Directory:Proabivouac/Orderinchaos&DanielT5&Zivko85

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Suspected sockpuppeteer

Template:User5 ("OIC")

Suspected sockpuppets

Template:User5 ("DT5")
Template:User5 ("Z85")

Evidence

Checkuser

OIC's and Z85's explanations

• OIC: 04:59, 3 August 2007
  • "…I am not a sockpuppeteer…"
  • "…Unfortunately, I chose to allow my friends to use my computer on a number of occasions when they stayed here, and my own addiction to Wikipedia wasn't enough to keep me off it when I was at theirs. I can't recall exact times and dates, but there would have been a few as I do not have a car and User:Zivko85, who lives nearby, often gives me a lift home from places."
  • "DanielT5 once stayed at my house for four days a few months ago when his accommodation arrangements fell through."
• OIC: 05:10, 3 August 2007
  • "I did know about Zivko85's vote before he voted (although it was his choice to place it), I didn't know about DanielT5's (actually was SMSd about it by another contributor while in a lecture at uni). In retrospect there are some things I would seriously have done a lot differently (mainly with regards to who I let use my machine when they visit, which in the case of Zivko85 is rather frequent)"
• OIC: 07:34, 3 August 2007
  • "Obviously the situation which had prevailed until Tuesday or Wednesday, where my friends edited Wikipedia when they visited my house, or vice versa, is now no longer going to be the case, and I feel like an absolute idiot for not thinking of this (especially given I took precautions to ensure my admin rights were not compromised)."
• OIC: 10:18, 6 August 200710:24, 6 August 200710:27, 6 August 2007
  • "Yes, two people edited reasonably often from my computer, and I edited reasonably often from theirs..
  • "yes, it looks damning. But in effect I have imposed my own judgement on my future actions by abstaining from AfDs and other community votes for a period of time and have decided to deny anyone further access to my computer/internet connection if it's to be used"
  • A final note - It's easy to come to the conclusion from the checkuser evidence that I somehow had influence over how other people voted, and/or they voted (a particular way) because I did. In several cases, however, we were directed to particular discussions by unrelated individuals and came to similar conclusions, and in other cases, their ideas actually informed mine. As far as I know, it is not against WP policy to discuss a debate offline, as long as no coordination takes place. Ironically, one log I saw somewhere suggested far more coincidence of votes between myself and another user not considered here, than with either of the two people using my internet connection."
• Z85: 03:44, 3 August 2007
  • "Orderinchaos is a close personal friend of mine."
  • "DanielT5 is my partner (as in we are in a relationship) and presently lives with me. Being a student in from the country, he has no reliable Internet access and usually uses either mine or Orderinchaos's."
  • "We often meet up for lunch, and being only one suburb apart, sometimes spend weekends (and even weeknights) together."

Meatpuppetry or sockpuppetry?

"I have but one further question, if you'll indulge me, Orderinchaos: granting that DanielT5 and Zivko85 are individuals distinct from one another and from you, was there any time at which you'd posted under their usernames, or any time when one of them might have posted under yours?"08:40, 7 August 2007
This question remains unanswered.

Alleged misconduct

Vote stacking

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Orderinchaos

• OIC accepts nomination: 07:44, 6 March 2007
• DT5 supports: 08:25, 6 March 200708:43, 6 March 200717:01, 8 March 2007

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Wikidudeman

• OIC supports: 06:10, 30 July 2007
• Z85 supports: 07:36, 31 July 2007

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 2

• OIC opposes: 18:55, 28 July 2007
• Z85 opposes: 08:00, 31 July 2007
• DT5 opposes: 04:22, 1 August 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion

Orderinchaos wrote, "Also, any WP policies and guidelines applying to actions taken on a user relate to two things - the level of damage or disruption caused, and the concept of a preventative rather than punitive measure. The former, as a few people have already highlighted, affected a small number of AfDs…"10:18, 6 August 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carlingford Court

• OIC votes to keep: 13:21, 6 February 2007
• DT5 votes to keep: 13:43, 9 February 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westfield North Rocks

• OIC votes to keep: 15:20, 6 February 2007
• DT5 votes to keep: 13:53, 9 February 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Hoodoo Voodoo Dolls

• OIC votes to delete: 09:30, 7 February 2007
• DT5 votes to delete: 13:57, 9 February 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Brisbane suburbs

• OIC votes to keep: 09:44, 7 February 2007
• DT5 votes to keep: 13:55, 9 February 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Courtney Murphy

• DT5 votes to delete: 14:01, 9 February 2007
• DT5 modifies statement per Random26's merge and redirect:14:05, 9 February 2007
• OIC votes to merge and redirect per Random26: 03:17, 10 February 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Mitchell

