shiny forehead does raise suspicions
[12:56] <Ironholds> I really need to get WMUK to approve that microgrant. I have a series of FAs to write, dammit!
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[13:01] <geniice> Ironholds among others. I think ken clarke is in the cabinet for much the same reason. Well that and to give clegg someone to talk to
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[13:01] <geniice> Ironholds trying to get them to buy a book?
[13:02] <Ironholds> geniice: three
[13:02] <Ironholds> the cumulative total is around 250 quid
[13:02] <Ironholds> in exchange for 250 quid, I can write a featured article on the Statute of Anne
[13:02] <Ironholds> (and also the Copyright Act 1842 and a few other things)
[13:03] <foks> [[WP:PAID]]!
[13:03] <foks> D:
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[13:04] <Ironholds> hah!
[13:04] <geniice> hmm perhaps I should put in an application for a complete set of warship anuals
[13:04] <Ironholds> Maryana: congratulations, you have drawn the ire of Chzz
[13:04] <geniice> would be of use for operation majestic titan
[13:04] <quanticle> Oh god, I'm drinking tea.
[13:04] <Maryana> heh. was that really ire?
[13:04] <Maryana> it's not ire until there's a thread on foundation-l about me
[13:05] <Ironholds> Maryana: he's been ire-y at me about it. "They're doing a/b testing on a thousand pages WITHOUT ASKING FOR CONSENSUS"
[13:05] <Fluffernutter> oh, do we hate Maryana today? *scurries off to start vituperative thread*
[13:05] <Ironholds> "well, they have checked with people, and given the number of IPs that's hardly a substantial number"
[13:05] <Ironholds> *noticeable silence*
[13:05] <geniice> quanticle whats wrong with that? the drink of working men
[13:06] <quanticle> geniice: Maybe over there.
[13:06] <Ironholds> see, I've had a thread on Foundation-l, but it was to announce me being <s>paid</s> made a contractor, so it doesn't really count
[13:06] <quanticle> Here tea is the drink of effete wanna-be Europeans.
[13:06] <geniice> europeans don't drink tea do they?
[13:06] <Maryana> ironholds: we haven't done a single test without asking for consensus. it wasn't ire -- he was just misinformed.
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[13:06] <geniice> I'm sure they drink coffee over there
[13:07] <Ironholds> Maryana: misinformed ire, then ;p. he was a wee bit testy with me. I think he's cooled his jets, though.
[13:07] <quanticle> geniice: They don't, but these are Americans we're talking about. We think anything east of Boston is "socialist Europe"
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[13:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> <Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: the shiny forehead does raise suspicions
[13:07] <Maryana> we really need to hold an office hours
[13:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its a shiny Cameron?
[13:07] <geniice> quanticle the english drink tea. Not sure about the scots
[13:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> where is my pokeball?
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[13:07] <Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: oh groan
[13:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wait
[13:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> britball?
[13:07] <Ironholds> Maryana: schedule it! Just don't do what I did and confuse GMT with UTC
[13:08] <Ironholds> I had to confuse them *three days* before they unify.
[13:08] <quanticle> Ironholds: There's a difference?
[13:08] <Maryana> heh :)
[13:08] <Ironholds> quanticle: at the moment, we're on daylight savings
[13:08] <Ironholds> this means we are an hour off
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[13:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds uk should use GMT+12 to fuck with everyone
[13:08] <Ironholds> this means that Howie and Fabrice turn up at the time allotted to them, an hour before everyone else, and then have to leave for a meeting
[13:09] <Ironholds> this means I end up hosting 2 hours and 20 minutes of office hours, the last hour and a half on my own :p
[13:09] <geniice> ToAruShiroiNeko the last and only funmny pokemon joke http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/739
[13:09] <Ironholds> (although it was great fun, and a lot of users were really enthusiastic about the AFTV5. But it was very draining.)
[13:09] <quanticle> GMT varies with daylight savings time? I thought that was yet another timezone overlaid on the British isles (BST?). I thought the difference between GMT and UTC was leap seconds.
[13:09] <Ironholds> GMT is our time. You can tell, it's Greenwich Mean Time
[13:09] <Maryana> daylight savings is a tool of oppression by the capitalist overlords
[13:09] <Ironholds> in London, even the temporal flow is a mean bastard.
[13:09] <Maryana> (i'm trying to get into my halloween costume... i'm going as the iron curtain)
[13:10] <geniice> Ironholds Cameron wants to perminantly de-unify them
[13:10] <quanticle> Maryana: Sounds... heavy.
[13:10] <Maryana> quanticle: tin foil! :D
[13:10] <Ironholds> Maryana: strictly speaking that's not an iron curtain, then :P
[13:11] <quanticle> So you're not properly an Iron Curtain, then, are you. You're a tin (or more probably aluminum) curtain.
[13:11] <quanticle> :D
[13:11] <Ironholds> man, is it halloween already?
[13:11] <quanticle> Halloween is on Monday.
[13:11] <Ironholds> time to engage in the annual ceremonial Egging of the House
[13:11] <Maryana> no, see, that's very soviet. our five-year plan was iron... but we had to settle for tin foil.
[13:11] <Ironholds> oh, it's a Monday? FANTASTIC
[13:11] <quanticle> Whose house, Ironholds?
[13:11] <Ironholds> see, ten years ago, my little brother wandered on to my neighbour's lawn
[13:11] <quanticle> Maryana: Haha... that's brilliant.
[13:12] <Ironholds> the neighbour came out and screamed at him, making my brother burst into tears
[13:12] <Ironholds> this vexed me. Only I get to make my brother cry.
[13:12] <Ironholds> so every year for the last ten years on Halloween I have pelted his house with eggs and lumps of lard
[13:12] <Ironholds> taking particular care to hit his prized BMW, which he gets waxed and shined....every Monday :D
[13:12] <Ironholds> Silly bastard still hasn't worked out who does it.
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[13:13] <quanticle> Ironholds: Haha. Nice.
[13:13] <quanticle> No toilet paper?
[13:13] <Maryana> quanticle: thanks! and cheap :)
[13:13] <Ironholds> toilet paper on a freshly shined beemer doesn't have the same (groan) impact as egg yolk
[13:14] <Ironholds> presumably I will eventually grow into a mature human being and stop punishing people for being dicks a decade ago, but that day has yet to arise.
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[13:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[13:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> POV cameras, pov pushers?\
�06[13:17] * Ironholds never really goes out on halloween. Something to do with having a social circle that mostly lives up to 9,000 miles away.
[13:17] <Demiurge1000> Hmm, so every time I see the Daily Mail interviewing some poor old pensioner about how yobs (mostly young) are out of control and pelting their house with eggs, and the govt needs to bring back capital punishment, conscription, and public logging, I'll realise... it's not actually yobs (mostly young), it's just Ironholds being a bit over-obsessive
[13:17] <Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: different things, alas
[13:17] <Ironholds> Demiurge1000: no, just one person, and he's in his early 50s!
[13:18] <Ironholds> also, public logging? They'll tie me to treetrunks? BARBARIC
[13:18] <pakaran> hmm
[13:18] <Demiurge1000> Yeah but do you think the Daily Mail bother to fact-check ages and pension eligibility, or to interview more than one person in order to establish a "worrying trend"? :)
[13:18] <Ironholds> and before anyone starts going "ooh, you work for the Foundation nao, you should be more mature"
[13:18] <pakaran> i loved the daily mail's article about the "dangerous cult of emo"
[13:19] <Hedgehog456> Ironholds: They'll tie you to treetrunks, hang you, and then conscript you in the army.
[13:19] <Ironholds> Maryana is older than me and is dressing up for halloween in a shitton of tinfoil, apparently. I didn't realise adults still trick or treated ;p
[13:19] <Demiurge1000> I think they usually do it the other way round. Hanging first.
[13:19] <pakaran> (which, among other things, said that self-harm was a cult membership ritual, and the MCR song "black parade" was about a place where emos think they go when they die)
[13:19] <Ironholds> pakaran: it IS dangerous
[13:19] <Ironholds> it can seriously damage your ability to listen to or appreciate good music
[13:20] <pakaran> lol.
[13:20] <quanticle> Ironholds: No, no, toilet paper on the lawn.
[13:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> pakaran emos will die
[13:20] <pakaran> ok i need to get going
[13:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> just like non emos
[13:20] <quanticle> Once the morning dew hits it, it gets very soft
[13:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we all will die
[13:20] <Ironholds> quanticle: they've got a driveway, it doesn't really work. We're suburban Londonites! Drive or lawn, not both.
[13:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds how about lawn in the car on the driveway?
[13:21] <Ironholds> that sounds...confusing, actually
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[13:22] <Maryana> ironholds: 27 is the new 17!
