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Session Start: Sun Dec 18 00:00:00 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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Session Close: Sun Dec 18 00:59:30 2011
Session Start: Sun Dec 18 10:20:55 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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�12[10:20] -zelazny.freenode.net:#wikipedia-en- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
[10:20] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
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[10:23] <TBloemink> Could we get a block on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.245.228.162 as it is an open proxy?
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�08[10:25] <derp> *poof* derped.
[10:25] <OlEnglish> time for your meds
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[10:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> jubo2 umm
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[10:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this isnt #politics
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[10:45] <Mike_H> jubo2: "yksi, kymmenen, sata, tuhat"
[10:45] <Mike_H> that means "1, 10, 100, 1000," right?
[10:47] <foks> Mike_H, http://bit.ly/t0cfny
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[10:48] <foks> :3
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�08[10:53] * derp huggles foks tightly.
[10:53] <foks> :3
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[10:54] <Qcoder00> Anyone here good at making box templates?
[10:55] <jubo2> Mike_H: yeah.
[10:56] <jubo2> Mike_H: did you know that the chinese have words for "ten thousand" and "hundered million" ?
[10:56] <jubo2> single words
[10:57] <jubo2> ToAruShiroiNeko: ##politics exists so that any and every participant get seriously insulted before it ends
[10:57] <Mike_H> hm, no I didn't
[10:57] <jubo2> P-;
[10:57] <jubo2> Mike_H: where u at ?
[10:58] <jubo2> Hyvää päivää Mike_H
[10:58] <Mike_H> jubo2: kiitos
[10:58] <Mike_H> Arkansas, USA
[10:58] <Mike_H> foks: and I clicked on your link
[10:58] <Mike_H> f-u
[10:58] <foks> :DDDD
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�08[10:58] <derp> wich link?
[10:59] <Pesky> Hey Qcoder00
�08[10:59] * derp cuddles log uncomfortably.
[10:59] <Pesky> You wanted me?
[10:59] <Mike_H> derp: "let me google that for you"
[10:59] <jubo2> Mike_H: happy the boys and wimminz are coming back for X-mas to you as a USian
[10:59] <jubo2> the last US troops pulled outta Iwaq last night local time
[10:59] <Qcoder00> Pesky: Only to ask if you were alright , you sounded a bit off color last time I talked to you
[11:00] <Qcoder00> BTW Can anyone tidy up - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Photo_of_art
[11:00] <Pesky> Apart from the neck thing, not too bad. Oh, and the pain
[11:00] <Pesky> The neck thing is more fear than pain, really
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[11:02] <log> Hello derp.
[11:03] <Mike_H> jubo2: yep
[11:03] <Mike_H> they had a TV announcement earlier this week about it
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[11:04] <jubo2> Was end of 2011 the original goal set by politician(s) ?
Session Close: Sun Dec 18 11:04:36 2011
Session Start: Sun Dec 18 11:04:36 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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Session Close: Sun Dec 18 11:04:37 2011
Session Start: Sun Dec 18 11:06:27 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
�03[11:06] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
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[11:06] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
[11:06] <jubo2> must have party!!!
�12[11:06] -ChanServ- [#wikipedia-fr] Canal en UTF-8. La diffusion publique de journaux de ce canal est interdite. Merci de lire http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Canal_IRC et de contribuer à la bonne humeur du canal. Bonne journée !
[11:06] <jubo2> *tense
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[11:06] <tommorris> herp derp herp derp herp derp herp derp
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�06[11:08] * tommorris finds it amusing that when derp, someone who's name stands for stupidity, enters the room, it becomes so much less stupid.
[11:08] <jubo2> Iraq has reached a state of relative peace.. now if we could just get to pumping the oil..
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[11:09] <jubo2> "Have oil? Do pump."
[11:09] <tommorris> s/who's/whose/g
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[11:10] <Mike_H> jubo2: in 2009 Obama set Iraq for 2011 and Afghanistan for 2013
[11:10] <Mike_H> which looks like it will be on target
[11:11] <Mike_H> it was one of the first things he did as president
[11:11] <jubo2> obama mentioned. speech! speech! speech!
[11:11] <Mike_H> Obama is not very popular right now at home but if the Republicans pick anyone other than Mitt Romney, he will win again.
[11:12] <Mike_H> Mitt Romney is the only one who speaks on any level to centrist voters, everyone else is too "fringe"
[11:12] <jubo2> Mike_H: and then in the 2014 mid-terms Democrats win the house and Obama has 2 yrs to do his thing
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[11:12] <Mike_H> jubo2: 2014 is too far off to even predict
[11:12] <Mike_H> 2012 may see Obama lose the Senate to the Republicans
[11:12] <jubo2> anywas happy "Bringing the soldiers home for X-mas"-day
[11:13] <Mike_H> :>
[11:13] <Pharos> there will be no 2014
[11:13] <Qcoder00> jubo2: Of course part of the reason the US pulled out so soon was hat the Iraq's would let US solider have immunity form Iraq courts I heard
[11:13] <Qcoder00> &that
[11:13] <Qcoder00> * would NOT let , sorry
[11:14] <Pharos> question to informed ppl: do US soldiers have immunity in places like Colombia?