• OIC votes to merge and redirect: 03:16, 10 February 2007
• DT5 votes to merge and redirect: 14:04, 10 February 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Railpage Australia (2)

• OIC votes to keep: 14:20, 1 March 2007
• DT5 votes to keep: 08:21, 6 March 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/78 Records (2nd nomination)

• OIC votes to keep: 08:40, 2 March 2007
• DT5 votes to keep: 15:45, 5 March 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Western Australian JSHAA Member Schools

• OIC votes to merge and redirect: 09:48, 5 March 2007
• DT5 votes to delete: 15:40, 5 March 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of South Australian JSHAA Member Schools

• OIC votes to merge and redirect: 12:47, 5 March 2007
• DT5 votes to delete or merge and redirect: 15:41, 5 March 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Victorian JSHAA Member Schools

• OIC votes to merge and redirect: 12:47, 5 March 2007
• DT5 votes to delete or merge and redirect: 15:43, 5 March 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aquinas College Salter Point Campus

• DT5 nominates for deletion: 15:19, 15 March 2007
• OIC votes to delete: 15:31, 15 March 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rosetta Stoned

• OIC votes to delete: 16:40, 6 March 2007
• DT5 votes to delete: 12:26, 7 March 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Mars Bar

• OIC nominates for deletion: 14:00, 18 March 2007
• DT5 votes to delete: 14:27, 18 March 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Australian general election campaign, 2006

• DT5 nominates for deletion: 03:16, 7 April 2007
• OIC votes to delete: 04:55, 7 April 200705:01, 7 April 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Western Australian general election campaign, 2005

• DT5 nominates for deletion: 03:33, 7 April 2007
• OIC votes to delete: 05:00, 7 April 2007
• OIC changes to merge: 03:16, 8 April 200710:44, 10 April 2007
• DT5 changes to merge: 01:24, 15 April 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Out Now Consulting (2nd Nomination)

• OIC votes to delete: 18:28, 19 May 2007
• DT5 votes to delete: 04:38, 21 May 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sally Sara

• OIC comments leaning towards keep: 07:23, 20 May 2007
• Z85 votes to keep: 12:51, 23 May 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Vicary

• OIC nominates for deletion: 17:44, 20 May 2007
• DT5 votes to delete: 04:34, 21 May 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 12:45, 23 May 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Visevic

• OIC votes to delete: 17:49, 20 May 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 12:47, 23 May 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Arrigo

• OIC votes to delete: 19:57, 25 May 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:15, 27 May 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Australian International College of Art

• OIC nominates for deletion: 11:02, 2 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:50, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2003 Melbourne thunderstorm

• OIC votes to keep: 02:33, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to keep: 23:12, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ANCA (company)

• OIC votes to delete: 02:39, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:31, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ogalo

• OIC votes to delete: 02:46, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:49, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Events and Trivia on Get This

• OIC votes to delete: 02:29, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:10, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wild about fruit Company

• OIC votes to delete: 02:31, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:11, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Network Video

• OIC votes to delete: 02:37, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:26, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red Herring Surf

• OIC votes to delete: 02:38, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to keep: 23:48, 4 June 2007
• OIC closes as keep: 06:27, 8 June 2007
• Comment: This is the only example examined thusfar where OIC's and Z85's votes disagree, and also the only one which OIC closed.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyndal Eckersley

• OIC votes to delete: 02:52, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:50, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of guest hosts on Get This

• OIC votes to delete: 02:58, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:10, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derrimut Heath Primary School

• OIC nominates for deletion: 03:28, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:09, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Reject Shop

• OIC votes to keep: 11:07, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to keep: 23:11, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Connect Financial

• OIC votes to delete: 11:13, 4 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 23:40, 4 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kings Christian Church

• OIC votes to delete: 23:06, 7 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 15:59, 9 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eccpasian

• OIC votes to delete: 23:11, 7 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 16:06, 9 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elanora State High School

• OIC votes to keep: 02:26, 8 June 2007
• Z85 votes to keep: 15:58, 9 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern District Times

• OIC votes to delete: 05:46, 8 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 15:54, 9 June 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delone Catholic High School

• OIC votes to delete: 04:17, 1 July 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 07:10, 1 July 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karrinyup Shopping Centre

• OIC votes to keep: 15:55, 16 July 2007
• Z85 votes to keep: 16:36, 16 July 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ardross Primary School

• OIC votes to delete: 10:54, 23 July 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 05:57, 25 July 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hampton Park Primary

• OIC votes to delete: 10:55, 23 July 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 05:56, 25 July 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Rules for Boats

