User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2015-07-15

Session Start: Wed Jul 15 00:00:00 2015
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[00:12:03] <Elaborate_Blob> yay the Internet is a wonderful thing
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[00:23:04] <Eatmeimaredbean> Especially when you want to chat
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[00:44:29] <Oshwah> Quick question for anyone whose proficient at Huggle....
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[00:55:07] <geniice> NH phones home
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[01:09:10] <{Soap}> hi
[01:09:14] <{Soap}> oshwah did tyou ghet help?
[01:09:25] <Oshwah> {Soap}: I didn't. But no worries.
[01:10:27] <Oshwah> So, I was trying to revert vandalism on Huggle and warn the person, but I accidentally marked the edit as a "Good Edit". I went back and clicked on the correct button immeditately after, but my question is... Does that "Good Edit" button instantly update the white list? Can it be undone? How do I do it if I do this again?
[01:11:48] <{Soap}> Im not sure if the whitelist is stored off-site anymore or not
[01:11:54] <{Soap}> its changed a lot since the last time i used it
[01:12:26] <{Soap}> i imagine having a whole bunch of people trying to update the whitelist would get problematic so it must be offsite still
[01:12:32] <Oshwah> No worries. I'm sure it'll be fine. Just saw what I did and went "AWW CRAP!"
[01:12:45] <Oshwah> I think it's still on-wiki
[01:13:11] <Oshwah> Well... maybe...
[01:13:12] <Oshwah> https://huggle.wmflabs.org/data/wl.php?wp=en.wikipedia&action=display
[01:13:23] <Oshwah> SQL error. ??
[01:13:34] <Oshwah> Not sure if that means that the db is down or if it got moved and the link is dead.
[01:13:50] <{Soap}> I guess I cant really answer your querstion but Id be surprised if just a single good edit would put someone on a whitelist.  even some outright vandals do *occasional * good edits
[01:13:59] <Oshwah> ^^
[01:14:01] <Oshwah> Indeed.
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[01:27:01] <Soapboy> huh, someone actually reg'd "SoapBubbles"
[01:27:40] <Oshwah> lol
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[01:31:22] <geniice> IMF signals it could walk away from Greek bailout deal.
[01:31:41] <Soapboy> what woyuld hja[ppen then?
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[01:32:54] <geniice> hard to say
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[01:33:14] <geniice> eurozone could modify its part of the deal
[01:33:30] <geniice> or it may give up and cut greece lose
[01:33:45] <Soapboy> that makes me laugh for somereason
[01:34:03] <Soapboy> GREECE: Birthplace of Western Civilization
[01:34:58] <Sir_Designer> Soapboy I thought it was Iran
[01:35:01] <geniice> Western Civilization was born in Ironbridge and Soho
[01:35:02] <Sir_Designer> Persia
[01:35:10] <Soapboy> Iran created Greece, yes
[01:35:29] <Soapboy> arguably though, it isnt "western"
[01:35:37] <geniice> Soho created the industrial steam engine
[01:35:55] <Sir_Designer> Greece is arguably the birthplace of excellent complex dining experience in the west
[01:36:32] <Sir_Designer> I think Iran is very much western.  All the Indo-European cultures are one foot in Iran's past
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[01:37:22] <Soapboy> OK i hope this works.  Im attempting to trasngfer 90 GB of music over a wireless connectrion
[01:37:56] <Soapboy> oh wow "9 hours remaining" nevermind
[01:38:08] <geniice> why? don't you have network cable?
[01:38:16] <Soapboy> nope
[01:38:34] <Soapboy> not without kicking myself off the Internet anyway. besides, i thionkl thats be only slightrly faster
[01:38:53] <Sir_Designer> Soapboy wireless connection if you have very very good n, yes, more like ac.  Try using a USB 3 stick instead, or a flash card rated 10
[01:39:10] <Soapboy> hmm
[01:39:22] <Soapboy> yeah i suppose a 16GB flash drive would work
[01:40:17] <Sir_Designer> make sure, if you have the choice, to use the usb 3 flash drive and stick it in the right receptacle on the machine
[01:41:22] <Soapboy> i dont have any USB 3.0 capable drtives
[01:41:31] <Soapboy> eh i'll deal w/ iot
[01:41:35] <Soapboy> ive done this before
[01:41:35] <Sir_Designer> Soapboy you should also know that Walgreens sells ethernet cable
[01:41:51] <Soapboy> hmm? howd you gind i work there? oh well
[01:42:00] <Soapboy>  i dont remember saying that in public
[01:42:06] <Jr_Mime> I guess Walgreens is turing into Walmart?
[01:42:07] <Sir_Designer> I did not know that.
[01:42:27] <Sir_Designer> but I have amazed myself T WHAT WALGREENS PHOTO DEPT CARRIES
[01:42:35] <Sir_Designer> oops
[01:43:40] <geniice> Lens caps for the sigma 150-600mm sport?
[01:44:28] <Sir_Designer> Jr_Mime it's rather straightforward line of inference:  Walgreens is a pharmacy; pr0n is a medical pursuit or even condition; ethernet cable is used in pr0n..
[01:44:36] <Soapboy> lol
[01:44:47] <Jr_Mime> Ah yes, that makes sense
[01:45:17] <Soapboy> sriously thiough Ive only been at Walgreens 5 months and Im already looking for a 2nd job.  Not necessarily quitting, it just doesnt pay as well as what Im used to
[01:45:28] <Soapboy> i have no propblem with them as a company or a store though
[01:46:20] <Sir_Designer> selling electronics is a higher pay grade than being a Walgreen staffer.  Unless you are doing the pharmacy thing,
[01:46:49] <Soapboy> honestly, working at a loca lsupermaket is a higher pay grade than either of them, at least here.  The problem is getting in
[01:47:38] <Sir_Designer> Soapboy your dream job is T-Mobile phone butiques,  All that neon pink lighting,
[01:47:46] <Soapboy> i considered that
[01:48:01] <Soapboy> their pay is low by induistry standards but at least the job is predictable
[01:48:18] <Soapboy> theres no wondering "what am i gonna do today?" and not knowing until 10 minutes after Ive punched in
[01:48:24] <Sir_Designer> do you think you could be a manager?
[01:48:30] <Soapboy> no, never
[01:48:36] <Soapboy> I dont have the kind of people skills youd need for that
[01:48:48] <Soapboy> besides, the managers at Walgreens are pitifully underpaid for what they do
[01:48:53] <Soapboy> barely higher than entry level floor associates
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[01:49:21] <Soapboy> if Im going to ever have a high paying job its gonna have to be totally the oppopsite of retail
[01:49:54] <Oshwah> Eww retail. I worked those jobs when I was younger.
[01:49:57] <Sir_Designer> but at T-Mobile?  surely the managers don't have to have that great a set of people's skills, since the only managing is of drone-people
[01:50:02] <Soapboy> honestly the only reason Im in retail is because 18 years ago my best friend got me a job at the local depaertment store. my entire career is due to that
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[01:50:04] <Oshwah> Great motivation for a higher education if anything.