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[11:15] <Pharos> i guess there are no informed ppl here, might as well ask at #wikiversity
[11:15] <Pharos> :P
[11:15] <Qcoder00> Pharos: #Wikiveristy is the lunatic asylum ;)
[11:16] <Pharos> I know:P
[11:16] <jubo2> hey.. Must have Obama speech re bringing the troops home
[11:16] <jubo2> speech! speech! speech!
[11:17] <jubo2> It's greap press opportunity - must be a really emotional time for all those with loved ones in Iraq
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[11:18] <Hurricanefan25> I *do* hope there is someone at the OTRS noticeboard...
[11:21] <Pharos> wht are YOU doing to stop SOPA?
[11:21] <Hurricanefan25> Uh, nothing
[11:21] <Hurricanefan25> :P
[11:21] <Hurricanefan25> Yet
[11:22] <Hurricanefan25> I'm actually drafting a letter to a local Senate representative ;)
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[11:22] <Pharos> what's your state?
[11:23] <Pharos> I'm NY
[11:25] <pticochon> what can I do to stop sopa?
[11:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> pticochon writing to your representative mainly
[11:26] <Pharos> write a letter, protest
[11:26] <pticochon> what if i live in a foreign country?
[11:26] <Pharos> i like protet better myself
[11:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> then you have no reason to worry
[11:26] <Pharos> emigrate
[11:26] <pticochon> why not
[11:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SOPA will not affect people outside of the US
[11:26] <pticochon> i think it affects us all
[11:26] <pticochon> indirectly
[11:26] <pticochon> of course
[11:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not really
[11:26] <pticochon> the us might be the first one
[11:26] <pticochon> but then others will come
[11:26] <Pharos> you do have a reason to worry, it will affect all US-hosted sites
[11:27] <pticochon> also, that
[11:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if google delists wikipedia thats terrible but it is not like google is the only search engine
[11:27] <log> If they mess with the DNS of a popular website, then it will affect the whole world.
[11:27] <Pharos> plus, the copycat effect like you mention
[11:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> log I lived in countries where DNS block of popular websites were made
[11:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> among those websites was youtube that remained in toe top 10 despite being blocked.
[11:28] <log> There's a difference between a DNS block and actually changing the servers.
[11:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> true
[11:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but websites can register themselves in foreign dns ranges
[11:29] <Pharos> 90% or so of ppl find articles thru google and similar
[11:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> like for wikipedia it would be en.wikipedia.co.uk
[11:29] <Pharos> very few ppl go to wikipedia.rg
[11:29] <log> 98.7% of statistics are made up.
[11:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos as I said there are plenty of search engines besides google
[11:29] <Pharos> 98.8% actually
[11:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos it would hurt US people most
[11:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it would practically gradually destroy online commerce in the US
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[11:30] <Pharos> which wouldn't exactly be good for the rest of the world
[11:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can see ebay being taken down
[11:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos sure it wouldnt. But it is not like we the rest of the world would loose our nora clones :)
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[11:31] <tommorris> ToAruShiroiNeko: "SOPA will not affect people outside of the US"
[11:31] <tommorris> yes it will
[11:31] <tommorris> if the website you want to look at gets shutdown by the US government, that affects everyone.
[11:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> tommorris lies! I downloaded the internet to a floppy! :p
[11:32] <Piast93> SOPA WILL effect people outside of the US.
[11:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> tommorris they cant shut down the website, just the dns server with the current regulation
[11:32] <Pharos> "Stopa da SOPA"
[11:32] <Piast93> That's the stated purpose of it.
[11:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> companies will move webservers to other countries fairly quickly
[11:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[11:32] <tommorris> yes, because, you know, 99.9999% of people when faced with whatever.com not actually taking them to whatever.com think "oh yes, I just need to reconfigure my DNS server setup"
[11:33] <Pharos> yes, this occurs to my grandmother every day
[11:33] <tommorris> for all practical purposes, taking the domain offline *is* equivalent to shutting down the site
[11:33] <koishi> 1. 99.9999% don't even have internet
[11:33] <koishi> 2. yes they do
[11:33] <koishi> all the time
[11:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> tommorris thats pretty much what happened with the kind of restrictions some governments put in place
[11:33] <koishi> if they don't get what they want, they figure out how, somehow
[11:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the bill if enacted will quickly be repaled
[11:34] <tommorris> ToAruShiroiNeko: yeah, tell that to us Brits and our fucking useless politicians and the Digital Economy Act
[11:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[11:34] <tommorris> "99.9999% of people when faced" - see I put a domain restriction on that clause.
[11:34] <tommorris> ToAruShiroiNeko: or indeed to the French with the HADOPI law
[11:34] <pticochon> 99.9999% of people
[11:34] <pticochon> that's a lot of people
[11:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the french are being french
[11:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is their thing :p
[11:35] <Pharos> 99.9999999999% isn't that much more people
[11:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> tommorris such laws didnt end the internet
[11:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> internet is unregulateable anyways
[11:35] <tommorris> ToAruShiroiNeko: bullshit.