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[13:22] <Ironholds> Maryana: by that logic I'm 10
[13:23] <Ironholds> also, over here...17 year olds don't trick or treat either ;p
[13:23] <Ironholds> try "seven year olds, with their parents"
[13:23] <geniice> getting closer to 1600 volumes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_in_volumes
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[13:25] <geniice> Ironholds no offence but you are way to young to act mature
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[13:25] <Ironholds> geniice: this is true. I mean, you're really old, and still immature ;p
[13:26] <geniice> I'll grow up when I'm dead. Even then only maybe
[13:26] <Ironholds> amen!
[13:26] <Ironholds> I've never understood the idea of "formative years". EVERY year is formative, if you're doing it right
[13:26] <Ironholds> find me a person who stops learning and changing at the age of 18 and you will be finding me someone dead inside.
[13:27] <geniice> in practical terms the last major changes to the brain probably finish somewhere around 15
[13:28] <Ironholds>  argh, bloody fireworks
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[13:30] <petan> Maryana: you know czech rep. huh
[13:31] <Ironholds> anyway, I have to take my grandmother out for dinner. I'll be back in a couple of hours.
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[13:33] <Maryana> petan: i'm ukrainian, and i was kind of obsessed with czech culture in college
[13:33] <petan> aha
[13:33] <Maryana> and, uh, maaabye still am :)
[13:33] <Maryana> *maaaybe
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[13:34] <Maryana> i know more about the plastic people of the universe than is healthy :)
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[13:34] <petan> I don't...
[13:34] <petan> :)
[13:36] <Maryana> haha, yeah, it's funny. kind of like how most americans these days don't know about frank zappa
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[13:39] <mabdul|ping> Ocaasi: -_- seniour project XD
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[13:43] <geniice> czechoslovakia is a faraway country about which we know little
[13:44] <Maryana> geniice: heh, so far away that it doesn't exist anymore :)
[13:45] <foks> [[Eurovision Song Contest 1983]]
[13:45] <foks> Someone check the history for that pleasE :P
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[13:55] <geniice> in what sense?
[13:56] <foks> But of a long-term editwar
[13:57] <foks> uh, *bit
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[13:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> foks you mean czech the history?
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[14:00] <foks> hah
[14:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there will be czech jokes for the next month.
[14:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> czech users will rejoice
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[14:02] <foks> Wikinews, by the way, is an actual joke
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[14:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> foks wiki news is real
[14:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its a faaake!
[14:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its real!
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[14:51] <iPhoneee> Does anyone speak french and english please :) ?
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[14:56] <mabdul|afk> iPhoneee: english, what's the problem?
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[14:56] <mabdul|afk> iPhoneee: you also might check #wikipedia-en and wikipedia-fr
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[15:11] <Peter-C> WOOT
[15:11] <Peter-C> alyxuk_
[15:11] <alyxuk_> yo
[15:11] <Peter-C> I got myself a Magnum Softshell and a pair of socks
[15:11] <Peter-C> Jelly alyxuk_?
[15:11] <alyxuk_> maybe a little
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[15:12] <Peter-C> Did you brits get the Softshell yet?
[15:12] <Peter-C> It is AMAZING from what I hear!
[15:12] <alyxuk_> i got a 60 bgd, you jelly Peter-C ?
[15:12] <alyxuk_> (im on a remote terminal which is shit slow right now, typing is hard)
[15:12] <alyxuk_> a 60 bad*
[15:12] <alyxuk_> ffs...
[15:12] <alyxuk_> i fixed the typing in that sentence like 10 times
[15:13] <Peter-C> ?
[15:13] <Peter-C> 60 bad?
[15:13] <Peter-C> lulwut
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[15:15] <Hedgehog456> Welcome back, Ironholds!
[15:15] <Ironholds> yo
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�08[15:16] Clones detected from wikipedia/Fluffernutter:�8 Fluff|away Fluffernutter
[15:16] <Hedgehog456> Hello Fluffernutter
[15:16] <Fluffernutter> hiya
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[15:18] <Peter-C> Fluffernutter - I hate you
[15:19] <Fluffernutter> k
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[15:19] <Hedgehog456> Peter-C: heretic!
[15:19] <Peter-C> You weren't here so I thought it was a good idea to buy a 100 dollar jacket
�06[15:19] * Hedgehog456 unsheathes sword from scabbard
[15:19] <Peter-C> Fluffernutter - how can you be my moral compass if you are not always here >:(
�06[15:19] * Hedgehog456 beheads Peter-C the British way
[15:19] <Peter-C> :(
[15:20] <Fluffernutter> Peter-C: whatever it is you want to do, it's bad. Don't do it.
�06[15:20] * ToAruShiroiNeko puts a magnet on Peter-C's morality compas
[15:20] <Peter-C> Fluffernutter - the best part is it has 4 compartments for gun magazines
[15:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Peter-C hmm
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[15:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why cant you put computer magazines into those compartments?
[15:21] <Hedgehog456> However, if you want to help me with my Save the Union campaign, it's good, and acceptable for your moral compass.
[15:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> save the reunion
[15:21] <Peter-C> ToAruShiroiNeko - I probably will do that! xD
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[15:24] <Hedgehog456> If you do not help me Save the Union [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Ffr1U7KMY this] will happen to you :P
[15:26] <closedmouth> YOU WON'T GET IT
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[15:26] <YE> omg
[15:28] <closedmouth> Hedgehog456: i hope you've actually watched the show and you're not basing your references to it off youtube clips
[15:29] <Hedgehog456> closedmouth: of course not, that would be disgraceful
[15:29] <Hedgehog456> in fact, I'm just a Rover fanboy. I ADMIT IT, I HAVE POSTERS OF HIM :P
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[15:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hedgehog456 posters?
[15:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not preters?
[15:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> post is old
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�06[15:34] * Hedgehog456 stares guiltily at the floor
[15:34] <closedmouth> tenuous
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[15:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Hedgehog456 why so stare the floor?
[15:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what has the floor done to you!?
�06[15:35] * ToAruShiroiNeko pets the floor
[15:36] <Hedgehog456> The floor swallowed me a few weeks ago.
[15:36] <Hedgehog456> Since then I have bore a deadly vengeance.
[15:36] <Peter-C> OMG my teacher <3's me! :D
[15:37] <Hedgehog456> I hope it's strictly platonic, Peter-C.
[15:37] <Peter-C> Of course
[15:37] <Hedgehog456> Good.
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[15:39] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish: Ping
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[15:40] <Ironholds> tommorris, poke
[15:40] <BarkingFish> no, i haven't. i've been too busy. Sorry :)
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[15:41] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish :  I wasn't actually going to ask about that
[15:41] <BarkingFish> ah, just thought I'd put the doris stokes into action
[15:41] <BarkingFish> nvm
[15:42] <Qcoder00> Whose Doris Stokes?
[15:45] <BarkingFish> She was a medium, Qcoder00
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[15:46] <Qcoder00> As opposed to a large ?>
[15:46] <Qcoder00> XD
[15:46] <BarkingFish> although judging from looking at her, more like an XXXXXXXL+Tentpoles
[15:47] <Fluffernutter> did i just return in time for the lolfattiez jokes?
[15:47] <Hedgehog456> "For me, the closet door was jammed, a bucket was on it, and someone had put an armchair against it."
[15:47] <Hedgehog456> Fluffernutter: looks like it
�06[15:48] * Fluffernutter sighs
[15:48] <Hedgehog456> I think I'm putting on weight. :(
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�06[15:50] * Olipro immolates Hedgehog456
[15:50] <Olipro> you'll burn that fat right off!
�06[15:50] * Olipro waits for the groans
�06[15:50] * Hedgehog456 burns quite nicely, creating a warm orange flame
�06[15:50] * Hedgehog456 throws himself at the floor, rolling over it and swearing at it
�06[15:51] * Ty nukes #wikipedia-en in hopes of keeping everyone happy
[15:51] <Peter-C> I'm sexy and I know it
�06[15:51] * Hedgehog456 diverts the nuke towards the floor, which immediately is vapourised
�06[15:51] * Ty falls
[15:52] <Hedgehog456> Peter-C: generally other people have to know it if you want a chance in life
�06[15:52] * Hedgehog456 holds onto the walls
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[15:53] <Peter-C> :(
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[15:53] <Hedgehog456> Peter-C: we'll take your word for it
[15:53] <Hedgehog456> that way, everyone is happy
[15:53] <Hedgehog456> except for the floor
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[15:55] <Ironholds> quanticle, you busy?
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[15:55] <quanticle> Nope.
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[16:04] <Ironholds> quanticle: want to occupy your time with some light reading and reporting?