[01:50:09] <Soapboy> oh yiou meant T Mobile
[01:50:15] <Sir_Designer> yes
[01:50:15] <Soapboy> nah, those jobs arent that easy to get either
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[01:50:36] <Soapboy> even entry level.  though, thats OK, Id be totally happy with entry level at T Mobile and would never leave
[01:51:15] <Sir_Designer> Oshwah ...oh I have been trying to talk Soapboy into a classics major, but the Aeolic Greek requirement has him seething,,,
[01:51:16] <Soapboy> oshwahL yeah i have an AS  degree in computer science, it got me a job once but that was only a temporary job
[01:51:41] <Oshwah> Classics major, huh?
[01:52:03] <Oshwah> I have an Applied Mathematics and a Software Engineering degree. It's done me well so far :-)
[01:52:09] <Sir_Designer> slassics, and even a smigeon of quantum entanglement
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[01:52:53] <Soapboy> my only real computer related talent, i thin, is graphic/web design
[01:52:57] <Soapboy> Im not much of a programmer
[01:53:05] <Sir_Designer> Oshwah you may be in a better demographics and geography
[01:53:24] <Oshwah> Sir_Designer: That always plays into things.
[01:54:12] <Sir_Designer> I am 56.  I have a very hard time getting a research job, even though I have reasonable, erm, bloodlines
[01:56:24] <Sir_Designer> Oshwah CV, first link on the top http://twice22.org/marek/index.html
[01:56:49] <hexersTSN> is god real?
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[01:57:57] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN what is your dogmatic position on sqare root of -1?
[01:58:05] <Oshwah> lol
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[01:58:41] <Oshwah> Well you got the experience. But in your area, it might be hard (you might be right).
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[01:59:00] <Oshwah> Unless you're dead set on living where you are now for some reason, you may want to expand you horizons.
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[01:59:18] <Soapboy> i thought Chicago was good
[01:59:34] <Soapboy> i wouldnt personally wanna live there, but they have a strogn economy
[02:00:49] <Sir_Designer> Soapboy perhaps I have not made all the right rounds at the right comapnies, such as Boeing, and far suburban things like Northrop, Sears, Harman
[02:01:22] <Sir_Designer> the jist of research work is financial markets and trading
[02:01:29] <Sir_Designer> gist *
[02:01:36] <hexersTSN> infinity >designer
[02:01:59] <hexersTSN> infinity thats my answer
[02:02:03] <Sir_Designer> infinity = runaway memory allocation   ==>  death
[02:02:15] <hexersTSN> reserection
[02:02:44] <Sir_Designer> res erection will only put up so many res before you find out the res aint the way to go
[02:02:49] <hexersTSN> to be or not to be?
[02:03:27] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN that which does not kill us makes us directly billable
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[02:04:14] <hexersTSN> ttrue>dsigner
[02:04:34] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN I rest my case.
[02:05:14] <Sir_Designer> You have forgotten echo or cat on your last line of code, kind sir.
[02:05:18] <hexersTSN> but what exsit after death?
[02:05:27] <Sir_Designer> grubs
[02:05:31] <Soapboy> thisll be intesting
[02:05:52] <hexersTSN> indeed it will be'
[02:05:57] <{Soap}> btw: why Im on 2 logins: helps with pasting tex t filkes to myself
[02:06:35] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} do you remember what "filk" is?   your typo reminded me of it.
[02:06:51] <hexersTSN> lol
[02:07:55] <Sir_Designer> "Filk music is both a musical culture, genre, and community tied to science fiction/fantasy fandom and a type of fan labor. The genre has been active since the early 1950s, and played primarily since the mid-1970s. The term predates 1955."
[02:08:42] <hexersTSN> teach do not rob knowledge
[02:09:02] <Soapboy> vaguely siounds amiliar
[02:09:08] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN "we don't need no education"
[02:09:23] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN "we don't need no thought control"
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[02:09:40] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN "no dark sarcasm in the classroom"
[02:09:41] <hexersTSN> what do we need
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[02:10:05] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN "Hey, teacher!  Leave the kids alone!"
[02:10:30] <hexersTSN> ok ok
[02:10:57] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN do you even know where these classic lines are from?  In terms of album, artist, and year?
[02:11:20] <hexersTSN> yes sir what a bout u/
[02:11:34] <Sir_Designer> then tell us
[02:11:34] <hexersTSN> they are english
[02:11:35] <hexersTSN> lol
[02:11:49] <Sir_Designer> Indeed, they are from Surrey
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[02:12:09] <hexersTSN> the queens so call lover
[02:12:26] <hexersTSN> gossip by historians
[02:12:31] <geniice> pink floyd
[02:12:47] <Sir_Designer> geniice very musch so.   sort of late Floyd.
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[02:13:03] <hexersTSN> lol to late i should say
[02:13:04] * MJ94 waves
[02:14:22] * Sir_Designer "Waving, not Drowning"
[02:14:32] <Sir_Designer> to keep on the English beat.
[02:14:46] <hexersTSN> i need to go sleep
[02:15:09] <hexersTSN> when will class be dismiss
[02:15:38] <Sir_Designer> Dis Miss seyz the class is Over.  Crimson and Clover, over and over.
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[02:16:55] <hexersTSN> well have a gr8 night sir
[02:17:45] <Sir_Designer> I will extract all due greatness from the morrow, instead.   Night light, kind sir.  Do not vomit into the pillow.
[02:18:00] <hexersTSN> anyone wants a magic dragon
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[02:18:45] <hexersTSN> poor teach having panic attacks
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[02:20:46] <Sir_Designer> geniice http://www.poetryfoundation.org/learning/poem/175778
[02:20:59] <hexersTSN> boring
[02:20:59] <Sir_Designer> hexersTSN click play button ^^^
[02:21:33] <hexersTSN> indeed i will
[02:22:32] <geniice> not a fan of poetry in general
[02:22:56] <hexersTSN> ney says I
[02:23:08] <Sir_Designer> geniice but this is mercifully extremely short, and well read.  And England.
[02:23:12] <geniice> youtube is trying to sell me match.com
[02:23:24] <geniice> Sir_Designer doesn't sound english
[02:23:47] <Sir_Designer> Stevie Smith is completely English.  THe lady lector may well be a merkin
[02:24:00] <geniice> might be mid atlantic
[02:24:10] <Sir_Designer> Hull
[02:24:16] <hexersTSN> geniice would u like to meet my magic dragon
[02:24:27] <geniice> and the last good english poet was bonus
[02:24:30] <geniice> Bonus
[02:24:37] <geniice> do you know why he was good?
[02:24:55] <hexersTSN> puff the magic dragon live by the see
[02:25:11] <geniice> None of his poems survive. In fact nothing survives apart from his name
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[02:25:31] <geniice> and that was only because a gaulish writer thought it was funny
[02:26:38] <Sir_Designer> geniice I was damn right, Kingston upon Hull.   Just a lucky guess.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Smith
[02:27:32] <geniice> if she was any good she would have written progressive metal lyrics
[02:27:48] <Sir_Designer> she died in 71
[02:28:21] <Sir_Designer> but her readers may well have gone on to progressive speed metal, or folk viking metal
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[02:29:22] <Sir_Designer> this is her most famous poem, by hte way
[02:29:29] <geniice> yes I see
[02:30:25] <Sir_Designer> "She was never sentimental, undercutting any pathetic effects with the ruthless honesty of her humour.[4]"
[02:30:33] <Sir_Designer> I guess that is a very metal ethos.