[11:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we would all go tor in the end :)
[11:35] <log> ToAruShiroiNeko: that's BS
[11:35] <Pharos> the internet died in 1993
[11:35] <tommorris> ToAruShiroiNeko: "we" means "me and my geek buddies" not "the whole society"
[11:35] <pticochon> pharos
[11:35] <pticochon> are you american?
[11:35] <Gfoley4> omg BS
[11:35] <Pharos> i am
[11:35] <pticochon> ok
[11:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> American! Fuck yeah!
[11:36] <log> Gfoley4: Bachelor of Science, obviously.
[11:36] <pticochon> fook yea
[11:36] <Pharos> ^exactly
[11:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I would fear botnets over politicians anyday
[11:36] <pticochon> me too
[11:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> except on labour day
[11:37] <Pharos> botnerts have fewer tanks
[11:37] <Pharos> i'm a newyorker
[11:37] <Piast93> ToAruShiroiNeko: Read about the Defense Authorization Act, and maybe you'd change your mind
[11:37] <Pharos> now i just have to convince OWS to give up on protesting banks, and go after Big Copyright
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[11:38] <Piast93> Pharos: Are you a Yankees fan?
[11:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Piast93 who wrote that law?
[11:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US?
[11:38] <Pharos> i am a Brooklyn Dodgers fan
[11:38] <Piast93> AH, good.
[11:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos I'd dodge brooklyn too
[11:38] <Piast93> I was going to say "Go Red Sox" if you said yes.
[11:39] <foks> That would be rather mena
[11:39] <foks> * mean
[11:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ah foks!
[11:39] <Pharos> Brooklyn is the County of Kings
[11:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> foks news, got any news?
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[11:40] <Piast93> ToAruShiroiNeko: Last time I checked, that law had passed the Senate and House. It hasn't, as far as I know, been signed into law yet.
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[11:40] <Pharos> I guess I'm a 4th generation Brooklyn Dodgers fan
[11:41] <Pharos> which is pretty impressive considering they left in 1957\
[11:41] <log> hahaha
[11:43] <Pharos> I read something interesting in the NY Times once, local politicos are *much* more likely to be Mets fans than ordinary newyorkers
[11:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Piast93 which senate and house?
[11:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US?
[11:44] <Piast93> ToAruShiroiNeko: Yes, US
[11:46] <Piast93> Pharos: I'm glad to see the NYT is keeping up on the important stories ;)
[11:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am thinking you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012
[11:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what about it?
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[11:47] <Pharos> don't know my Grey Lady
[11:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Piast93 I have never trusted any govenrment all that much
[11:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that said I do not see the government as a threat
[11:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do see lawless criminals such as botmasters/bothearders of botnets as a threat given how much damage they cause daily
[11:49] <Piast93> ToAruShiroiNeko: There's some controversial provisions in it. I'm going to be a dick, and let you research it yourself :p
[11:50] <Piast93> I'm busy kicking vandal arse right now
[11:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm?
[11:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I know the bill
[11:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it lets the US president arrest anyone indefinately just because he feels like it
[11:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> current US president has a nobel peace prize so we are in good hands of course
[11:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what could go wrong? :)
[11:51] <Pharos> we just have to keep giving them NPPs
[11:52] <Pharos> if only we'd given one to George W Bush..
[11:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NPP? No Personal Penises?
[11:52] <Pesky> New Page Patrollers?
[11:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> aw
[11:53] <Pesky> Pharos - I have a pony called Grey Lady!
[11:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "Obama detains all of china for vandalising wikipedia" >:D
[11:53] <Pharos> I think a peace prize should be awarded to Newt Gingrinch as a preemptive action
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[11:53] <Pesky> (plus her herd prefix, of course)
[11:53] <Pesky> Her nickname is Shadow
[11:54] <Pharos> you have a pony that is a newspaper of record?
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[11:54] <Pharos> awesome
[11:54] <Pesky> We have 13 ponies
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[11:55] <Pesky> Hey Jarry!Long time no see!
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[11:55] <Jarry1250> hello :)
[11:56] <Jarry1250> I'm not sure IRC counts as seeing :P
[11:56] <Pesky> Must do
[11:56] <Pesky> I can see that you;re here
[11:56] <Pesky> I see, therefore it does
[11:56] <Pesky> Philosophy for today.
[11:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> nobel prize should be given to obama again so that he has twice the peace
[11:57] <Pesky> If you;re giving pieces away, may I have one?
[11:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pesky no
[11:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you can however have the nobel peace wardrobe
[11:58] <Pesky> A piece of fish? The piece of cod that passeth all understanding?
[11:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> peace of shit :p
[11:58] <Pesky> No pieces for the wicked?
[11:58] <Piast93> ToAruShiroiNeko: There's nothing wrong with that. The Church Committee showed that the government would never violate the rights of its own citizens ;)
[11:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm
[11:58] <Pesky> A plaice of my own?
[11:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> since US de-invaded iraq
[11:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> US millitary will target which country next?
[11:59] <Pesky> Canada?