• OIC nominates for deletion: 14:52, 24 July 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 05:55, 25 July 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/QStik Records

• OIC nominates for deletion: 01:25, 25 July 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 05:51, 25 July 2007
• DT5 votes to delete: 03:19, 30 July 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/This Vital Chapter

• OIC nominates for deletion: 01:38, 25 July 2007
• OIC modifies to delete or merge: 02:45, 25 July 2007
• Z85 votes to merge: 05:45, 25 July 2007
  
• Comment: This is the only the second instance noticed thusfar where Z85 appears to disagree with OIC about anything, and does so as conspicuously ("hence I disagree with the nom that there is "quite literally nothing to merge") as the disagreement is trivial.

Wikipedia:Templates for deletion

Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 March 3#Template:WA JSHAA Members

• OIC votes to delete: 17:34, 3 March 2007
• DT5 votes to delete: [19:26, 3 March 2007]

Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 May 18#Template:AustralianMorningNewsShowsat6

• OIC votes to delete: 20:26, 20 May 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 15:51, 23 May 2007

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2007 January 3#Perth

• OIC votes to oppose: 01:12, 4 January 2007
• DT5 votes to oppose: 12:38, 9 January 2007

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jeendan

• OIC votes to keep: 18:16, 8 April 2007
• DT5 votes to keep: 05:06, 9 April 2007

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Potters house

• OIC votes to delete: 14:56, 21 May 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 14:13, 23 May 2007

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Cruftcruft

• OIC nominates for deletion: 05:46, 30 June 2007
• Z85 votes to delete: 06:24, 30 June 2007

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 March 3#Guildford chapel → Guildford Grammar School Chapel

• DT5 nominates redirects for deletion:

20:09, 3 March 2007

• OIC supports deletion:

04:23, 4 March 2007

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 March 3#see list below → Aquinas College, Perth

• OIC supports deletion: 12:45, 4 March 2007
• DT5 votes to delete: 16:08, 5 March 2007

Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting

Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2007/July#Merge of Cat:Gosford suburb geography stubs and Cat:Wyong Shire geography stubs

• OIC proposes merge of templates: 08:26, 22 July 2007
• Z85 supports: 18:18, 27 July 2007

Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2007/July#Merge of stub types entering Cat:Hunter region geography stubs

• OIC proposes merge of templates: 08:36, 22 July 2007
• Z85 supports: 18:24, 27 July 2007

Wikipedia:Attribution/Poll

• OIC opposes: 08:04, 31 March 2007
• DT5 opposes: 18:24, 31 March 2007

Talk page polls

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics#Renaming of general election to federal and state election

• OIC supports move: 04:13, 11 March 2007
• DT5 supports move: 05:15, 11 March 2007

Talk:Croatian War of Independence

• Z85 supports move to Croatian War: 05:37, 25 July 2007
• OIC supports move to Croatian War: 13:51, 25 July 2007

Reviews own work

Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Peer review/Hamersley, Western Australia

• OIC solicits peer review: 21:52, 18 November 2006
• DT5 reviews: 11:54, 24 February 2007

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hamersley, Western Australia

• OIC nominates for FA: 14:32, 24 February 2007
• DT5 supports: 01:40, 25 February 2007

Wikipedia:Featured article review/Hamersley, Western Australia/archive1

• User:Michellecrisp opens a featured Articles review of OIC's work, writing, "I would like this article reviewed by people not directly involved in the creation of it."06:04, 6 July 2007
• OIC comments: 4:27, 14 July 2007
• Z85 comments: 05:11, 14 July 2007
• Z85 votes to keep as FA: 06:03, 25 July 2007

Violates WP:3RR

Western Australian general election, 2005

• Previous version reverted to: 12:54, 8 April 2007
• DT5: 09:03, 10 April 2007
• OIC: 09:13, 10 April 2007
• OIC: 09:18, 10 April 2007
• DT5: 10:22, 10 April 2007