[02:30:50] <Sir_Designer> except for Nightwish.  THey are brooding and sentimental.
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[02:31:06] <geniice> Dito five finger death punch
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[02:32:17] <geniice> hmm looks like no one has created a heavy metal cover yet
[02:32:41] <Soapboy> of anything?
[02:34:17] <Sir_Designer> no, geniice meant Stevie Swith's famous poem
[02:34:27] <Sir_Designer> Smith's
[02:34:45] <Sir_Designer>  http://www.poetryfoundation.org/learning/poem/175778
[02:35:31] <Sir_Designer> actually, that is a bit surprising, considering how many woman-voiced folk metal bands are around....
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[02:37:13] <Sir_Designer> geniice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZNvQXNJAcU     here is a first cut
[02:37:26] <Sir_Designer> and the lector is English, Essex to my ear
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[02:37:57] <Schroeder> Yadi is seriously the greatest catcher ever
[02:39:04] <Sir_Designer> geniice  and here is analysis, by an English Irish-sounding man  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCnDgBre-k8
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[02:52:12] <geniice> so competitive gamers are on Adderall. What are wikipedians on?
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[02:54:07] <GEOFBOT|verybusy> geniice: nothing, wikipedia by itself is good enough
[02:55:45] <MJ94> geniice: caffiene.
[02:55:51] <MJ94> caffeine*
[02:55:54] <geniice> same here
[02:57:32] <GEOFBOT|verybusy> meh, not that into caffeine
[02:57:39] <GEOFBOT|verybusy> drank a coffee once and went berserk
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[03:01:44] <MJ94> GEOFBOT|verybusy: nor am I
[03:02:29] <Sir_Designer> geniice wikipedia editing, especially at measurable and sustained abandonment of sleep usually ends up in a psychosis hospitalization for a large fraction of wikipediankind, methinks.
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[03:06:05] <Sir_Designer> ...so here is some profilactic soothing music, 12 minutes +-worth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA88AS6Wy_4      Gregorio Allegri: Miserere  (polyphonic choral)
[03:08:51] <geniice> got to restart
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[03:16:23] <{Soap}> m cutting back a bit on coffeee
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[03:16:34] <{Soap}> i got a kind i dont like very much. not as much interested in drinking it
[03:16:46] <{Soap}> it might actually be a blessing
[03:18:28] <{Soap}> i was drinking 8 cups of coffee every morning. now just like 5
[03:18:56] <{Soap}> by 8 cups i mean i would fill the coffeepot up and guzzle it all at once
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[03:28:43] <git> i guess that's better than pop
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[03:29:01] <D|S-Blunt> Wikipedia is for faggots.
[03:29:24] <{Soap}> oh hi D|S-Blunt
[03:29:44] <{Soap}> well, Wikipedia is for everyone
[03:29:52] <foks> I suppose you could look up faggots on Wikipedia
[03:29:56] <foks> they're great with gravy
[03:30:13] <foks> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)
[03:30:15] <{Soap}> ha
[03:30:24] <{Soap}> i didnt expect it to have so many meanings
[03:30:45] <{Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_Hill <-- hmm
[03:30:51] <{Soap}> are they really still calling it that?
[03:30:55] <Sir_Designer> "Saint Hildegard of Bingen, O.S.B. (German: Hildegard von Bingen; Latin: Hildegardis Bingensis) (1098 – 17 September 1179), also known as Saint Hildegard and Sibyl of the Rhine, was a German writer, composer, philosopher, Christian mystic, Benedictine abbess, visionary, and polymath.[1]"
[03:31:02] <Sir_Designer> wow, this girl rocked!
[03:31:07] <[ceradon]> lol
[03:31:15] <foks> Polymath?
[03:31:21] <foks> These days there's a cream for that
[03:31:28] <Sir_Designer> i guess she was a math genius
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[03:31:51] <{Soap}> we beat the troll
[03:31:54] <Sir_Designer> but she left killer music:
[03:32:12] <Oshwah> Okay so what's with this guy editing this other user's subpage? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/XRighteous
[03:32:17] <Oshwah> WP:SOCK?
[03:32:19] <Sir_Designer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dehwp_dRlYQ    Hildegard von Bingen - Voice of the Living Light
[03:32:21] <{Soap}> wb Oshwah
[03:32:51] <Oshwah> {Soap}: Thank you, sir!
[03:32:53] <Oshwah> :-)
[03:33:18] <{Soap}> No idea.  Often when you see that it's someone innocently not realizing that using two accounts is seen as bad.  However this doesnt look like an example of that becaue the other user has 4000 edits since 2007
[03:33:25] <{Soap}> so she should surely know her away around by now
[03:33:31] <Oshwah> Agreed.
[03:33:41] <Oshwah> And he's been warned about modifying content on that page.
[03:34:27] <comets> meh everyone with an account after 2010 is a sock ;)
[03:34:37] <Keilana> hildegard was a motherfucking genius
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[03:35:55] <{Soap}> i only know about Hildegarrd because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_Ignota
[03:36:13] <Oshwah> lol
[03:36:28] <Oshwah> hi comets. Long time no see!
[03:36:33] <Sir_Designer> that's still more than I knew.  Now I want to fish through RSes for History of Math
[03:36:47] <comets> o/
[03:39:06] <{Soap}> i have no idea what music was like in the year 1151
[03:39:35] <[ceradon]> "Another one every minute" seems to be the story of ANI tonight.
[03:39:54] <Sir_Designer> {Soap} Keilana  oh that is for certain, but I want to learn more about what she came up with, that got remembered anyway
[03:40:18] <Keilana> she jump-started the 12th century renaissance
[03:40:46] <Keilana> also innovated medicine with techniques and medications and herbs and such that would last till the 19th-20th century, some of which are still useful and used today
[03:41:02] <Keilana> also she lived to be like 90, in the abbey she built herself
[03:41:13] <{Soap}> thats impressive
[03:41:17] <Keilana> and she managed to save copies of all the stuff she wrote and made sure it would survive her
[03:41:18] <Keilana> medieval BADASSERY
[03:41:25] <Keilana> Hildegard is the best
[03:41:58] <Sir_Designer> this music I linked is like hour plus, and I have to say I am enjoying it wholly
[03:45:29] <{Soap}> <git> i guess that's better than pop <-- eh, actually ive subsituted Dr Pepper for some of the coffee
[03:45:35] <Oshwah> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=671505252 - Nice....
[03:45:56] <{Soap}> gmm
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[03:46:55] <{Soap}> i dunno what to think of that
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[03:48:47] <{Soap}> aww
[03:48:48] <{Soap}> i pung out
[03:49:15] <git> did you?
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[03:50:54] <Sir_Designer> Keilana sounds like you are familiar with our article about her, but have you seen this map from there?  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hildegard_map.jpg    It says she would go on preaching tours through that land.