[11:59] <Pesky> :P
[11:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> No point in bombing canada
[11:59] <pticochon> why not
[11:59] <pticochon> it's full of canadians
[11:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It would be a waste of bombs
[11:59] <Joan> Mike_H: I'm the worst.
[12:00] <Pesky> China :P
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[12:00] <YE> hello
[12:00] <Pesky> Helloo
[12:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> china would probably disassemble the bombs mid air and use the parts to build more lead coated toys
[12:00] <Pesky> If we sing "Oh come, all ye faithful", does it ping you?
[12:01] <YE> yea
[12:01] <Pesky> hehe
[12:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Pesky it emails me the french naional anthem instead
[12:03] <Piast93> Pesky: I was going to guess Canada >:(
[12:03] <Pharos> The War Against Terrorism was too hard
[12:03] <Pharos> I propose a War Against Tax Haven
[12:03] <Pharos> *Tax Havens
[12:03] <Pharos> take that, Monaco!
[12:04] <Pharos> this is a war that the US military could eminently win
[12:04] <jubo2> wth? Am I the only one celebrating managed exit from Iwaqq?!
[12:04] <Piast93> This chatroom is overflowing with cynicism today
[12:05] <Piast93> I like
[12:05] <Pharos> i'm crelebrating in my way
[12:06] <Ironholds> I'm working, and don't consider the exit that back a deal
[12:06] <Ironholds> *big
[12:06] <jubo2> How much is the troop surge responsible for lack of violence in Iraq ?
[12:06] <Ironholds> everyone who is a military strategist specialising in anti-insurgency warfare, raise a hand
[12:07] <Ironholds> oh, nobody? guess that was a stupid question, then, jubo2
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[12:07] <Pharos> anyone named JedIRC must be such a military specialist
[12:07] <LL2|JedIRC> Speaking of which, I'm listening to the Party Rock Anthem song
[12:07] <jubo2> Gen. Petraeus passes both the family pediatrician and military commander tests
[12:07] <Piast93> jubo2: the surge of troops into Iraq during the 2003 invasion is responsible FOR the violence that happened afterwards.
[12:08] <LL2|JedIRC> Pharos: I'm not
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[12:09] <jubo2> The test is as follows: "Would you like <insert name here> as your family's peditrist?"
[12:09] <Pharos> I'm pretty sure jubo2 is referring to the Petraeus strategy, not the initial invasion
[12:09] <jubo2> Pharos: what was the Petraeus strategy ?
[12:09] <Piast93> Pharos: I know. I'm just being a wise ass.
[12:10] <Pharos> JedIRC, then how can you ever hope to triumph against the Emperor with such overwhelming odds?
[12:10] <Peter-C> Pharos - how many copies?
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[12:11] <LL2|JedIRC> Pharos: please don't call me JedIRC, as that is only my irc client program's name, and it doesn't highllight me
[12:11] <Pharos> Peter-C: 5-10
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[12:11] <Pharos> LL2, I;m being facetious anyway :P
[12:11] <Pharos> Peter-C: tops, there will be 15-20 ppl at the meeting
[12:12] <jubo2> ask any Libyan... an air-fuellable AWACS plane in the first rays of the sun is a beautiful thing
[12:12] <LL2|JedIRC> Also, yay, I love Gummibar! (no, that wasn't misspelled. What I'm refering to is really spelt Gummibar)
[12:12] <jubo2> so is bombing the hell outta anything trying to cross the desert south of Bengazi in the wrong direction and without authorization too
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[12:12] <Pharos> the Petraeus strategy was to try to reduce violence by flooding troops and reconciling with some reconcilable insurgent elements
[12:13] <Ironholds> I thought it was to call his boss a dick in a national magazine?
[12:13] <Pharos> that was an important part too
[12:13] <Ironholds> crucial element of the strategy
[12:14] <jubo2> The Petraaeus-dude is chief of CIA now right ?
[12:14] <Pharos> yeah
[12:14] <Pharos> tho that doesn't really make much sense
[12:15] <jubo2> Pharos: he's such a solid leader type
[12:15] <Peter-C> ^
[12:15] <Peter-C> and the girls like him
[12:15] <jubo2> and passes that "family pediatrician test"
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[12:15] <Pharos> {{cite}}
�08[12:15] <derp> WHo wants the username Fail?
�08[12:15] <derp> I'm willing to give it up :)
[12:15] <LL2|JedIRC> Derp does
[12:16] <jubo2> though Obama scores much higher then Petraeus in the FPT
�08[12:16] <derp> LL2|JedIRC, the wikipedia username Fail
[12:16] <LL2|JedIRC> Hmmmm...nah
[12:16] <LL2|JedIRC> m
[12:16] <LL2|JedIRC> Er, that was unintentional
[12:17] <Pharos> i think obama would make a great pediatrician
[12:17] <Tannerbaum> C# is such a horrible language...
[12:18] <jubo2> Tannerbaum: what did you expect, it's Mi¢ro$oft
[12:18] <Pharos> I like to program in Ba$que
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[12:18] <Tannerbaum> jubo2: Even Perl is better than C# :P
[12:19] <jubo2> I like perl
[12:19] <Tannerbaum> I don't
[12:19] <jubo2> but for coder satisfaction I hear ruby is reawwy good
[12:19] <jubo2> and python too
[12:19] <Tannerbaum> Python is my language of choice.