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[16:05] <Ironholds> quanticle: wait, it's been handled, nevermind
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�06[16:21] * BarkingFish rolls a couple of tumbleweeds through the channel for good measure
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�06[16:22] * Hedgehog456 makes a forlorn high-pitched whistling noise, like those used in Western films to precipitate the arrival of a cowboy
�06[16:23] * Peter-C glomps BarkingFish
[16:24] <BarkingFish> Peter-C, I'm too tired to be assed to glomp anyone, but hello :)
[16:24] <Peter-C> How's the head?
�06[16:24] * ToAruShiroiNeko stabs BarkingFish
[16:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> -20 HP
[16:24] <Peter-C> D:
[16:25] <BarkingFish> Peter-C, still not great, and to top it off, I broke one of my ribs yesterday too :(
[16:25] <Fluffernutter> o_O
[16:26] <Peter-C> JESUS CHRIST BARKINGFISH WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, ARE YOU GENETICALLY PRONE TO INJURY
[16:26] <Peter-C> >:(
[16:26] <Peter-C> :3
[16:26] <BarkingFish> Leaned over a skip at a recycling center to get my phone back that i'd dropped in, and put all 228lbs of my weight on my chest, as i leaned on the skip edge with my feet off the floor :)
[16:27] <BarkingFish> Peter-C, I don't think so, I'm just a clumsy asshole
[16:27] <Peter-C> Fluffernutter - wanna help me wrap BarkingFish in bubble wrap?
[16:27] <Fluffernutter> no
[16:27] <BarkingFish> awww
�03[16:27] * FAdmArcher|away is now known as DeltaQuad
[16:28] <BarkingFish> I could do with something, a foam rubber suit, sprung bumpers, or maybe just staying at home all day
[16:28] <BarkingFish> at least that way, I wouldn't injure myself outside :P
[16:28] <Peter-C> BarkingFish - Never move to America
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[16:28] <Peter-C> Heal insurence will NOT cover you
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[16:29] <Peter-C> *health
[16:29] <Hedgehog456> In Britain we get free healthcare.
[16:29] <BarkingFish> I'm insured anyhow, Peter-C - I can claim for treatment abroad when I get home.
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[16:29] <elmar283> Hello
[16:29] <BarkingFish> but I don't know if they'd cover me to live in the US
[16:30] <Peter-C> ^
[16:30] <elmar283> I'm trying to write an lemma on nl.wikipedia.org about [[memtest86]]. I'm translating the Enlgisch lemma.
[16:31] <Demiurge1000> elmar283: OK. But we say "article" instead of "lemma"
[16:31] <elmar283> But before I do that I would like to know what you think about that article
[16:31] <elmar283> ?
�06[16:31] * ToAruShiroiNeko stabs BarkingFish with an apple
[16:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> -3000 HP
[16:31] <elmar283> Demiurge1000: thanks
[16:32] <elmar283> For me it is hight tech
[16:32] <Hedgehog456> MAN 1: "An apple a day keeps the doctor away." MAN 2: *stops eating apple* "Oh damn, I need medical treatment."
[16:32] <elmar283> I'm a gentoo linux user, but I don't think it is wiki-readable
�06[16:32] * BarkingFish rams a baseball bat coated with epoxy resin and carpet tacks into ToAruShiroiNeko's "eye that never sees anything" :)
[16:33] <BarkingFish> -10000HP, you're eliminated.
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[16:33] <elmar283> Before I make an Dutch artikle, I would like tot make the Englisch one better
[16:34] <elmar283> Demiurge1000: I think article (artikel) would be a better word
[16:35] <Demiurge1000> yes
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[16:35] <Peter-C> BarkingFish - you won't live long with out a healthy fear of snakes
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[16:36] <BarkingFish> Peter-C, I don't mind snakes.  I quite like them, even the venomous ones (as long as they're behind glass)
[16:37] <BarkingFish> brb
�06[16:38] * ToAruShiroiNeko absorbs BarkingFish's attack and gains 50hp
[16:39] <elmar283> I would like te get input about [[memtest86]]
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[16:46] <Steven_Zhang> Panyd: You around?
[16:47] <Panyd> Steven_Zhang: I aaaam
[16:47] <Panyd> Whyyyy?
�06[16:47] * Peter-C glomps Panyd
�06[16:47] * Peter-C is never gonna give Panyd
�06[16:47] * Peter-C glares at TheCalvary
[16:48] <Steven_Zhang> Can you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Eric1985#Unblock_Request plz
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[16:50] <Steven_Zhang> :-)
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Session Close: Fri Oct 28 17:51:51 2011

Session Start: Fri Oct 28 17:51:51 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�11[17:51] * Disconnected
Session Close: Fri Oct 28 18:32:03 2011

Session Start: Fri Oct 28 18:32:39 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[18:32] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
�03[18:32] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks�'
�03[18:32] * Set by derp!~omg@bas7-montrealak-1128544932.dsl.bell.ca on Sun Oct 23 21:29:00
[18:32] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
[18:32] <jorm> yes.  we're aware of a possible conflation between this and Article Feedback, which is where such issues go.
�03[18:32] * derp is now known as douche
[18:32] <LauraHale> Oh good lord.
[18:33] <jorm> you guys have seen this, right? http://toolserver.org/~dartar/moodbar/
�08[18:33] * douche waves at LauraHale
[18:33] <LauraHale> I finally left them alone and they improved it.  I didn't seek to get them blocked.
[18:33] <Theo10011> You should.
[18:33] <LauraHale> They had [[WP:OWN]], [[WP:COPYVIO]] and [[WP:COI]] issues.
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[18:34] <Theo10011> [[WP:OMGWTFBBQ]]
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[18:34] <Ty> Yay bbq
[18:34] <Theo10011> I would have gotten them blocked Laura.
[18:35] <LauraHale> Theo10011: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sun_State_Roller_Girls
�03[18:35] * LauraHale is now known as Laura|Brekky
[18:35] <shimgray> wonder what went wrong on 9 September.
[18:35] <shimgray> ...or right on 5 October
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[18:36] <jorm> 1.18 was deployed on oct 5
[18:36] <Aranda56> hmm i wrote an RFA self-nomination last night 1200 words not including the questions :/
[18:36] <jorm> there was a moodbar fix deployed as well, and a UK banner ad test.
[18:36] <shimgray> interesting. 5 October (lots of +ve) is a large spike of one-edit users; 9 September is a spike of no-edit users.
[18:37] <shimgray> other groups unaffected.
[18:37] <jorm> isn't this data fascinating?
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[18:37] <shimgray> baffling!
[18:37] <shimgray> in its own special way
[18:39] <jorm> i expect the bump on sept 11 is because, you know. sept 11.
[18:39] <jorm> so people feel sad.
[18:39] <jorm> i'd love to get these graphs built into the dashboard directly, and allow you to instantly "jump" to those sections.
[18:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Theo10011 we need a [[WP:OMGWTFWMFBBQ]]
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[18:40] <Aranda56> 1200 words i need to explain my desysopping so :/
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[18:41] <matthewrbowker> Aranda56: :(
[18:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Aranda56 1200 isnt over 9000
[18:42] <matthewrbowker> OVER 9000!
[18:42] <Aranda56> who had a 9000 word RFA i forgot :/
[18:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> my next rfa will have over 9000 words
[18:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> OMG repeated 9000 times
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[18:43] <Aranda56> i remember someone RFA so long that people was opposing because it was too long
[18:43] <shimgray> jorm: it's Sep 9, though. Sep 11 went perfectly placidly.
[18:44] <shimgray> maybe someone was having fun trolling a little :-)
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[18:45] <Aranda56> i know my RFA is going to be a shitfest so
[18:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Aranda56 my rfa will be shittier
[18:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no one can OUT SHIT my rfa!
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[18:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> is shitfest like beer fest?
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[18:47] <tommorris> trolling? at RfA? I'm shocked!
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[18:47] <Aranda56> i probably going to get alot of opposes just because of my health
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[18:49] <Aranda56> lets play lets all try RFA at the same time :D
[18:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Aranda56 health?
[18:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you have health?
[18:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sell it on ebay and donate to foundaiton
[18:53] <jorm> so, i need to come up with a good name for something.
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[18:56] <Maryana_> jorm: animal, vegetable, or mineral?
[18:56] <jorm> a mobile skin.
[18:56] <jorm> my current codename is "athena"
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[18:57] <jorm> but i'm not sure that'll fly, long-term.
[18:57] <shimgray> is it better, worse, or just a different approach?
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[18:57] <shimgray> (if the latter, Minerva!)
[18:58] <Maryana_> enduring freedom?
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[18:59] <jorm> it's better.