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[04:01:32] <git> GorillaWarfare: so i just have to say that i've been watching twitter and you're kinda kicking ass a lot
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[04:04:42] <git> (that's probably really creepy but i promise i'm not a super terrible person or anything. on a scale from 1-10, 1 being flawless, perfect human, i'd put myself at a 7.5 maybe)
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[04:10:02] <Sir_Designer> git tell us, so we can enjoy GW's artful ways
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[04:15:56] <Sir_Designer> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Meister_des_Hildegardis-Codex_004.jpg
[04:16:38] <Sir_Designer> that right bottom quadrant depiction is unsettling, to say the least......  small multiple people clammoring out of the phrophetess' mouth
[04:16:53] <Sir_Designer> SigmaWP you around, here is a good thing you could do
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[04:17:20] <Sir_Designer> ....that media has only a German language description.   You could add English,
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[04:36:26] <{Soap}> sighh
[04:36:33] <{Soap}> i want my office installer
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[04:43:44] <TrueCRaysball> Is it just my browser or are some infoboxes not center justified on text anymore?
[04:47:46] <Soap2> lionk?
[04:47:58] <Soap2> i cant imagine a browser would do that
[04:48:41] <Oshwah> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ABrownbrunonian&type=revision&diff=671511612&oldid=671511595 - WP:SOCK?
[04:49:33] <Sir_Designer> SigmaWP I started you on it.   https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Meister_des_Hildegardis-Codex_004.jpg&action=history
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[04:51:26] <Oshwah> Sigh... I'm thinking about applying for RFA. Not sure if I should.
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[04:55:02] <Soap2> yeah cant hurt
[04:55:21] <TrueCRaysball> Soap2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_American_League_Championship_Series
[04:55:22] <Soap2> read throuighj the last 20 or so RFA's looking for ways you might trip up
[04:55:28] <Soap2> and then make sure you dont o any of those things
[04:55:50] <Oshwah> I have, and I don't think I'd fall into those (except article creation).
[04:55:51] <Soap2> TrueCRaysball : oh hmm
[04:56:03] <Soap2> for me the *image* isnt centered, but the heading text is
[04:56:09] <Bsadowski1> TrueCRaysball
[04:56:15] <Bsadowski1> ^__^^
[04:56:18] <Soap2> let me to other compuer
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[04:56:34] <Oshwah> I'm not uncivil, I've never been blocked, don't have anything (that I can think of) that would be a big red flag.
[04:56:40] <TrueCRaysball> the image isn't centered, and the text "2014 World Series" at the bottom of the infobox, Soap2, should be centered too but isn't
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[04:57:01] <TrueCRaysball> same with the navigation between years right above that
[04:57:24] <Oshwah> Maybe little mistakes with fighting vandalism, etc? But nothing big...
[04:57:40] <{Soap}> oh ok  iddint realize that
[04:57:46] <{Soap}> ok well yeah i see the same as you yeah
[04:57:59] <TrueCRaysball> Did someone mess up some css somewhere?
[04:58:01] <{Soap}> its probably some obscure template issue
[04:58:08] <TrueCRaysball> Because i see no changes to the templates
[04:58:18] <[ceradon]> http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8967321/nosferatu-director-head-stolen-from-grave <<< Creepy as hell.
[04:58:46] <[ceradon]> Decent people don't do that.
[04:59:05] <TrueCRaysball> I had to add some code to [[Template:Infobox Wrestling event]] to fix it there too: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Wrestling_event&diff=669802150&oldid=663036065
[04:59:16] <Oshwah> Not creepy at all...
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[05:00:35] <[ceradon]> Someone digging up the grave of a director who just happened to make one of the most memorable horror films of all time, and stealing is head for no apparent reason isn't creepy?
[05:00:45] <[ceradon]> his*
[05:01:22] <ZeroSerenity_> Wow. I really get annoyed how often this happens... https://account.xbox.com/en-us/screenshot/e04b1aeb-09f7-4bfb-9c04-ea90adcf938f?gamerTag=Zero%20S%20Serenity&scid=7d0597d8-2113-423a-9e4f-ed725b9d43ba
[05:01:37] <poutine> It's tough for me to accept that there's people out there spending their time chronicling fake wrestling events
[05:01:47] <[ceradon]> In other news, Reddit is about to sink: http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/15/8967477/doxxing-reddit-yishan-wong-ellen-pao-steve-huffman-alexis-ohanian
[05:02:01] <[ceradon]> It will be turned into another Digg.
[05:02:10] <TrueCRaysball> {Soap}: digging through css and modules now to see if I can find the culprit.
[05:02:13] <Oshwah> [ceradon]: It's like Myspace in 2005.
[05:02:22] <[ceradon]> The king is dead, long live the king.
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[05:02:30] <Oshwah> Something better will take over, then nobody will even know what it is in a year or two.
[05:02:39] <[ceradon]> Wonder what the next Reddit will be like.
[05:03:00] <Oshwah> Yahoo -> AskJeeves -> AOL -> dogpile -> ?? -> Google
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[05:03:53] <Oshwah> It's all a cycle.
[05:04:18] <{Soap}> just me personally, i hated AskJeeves from the moment I heard of it and never wavered in that sentiment
[05:04:37] <[ceradon]> Heuhue.
[05:04:38] <Oshwah> Make something better -> People join -> Servers grow -> Need $$$ and ads -> Do something derp -> people hate you -> Someone gets and idea and starts a site -> Make something better -> ......
[05:04:43] <{Soap}> Dogpile was the first search engine I used and I loved it until I finally admitted Google was better
[05:05:04] <Oshwah> Yahoo was mine.
[05:05:08] <{Soap}> not that i was ever anti-Google, i just was used to using dogpile
[05:05:22] <Oshwah> It's hard to change something you're familiar with.
[05:05:46] <Oshwah> I'm still on AOL 4.0 - 56K v92 modem for the win.
[05:05:55] <Oshwah> (j/k)
[05:06:33] <Oshwah> Speaking of AOL... man, how many times you could coat the entire planet with those free trial CD's they used to give out.
[05:06:48] <[ceradon]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Muhammad_ibn_al_Uthaymeen <<< This is a sad state of affairs.
[05:06:50] <geniice> none as far as I'm aware
[05:06:58] <[ceradon]> Harassment at its worst.
[05:06:59] <geniice> BTW the internet archive is collecting them
[05:07:00] <{Soap}> i remember when it was floppies
[05:07:15] <{Soap}> then it went to a CD to show how modern they were even though the CD contained a setup file of only 2 MB
[05:07:25] <Oshwah> RPP for that article?
[05:07:32] <Oshwah> It looks fine; what's the need for RPP?
[05:07:48] <Oshwah> Oh, those 1.44 inch floppies...
[05:07:55] <Oshwah> AOL 3.0 - Windows 95.
[05:07:57] <Oshwah> Those were the days.
[05:08:22] <Oshwah>  /facepalm
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[05:09:16] <TrueCRaysball> I can't find it! -.-
[05:09:33] <Oshwah> [ceradon]: By the way, congrats on the RFA.