[12:19] <jubo2> nice to have an interactive shell with running programs
[12:19] <Tannerbaum> I'm trying to port Huggle to Python with Pygtk
[12:19] <LL2|JedIRC> My favorite language is wikicode with P4r$3rFunct!0n5
[12:20] <Peter-C> Pharos would make a good Abe Lincoln
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[12:20] <Piast93> Pharo: It does make some sense to have a military man running the CIA, due to CIA involvement in war Afghanistan, and the "covert" one in Pakistan.
[12:20] <LL2|JedIRC> Try to beat mine!
[12:20] <Piast93> We know that the CIA operates drones in Pakistan
[12:20] <jubo2> Tannerbaum: good luck and high motivation for your port effort
[12:20] <Peter-C> "Oh, our top secret drone malfunctioned, can we have it back?"
[12:21] <Pharos> i can see the reasoning, but he's basically a military man
[12:21] <Piast93> Given their history, it's not unreasonable to believe they're much more involved in the war effort.
[12:21] <Tannerbaum> jubo2: the only problem is that I don't know python very well
[12:21] <Tannerbaum> nor do I know C# at all
[12:21] <jubo2> We also know that the Iranians know how to overtake a drone and land it succesfully in their territory
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[12:21] <tommorris> Tannerbaum: there's lots of ugly stuff in the .NET codebase. I looked the other day and started groaning at some of it.
[12:23] <tommorris> Tannerbaum: that said, I disagree on the quality of C#. It fixes about 60% of the things I hate about Java.
[12:23] <tommorris> and jubo2's view of anything Microsoft is clouded by the fact that he's writes things like "Micro$oft"
[12:23] <jubo2> Tannerbaum: you know what's really nice with ruby ..? It's ruby gems, the library system where you can request library versions with floor and ceiling levels
[12:24] <tommorris> jubo2: they wrecked that though with complexity (rvm, bundler etc.)
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[12:25] <jubo2> and there is no need to code any SQL as all SQL can be created from object isa and hasa and hasmany information..
[12:25] <tommorris> jubo2: yeah, except sometimes you do.
[12:26] <tommorris> you are also now discussing Rails rather than Ruby.
[12:26] <tommorris> if one were writing a Ruby port of Huggle, Rails' ActiveRecord module would not exactly be something you are too worried about.
[12:26] <jubo2> The spaghetti I do in the kitchen is much better then the one I used to do with my computer
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[12:27] <tommorris> if I were building a Huggle port, I'd simply rip the logic out of Huggle, run it on Mono and then build a custom UI on top of it using either C# or IronRuby/IronPython
[12:28] <tommorris> GTK# for Linux and Cocoa# for Mac OS X
[12:28] <LL2|JedIRC> Shit, low battery
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[12:28] <tommorris> although Cocoa# looks a bit dead
[12:29] <Tannerbaum> Geany is a pretty good IDE
[12:30] <tommorris> for what lang?
�06[12:31] * tommorris just uses Vim (or GVim or MacVim or whatever)
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[12:31] <tommorris> Geany looks like it might be quite nice for writing C/C++ on Linux though
[12:32] <tommorris> no Vim keybindings though :(
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[12:32] <Tannerbaum> tommorris: I'm using it for python atm
[12:32] <Tannerbaum> the terminal at the bottom = <3
[12:32] <tommorris> indeed
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[12:53] <Piast93> "Batman XXX: A Porn Parody"
[12:53] <Piast93> lol...god bless the porn industry
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[12:56] <Piast93> Unsurprisingly, it was just vandalized just before I wrote the comment above
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[13:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Piast93 by the joker?
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[13:10] <Piast93> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morgan_High_School_%28McConnelsville,_Ohio%29&diff=prev&oldid=466555655
[13:10] <Piast93> haha
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[13:24] <jubo2> 2nd lot of freeable prisoners freed in the Gilad Shalit swap deal released 1.5 hrs from now
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[13:26] <jubo2> Gilad Shalit is free, he is free, free, free .. also 530 palestinians will be free will be free will be free tonite
[13:26] <jubo2> http://palestinetunnel.org for great justice
[13:27] <jubo2> that should perhaps be plural as we need to build two tunnels
[13:27] <jubo2> then every 15 min a train departs and it takes 15 min to get to the other side
[13:28] <jubo2> I calculated how much with my price approximation of $15,000,000,000 it would take under 2,5 hrs of Planet Earth Gross product
[13:28] <jubo2> I think it was 2 hrs and 14 minutes
[13:29] <jubo2> Planetary GDP is $60,100,000,000,000 so it comes to two hours and umpteen minutes of world GDP to build the tunnels
[13:29] <jubo2> Imagine it.. a chance at peace in our lifetime
[13:30] <jubo2> because the wars will not die out if the heart of Middle-East does not have peace
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[13:30] <jubo2> and while the wars go on so will famine
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[13:31] <jubo2> So keep em in a metal cage when they are not in the tunnel and scan everything for bombs meticulously
[13:32] <Pharos> the places that have famine aren't in the middle east
[13:32] <jubo2> I will not give in to the naysayers who say that it'll get bombed and that will be the end of that but I beg to disagree
[13:34] <jubo2> It costs me 12€/yr to hold the http://palestinetunnel.org and it works on the same serveer as Consumerium at no extra cost so I'm going to keep this domain up in the years to come untill we get to building the thing
[13:34] <matthewrbowker> Gfoley4[CHI]: Could you please remind me again what the NFL channel is?