[18:59] <jorm> sec.
[19:00] <jorm> http://elohim.gaijin.com/Athena-Mobile.png
[19:03] <shimgray> if you want to keep the greek theme but get some idea of a cover/skin/layer, etc, then "chiton" or "peplos" would work
[19:03] <Ironholds> what's wrong with athena?
[19:03] <shimgray> chiton is easier to pronounce.
[19:03] <Ironholds> goddess of knowledge. Seems clear enough.
[19:03] <shimgray> (for this reason alone I dismissed "chlamys")
[19:03] <shimgray> Ironholds: also, goddess of really really bad headaches
[19:03] <jorm> well, i like "Athena" because, you know, "goddess of wisdom"
[19:03] <jorm> but also "goddess of war"
[19:04] <Ironholds> jorm: Sophia?
[19:04] <Ironholds> personification of wisdom...and that's it.
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[19:04] <Ironholds> has some religious overtones, though
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[19:06] <Ironholds> or Socrates! He knows that he knows nothing ;p
[19:07] <semitones> is it ok to copy text from other wikis if they are encyclopedic
[19:08] <Ironholds> semitones: other Wikimedia wikis, only with attribution
[19:08] <Ironholds> however, it may not be reliable
[19:08] <jorm> heh. i majored in platonic philosophy.
[19:08] <Ironholds> and other wikis are not considered a reliable source
[19:08] <semitones> Ironholds: ah ok
[19:08] <Ironholds> jorm: you'll enjoy my kantian deontology joke in the email I sent through, then
[19:08] <semitones> semitones: i wanted to copy from last.fm, but i guess i can paraphrase in my own words too
[19:09] <jorm> ever read "Anathem"?
[19:09] <Ironholds> Stephenson? It's on my pile of to-read books, but fairly low down
[19:10] <shimgray> good for a single long flight
[19:10] <Ironholds> (in the way are "The Wealth of Networks", Lessig's "Free Culture" and a load of russian lit. I'll finish the pile eventually)
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[19:10] <shimgray> (leave it at the destination)
[19:11] <jorm> the reason i ask is that there's a long-running, super-subtle joke in the book.
[19:11] <Ironholds> oh?
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[19:11] <jorm> about platonic philosophy, and the "geometers".  and apparently i was the only person in the world to "get the joke"
[19:11] <Ironholds> hah. Nice!
[19:11] <jorm> one of my best friends is really good friends with neal, and told him my analysis, and neal was like, "yeah, that's dead on."
[19:11] <Ironholds> I've got free time this weekend, but am spending it at a hacking conference
[19:11] <Theo10011> Is that POS Seddon around?
[19:11] <Ironholds> Theo10011: nope
[19:12] <Ironholds> neither is Seddon
[19:12] <jorm> http://www.gaijin.com/2008/09/anathem-a-discussion/
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[19:13] <Ironholds> jorm: ever read Christian's "The Most Human Human"?
[19:15] <Theo10011> I need to talk to that piece of shit seddon,.
[19:15] <jorm> i have not.
[19:15] <Ironholds> Theo10011: well, as said, he's not here. Please stay civil.
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[19:16] <Theo10011> fuck off
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[19:16] <Ironholds> jorm: get it. Howie will recommend it to you if you don't :P. It's about the experiences of a comp sci and philosophy graduate who was selected to be one of the human competitors in the Turing Test competition, and what he learnt about "being human" from looking at previous events and the nature of dialogue
[19:16] <Ironholds> it's pretty fun
[19:17] <Ironholds> Theo10011: what's up? I can drop him a message if you want
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[19:18] <Theo10011> no, I'm sorry I'm just pissed about something with him.
[19:18] <Theo10011> I'd rather tell him myself.
[19:19] <Ironholds> okay, well if you're going to call him a piece of shit and tell people who interject to fuck off, please do so privately, not like this. He's not here right now - send him an email, leave him a memo, whatever.
[19:19] <Theo10011> Ok.
[19:19] <Theo10011> its all fine when you do it.
[19:19] <Theo10011> Now is the time to teach others about civility.
[19:19] <Theo10011> wonderful.
[19:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Theo10011 stop being uncivil
[19:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do something civil
[19:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont know what
[19:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmmm
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[19:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hold me the door or something
[19:21] <Ironholds> Theo10011, I've already explained to you how I'm trying to remain more civil. I think people like ToAruShiroiNeko can explain I've been making an effort.
[19:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> huggling isnt civil
[19:21] <mattbuck> disarm a bomb
[19:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds is fine
[19:22] <Ironholds> It's rather silly of you to criticise me for disliking meanness after repeatedly enjoining me not to be mean ;p
[19:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> really
[19:22] <Theo10011> You are Ironholds, just try and not be patronizing when others are genuinely angry.
[19:22] <Theo10011> I know you are making an effort.
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[19:22] <Ironholds> Theo10011: then try not to tell people to "fuck off"
�06[19:22] * ToAruShiroiNeko <3 Ironholds
[19:22] <Ironholds> he's not here. Whatever your beef with him, it's not going to be put to good use by shouting at people trying to calm it down. Go drop him a memo or something.
[19:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wut?
�06[19:23] * ToAruShiroiNeko is confused
[19:23] <Theo10011> that was in reaction to the patronizing advice from someone who used to call people cunts and threaten to stab them in the eye on an hourly basis.
[19:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you guys are serious?
[19:23] <Theo10011> Your own track record doesn't go away either.
[19:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> play nice
[19:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or I WILL cry
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[19:24] <Ironholds> Theo10011: yes; key word is used to. I'm not saying it should go away, but neither should it be used to judge peoples future actions when they've made a good attempt to change. Now, I'm not interested in engaging with you or making this inflate further, nor am I interested in hearing you eff and blind across the channel. Please go and send him a memo and drop this.
[19:24] <jorm> do i need to turn this chat channel around?
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[19:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kYSc64aU1w
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[19:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wtf is this?
[19:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this video is strange
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[19:28] <Dragonfly6-7> Good eveningf
[19:28] <Dragonfly6-7> for 500 points, and without looking, what do you think [[File:Chip2.jpg]]  is?
[19:29] <Jamesofur> well since you're asking
[19:29] <Jamesofur> I'm going to guess a Penis
[19:29] <Ironholds> a pet?
[19:29] <Jamesofur> or something equally surprising and not what you expect
[19:29] <Theo10011> semiconductors.
[19:29] <Theo10011> building
[19:29] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7: is it a pet?
[19:29] <Jamesofur> Looks like the award goes to Ironholds
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[19:30] <Ironholds> why, are we allowed to look now?
[19:30] <Jamesofur> when did I ever listen to 'allowed'
[19:30] <Dragonfly6-7> it's a rottweiler puppy named Chip, yes
[19:30] <Jamesofur> I do guess before looking though!
[19:30] <Dragonfly6-7> Chip also features in Wikiversity's article on microchips
[19:30] <Dragonfly6-7> I hate people who do that
[19:30] <Ironholds> ahh
[19:31] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7: pretty sure I'm winning the overall competition at this point
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[19:31] <Dragonfly6-7> I mean, *using Wikiversity* ? Of all the perversions....
[19:31] <Ironholds> okay, this weekend
[19:31] <Ironholds> I solemnly swear I will not log in to my WMF account. at all.
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[19:31] <Dragonfly6-7> on penalty of what
[19:32] <Jamesofur> that's an empty threat
[19:32] <Jamesofur> you are trying to say you won't do work
[19:32] <Jamesofur> but those 2 things aren't related enough
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[19:33] <Ironholds> Jamesofur: fine, fine
[19:33] <Ironholds> I swear I will not do work
[19:33] <Ironholds> except of the "going to a conference" variety
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[19:36] <SigmaWP> Steven_Zhang: payments.wikimedia.org is half-dead in Australia
[19:36] <SigmaWP> Note that in the topic?
[19:36] <Jamesofur> anything else?
[19:36] <Jamesofur> hmm
[19:36] <Jamesofur> thanks SigmaWP
[19:36] <Jamesofur> I'm looking into it
[19:36] <Jamesofur> how is it half dead?
[19:37] <SigmaWP> status.wikimedia.org
[19:37] <Ironholds> Jamesofur: it had a stroke
[19:37] <Ironholds> left side of the body, crippled. Right side, fine. Half-dead.
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[19:37] <Jamesofur> hmm interesting that that it's showing AU only
[19:38] <Jamesofur> SigmaWP, we've been deploying DonationInterface 2.0 (our brand new rewritten version of the payments system) over the past couple hours. I'm going to look into it but it's possible this is left over from that and the Australia ping happened to happen while we were switching servers over etc.