[05:09:43] <[ceradon]> Thank you :-)
[05:11:02] <[ceradon]> Come to think of it, I don't believe there is an effective way to deal with harassment, is there?
[05:11:21] <[ceradon]> All an admin can do is block and protect whenever it comes up.
[05:11:53] <[ceradon]> But when _every_ article you edit is attacked by a bunch of IPs, what do we do then?
[05:12:21] <Oshwah> [ceradon]: Yes, in a technical standpoint.
[05:13:00] <Oshwah> But if they're similar edits to each article that you've edited and multiple times...
[05:13:12] <Oshwah> Get an SPI going if the edits are similar.
[05:13:33] <[ceradon]> Rangeblock?
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[05:13:47] <Oshwah> [ceradon]: If they're all under the same range, then yes.
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[05:15:47] <Oshwah> If not, then consider SPI if they're all making similar edits and performing typical SOCK behavior.
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[05:16:55] <Oshwah> It's a different case with IP's than users... SPI might not help. lol
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[05:17:16] <Oshwah> Just trying to go with the theory of your situation.
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[05:18:30] <Oshwah> Your theoretical situation is a good one though.
[05:18:38] <[ceradon]> But that all boils down to blocking/protecting.
[05:18:47] <Oshwah> Really it does.
[05:18:58] <Oshwah> No users, all IP's, harrassing someone.
[05:18:58] <[ceradon]> It may well not be a theoretical situation.
[05:19:28] <[ceradon]> There are well over ten thousand editors who edit regularly.
[05:19:45] <[ceradon]> And thousands upon thousands more who edit as an IP.
[05:19:45] <Oshwah> If it's clear that the purpose of the edits from IP's is to harrass, maybe one warning is necessary, then block.
[05:19:50] <Oshwah> Truth
[05:20:10] <Oshwah> Blocking does not require that each person has been warned 4+ times beforehand.
[05:20:54] <Oshwah> If the situation warrants it, squeeze the block trigger if it's unambiguous and blatant enough.
[05:20:54] <Eatmeimaredbean> Thats always how I do it: I only go to arv after 4 warns
[05:21:08] <[ceradon]> Surely _someone_ at the WMF must have thought of it as an eventuality that in a community as fractious and quarelsome as ours, there needs to be more stringent measures to combat harassment.
[05:21:42] <[ceradon]> Thereis only so much our current system would allow.
[05:22:15] <Oshwah> IMO, if it's beyond childish things or anything you could AGF in your mind... if blocking the IP without warning is a benefit given clear evidence of the intent to harm, it's up to common sense and admin discression.
[05:22:37] <Oshwah> Of course, I'm talking about harrassment and other serious matters.
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[05:23:37] <[ceradon]> To lighten the topic, I give you: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kris_Humphries&diff=prev&oldid=671514516.
[05:23:57] <[ceradon]> That made me laugh; is that wrong?
[05:24:14] <Oshwah> Ha. No. I laugh at some vandalism too.
[05:24:20] <Oshwah> And (of course) revert after.
[05:24:25] <Sir_Designer> TrueCRaysball I downloaded that image.  you know, it has padding on its sides.  you may be seeing that interacting weirdly, not any lack of or extra centering on the part of the template codde for texts
[05:25:01] <Sir_Designer> as control, include in a sandbox some known picture, like a headshot, instead
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[05:25:22] <Oshwah> Some High Schoolers are creative with their immature edits. lol
[05:25:29] <Clarkcj> ping [ceradon]
[05:25:29] <[ceradon]> Indeed.
[05:25:32] <[ceradon]> Yes?
[05:25:57] <Clarkcj> Hey, [ceradon] I am not quite sure but I think this whole article might be a copyvio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliane_Lust
[05:26:14] <Clarkcj> http://elianelust.com/eliane_lust_bio.pdf
[05:26:22] * [ceradon] looks
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[05:26:59] <Clarkcj> Because a lot of it seems to very closely match what is in that pdf. Also I noticed the article has been around for some time, since 2011
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[05:27:30] <[ceradon]> This is lazy work right here: http://www.mtv.com/artists/eliane-lust/
[05:27:34] <Sir_Designer> Clarkcj [ceradon] lots of sites like last.fm include wikipedia texts verbatim, so... this is mtv, right?  if the shoe fits...
[05:28:30] <Clarkcj> Yep, I noticed that Sir_Designer so sites that use wikipedia texts verbatim aren't really reliable either.
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[05:29:16] <Sir_Designer> and some musicians use their wikipedia blps directly
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[05:30:00] <[ceradon]> What. The. Fuck.
[05:30:15] <TrueCRaysball> Sir_Designer: I cropped the image myself, I know what it has, and prior to a few weeks ago, it centered just fine.
[05:30:23] <[ceradon]> The article was ceated by a presumably experienced editor now.
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[05:31:47] <Clarkcj> That is true, that is one reason I just kind of would like an admin to review it just to make sure, As it *may* be a copyvio. And was that way since 2011 when the article was created.
[05:32:17] <[ceradon]> Well Eliane Lust is definitely a copyvio. No question about it.
[05:32:19] <Eatmeimaredbean> The most inactive times of this IRC channel are around midnight and 7-8am UTC.
[05:32:25] <Clarkcj> And with what looks like it may be copy paste with some modifications.
[05:33:10] <Clarkcj> Okay, what do you suggest doing [ceradon]?
[05:33:28] <[ceradon]> Eloi, eloi, lama sabacthani.
[05:33:46] <Clarkcj> huh?
[05:33:51] <[ceradon]> Lastnight, I found a hoax, and I was kept up for hours figuring that ou.
[05:33:53] <[ceradon]> Now.
[05:34:19] <[ceradon]> I just ran a copyvio program over several of this user's creations. Coming back copyvios.
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[05:34:52] <Clarkcj> Wow.
[05:35:06] <Eatmeimaredbean> I have been bold and G12'd it.
[05:35:29] <[ceradon]> Not so fast.
[05:36:08] <Eatmeimaredbean> "Be bold" ringt?
[05:36:30] <[ceradon]> Well, yes. But, the article topic appears to be notable. Wikipedia should keep everything notable, for the benefit of our readers. As for the copyvio, that must go.
[05:37:03] <Eatmeimaredbean> Ok how about replacing it with a copyvio tag
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[05:37:50] <[ceradon]> Yeah, sounds good. While I try and figure this out.
[05:38:36] <Clarkcj> Funny enough I just found the page by clicking random page.
[05:39:32] <Eatmeimaredbean> I once got an article i wrote on random page
[05:40:35] <Eatmeimaredbean> Ok, one last thing: Would international sanctions against apartheid be a good topic to write an article on?
[05:41:40] <Clarkcj> imho it would be, but it would be hard to make neutral as everyone has opinions.
[05:41:47] <Sir_Designer> TrueCRaysball https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mareklug/sandbox
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[05:41:58] <Sir_Designer> clearly something is not centering the picture
[05:42:08] <Sir_Designer> probably a transclusion artifact
[05:42:18] <Clarkcj> So my advice would be to see if you can find a couple editors to work together on it to try to create the article.