[13:34] <Gfoley4[CHI]> #reddit-nfl
[13:34] <jubo2> you see if the palestinian authority doesn't have 24hr access to all of Palestine they cannot keep the peace
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[13:38] <Pharos> the palestinian authority has rather more immediate problems
[13:40] <LL2|JedIRC> "Why was the device brought in?" "To be fixed." <-- well no shit sherlock
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[13:43] <Pharos> "To be destroyed. It is an abomination unto nature."
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[14:30] <Thorncrag> Could use some more eyes on this user: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Yrtneg&action=view
[14:30] <Thorncrag> and all the various accounts the user may or may not be using
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[14:33] <PeterSymonds> I just blocked that rather odd JAF1999 person.
[14:34] <PeterSymonds> He reported Favonian to AIV, welcomed Fetchcomms, and claimed to be a bureaucrat. Heh.
[14:35] <Tannerbaum> PeterSymonds: Wait, zou mean heäs not a bureaucrat_
[14:35] <Tannerbaum> ?
[14:35] <Thorncrag> I was watching JAF as well due to bizarre editing behavior
[14:35] <PeterSymonds> Tannerbaum, heh, don't do that. You had me frantically double-checking!
[14:35] <Thorncrag> the behavior reminded me of Yrtneg after I saw that JAF placed a block template on Yrtneg's user talk page
[14:36] <Tannerbaum> hehe
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[14:38] <Thorncrag> oh, hi Tan :)
[14:38] <Tannerbaum> ohai Thorncrag
[14:38] <Tannerbaum> PeterSymonds: obvious sock is obvious
[14:39] <PeterSymonds> Yes.
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[14:42] <Thorncrag> I suspect Yrtneg of socking as well, especially looking at this which seems contradictory http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yrtneg&diff=prev&oldid=465922691
[14:42] <Thorncrag> after posing at least 1 brfa, request for rollback, etc
[14:42] <PeterSymonds> Maybe. I suppose we'll see. Autoblock might catch him.
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[14:44] <Thorncrag> Tannerbaum: I see ar has mostly died again since I was last here… :S
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[14:48] <Tannerbaum> Thorncrag: yep
[14:49] <Tannerbaum> PeterSymonds: *cough* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NWA.Rep/Andre_DeAngelo_Wallace_Jr *cough*
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[14:52] <PeterSymonds> Okay, done.
[14:53] <Tannerbaum> tyty
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[15:08] <tommorris> oh, for fuck's sake, have they still not announced the ArbCom results?
[15:08] <Tannerbaum> nope
[15:08] <zscout370> the Russian elections were faster than this lol
[15:09] <PeterSymonds> Should be within the next hour, apparently.
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[15:09] <tommorris> zscout370: yes, and all they had to do was find the most plausible way of fixing the result for Putin.
[15:10] <Tannerbaum> PeterSymonds: yay
[15:11] <PeterSymonds> I never said it would be within the next hour.
[15:11] <PeterSymonds> I said it should be.
[15:11] <PeterSymonds> Very different!
[15:11] <TBloemink> Just wait for those scrutineer-persons to finish I guess
[15:11] <zscout370> and appended it with "apparently" so it is just speculation
[15:12] <TBloemink> I must apologise, as the Trijn has a slight delay
[15:12] <PeterSymonds> The scrutineers are finishing up. But they all have to be around to certify the results.
�06[15:12] * tommorris goes back to snarking about the Citizendium elections.
[15:13] <zscout370> lol
[15:13] <tommorris> My vote has sent them all into a tizzy, which is quite funny to watch.
[15:13] <tommorris> I knew not resigning my citizenship was a good idea.
[15:14] <Fae> petan: Thanks for trying to catch me - have picked up on-wiki now - was out enjoying Sunday lunch!
[15:14] <FooBarMartijn> tommorris, if you just either hid your sockpuppets better so they wouldn't have created such an interest
[15:14] <petan> Fae: I am Petrb
[15:14] <FooBarMartijn> or hid them worse, so that they would have been clear
[15:14] <FooBarMartijn> the scruteneering would have been long done by now
[15:15] <Fae> Guessed so ;-)
[15:15] <petan> right
[15:15] <petan> the bot is going to be started after patching in few hours
[15:15] <petan> I hope you don't have problem with that
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[15:16] <tommorris> FooBarMartijn: Oh no, sockpuppetting is boring.
[15:16] <Fae> Okay, I have no problem seeing the VP discussion. Though I remain unconvinced this gave carte blanche for 20,000 pages to be part of a test. I think that is worth pursuing on-wiki.