[19:38] <Jamesofur> thanks for the note, hopefully I'm right and it's just left over and already fixed :)
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[19:39] <Ironholds> jorm: okay, I admit it, you were right
[19:39] <jorm> about?
[19:40] <Ironholds> Death Magnetic rolls the clock back a decade and then dropkicks it off the nightstand.
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[19:45] <Shadowgate> Obviously where Pokemon came from: [[Pokegama, Wisconsin]]
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[19:54] <Reedy> Jamesofur, FYI, seems to be a transit issue, as in EU it's served by esams, but payments and other hosts go direct to tampa
[19:54] <Reedy> When it hits crossconnect it triples the ping
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[20:11] <SigmaWP> Ooh bunnies.
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[20:14] <Gfoley4> Peter-C: Your turn
[20:14] <SigmaWP> Gfoley4: Link?
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[20:15] <Gfoley4> I don't have it. I've only been using my phone
[20:15] <Gfoley4> Check your history
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[20:23] <SigmaWP> Hello, Sp33dyphil :D
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[20:25] <LauraHale> Sp33dyphil: Do you know if Hawkeye7's submission will get into the next MilHist newsletter?
[20:26] <Sp33dyphil> What article is this?
[20:26] <LauraHale> Not an article, an announcement
�06[20:26] * LauraHale goes to stalk his contributions
[20:27] <LauraHale> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Coordinators/Newsroom
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[20:29] <Sp33dyphil> is this about IRC?
[20:29] <Tristessa> Sp33dyphil: What is?
[20:30] <Sp33dyphil> I'm guessing that Hawkeye7's announcement is about IRC; I think I'm wrong. I've been asking people to go to #wikipedia-en-milhist
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[20:32] <LauraHale> Not about IRC. :P
[20:32] <LauraHale> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Outreach_Oceania/Military_History
[20:32] <LauraHale> That
�06[20:32] * SigmaWP 's coal balls are mentioned in an official-looking WMF page
[20:32] <Sp33dyphil> Oh, the trip to those South Pacific countries
�06[20:32] * Tristessa misread that as "cool balls"
�06[20:32] * SigmaWP can now retire in peace
[20:33] <Trusilver> I ALWAYS see it as "cool balls" which is the downfall of using comic sans as my font.
[20:33] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP: URL?
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[20:39] <LauraHale> Not south Pacific. :P
[20:40] <LauraHale> Mostly because they are North of the equator.
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[20:40] <SigmaWP_> SigmaWP: Goodbye
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[20:41] <SigmaWP> Chainsaws are very inefficient when trying to ghost.
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[20:47] <Gfoley4> Mom
[20:47] <Gfoley4> Ed
[20:47] <Gfoley4> Damnit
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[20:48] <Earwig> ó_ó
[20:49] <SigmaWP> σ_σ
[20:49] <SigmaWP> Ah, sigmas are so useful
[20:49] <Earwig> :(
[20:50] <SigmaWP> How would I say "the guarantee against anarchy" in an encyclopedic and professional manner
[20:50] <SigmaWP> ?
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[20:51] <Demiurge1000> "the assurance of stability" ?
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[20:51] <SigmaWP> good enough for me
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[21:04] <SigmaWP> Would "Fall of the Russian Empire" be a good level-2 section heading?
[21:04] <SigmaWP> Or is it too unprofessional?
[21:06] <Demiurge1000> I think it's OK
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[21:08] <LauraHale> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/University_of_Canberra/RCC2012/Participants/Scholarship Aussie Aussie Aussie. Oye oye oye.
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[21:13] <Aranda56> yay World Series :D
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[21:21] <Sp33dyphil> LauraHale: do you wanna sign up for next year's WikiCup? You can probably nuke the comp with your DYKs
�06[21:21] * Aranda56 waves to Eagles347
[21:22] <Aranda56> 247 opps
[21:22] <Aranda56> I'm signing up for next year wikicup
�06[21:22] * Sp33dyphil stares at Aranda56 intently
[21:23] <Aranda56> i could win if i focus and still have school problems
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[21:24] <Sp33dyphil> Aranda56: can you choose 2 flags for the Cup?
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[21:24] <Eagles247> hello Aranda56
[21:25] <Aranda56> idk i was in the cup the past two years, used the Miami flag
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[21:25] <Eagles247> ooo I'm in WikiCup for the first time evaaa
[21:26] <Aranda56> I got inactive both times that's why i lost
[21:26] <Eagles247> if i get past the first round, it'll be a success for me
[21:26] <Aranda56> i got past first round last year
[21:26] <Aranda56> then i didn't edit for 4 months :p
�06[21:26] * Eagles247 was opposed at his RfA (but the oppose was struck out) due to content concerns :/
[21:26] <Eagles247> yeah, that helps
[21:27] <Aranda56> i'm retrying RFA soon
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[21:27] <LauraHale> Sp33dyphil: No.
[21:27] <Eagles247> i'd vote for you
�06[21:27] * LauraHale doesn't know how many DYKs she will do. :/
[21:27] <Eagles247> speaking of which, who's going to vote for me for WikiCup senator?
[21:27] <Sp33dyphil> why not? It's a bit of fun
[21:27] <Gfoley4> On your alt account?
[21:28] <Aranda56> Gfoley4 me?
[21:28] <Sp33dyphil> you can submit a few GAs as well
[21:28] <Gfoley4> Yeah
[21:29] <Aranda56> Gfoley4 i got Xeno to move my alt account back to Secret and moved the Secret i couldn't recover to Secret renamed see my userpage
[21:29] <Sp33dyphil> Gfoley4: hi, I heard that a interest of yours is railroad
[21:29] <Gfoley4> Aranda56: Ah ok
[21:29] <Gfoley4> Sp33dyphil: Uh huh
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[21:30] <Sp33dyphil> Anybody interested in join the WikiCup next year?
[21:30] <Sp33dyphil> *joining
[21:30] <Eagles247> ME!
[21:30] <Eagles247> is this the official recruiting process?
�06[21:31] * LauraHale is probably capable of doing one a day or every other day if she wanted to but is going to be mostly offline for three weeks early in the year
[21:31] <Sp33dyphil> nah, you already joined
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[21:31] <Sp33dyphil> LauraHale: each round spans 2 months
[21:31] <lucasoutloud> Hello wikipedians.
[21:32] <Eagles247> I think the minimum this year to make it to Round 2 was like 10 points or so
[21:32] <Sp33dyphil> o.O
[21:33] <Sp33dyphil> Trusilver you're there?
[21:33] <Eagles247> sorry, 8 was the lowest score that made it to round 2
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[21:33] <Eagles247> 4 GARs for that user
[21:33] <Sp33dyphil> wow, four GA reviews
[21:33] <lucasoutloud> So, could I solicit anyone for a game of #trivia ?
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[21:34] <Eagles247> Pro Tip from a Newbie: Don't try /that/ hard in round 1, just enough to advance to round 2
[21:35] <Sp33dyphil> yeah
[21:35] <lucasoutloud> Of what sport do we speak?
�06[21:36] * Sp33dyphil is bored
[21:36] <lucasoutloud> Then try in #trivia , if you are bored.
[21:36] <Eagles247> lucasoutloud: enwp.org/WP:WIKICUP
[21:36] <Eagles247> darn
[21:37] <Eagles247> http://enwp.org/WP:WIKICUP
[21:37] <SigmAway> >)
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[21:39] <Eagles247> 133 contestants this year, 19 so far have signed up for next year
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[21:39] <LL2|JedIRC> Ohai
[21:39] <lucasoutloud> Herro bro-san
[21:40] <LL2|JedIRC> Y'know, cause of youtube, I've been not as active on wp now-a-days
[21:40] <Gfoley4> Darn
[21:40] <Ironholds> Speaking as a volunteer - is Ottawahitech a loon?
[21:41] <Ironholds> he appears to have spent the last few years creating an infinite number of deleted and deletable articles.
[21:42] <Peter-C> Gfoley4 - I am sexy and I know it
[21:42] <lucasoutloud> Sexy man, I challenge you to #trivia
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[21:43] <Gfoley4> Peter-C: If you're so sexy, move!
[21:43] <Ironholds> lucasoutloud, stop spamming.
�06[21:43] * Aranda56 kills lucasoutload
[21:43] <lucasoutloud> I'm scarecely spamming.
�06[21:43] * Peter-C dances
�06[21:43] * Peter-C struts around in a speedo
[21:44] <SigmAway> LL2|JedIRC: Get addicted to Huggle.
[21:44] <Gfoley4> My eyes
[21:44] <SigmAway> Oh wait, you don't have rollback. Try getting addicted to STiki.