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[05:42:32] <Sir_Designer> also, this infobox uses really old syntx for pictures, making me think it is out of kilter
[05:42:38] <Eatmeimaredbean> I've requested it on the ZA wikiproject
[05:42:54] <TrueCRaysball> I'll take a look at the code.
[05:43:35] <Sir_Designer> ideally, TrueCRaysball you use syntax like this in contemporary infoboxes:     |image = blah.jpg
[05:43:57] <Sir_Designer> no File: and certainly no https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%20%20%20   or |248px
[05:44:06] <Sir_Designer> [ [    ] ]  i meant
[05:44:50] <TrueCRaysball> I have some work on the MLB-related templates to do anyway. I'll add this update to my to do list
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[05:50:43] <Sir_Designer> Eatmeimaredbean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinvestment_from_South_Africa    see also    section
[05:51:09] <Sir_Designer> #See also   ;)
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[05:53:39] <{soap|bed}> http://s3.amazonaws.com/inarticles/3acbc64200e6adff7913343129fddd5e.png
[05:53:45] <{soap|bed}> Oregon is surprisingly affordable
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[05:54:26] <Sir_Designer> why is Virginia expensive?  that has to be near-DC phenomenon spilling across the rest
[05:54:39] <Sir_Designer> oregon is deserts
[05:54:50] <{soap|bed}> Oregon is cheaper than Oklahoma
[05:55:20] <Clarkcj> [ceradon]: any luck in figuring it out?
[05:55:44] <{soap|bed}> and yeah I suspect Virginia's 114 score is an average of like 200 in the north and 80 in most of the rest of the state
[05:55:53] <Sir_Designer> I'm not so sure about OK.  Much of it is Indian reservations, so are those properly taken into account?
[05:55:56] <[ceradon]> I'm opening a contributor copyright investigation. Look at this fucking madness: http://tools.wmflabs.org/contributionsurveyor/survey.php?user=BrendelSignature
[05:55:59] <Sir_Designer> or excluded?
[05:56:00] <[ceradon]> nonsenseferret, not that.
[05:56:05] <[ceradon]> Geesh
[05:56:19] <[ceradon]> I meant this: http://tools.wmflabs.org/contributionsurveyor/survey.php?user=BrendelSignature
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[05:56:40] <[ceradon]> Sorry nonsenseferret, nickname autocomple :'(
[05:56:50] <[ceradon]> autocomplete*
[05:56:54] <[ceradon]> I'm tired.
[05:57:38] <[ceradon]> Anyway, we have a former admin that has a massive amount of copyright violations going for him.
[05:58:00] <[ceradon]> Everywhere I look, there is a copyvio.
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[05:58:16] <Clarkcj> Wow.
[06:00:22] <{soap|bed}> i wonder why he resigned as admin
[06:01:06] <comets> BrendelSignature is a former admin? O_O
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[06:02:36] <{soap|bed}> looks like he left quietly without giving a reason.  Thus, he could still get adminship back without a new RFA
[06:03:40] <Sir_Designer> {soap|bed} relax, {soap|bed}. he will not know his behind from a fiery hole in hte ground once [ceradon] gets some sleep and then drags him over the wikicoals
[06:03:48] <Sir_Designer> :|
[06:04:02] <comets> Commons admins prefer to go out with a big bang :P
[06:04:32] <{soap|bed}> a while back someone tried to run for adminship while a Copyright Investigation on them was going.  It didnt go very well
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[06:06:32] <{soap|bed}> yeah hes probably gone
[06:06:57] <{soap|bed}> he edited a bit after he was desysopped, didnt seem to care
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[06:07:29] <{soap|bed}> wait no
[06:07:31] <{soap|bed}> i misread
[06:08:14] <Clarkcj> It does look like BrendelSignature  hasn't edited though since 2013
[06:09:03] <Clarkcj> But anyways doesn't matter.
[06:09:09] <{soap|bed}> they send out a bunch of emails before the desysop anyone, so if he at least checks his email he's had plenty of warning
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[06:28:18] <[ceradon]> CCI added.
[06:28:47] <Clarkcj> ok
[06:29:05] <[ceradon]> I'll let the copyright experts handle that.
[06:29:45] <{soap|bed}> oh wow tha tool is powerful
[06:30:07] <[ceradon]> What is?
[06:30:30] <[ceradon]> Clarkcj, as for the Eliane Lust article, I'm going to put it up for AfD.
[06:30:35] <{soap|bed}> sorry
[06:30:36] <{soap|bed}> https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Eliane+Lust&oldid=&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Felianelust.com%2Feliane_lust_bio.pdf
[06:30:47] <[ceradon]> On a second look, doesn't look notable.
[06:30:53] <{soap|bed}> ^^^^^^^that tool is pretty powerful
[06:30:59] <[ceradon]> Yeah, Earwig is good like that.
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[06:31:31] <Earwig> <3
[06:31:54] <[ceradon]> lol
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[06:32:02] <Earwig> how's it going?
[06:32:07] <[ceradon]> Pretty good.
[06:32:11] <Earwig> cool, cool
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[06:45:57] <[ceradon]> Wait, {soap|bed}, do you think I should just delete this as G12: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliane_Lust?
[06:46:39] <[ceradon]> I don't think it's notable.
[06:46:46] <[ceradon]> Not worth saving.
[06:46:58] <[ceradon]> So I'm answering my own question, aren't I?
[06:47:34] <{soap|bed}> Im not a good judge of the qualiuty of an article
[06:47:39] <{soap|bed}> Im not the best to ask
[06:48:06] <{soap|bed}> to be honest, i dont know what G12 even is, unless its "blatant copyright infringement" in which case I'd agree
[06:48:14] <{soap|bed}> i never memorized the numbers
[06:48:17] <{soap|bed}> i just use links when i need to
[06:48:46] <{soap|bed}> ok yewah G12 means copyvio
[06:49:06] <{soap|bed}> theres at lewast a chance someone might want to rewrite it
[06:49:24] <{soap|bed}> I'd say let the AFD run and see if anyone thinks its notable
[06:50:28] <Sir_Designer> [ceradon] g12 would be a simple copy and paste copyvio, but here the tool shows the editor camouflaged his borrowings.
[06:51:17] <Sir_Designer> you suppose the pdf was written after our article?
[06:53:14] <{soap|bed}> well the earliest diff of the article is a pretty classic example
[06:53:16] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eliane_Lust&oldid=449667908
[06:53:28] <{soap|bed}> of something that is copypasted from soemwhere else
[06:54:00] <{soap|bed}> e.g. links only near the top of the page, formatting errors, and of course, not a single reference
[06:54:28] <[ceradon]> I'm gonna hit the hay.
[06:54:36] <[ceradon]> Or...
[06:54:38] <[ceradon]> Not yet.
[06:54:46] * [ceradon] is true Wikipediaholic
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[06:55:00] <[ceradon]> Let me check AIV, etc. before i go.