Tag-team harassment of OIC opponents

User:Joestella

• User talk:Joestella#Protracted revert warning
  • DT5 warns Joestella: 12:59, 8 April 200713:12, 8 April 200713:19, 8 April 2007
  • OIC weighs in pretending to be neutral party: 14:46, 8 April 2007
  • DT5: 15:12, 8 April 2007
• User talk:Joestella#South Australian general election, 2006
  • OIC warns Joestella: 15:55, 11 April 200716:07, 11 April 200716:21, 11 April 200718:10, 11 April 20018:25, 11 April 2007
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive226#Disruptive editing
  • OIC requests that Joestella be blocked: 16:17, 11 April 20076:26, 11 April 2007
  • DT5 supports call for block: [16:32, 11 April 2007]
• User talk:Joestella#Final warning
  • OIC gives "final warning": 08:32, 12 April 200708:48, 12 April 2007
• User talk:Joestella#AfD hijacking
  • DT5 warns Joestella: 10:59, 14 April 2007
  • OIC weighs in pretending to be neutral party: 12:02, 14 April 200713:50, 14 April 200714:27, 14 April 2007
• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive228#User:Joestella and continuing disruptive behaviour
  • DT5 posts to WP:ANI: 11:06, 14 April 200711:09, 14 April 2007
• User:Joestella's last edit: 17:45, 16 April 2007
  • DT5 continues after Joestella is long gone: 21:22, 31 May 200721:24, 31 May 2007

Evidence that DT5 and Z85 are sockpuppets of OIC

Slip-ups

Posts message as DT5 while logged in as OIC

Here OIC posts a message to his own talk page that was meant to be posted as DT5:

• OIC: 13:07, 14 January 2007
  

Flailing ensues:

• DT5: 13:10, 14 January 2007
• OIC: 13:14, 14 January 2007

DT5 attributes OIC ANI post to himself

In this ANI thread, DT5 attributes OIC's previous post to himself:

• DT5: 21:22, 31 May 2007
  

This is quickly amended:

• DT5: 21:47, 31 May 2007

Edit times

• Combined contribution timeline

Shared phrases/onsets

"If you…, [friendly offer]"

"If you…, I'm open to [suggestions/ideas]"

• OIC:
  • "If you feel this is unclear, I'm open to suggestions for wording changes."15:08, 9 June 2007
• DT5:
  • "If you have any ideas on finding refs for this I'm totally open to them."06:44, 10 April 2007

"If you (know of any) […], feel free/don't hesitate to"

• OIC:
  • "If you know of any, feel free to contact me on my talk page…"20:26, 25 May 2007
  • "…if you have a spot of time don't hesitate to ask…"12:33, 7 January 2007

See also: 02:46, 4 June 2007

• Z85:
  • "If you know of any other venues, festivals or events with articles please don't hesitate to pop them in…"14:40, 23 May 2007

"[I am] happy to…"

"I am happy to [accept/assume]…"

• DT5:
  • "… I am happy to accept the retention of the new content accordingly."01:24, 15 April 2007

See also: 13:19, 8 April 200715:12, 8 April 200723:36, 21 June 2007

• Z85:
  • "…while I am happy to assume good faith…"13:02, 23 May 2007

"[Am/I would be] happy to see if I can [help]"

• OIC:
  • "I would be happy to see if I can get researched reliable information on them…"13:47, 3 August 2007
• Z85:
  • "Am happy to see if I can help you out with the above…"08:32, 27 July 2007

"Am happy to…"

• OIC:
  • "Am also happy to consider requests for any other shopping centre over 20000 sqm."13:49, 3 August 2007
• Z85:
  • "Am happy to see if I can help you out with the above…"08:32, 27 July 2007

"Note that…4 days/2 hours ago"

• OIC:
  • "Note that *I* changed my vote to merge 4 days ago."07:13, 15 April 2007

See also: 06:58, 31 July 2007

• DT5:
  • "Note that these extreme reversions and content changes only began 2 hours ago…"16:48, 11 April 2007

"I am disappointed that…"

• OIC:
  • "I am disappointed that I was not consulted by the user before raising these allegations publicly…"04:59, 3 August 2007
• DT5:
  • "I am disappointed that you have chosen to express your opinion by way of attacking good faith editors on a poll page."18:40, 31 March 2007

"Case of…"

• DT5:
  • "Case of WP:POINT in action if I ever saw one."04:30, 14 April 2007
• Z85:
  • "Case of common sense prevailing here."18:18, 27 July 2007

"BTW…"

• OIC:
  • "BTW Nandos is an international organisation…"02:46, 4 June 2007
  • "BTW I don't disagree the section can be worded better."15:42, 18 June 2007
  • "BTW sent you an email."19:15, 3 August 2007
• DT5:
  • "BTW one right below Thewinchester case at John Celona…"22:01, 31 May 2007

See also: 12:53, 7 March 2007

Shared phrases/conflict

"antagonistic/aggressive/extreme behaviour [won't] (tolerate)"

• OIC:
  • "I have no problem with Sydneysiders contributing to the page, it was always about antagonistic/aggressive behaviour."10:27, 10 April 2007
  • "…such extreme behaviour will no longer be tolerated…"06:06, 30 June 2007
• DT5:
  • "Im prepared to consider what he has to say, but I'm not willing to tolerate bullying and aggressive/extreme behaviour.'"16:48, 11 April 2007
• Google:
  • DT5 is first hit outside mainspace, and the only example where these occur in a single phrase: site:en.wikipedia.org tolerate aggressive extreme behaviour
• See also Near-synonyms juxtaposed with slashes.