[15:16] <petan> it's a/b test
[15:17] <petan> 19 000 pages archived 19 000 kept
[15:17] <petan> we will see what would come out from that
[15:17] <petan> however on other wikis they are DELETING talk pages of shared ip's after few days
[15:17] <petan> like 3
[15:18] <petan> english wiki is pretty different in this
�08[15:18] <derp> bread's rising
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[15:18] <petan> it's full of ancient talk pages which original vandals can hardly ever again see
[15:18] <Fae> If the point was to demonstrate the effectiveness of approach, I would have recommended 1,000 pages as plenty. This forces the solution of using permanent archive pages. I'm unconvinced there was an urgent need for such a change. I would agree with making IP notices more friendly, a different issue.
[15:18] <jubo2> derp: yeast or baking soda being the cause ?
[15:18] <Tannerbaum> wtf
[15:19] <Tannerbaum> why is the db in read only?
�08[15:19] <derp> jubo2, yeast.
[15:19] <petan> actually I am just a person who created the bot, I don't know much about background it was designed by Maryana and Steven W.
[15:19] <jubo2> mmm yeast mmm
[15:19] <Tannerbaum> derp: what kind of bread?
�08[15:19] * derp gives jubo2 some raw bread dough
[15:19] <Fae> petan: No worries, shame I never heard about the VP discussion.
[15:19] <jubo2> see also: sour dairy products
�08[15:19] <derp> Tannerbaum, french baguettes
[15:19] <Tannerbaum> oh
[15:20] <jubo2> they don't go tainted because..?
[15:20] <jubo2> they're already sour. hehehe
[15:20] <topaz> *sigh* baking bread.
[15:21] <jubo2> topaz: It's best to have a boulangiere make your bread for you
[15:22] <topaz> oh no no no
[15:22] <topaz> baking your own bread is a wondrous thing.
[15:22] <topaz> learning to bake good French baguette is magical.
[15:24] <jubo2> Yoghurt is practically non-spoiling .. Wheat bread is epic, as usual, wheat, the flour grain of choice and döner kebab and red hot sauce and the white yoghurt sauce with a gigaton of fresh mint and spices..
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[15:25] <SteveMobile> Panyd: Not sleeping anymore?
[15:25] <Panyd> SteveMobile: Nah, I was getting my Thai on
[15:25] <SteveMobile> HUNGRYYYYY
[15:25] <Panyd> hello btw :)
[15:25] <SteveMobile> Ohai :p
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[15:30] <Panyd> how are we all this evening? On the edge of our seats or just getting kebabs? :P
[15:31] <Tannerbaum> Waaaait
[15:31] <Tannerbaum> Rodhullandemu was banned?
[15:31] <PeterSymonds> The ArbCom elections aren't that exciting for us, Panyd.
[15:31] <Tannerbaum> well, it was a shared account i suppose
[15:31] <Panyd> lol :P
[15:31] <SteveMobile> Panyd: Wtf is taking them so long?
[15:31] <log> Tannerbaum: A long time ago, no?
[15:31] <PeterSymonds> They have to fix the results.
[15:32] <PeterSymonds> (I'm joking!)
[15:32] <Tannerbaum> log: in March
[15:32] <Panyd> SteveMobile: My guess is a small army of sockpuppet
[15:32] <SteveMobile> Lol
[15:32] <SteveMobile> All opposing PeterSymonds
[15:32] <SteveMobile> Who didn't run
[15:32] <PeterSymonds> I would oppose myself.
[15:32] <SteveMobile> They hacked the servers to allow write in candidates
[15:32] <SteveMobile> Then added PeterSymonds to oppose
[15:32] <SteveMobile> Hehehehe....
[15:33] <jubo2> minor problems in egypt, US combat troops pulled to Kuwait and on their way to home, 550 palestinians to be freed about now but no channel seems to be covering that
[15:33] <gde33> is there #wikiversity on freenode?
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[15:33] <snail> Could someone who knows about TV shows take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killian_Curse ? it's an NZ TV show that's about to air in the US. I think. a bewildering number of IP edits in the last couple of days...
[15:33] <Tannerbaum> gde33: How would one check?
[15:34] <gde33> there might be an irc on an offical surfer sum place
[15:34] <gde33> ill ask the peeps in the channel here
[15:35] <SteveMobile> PeterSymonds: Ya know suppress redirect is a user right I could do wonders with
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[15:35] <gde33> I was thinking to create a test for wikipedia edit guidelines.
[15:35] <gde33> There are so much admins who don't know the basics lol
[15:36] <PeterSymonds> SteveMobile, well, you could either pass RfA or a request for global rollback.
[15:36] <gde33> at least the things that we well described can be tested
[15:36] <log> PeterSymonds: Global rollback includes the supress redirects right?
[15:36] <SteveMobile> PeterSymonds: You can't use global rollback on enwp
[15:36] <PeterSymonds> It does.
[15:36] <PeterSymonds> Sure you can.