[21:44] <lucasoutloud> >not using Twinkle instead of rollback
[21:45] <SigmAway> Such is the life cycle of the typical Wikipedian. A brief few months of overenthusiasm, followed by 0 edits, thanks to Youtube.
[21:45] <Ironholds> AHA
[21:45] <Ironholds> I have a WMF email address. *sorted*
[21:45] <SigmAway> :O
[21:45] <Gfoley4> SigmAway: That's not very typical
[21:46] <SigmAway> Typical new user then
[21:46] <Ironholds> ooh, and they've signed me up to all the fun mailing lists
[21:46] <SigmAway> The new user that doesn't create an article and get templated by me, that is
[21:46] <Gfoley4> More likely they go back to the vidya
[21:47] <SigmAway> Hey, python endorses WP's article on triangular distribution!
�06[21:47] * SigmAway wonders why
[21:47] <Eagles247> should the WikiCup be renamed "The Contest in which the Winner has the Most Time on His or Her Hands"
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[21:49] <Aranda56> i fully explained my disorder in my RFA i just hope I don't get opposed because of that disorder
[21:49] <Theo10011> Ironholds, I can welcome you on Internal-l
[21:50] <Ironholds> Theo10011: I'm good thanks :)
[21:50] <Ironholds> crap
[21:50] <Ironholds> I broke my "no work on the weekend" pledge
[21:51] <SigmAway> Depends on whether you think Friday counts or not
[21:51] <Ironholds> it took me....two hours.
[21:51] <SigmAway> and where you live.
�03[21:51] * SigmAway is now known as SigmaWP
[21:51] <Ironholds> SigmAway: it's Saturday morning, ta
[21:51] <SigmaWP> Ah, Europe.
[21:51] <Ironholds> ahh, and Howie has cleared me to speak tomorrow. smashtastic.
[21:51] <Peter-C> Mitchazenia
[21:51] <Peter-C> How much lighting strikes earth each minute
[21:52] <Peter-C> don't tell lucasoutloud I am asking you
[21:52] <lucasoutloud> Pff I'm still in this room silly
[21:52] <Peter-C> hush :P
[21:53] <Ironholds> okay, I officially hate the internal staff mailing list
[21:53] <Gfoley4> Peter-C: Omg move!
[21:53] <Ironholds> "hey guys, look at all the cool shit we're putting on! Oh, except remote contractors. You can't come to any of it because you're 3,000 miles away"
[21:54] <Peter-C> Gfoley4 - kiss my Irish ass :3
�06[21:54] * SigmaWP moves Peter-C to WP:BJAÖDN
[21:54] <Ironholds> Peter-C, you're an italian-american
[21:54] <Ironholds> your last name is about as Irish as abortions
[21:54] <lucasoutloud> I'm super white but I speak spanish well
[21:54] <Peter-C> Legally Irish, and 25% heritiage
[21:55] <Ironholds> Peter-C: and it's your ass that's the 25 percent?
[21:55] <Ironholds> clearly a fatass.
[21:56] <Peter-C> :(
[21:56] <Ironholds> lucasoutloud: I'm super white and I speak English.
[21:56] <lucasoutloud> No lo eres.
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[21:56] <LL2|JedIRC> SigmaWP: [[WP:Don't template the regulars]]
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[21:57] <Gfoley4> Peter-C can't defeat Ironholds' logic
[21:57] <SigmaWP> Huh?
�06[21:57] * SigmaWP is confused
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[21:57] <SigmaWP> LL2|JedIRC: I already know that
[21:57] <Shirik> LL2|JedIRC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TTR
[21:59] <SigmaWP> steve
[21:59] <SigmaWP> Where'd he go
[21:59] <LL2|JedIRC> Then why would you threaten to template a regular, sigmawp?
[21:59] <SigmaWP> Did I?
[21:59] <lucasoutloud> Oh sigma!  How is CP?
[21:59] <LL2|JedIRC> Yes, from what I saw b4 I accidentally exited, you did
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[22:00] <SigmaWP> I recall moving Peter-C to WP:BJA"ODN
[22:01] <SigmaWP> Or are you referring to me templating new users who create articles?
[22:02] <SigmaWP> LL2|JedIRC: Ping
[22:02] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: is it worth having an argument over? :P
[22:02] <SigmaWP> Ah, heh.....
[22:03] <Mitchazenia> -"
�06[22:03] * SigmaWP returns to reading
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[22:17] <SigmaWP> Someone tell me if Rainbow-Dash-En comes here
�06[22:17] * SigmaWP has to chew him out for insulting User:NuclearWarfare
[22:17] <Mitchazenia> :P
[22:17] <Mitchazenia> That could be an issue
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[22:17] <Mitchazenia> A Pony can insult people?
[22:18] <kylu> you've never watched the series, apparently.
[22:18] <Mitchazenia> Clearly I don't want to
[22:18] <Mitchazenia> :p
[22:18] <kylu> it's shreky.
[22:18] <Mitchazenia> I hated Shrek
[22:18] <kylu> designed for little kids, enough hidden crap that grownups can pay attention.
[22:19] <SigmaWP> It also irks me that xe has two alleged GAs to xer credit
[22:19] <SigmaWP> <ref>Rainbow dash's userpage</ref>
[22:20] <LL2|JedIRC> Ironholds: Are you a [[WP:ROUGE]]? :P
[22:20] <Addihockey10> o_o http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=prev&oldid=3028146
�06[22:20] * Tristessa waves
[22:20] <SigmaWP> WHAT
[22:20] <SigmaWP> Addihockey10: AHHH!!!!!
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[22:21] <SigmaWP> Why didnt he just ask a bureaucrat???
[22:21] <SigmaWP> I thought they were allowed to now
[22:22] <Ironholds> LL2|JedIRC: I'm not. I'm a foundation workmonkey.
[22:23] <Tristessa> Ironholds: Do you have to finish a certain number of OTRS messages before you get a banana?
[22:24] <Ironholds> Tristessa: I actually work for the foundation. This means I am not allowed on OTRS 90 percent of the time ;p
[22:24] <Ironholds> OTRS is handled by volunteers. The 10 percent is the 10 percent of time I'm not working.
[22:24] <Tristessa> Ironholds: Oh, I didn't know that
[22:24] <SigmaWP> I have to find Steve
[22:24] <Tristessa> laughs
[22:26] <Ironholds> Tristessa: and now you do!
[22:26] <Ironholds> spreading knowledge! It's the wikipedia way.
[22:26] <Tristessa> Ironholds: I didn't know you actually *worked* for the WMF, I mean.
[22:26] <Tristessa> :)
[22:27] <Ironholds> Tristessa: ahh. Yes, the hideous rumours are true - seealso http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Okeyes_%28WMF%29
�06[22:27] * Pilif12p glares at SigmaWP
[22:27] <Ironholds> I'm a veeeery short-term contractor who's more editor than workmonkey, and I've only been there for two weeks. So it's not like established fact :)
�06[22:27] * SigmaWP searches for bite wounds
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[22:28] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: I'm tired. I stopped bouncing.
[22:28] <Addihockey10> :-D
[22:28] <Tristessa> Ironholds: Ahhh... yes. I think I set your rights when you asked
[22:28] <Tristessa> The penny drops.
�06[22:28] * Tristessa laughs
[22:28] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: Could do me a wiki-favor?
[22:28] <Ironholds> Addihockey10: depends what it is
[22:28] <Ironholds> Tristessa: indeed :D
[22:28] <kylu> ...when I set up the "Staff" global group, the idea was that staff would handle its own userrights needs, among other things. x.x
[22:29] <Ironholds> kylu: in a dream world ;P
[22:29] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: Give http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarekOfVulcan Rollback, filemover, autoreviewer etc.
[22:29] <Ironholds> I assume it's a userright consisting of "give other users the staff userright"?
[22:29] <Ironholds> Addihockey10: dude, he's an admin ;p
[22:29] <kylu> you needn't assume anything, just go look.
[22:29] <kylu> and no, it contains a bit more than that.
[22:29] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: No he's not.
[22:29] <Ironholds> kylu: that's effort and I don't grok the dev layout
[22:29] <SigmaWP> Ironholds: Not anymore
[22:29] <Ironholds> oh, what happened?
[22:29] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: http://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=3028146
[22:30] <Ironholds> Addihockey10: then I'll wait for him to request rights before giving them to him
[22:30] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: He did
[22:30] <Ironholds> where?
[22:30] <Addihockey10> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/?diff=prev&oldid=3028155
[22:31] <SigmaWP> I wonder why
[22:31] <Ironholds> Addihockey10, he's still an admin.