"[create an article/essay]…to make a point (violates/overrule consensus)"

• OIC:
  • "…the article was possibly created to make a WP:POINT and violates consensus…"05:00, 7 April 2007
  • "Seems to have been created by one user to make a point."05:46, 30 June 2007
  • "…a rather nasty little essay created to make a point."06:06, 30 June 2007

See also: 15:42, 18 June 2007

• DT5:
  • "…that if one person is just disruptive enough that they can overrule consensus and Wikipedia to make a point."03:16, 16 April 2007

See also: 13:12, 8 April 2007

• Z85:
  • "Writing essays which are more ridiculous just to make a point is not constructive."23:42, 21 June 2007

"refusal to seek consensus [edit warring and being uncivil instead]"

• OIC:
  • "…unfortunately it was your refusal to seek consensus (violating the terms of the very official policy you cited), instead risking WP:3RR and making some very incivil comments towards fellow editors, and not assuming good faith towards them, which led to this situation."20:53, 19 June 2007
• DT5:
  • "… his bad faith editing, snide comments, utter refusal to seek consensus on anything, long term edit warring, monologuing and other unWikipedian behaviour."16:44, 11 April 2007
• Google:
  • OIC is third hit of four total: site:en.wikipedia.org "refusal to seek consensus"

"(pointless/silly) revert war(s)…inferior version(s)"

• OIC:
  • "I'm somewhat relieved that we can actually look to develop this now rather than watch a continuing and pointless revert war between one inferior version and one slightly less inferior version."06:57, 11 April 2007
  • "However, revert wars usually incite stagnation rather than change as editors are forced into a battle between two inferior versions."15:42, 18 June 2007
• DT5:
  • " if we can agree to end this silly revert war then maybe WP:AUSPOL will be the better for it and we'll start getting quality articles instead of time spent at AfD and having to defend existing(inferior) versions."13:19, 8 April 2007

See also: 04:30, 14 April 2007

• Google:
  • OIC is first of three hits: site:en.wikipedia.org "revert wars" "inferior versions"
  • DT5 is first of five hits: site:en.wikipedia.org "revert war" "inferior versions"
  • For whatever reason, this variant turns up neither; still there are only eight hits: site:en.wikipedia.org "revert war" "inferior version" "inferior version

Shared phrases/article evaluation

"(clearly) meet(s) (notability) standard/criteria/guidelines"

• OIC
  • "…meet Wikipedia notability/sourcing guidelines…"02:41, 4 June 2007
  • "…we don't "assume" notability…would be required to meet the standard…"14:27, 5 June 2007
  • "…per WP:N - clearly meets notability criteria…"15:55, 16 July 2007

See also: 08:40, 2 March 200711:19, 10 March 200711:07, 4 June 200714:07, 5 June 2007

• Z85:
  • "Clearly does not meet Wikipedia's biographic notability standard…"12:45, 23 May 2007
  • "…many other Perth bands *can* meet this standard…"05:51, 25 July 2007
  • "Clearly meets criteria, notable and well-known organisation."23:11, 4 June 2007
  • "This article still meets the featured article criteria…"05:11, 14 July 2007

See also: 23:15, 27 May 200705:45, 25 July 2007

"(utterly/definitely) fails WP:CORP/WP:BAND/WP:N/WP:RS/WP:V"

• OIC:
  • "…fails WP:N"7 March 2007
  • "…definitely fails WP:CORP beyond a doubt."02:38, 4 June 2007
  • "…fails WP:CORP…"02:41, 4 June 2007

See also: 12:04, 7 March 200702:29, 4 June 2007

• DT5:
  • "…fails WP:BAND13:57, 9 February 2007
  • "fails any possible WP:RS test..."22:37, 3 April 2007
  • " On WP:N, a cornerstone policy, and on WP:V, another cornerstone policy, this article utterly fails"21:28, 23 May 2007
• Z85:
  • "Fails WP:CORP…"23:11, 4 June 2007
  • "Utterly fails WP:N…"23:26, 4 June 2007
  • "…fails WP:CORP as a company."23:50, 4 June 2007

See also: 23:15, 27 May 200723:31, 4 June 2007

"vague claims"

• OIC:
  • "…any (vague) claims to notability…" 14:52, 24 July 2007
• DT5:
  • "…make vague claims about unverifiable sources."21:28, 23 May 2007
• Z85:
  • "…let alone vague claims of international."05:51, 25 July 2007