[06:55:01] <{soap|bed}> oh wow. also it was entirely pre-spaced
[06:55:13] <{soap|bed}> thats wht the link to Gys
[06:55:19] <{soap|bed}> *Gyorgy Sebok
[06:55:23] <{soap|bed}> was broken
[06:55:26] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eliane_Lust&action=edit&oldid=449667908
[06:55:34] <{soap|bed}> definitely copypastedc=
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[06:56:15] <{soap|bed}> oddl,y though, could be coppasted from another wiki, since it has malformed categories at the bottom
[06:56:36] <{soap|bed}> anzyway IM going to try to slepee now too
[06:56:41] <{soap|bed}> g;night
[06:57:07] <Sir_Designer> as will I.  night night.
[06:57:37] <[ceradon]> Goodnight everyone.
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[07:10:38] <Eatmeimaredbean> [ceradon] Have commented and encourage everyone else to comment at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Eliane_Lust.
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[11:51:46] <comets> un watch button on lupins popups no longer works :/
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[12:48:46] <kingturtle> gmorning
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[12:53:17] <Eatmeimaredbean> mornin
[12:58:15] <kingturtle> i wanted to get some input regarding a particular way Wikipedia is sometimes used these days. It used to be that first and foremost, Wikipedia was an encyclopedia. And We weren't supposed to include future events or count downs to events in articles. Has that policy or norm changed?
[12:59:43] <Eatmeimaredbean> i used to not understand why you shouldnt cite Wikipedia. now i finally understand
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[13:04:31] <kingturtle> why who shouldn't cite Wikipedia?
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[13:08:14] <thehumanslayer12> :o
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[13:08:49] <Eatmeimaredbean> college papers
[13:08:53] <RD> Because it's unreliable
[13:08:59] <RD> You should cite the sources at the botom.
[13:09:03] <RD> bottom*
[13:09:10] <Eatmeimaredbean> Yeah well my lit teacher always said that
[13:09:17] <kingturtle> Oh college papers? You shouldn't even cite Encyclopedia Brittanica
[13:09:37] <Eatmeimaredbean> Or any general purpose ref work
[13:09:50] <kingturtle> Not because Wikipedia is unreliable, but because it is an encyclopedia. You should never cite encyclopedias
[13:10:05] <Eatmeimaredbean> But dont uni libraries keep journals?
[13:10:16] <kingturtle> Encyclopedias are a starting point for research, not an end point
[13:10:28] <Eatmeimaredbean> You gotta look at the sources
[13:10:39] <kingturtle> What do journals have to do with this?
[13:10:48] <Eatmeimaredbean> Science journals?
[13:11:19] <kingturtle> Peer reviewed science journals are perfectly fine to cite
[13:11:42] <Eatmeimaredbean> But thx for a great way to rebuff my lit teacher
[13:12:20] <kingturtle> wait, how have we rebuffed your lit teacher?
[13:13:58] <Eatmeimaredbean> a person tells you you cant go a mile, you explain to him why you cant go a half
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[13:16:04] <Eatmeimaredbean> also I think you did the whole explaining
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[13:27:43] <Eatmeimaredbean> ping kingturtle
[13:28:34] <kingturtle> your lit teacher said not to cite Wikipedia, and I agreed. I just don't know where the rebuff comes in
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[13:43:32] <Krauss64> Hello!
[13:43:46] <Krauss64> What is in Pluto's core?
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[13:47:44] <Eatmeimaredbean> http://xkcd.com/1551/
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[13:49:23] <Krauss64> Is it healthy to die?
[13:50:06] <Eatmeimaredbean> Well that wouldnt even be a question
[13:50:28] <Eatmeimaredbean> Its like asking "Is it a blank piece of paper black?"
[13:51:04] <Krauss64> But your health is pure.
[13:51:15] <Krauss64> You're not unhelthy.
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[13:51:20] <Krauss64> *unhealthy
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[13:51:33] <Krauss64> You're not sick.
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[13:52:01] <Eatmeimaredbean> The point of health is to stay alive w/o diseases
[13:52:23] <Eatmeimaredbean> but dont interpret this as being against euthanasia
[13:53:37] <Krauss64> No, halth only refers to things that can harm the body.
[13:53:45] <Krauss64> But not necessarily being alive.
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[13:58:29] <Eatmeimaredbean> You should only consider euthanasia when "alive" and "disease" are mutually exclusive
[13:58:33] <kingturtle> hmmm. if a black piece of paper has no marks on it, isn't it blank?
[13:58:50] <Krauss64> I guess you're right. What would happen if you inhaled gas Einsteinium?
[13:58:56] <Eatmeimaredbean> Semantically, no.
[13:59:27] <Krauss64> Would it be healthy?
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[14:02:07] <Krauss64> Excuse me?
[14:03:30] <Krauss64> What would happen if you juxtapositioned yourself with someone else?
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[14:10:52] <Krauss64> Can death die?
[14:11:17] <Krauss64> If death dies; what can die after it?
[14:11:43] <Krauss64> Can death cease to exist? Does death even exist? Is death theconcept of absence of life?
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[14:24:29] <marktraceur> Krauss64: Death isn't a life form. Your question is silly.
[14:24:40] <Krauss64> No, I don't mean that.
[14:24:42] <marktraceur> Your last question is the only non-silly one.
[14:24:48] <marktraceur> The answer is "yes".
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[14:24:57] <Krauss64> I am asking if death really exists.
[14:25:12] <marktraceur> Krauss64: How deep do you want to go in answering this?
[14:25:23] <marktraceur> Because I could point you to Descartes.
[14:25:27] <Krauss64> But, let's say, there's no life on Neptune. Does that mean there's death on Neptune?
[14:25:43] <marktraceur> In theory, I have no proof that I will ever die, because it has not happened yet.
[14:25:51] <Krauss64> There has been no life on Neptune. Ever. So there cannot be death.
[14:26:03] <JohnFLewis> marktraceur: you're immortal
[14:26:05] <marktraceur> The concept of death as a result of certain actions could simply be a hallucination of mine perpetuated by persistent collective hallucinations.
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[14:26:14] <marktraceur> JohnFLewis: Well, yes, because if I die, you will all cease to exist
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[14:26:22] <Krauss64> I cannot be sure that you exist. Or anybody. Just myself.
[14:26:46] <marktraceur> Krauss64: Yes, death is a state change. From life to non-life. So you would need to have life to have death. But that's not really an important distinction.
[14:27:07] <Krauss64> But you said before that death was the absence of life!
[14:27:14] <Krauss64> Therefore, there is death on Neptune.
[14:27:27] <marktraceur> Well, I didn't really check. I think there are two meanings.
[14:27:50] <Krauss64> But there hasn't been any kind of life on the planet either.
[14:27:53] <marktraceur> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/death says it's "the cessation of life" so it's a transition.
[14:28:12] <Krauss64> Oh.
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[14:28:26] <Krauss64> So there has to be life for death to exist?
[14:29:00] <marktraceur> I mean, yes, but again, I don't understand why you would need to make that distinction.
[14:29:12] <Krauss64> What do you mean?
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[14:29:49] <marktraceur> Krauss64: Why do you want to define the prerequisites for death existing? What is the purpose?
[14:30:18] <Krauss64> Oh, nothing. Philosophic curiosity.