[22:31] <Ironholds> therefore the request hasn't been dealt with
[22:31] <Ironholds> therefore when the request is dealt with, that bit will be considered
[22:31] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: Uhh... Wikitanvir changed user rights for SarekOfVulcan@enwiki from sysop to (none) with the following comment: Per http://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=3028146
[22:32] <kylu> Ironholds: for reference, if you ever care, btw: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalGroupPermissions/Staff
[22:32] <Ironholds> Addihockey10: not according to the enwiki userright log
[22:32] <kylu> if not, please don't let me know.
[22:32] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: No, it's on the global log
[22:32] <Ironholds> kylu: ooh, cool!
[22:32] <Ironholds> oh, for gods sakes
[22:32] <Ironholds> fine, fine, I'll handle it
[22:32] <Peter-C> I got passion in my pants
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[22:32] <Ironholds> done
[22:33] <Ironholds> Peter-C: act above your age.
[22:33] <Ironholds> "(del/undel) 03:32, 29 October 2011 Ironholds (talk | contribs | block) changed rights for User:SarekOfVulcan from (none) to reviewer, account creator, rollbacker, confirmed user, autopatrolled and file mover ? (trusted user) "
[22:33] <Ironholds> happy?
[22:33] <Addihockey10> Peter-C: OMFG THAT JUST PLAYED (I'm listening)
[22:33] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: I thought we were over this yesterday :-P
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[22:34] <Theo10011> Ironholds, want a staff flag?
[22:34] <Ironholds> Addihockey10: boom boom
[22:34] <Ironholds> Theo10011: yeah, may as well. Proof of identity, I guess.
[22:34] <SigmaWP> :O
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[22:35] <Theo10011> Ironholds, the current established procedure involves the contact at WMF asking a steward.
[22:35] <Theo10011> only philippe does that
[22:35] <Addihockey10> Ironholds: I contacted one for you
[22:35] <Ironholds> Theo10011: okay. Then...why offer it to me? :P
[22:35] <Theo10011> He is particular about not handing out willy-nilly to everyone.
[22:35] <Theo10011> just letting you know, if you dont run it by philippe...
[22:36] <Theo10011> he might get pissed.
[22:36] <Ironholds> Theo10011: like I said, I'm not really fussed anyway.
[22:36] <Theo10011> cool.
[22:36] <Theo10011> Anyway
[22:36] <Ironholds> did you manage to find Seddon in the end?
[22:36] <Theo10011> no
[22:36] <Theo10011> sorry about the outburst earlier.
[22:36] <Ironholds> that's fine
[22:36] <Theo10011> heard something that pissed me off.
[22:37] <Theo10011> on top of something related to seddon.
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[22:37] <Ironholds> I've dropped him a text to say "Theo wants to speak to you, you seem to have annoyed him" (along those lines, anyway) so hopefully he'll appear during more reasonable hours.
[22:37] <Theo10011> Thanks.
[22:37] <Theo10011> I'll see him around prob. anyway.
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�06[22:37] * Ironholds nods
[22:38] <Theo10011> Are we going to get our regular Ironholds after the contract?
[22:38] <Ironholds> Theo10011: "regular Ironholds"?
[22:38] <Theo10011> you know, your regular charming self. ;)
[22:39] <Ironholds> evidently you're having difficulty grokking my statement "I'm making an effort to change" ;p
[22:39] <Theo10011> I know, I meant is the change permanent?
[22:39] <Theo10011> or are you trying to be responsible till you are working for WMF.
[22:39] <Ironholds> I'm already working for the WMF ;p
[22:40] <Ironholds> do you mean "until you are not..."
[22:40] <Ironholds> ?
[22:40] <Theo10011> till it ends.
[22:40] <Theo10011> ya
[22:40] <Ironholds> that'd kinda undermine the entire point of changing. Change is not meant to be "until I feel like going back"
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[22:40] <Theo10011> Alright.
[22:40] <Theo10011> I guess, we got used to the other you.
�06[22:41] * Ironholds nods
[22:41] <Ironholds> my apologies for the terrible shock to the system this must be, then :P
[22:41] <Theo10011> lol
[22:41] <Theo10011> you apologizing is the biggest shock.
[22:42] <LauraHale> They changed the DYK criteria again. :/
[22:43] <LauraHale> For reviewing.
[22:43] <Ironholds> LauraHale: oh? What is it now?
[22:43] <Demiurge1000> Has to be a featured article first.
[22:43] <barebone> DYK = Duck Ya Know?
[22:43] <LauraHale> Ironholds: Apparently, the templates they required reviewers to use are now out.
[22:43] <Demiurge1000> err, that didn't make sense
[22:43] <Demiurge1000> What I said, I mean
[22:43] <barebone> Can be used in CU.. :P
[22:43] <SigmaWP> LauraHale: Noooo!
[22:43] <Demiurge1000> anyway... yeah they keep changing things
[22:43] <SigmaWP> barebone: Or general voting icons :D
[22:44] <LauraHale> And they aren't linking to them on the page.  They should still link to them with a "This is optional and some reviewers may find them helpful."
[22:44] <barebone> Hoi SigmaWP, voting icons?
[22:44] <Demiurge1000> Maybe I unwatchlisted WT:DYK, cos I can never understand what on earth goes on there, these days
�06[22:44] * barebone remembers, wrote only on DYK article on enwiki. :P
[22:45] <SigmaWP> I gave up on DYK when they added the subpage thing
[22:45] <SigmaWP> Returning only twice; once for the coal balls, the second for the MEMS oscillators for a helpee
�06[22:45] * LauraHale just asked some one else to nominate her stuff
[22:45] <LauraHale> I did a review to get a really, really boring DYK of mine listed and just felt like :( :( of the one I reviewed because I found the citations to be confusing.
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[22:46] <LauraHale> Wait.  The review templates are no longer even recommended?  Oye.
[22:48] <SigmaWP> LauraHale: Wait, the voting images or the table?
[22:48] <LauraHale> They appeared to reach consensus a month ago but they only implemented it 18 hours� ago?
[22:48] <LauraHale> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_74#Getting_rid_of_the_checklists.3F
[22:48] <LauraHale> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7#DYK_review_templates
[22:49] <LauraHale> I've nothing against making the process easier...
[22:50] <LauraHale> Anywho...
[22:50] <SigmaWP> LauraHale: NEW RFA
[22:50] <LauraHale> SigmaWP: Where?
[22:50] <SigmaWP> barebone: Demiurge1000 Theo10011 new rfa
[22:50] <SigmaWP> http://enwp.org/WP:RFA
[22:50] <SigmaWP> secret 2
[22:50] <LauraHale> Link?
[22:50] <SigmaWP> its trnascluded
�06[22:50] * barebone never voted on enwiki RfA.
�06[22:51] * LauraHale isn't an admin and has no idea who this guy is
�06[22:51] * barebone knows this secret guy is no longer secret.
[22:51] <LauraHale> Not a sock of thepoetlister?
[22:52] <Demiurge1000> oh, it's wosstheirname
[22:52] <Demiurge1000> I assume
[22:52] <Aranda56> ....
[22:52] <Demiurge1000> yeah, ?
[22:52] <Aranda56> my RFA is active
[22:52] <LauraHale> This is just ...
[22:53] <LauraHale> I feel like half the RfA should be redacted for [[WP:BLP]]. :/
[22:53] <Demiurge1000> LauraHale: Be bold!
[22:54] <LauraHale> Demiurge1000: And request redacting based on [[WP:BLP]] because mental health issues shouldn't be splattered across WP like that? :/
[22:54] <Demiurge1000> umm, no, perhaps not
[22:54] <Aranda56> LauraHale i had to to explain my desysopping
[22:54] <Demiurge1000> I predict Malleus will Oppose.
[22:54] <SigmaWP> :O
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[22:55] <LauraHale> Aranda56: Did you talk about the drugs you take?
[22:55] <Ironholds> Demiurge1000: Malleus has supported one RfA that I know of, and only one.
[22:55] <SigmaWP> Ironholds: Does Sarek really need the "confirmed" right?
[22:55] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: eh, probably not, but I cba to turn it back.
[22:55] <Aranda56> LauraHale i never took any drugs except for the ones i take now, and Geodon
[22:55] <SigmaWP> Heh
[22:56] <LauraHale> Aranda56: Ah.  Was yours as intensely personal as that?
[22:56] <Ironholds> Tristessa: yer a software architect? coming up to the big smoke for barcamp?
[22:57] <Aranda56> yea i have a disorder, inherited from my mother, only child so
[22:58] <Aranda56> why did Sarek got desysopped?
[22:58] <Aranda56> or desysop himself?
[23:00] <SigmaWP> requested
[23:00] <Aranda56> oh over that RFC thing?