"(have/has) no place on an encyclopaedia"

• OIC:
  • "… have no place on an encyclopaedia."20:26, 25 May 2007
  • "…no place on an encyclopaedia." 13:34, 5 June 2007
• DT5:
  • "…has no place on an encyclopedia."21:28, 23 May 2007

(The variant spelling here is not a genuine difference; see: 04:42, 7 April 200704:30, 14 April 2007)

• Google:
  • OIC is the only hit: site:en.wikipedia.org "no place on an encyclopaedia"
  • The American spelling gives only ten hits: site:en.wikipedia.org "no place on an encyclopedia"

Shared phrases/miscellaneous

"the above"

"the above user/voter/user above"

• OIC:
  • "one user - above"05:26, 13 April 2007
  • "…the above voter…"02:31, 27 May 2007
• DT5:
  • "…the above user…"04:43, 7 April 2007

"the above comment/post/quote"

• DT5:
  • "** The above comment…"04:42, 7 April 2007
  • "…the above post."21:52, 31 May 2007
  • "…certain posts/editors above…"18:35, 31 March 2007

See also: 21:22, 31 May 2007

• Z85:
  • "…the above quote…" 13:24, 23 May 2007

"I agree with [the] above"

• OIC:
  • "I agree with SandyGeorgia's concerns raised above…"08:11, 31 March 2007
  • "Needless to say I do not agree with the above."14:07, 5 June 2007
  • "I would agree with Rebecca's characterisation above."18:56, 28 July 2007
• DT5:
  • "I agree entirely with the above post."21:52, 31 May 2007
  • "Orderinchaos said it better than me, so I'll just agree with the above."10:32, 10 April 2007
  • "I agree with all of the reasons above."11:16, 10 March 2007

See also: 03:16, 16 April 2007

"without any/with no…whatsoever"

• OIC:
  • "…with *many* contributors - and without any consensus whatsoever…"04:55, 7 April 2007
  • "…and with no disrespect whatsoever to your views…"22:51, 27 May 2007
  • "…with no disrepect whatsoever"05:46, 8 June 2007
  • "even an ordinary editor with no admin powers whatsoever…"18:49, 3 August 2007
• DT5:
  • "…he got blocked on a first (minor) offence without any warning whatsoever…" 22:05, 31 May 2007

"raise [an] issue/issue[s] raised"

• OIC:
  • "…I worked on it and asked for a review, and some serious issues were raised with it…"12:33, 7 January 2007
  • "…before this AfD was raised - it's a different issue…"03:48, 8 April 2007
  • "…this "issue with the Australian Wikiproject" is that Durova has raised…"09:12, 2 August 2007

See also: 11:19, 10 March 200708:11, 31 March 200706:06, 30 June 200712:26, 17 July 2007

• DT5:
  • "I raised the POV issue…"06:37, 10 April 2007
  • "Orderinchaos raised it at this ANI and I raised it a few days later at this ANI…"21:22, 31 May 2007

See also: 21:47, 31 May 2007

• Z85:
  • "The WP:CENSOR issues raised worry me - we are here to build a collection of human knowledge with a wide collection of editors from every cultural background and walk of life, and censorship automatically raises the question…"08:15, 31 July 2007

"(not) entirely (un)"

"not entirely"

• OIC:
  • "…it's not entirely unexpected…"22:49, 23 May 2007
  • "…was not entirely familiar with the process involved."08:04, 1 August 2007
  • "…"…not-entirely-reliable sources" 19:15, 3 August 2007
• Z85:
  • "…it's not entirely random…" 18:57, 17 July 2007

"entirely un…entirely un…"

• OIC:
  • "…it's not entirely unexpected…I'm entirely unsure…"22:49, 23 May 2007
  • "…for reasons entirely unrelated to me, by an admin entirely unrelated to me."18:49, 3 August 2007
• Z85:
  • "…this sort of racial labelling is entirely unacceptable on Wikipedia…is entirely unacceptable and offensive."05:37, 25 July 2007

"(somewhat) ambiguous/confusing […] [to speakers of English as a second language]"

• OIC:
  • "…is somewhat ambiguous and carries less clear meaning of the actual intent than the current forms. Many en.wikipedia editors are second-language…"08:04, 31 March 2007
• Z85:
  • "…which was previously somewhat confusing to non-English first language speakers…"16:01, 23 May 2007
  • "…complex or ambiguous words which would confuse International English readers."05:11, 14 July 2007