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[14:32:04] <marktraceur> Ah.
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[14:35:36] <Krauss64> Can death die?
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[14:35:53] <Krauss64> What's nside a quantum string?
[14:36:06] <Krauss64> What could be in there?
[14:36:12] <marktraceur> Pie.
[14:36:44] <Krauss64> What?
[14:36:46] <Krauss64> Pie?
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[14:37:45] <Krauss64> Pie inside a quantum string?
[14:37:53] <Krauss64> How interesting.
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[14:38:46] <Krauss64> But seriously speaking.
[14:38:55] <Krauss64> What about the interior of a brane?
[14:39:29] <Krauss64> Do branes exist?
[14:39:36] <Krauss64> Are branes separate Universes?
[14:39:47] <Krauss64> Are branes being?
[14:40:09] <Krauss64> Can a brane be justapositioned with another brane?
[14:40:15] <Krauss64> Are branes branes
[14:40:17] <Krauss64> ?
[14:40:48] <GorillaWarfare> Krauss64: I think you're lost; this is a channel for discussing Wikipedia.
[14:40:53] <GorillaWarfare> ##philosophy is over there
[14:41:08] <geniice> Krauss64	 death as a concept can stop when everything else dies and there is no evidence that  quantum strings actually exist
[14:42:04] <Krauss64> But if I die, not everything dies.
[14:42:13] <Krauss64> Therefore, death doesn't exist.
[14:42:22] <Krauss64> We all have to be dead for death to succeed.
[14:42:58] <Krauss64> GorillaWarfare: Your link doesn't work.
[14:43:48] <GorillaWarfare>  /join ##philosophy
[14:44:17] <Krauss64> Where is that?
[14:44:40] <geniice>  /join ##philosophy
[14:44:50] <foks>  /join ##philosophy
[14:45:01] <geniice> type " /join ##philosophy" into your text bar
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[14:46:00] <Krauss64> Ok, I did that.
[14:46:04] <Krauss64> Now what?
[14:46:12] <geniice> hit enter
[14:46:54] <Krauss64> Duh.
[14:47:02] <Krauss64> I know.
[14:47:08] <Krauss64> But now what?
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[14:48:46] <marktraceur> Thank christ
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[14:52:45] <kingturtle> Now what? Hit enter. <------ that's a keeper
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[15:29:00] <darev> Hello!
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[15:39:28] <geniice> hello
[15:40:15] <Sir_Designer> hola
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[15:47:24] <Sir_Designer> geniice did you enjoy yesterday's dive into a real poem?
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[15:49:18] <Sir_Designer> I mean, we are all somewhat 3 sigmas from normal under this wikimedia tree, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie%20Smith certainly would have fit here.
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[15:51:57] <geniice> my outlook on poetry remains generally poor
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[15:54:06] <Sir_Designer> geniice is that an economic assessment?
[15:54:14] <geniice> no
[15:54:35] <Sir_Designer> but you know, generally there is no money in poetry
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[15:55:20] <geniice> Sir_Designer	there are a number of rappers who would claim otherwise
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[15:56:31] <Sir_Designer> geniice I think some things which lie in the way as obstacles of someone keen such as yourself from liking poems is manyfold: a) they are generally too plentiful, b) they are too long, c) it is a hard task to tell the good ones from the bad, such as you just trucked out, rappers.  -- verse vs. poetry / versifiers vs. poets
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[15:57:15] <geniice> Hmmm? there are some rappers who are pretty good poets by most standards
[15:57:41] <Sir_Designer> ...oh, SOME, in the same sense that I celebrate COME singer-songwriters,
[15:57:59] <Sir_Designer> but generally, there is a huge difference between verse and poetry,
[15:58:14] <Sir_Designer> SOME not COME
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[15:59:50] <Sir_Designer> geniice see what I put atop of my user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mareklug
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[16:01:19] <{soap|bed}> wb
[16:01:27] <Krauss64> Excuse me?
[16:01:30] <Sir_Designer> ...and I am afraid, it is the versifiers who make bling, not poets.
[16:01:56] <Krauss64> Have you heard of Garcilaso de la Vega?
[16:02:10] <{soap|bed}> yeah i think i went to high school with him
[16:02:21] <Sir_Designer> Krauss64 please refrain from trolling with truly insipid idiocies.  I read the scrollback and you fell prey to my jaundiced eye.
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[16:03:16] <Krauss64> Wow. You must be very old.
[16:03:20] <Sir_Designer> Krauss64 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcilaso_de_la_Vega_(poet)  oh, this was much much better.  thanks
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[16:03:43] <Krauss64> Hey, what happens if you drink a glass full of the chemichal substance that produces jaundice?
[16:03:54] <Sir_Designer> sigh
[16:03:56] <Krauss64> Would it taste good?
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[16:04:29] <Krauss64> Sir_Designer: Where did I troll someone?
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[16:04:54] <Sir_Designer> "[09:11:31]  <Krauss64>	Can death die?
[16:04:54] <Sir_Designer> [09:11:56]  <Krauss64>	If death dies; what can die after it?
[16:04:54] <Sir_Designer> [09:12:22]  <Krauss64>	Can death cease to exist? Does death even exist? Is death theconcept of absence of life?
[16:04:54] <Sir_Designer> "
[16:05:09] <Krauss64> Yes, where's the problem?
[16:05:21] <Sir_Designer> I am a bit surprised you were not removed from the channel with a swift kick.
[16:05:38] <Krauss64> I haven't offended or insulted anyone.
[16:05:55] <Sir_Designer> that is not the same as trolling insipidly.
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[16:06:06] <Amortias> in answer to your question Krauss64
[16:06:07] <Krauss64> What I did there was not trolling.
[16:06:26] <Amortias> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdHvHony9YA
[16:06:51] <Sir_Designer> Krauss64 if you prefer, you engaged in mendacious sophistry; now, how do you like them apples?
[16:07:21] <Krauss64> Amortias: thanks.
[16:07:46] <Krauss64> Sir_Designer: I don't care. I haven't spammed, flooded or trolled anyone.
[16:08:34] <Sir_Designer> it is my contension that you trolled, and that the channel suffered you like a child.
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[16:08:43] <Sir_Designer> contention *
[16:08:47] <Krauss64> Amortias: but I don't think death works that way.
[16:09:10] <Krauss64> I did not make any childish or immature comments, I believe.
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[16:10:00] <Sir_Designer> Krauss64 Denial is a river in Egypt, if you insist on lowering the level of discourse.
[16:10:11] <Amortias> ok how about we all agree to disagree on whatever it weas that was said as a different opinion and get back to working on improving the encyclopedia?
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[16:10:36] <Amortias> which i hoped was a phrase i never thought id ahve to say
[16:10:48] <Krauss64> Sir_Designer: We weren't talking about geography.
[16:11:02] <Sir_Designer> Amortias I have a standing request to provide English descriptions to a key Commons asset where they are only now figuring in German.  Any takers?
[16:11:49] <Amortias> my comprehension of german allows me to order a beer and tell people im diabetic
[16:12:07] <Krauss64> I see.