[23:00] <SigmaWP> Not sure
�06[23:00] * Aranda56 don't want to see another drama SoV RFA
[23:01] <Tristessa> Ironholds: alas, don't have a ticket
[23:01] <Ironholds> Tristessa: damn! I'm giving ein talk
[23:02] <Tristessa> Ironholds: sigh, don't have a (worthwhile) employer, don't have a ticket, lol. it's been a sad year.
[23:02] <Ironholds> oh dear :(
[23:02] <Ironholds> for future reference, tommorris organises the bloody things. He can probably nab you one
[23:02] <Ironholds> (not this year, obviously, bit late)
[23:02] <Tristessa> I looked the other day, the latecomer tickets are £999
[23:02] <Ironholds> JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
[23:02] <Tristessa> no joke
[23:02] <Ironholds> when I went to 44con they were 300 quid
[23:03] <Tristessa> eh, this is the sort of thing I hate about conferences
[23:03] <Ironholds> I got in for free, because I had [[Open Rights Group|people in high places wanting me to go]]
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[23:03] <SigmaWP> :O
[23:03] <Tristessa> it seems like the only times I had something to say at conferences I didn't have the money, and when I have the money I have nothing to say at them
[23:03] <Tristessa> (Wikimania is case in point)
[23:04] <SigmaWP> MBisanz: Purely out of curiousity, but do you have any opinions on renaming users to non-latin unicode characters?
[23:04] <Ironholds> Tristessa: which way around? :P
[23:04] <Ironholds> (re wikimania)
[23:05] <Tristessa> Both, at different times.
�06[23:05] * Tristessa laughs
[23:05] <Ironholds> ahhh
[23:05] <Ironholds> well, WMUK offers scholarships if you're speaking or in severe difficulty or whatever
�06[23:05] * Tristessa snorts.
[23:05] <Ironholds> so you can prod them into letting you to go DC if necessary
[23:05] <Ironholds> this is assuming they are not feckless gurning hacks, a statement I cannot comment on.
[23:05] <Tristessa> Formerly I had nothing to say, but now I don't have the money. :D
[23:05] <Ironholds> ahh
[23:06] <Tristessa> And, tbh, I think... WMF has moved on since I joined enwp in late 2004
[23:06] <Tristessa> I feel a bit like I don't belong here any more
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[23:06] <Tristessa> it's possibly for the best in that I feel a bit of an outsider now
[23:07] <LauraHale> Tristessa: In what way?
[23:07] <Demiurge1000> Tristessa: Who're you? :)
�06[23:07] * Ironholds has to wander - helping set up BC tomorrow. See y'all later.
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[23:07] <Tristessa> Demiurge1000: Formerly NicholasTurnbull.
[23:07] <Demiurge1000> (just illustrating your point :)  )
[23:08] <LauraHale> Demiurge1000: Tristessa is from the Bay Area in California.
[23:08] <Tristessa> LauraHale: I'm not. I'm from Brighton, UK.
�06[23:08] * SigmaWP seeks a check that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%CE%A3/Testing_facility/Think isn't full of pro-Soviet propaganda
[23:08] <LauraHale> Tristessa: Weird.  Your IP address geolocates there
[23:08] <LauraHale> Anyway...
[23:09] <Tristessa> heh, i'm definitely nobody now on enwp.
[23:09] <Tristessa> LauraHale: So, just on the offchance of having been on the peripherary of a conversation with me, you decided to geolocate my IP?
�06[23:10] * Tristessa guesses IRC etiquette has kind of changed, meh.
[23:10] <LauraHale> Tristessa: On the off chance you were in Australia, I would be all over you with YOU BELONG! LET ME HUGGLES YOU!
[23:10] <LauraHale> I would have also responded the same way if you were in New Zealand, or on a Pacific Island.
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[23:12] <Demiurge1000> a Pacific Island off the coast of the Bay Area in California? :)
[23:12] <LauraHale> No. :)
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[23:12] <LauraHale> But I'd still think "How awesome sauce! Living on an island like that!"
[23:12] <Demiurge1000> Alcatraz is one such island, but it's a bit further south I think.
�06[23:12] * SigmaWP nudges LauraHale and points at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%CE%A3/Testing_facility/Think
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[23:13] <LauraHale> Demiurge1000: Luckily, I know there are no permanent residents there. :)
�06[23:13] * SigmaWP nudges LauraHale and seeks feedback
[23:14] <Demiurge1000> Keepscases did have an RfA question recently, about WP editors inside high security jails.
[23:14] <Earwig> o_o
[23:14] <LauraHale> SigmaWP: Nice.  NEeds more sources, but nice. :)
[23:14] <SigmaWP> Earwig: Can you create http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Secret%20(renamed)/EditCounterOptIn.js
[23:14] <Demiurge1000> As Keepscases' RfA questions go, that was quite normal.
[23:15] <Trusilver> Demiurge1000: Ah... I remember that one.
[23:15] <SigmaWP> It's only fair if his old account's contribs are also included in the RfA
[23:15] <Earwig> sure
[23:15] <Earwig> wait
[23:15] <Earwig> what
[23:15] <Earwig> why
[23:15] <Earwig> oh
[23:16] <Earwig> did they "opt in" to it?
[23:16] <SigmaWP> Earwig: On his current account yes
[23:16] <Earwig> link?
�08[23:16] * douche SigmaWP
[23:16] <SigmaWP> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Secret/EditCounterOptIn.js
[23:16] <SigmaWP> douche: :D
[23:18] <mabdul> SigmaWP: for which edit counter is this?
[23:18] <SigmaWP> Aranda56:
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[23:19] <Aranda56> i need two edit counters
[23:19] <SigmaWP> Earwig: Proof ^
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[23:19] <Earwig> I saw :P
�08[23:19] * douche huggles LauraHale tightly.
[23:20] <CRRaysHead90> SCORE UPDATE:  Texas Rangers 2, St. Louis Cardinals 6, Top 9th 1 Out (World Series Game 7)
�08[23:20] <douche> Go Expos Go!
[23:21] <CRRaysHead90> lol
[23:21] <Aranda56> yay Rally Squirrel :D
�08[23:21] <douche> CRRaysHead90, do you like Hockey?
[23:21] <Earwig> SigmaWP: got it
[23:21] <Mitchazenia> LET'S GO CARDINALS
[23:21] <SigmaWP> Thanks
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[23:21] <CRRaysHead90> douche: some, trying to get in to it... GO LIGHTNING! :D
�06[23:21] * Aranda56 gives 50 rally squirrels to Mitchazenia
�08[23:22] <douche> <== cheers for Montréal Habs :P
[23:22] <Mitchazenia> GOD CALLED CINDERELLA TONIGHT - FINAL - TEXAS RANGERS 2 / ST. LOUIS CARDINALS 6 - CARDINALS WIN THE WORLD SERIES 4 GAMES TO 3
[23:22] <Aranda56> boo we need Wizardman :D
�08[23:22] <douche> CRRaysHead90, altough i can say that the Lightining is like Québec #2 
�08[23:22] <douche> :P
[23:22] <Aranda56> boo that game wasn't fun :(
[23:22] <CRRaysHead90> 2 down!
[23:22] <Trusilver> shit... that means we have to keep the damned Rally Squirrel article :/
�08[23:22] * douche squirrels up SigmaWP
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[23:23] <CRRaysHead90> shit about to get crazy
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[23:23] <Trusilver> can't we just protect EVERY Cardinals article right now preemptively?
[23:23] <CRRaysHead90> FINAL: Texas Rangers 2, St. Louis Cardinals 6
[23:23] <CRRaysHead90> 2011 World Series champions - St. Louis Cardinals
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[23:23] <SigmaWP> using TW.
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[23:26] <Aranda56> Trusilver Rangers better
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[23:27] <Aranda56> Rangers lost so they need to be protected
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[23:32] <CRRaysHead90> My tweet when the Rangers lost: http://twitter.com/CRRaysHead90/statuses/130122757118767104
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[23:32] <Trusilver> Have we had the first post-World Series related vandalism yet?
[23:33] <Aranda56> Trusilver that poor umpire
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[23:34] <Aranda56> and semi-protected for two days
[23:34] <Aranda56> nothing on the few WS articles i have so far
[23:35] <Trusilver> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=St._Louis_Cardinals&action=historysubmit&diff=457920281&oldid=457920232
[23:35] <Trusilver> that didn't take long
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�08[23:41] <douche> They win
�08[23:41] <douche> Cardinals win
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[23:46] <LauraHale> No :(
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[23:49] <Aranda56> hmm
[23:49] <Aranda56> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Theatron_%283D_visualisation_project%29
[23:49] <LauraHale> Today's good task: Thanking DYK people.
�08[23:50] <douche> ni ni <3
Session Close: Fri Oct 28 23:50:36 2011