Shared style

Near-synonyms juxtaposed with slashes

• OIC:
  • "…antagonistic/aggressive…"10:27, 10 April 2007
  • "…small/trivial parts…"05:26, 13 April 2007
  • "…duplicate/fork…"10:38, 13 April 2007
  • "…soapbox/blog site."22:51, 27 May 2007
  • "…notability/sourcing guidelines…"02:41, 4 June 2007
  • "…behaviour/tendency…"7:43, 9 June 2007
  • "…ridiculous/out-there…"05:28, 10 June 2007
  • "…defended/stood up for me…"07:14, 3 August 2007
  • "…computer/internet connection…"10:27, 6 August 2007
• DT5:
  • "…sourcing/citations…"18:29, 3 March 2007
  • "…articles/pages…"14:32, 18 March 2007
  • "…posts/editors…"18:35, 31 March 2007
  • "…aggressive/extreme…"16:48, 11 April 2007
  • "…reverted/edit-warred…"11:09, 14 April 2007
• Z85:
  • "…breakfast/tabloid TV…"13:09, 23 May 2007

Emphasis with asterisks

• OIC: 21:52, 18 November 200603:44, 18 January 20077 February 200710:13, 8 February 200705:11, 9 February 200708:04, 31 March 200704:55, 7 April 200710:27, 10 April 200710:28, 10 April 200706:57, 11 April 200718:25, 11 April 200708:48, 12 April 200713:50, 14 April 200707:13, 15 April 2007(x3)10:28, 10 April 200705:26, 13 April 2007(x2)10:37, 13 April 200704:23, 14 April 2007(x2)06:37, 14 April 200702:33, 4 June 200702:37, 4 June 200702:38, 4 June 200712:59, 5 June 200704:05, 6 June 200706:41, 8 June 200705:46, 8 June 2007(x2)15:21, 9 June 200705:28, 10 June 200720:53, 19 June 200719:43, 26 July 200710:18, 6 August 2007
• DT5: 18:38, 3 March 200708:21, 6 March 200718:24, 31 March 200704:42, 7 April 200715:14, 8 April 200716:31, 11 April 200710:55, 14 April 200704:53, 21 May 2007 (x2)21:28, 23 May 200713:05, 8 April 200715:12, 8 April 2007(x2)15:14, 8 April 2007
• Z85: 13:23, 23 May 200714:54, 23 May 200715:54, 23 May 200723:26, 4 June 200723:40, 4 June 200716:06, 9 June 200705:11, 14 July 200716:52, 16 July 2007(x2)18:57, 17 July 200705:45, 25 July 2007(x2)05:56, 25 July 200708:32, 27 July 200718:18, 27 July 200703:44, 3 August 2007

"*not*"

• OIC: 08:48, 12 April 200704:23, 14 April 2007
• DT5: 13:05, 8 April 200715:12, 8 April 2007
• Z85: 18:18, 27 July 2007

"*current*"

• DT5: 04:42, 7 April 2007
• Z85: 16:52, 16 July 2007

"*quite*"

• OIC: 02:38, 4 June 2007
• DT5: 18:38, 3 March 2007

"*this*"

• OIC: 15:21, 9 June 2007
• Z85: 05:11, 14 July 2007

"*I*/*me*"

• OIC: 07:13, 15 April 2007
• DT5: 10:55, 14 April 2007

"*has*/*did*"

• OIC: 20:53, 19 June 2007
• DT5: 15:12, 8 April 2007

"*always*/*never*"

• OIC: 05:28, 10 June 2007
• Z85: 23:26, 4 June 2007

"2"…"10" (rather than "two"…"ten")

• OIC: 11:57, 8 February 2007(x3)14:32, 24 February 200710:15, 10 March 200710:27, 10 April 200716:07, 11 April 2007(x2)04:18, 12 April 2007(x2)08:48, 12 April 2007(x2)13:50, 14 April 2007(x2)07:13, 15 April 200722:49, 23 May 2007(x2)2:55, 5 June 200703:09, 6 June 2007 17:43, 9 June 2007(x2)21:19, 10 June 200715:42, 18 June 200719:41, 26 July 2007(x3)13:49, 3 August 200718:49, 3 August 2007
• DT5: 13:43, 9 February 200714:27, 18 March 200713:12, 8 April 200716:44, 11 April 200716:48, 11 April 200703:16, 16 April 200721:28, 23 May 200721:12, 31 May 200721:56, 31 May 2007
• Z85: 11:31, 21 May 200718:18, 27 July 2007

":)"

• OIC: 17:13, 16 June 2006(x3)21:25, 5 August 2006(x2)12:31, 16 November 2006(x3)13:53, 23 November 2006(x3)12:33, 7 January 200718:03, 13 January 200704:51, 14 January 200713:07, 14 January 200702:41, 15 January 200702:47, 15 January 200704:17, 15 January 200712:23, 28 January 200713:19, 8 February 200704:37 11 February 200716:03, 11 February 200703:47, 9 April 200714:31, 24 May 200721:19, 10 June 200719:12, 2 August 2007
• DT5: 10:15, 10 February 200701:09, 16 February 2007(x2)09:16, 16 February 200705:09, 3 March 2007(x2)12:53, 7 March 200716:09, 8 March 200719 March 2007
• Z85: 14:37, 23 May 200714:54, 23 May 2007(x2)10:20, 25 May 200723:42, 21 June 200707:04, 31 July 2007

Shared edit summaries

"created my user page"

• DT5:
  • ""created my user page…"05:28, 7 January 2007
• Z85:
  • "created my user page"11:31, 21 May 2007

"oops […]"

• OIC: 20:24, 15 May 200618:17, 15 June 200610:44, 16 June 200621:18, 17 June 200608:45, 5 September 200613:23, 17 June 200600:45, 17 September 2006 06:39, 17 September 200622:33, 9 October 200601:45, 16 October 200602:40, 17 October 200603:21, 17 October 200608:42, 18 October 200607:31, 26 October 200618:24, 27 October 200615:25, 29 October 200622:29, 30 October 200623:44, 31 October 200607:55, 2 November 200609:28, 3 November 200616:38, 3 November 200618:32, 3 November 200610:20, 3 November 200619:10, 6 November 200608:24, 9 November 200604:32, 11 November 200604:31, 12 November 200614:40, 12 November 200609:33, 13 November 200616:01, 18 November 200607:09, 17 November 200601:06, 18 November 200607:13, 20 November 200610:27, 26 November 200605:05, 26 November 200609:11, 28 November 20067:47, 29 November 200618:51, 29 November 2006
• DT5: 13:10, 14 January 200710:54, 20 February 200714:18, 4 March 200718:48, 5 March 200704:42, 21 May 2007
• Z85: 10:03, 22 May 200710:22, 22 May 200711:32, 22 May 200723:30, 4 June 2007

"oopsie(s)"

• OIC: 19:29, 4 October 2006
• DT5: 12:53, 7 March 2007

"whoops […]"

• OIC: 20:19, 9 May 200616:09, 17 June 200605:03, 12 November 200623:49, 20 November 200607:54, 22 November 200610:42, 25 November 200602:34, 19 November 200607:55, 26 November 2006
• DT5: 14 January 2007
• Z85: 11:29, 22 May 2007

"argh […]"

• OIC: 07:53, 6 October 200610:28, 15 November 200604:54, 17 November 200601:14, 29 November 200604:03, 27 November 2006
• DT5: 18:31, 3 March 200705:25, 11 March 2007

"…:)"

• OIC: 20:24, 15 May 200617:18, 27 May 200617:32, 3 June 200617:04, 7 June 200617:13, 16 June 200613:23, 17 June 200616:09, 17 June 200621:38, 3 July 200621:25, 5 August 200606:41, 28 August 200607:10, 16 September 200602:54, 21 September 200607:01, 29 September 200608:43, 29 September 200607:13, 20 November 200618:07, 4 October 200607:53, 6 October 200622:33, 9 October 200619:39, 10 October 200603:50, 24 October 200603:58, 25 October 200617:08, 1 November 200606:26, 2 November 200610:20, 3 November 200615:34, 4 November 200617:56, 5 November 200605:03, 12 November 200612:40, 13 November 200612:31, 16 November 200607:09, 17 November 200601:06, 18 November 200607:13, 20 November 200602:36, 19 November 200611:05, 22 November 200609:01, 23 November 200612:14, 23 November 200613:53, 23 November 200613:51, 25 November 200620:29, 25 November 2006
• DT5:01:09, 16 February 200709:16, 16 February 200711:23, 21 February 200707:30, 22 February 200705:09, 3 March 200708:18, 3 March 200711:40, 12 March 200710:32, 10 April 2007
• Z85: 09:41, 22 May 2007

Appeal to Factiva

• OIC: 04:37 11 February 200708:40, 2 March 200705:45, 4 June 20073:16, 27 July 200719:15, 3 August 2007
• DT5: 08:21, 6 March 200705:15, 11 March 200714:27, 18 March 200714:30, 18 March 2007
• Z85: 05:37, 25 July 200705:55, 25 July 200706:21, 27 July 2007
• Comment: Appeal to Factiva is not unheard of on Wikipedia, but it is hardly common. The third talk page occurrence on Google is from OIC: site:en.wikipedia.org factiva