[15:37] <SteveMobile> I was told using suppressredirect is looked down upon
[15:37] <log> You could also become a bot. They can suppress redirects. :P
[15:37] <SteveMobile> Lol
[15:37] <SteveMobile> I have a bot
[15:37] <SteveMobile> It's for RM
[15:37] <gde33> wiki nazi bot
[15:37] <log> ...?
[15:38] <SteveMobile> I could use suppress redirect that way
[15:38] <PeterSymonds> What's so special about suppressredirect?
[15:38] <SteveMobile> Well most moves can't be done cos they need an admin
[15:38] <SteveMobile> Say for example, let me find one
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[15:40] <SteveMobile> Awkward. (TV series) -> Awkward.
[15:40] <SteveMobile> Can't do it cos the latter is a redirect
[15:40] <SteveMobile> So move it to Awkward. (temp)
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[15:41] <SteveMobile> Without redirect
[15:41] <Earwig> eww
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[15:41] <SteveMobile> Then the first page move to the new title
[15:41] <SteveMobile> And move the temp page back
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[15:41] <SteveMobile> To a different title :p
[15:41] <SteveMobile> Tads
[15:41] <SteveMobile> Tada
[15:42] <gde33> but you wouldn't actually chance this example right?
[15:42] <log> Earwig doesn't like that title because it describes him.
�06[15:42] * Earwig <3 logan
[15:42] <SteveMobile> No of course not.
[15:42] <tommorris> SteveMobile: you could ask one of the many friendly admins (not including me) to do it.
[15:42] <gde33> I mean your example is wrong :D
[15:42] <gde33> lol
[15:42] <SteveMobile> tommorris: Okay
[15:43] <log> tommorris: But now you're excluding all of the admins.
[15:43] <SteveMobile> tommorris: Please go to [[WP:RM#Backlog]] and clear it. Kthnx
[15:43] <SteveMobile> :)
[15:43] <Tannerbaum> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[15:43] <log> No flipping.
�08[15:43] <derp> Tannerbaum, put the table down please.
[15:43] <log> Manners.
�08[15:44] <derp> log, don't put your elbows on the table.
[15:44] <log> Sorry derp.
[15:44] <Tannerbaum> ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
�08[15:44] <derp> log, don't pick your teeth wiht a toothpick at the table.
[15:44] <tommorris> SteveMobile: sorry, am busy looking at pictures of semi-naked women with cheese graters on Commons.
�08[15:44] <derp> Tannerbaum, don't burp while there are guests.
[15:44] <SteveMobile> Lol
�08[15:44] <derp> tommorris, wear protection.
[15:44] <log> tommorris: Is that a category?
[15:45] <log> I wouldn't be surprised if it were, to be honest. ;P
[15:45] <tommorris> log: no, but Naked or semi-naked women with objects is.
[15:45] <log> Oh my.
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[15:45] <log> They really cover it all.
[15:45] <PeterSymonds> Or not.
[15:45] <PeterSymonds> (Sorry.)
�06[15:46] * log eyes PeterSymonds suspiciously.
[15:46] <tommorris> "Nude or partially nude women using vacuum cleaners"
[15:46] <PeterSymonds> Eye the Commons guys.
[15:46] <SteveMobile> Lol
[15:46] <log> PeterSymonds: e.g. you
[15:46] <PeterSymonds> They're the culprits in all of this!
[15:46] <Tannerbaum> I now have aliases for table flipping, extreme table flipping, and fixing the tables.
[15:46] <PeterSymonds> But I'm unpopular over there because I delete these sorts of things.
[15:46] <Tannerbaum> ┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ︵ ┻━┻
[15:47] <Tannerbaum> ^ extreme table flip
[15:47] <Tannerbaum> ┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) <-- fixing tables
[15:47] <SteveMobile> O_o
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[15:47] <Tannerbaum> (╯ಠ_ಠ）╯︵ ┻━┻ <-- Disapproving table flipper
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�08[15:47] <derp> (ﾉﾟωﾟ)ﾉ 彡┻┻
[15:48] <topaz> Category:Nude women with telephones
[15:48] <topaz> Category:Nude women with microphones
[15:48] <topaz> Category:Nude women with bow tie
[15:48] <topaz> it goes on and on.
[15:48] SpamTunes started.
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[15:49] <FooBarMartijn> delete all except the last one. Bow ties are cool.
�06[15:49] * topaz adds Category:Nude women with fezes
�06[15:49] * tommorris thinks that "Nude or partially nude people with objects" needs to be represented in the form of a Venn diagram.
[15:49] <FooBarMartijn> aren't it beau ties by the way?
[15:49] <Tannerbaum> Nude women with clothes?
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[15:49] <tommorris> derp: rocking the mid 90s, I see.
�08[15:50] <derp> yep :)
[15:50] <Steven_Zhang> ohai
�08[15:50] <derp> ohairthar darling <3
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[15:52] <tommorris> derp: Livin' Joy > Whigfield.
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�08[15:52] <derp> heh
�08[15:52] <derp> tru
[15:53] <jubo2> there is almost no supplies in the house. I do have spaghetti with virgin olive oil and fried garlic ( not too fried )
�08[15:53] <derp> got cheese?
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[15:53] <jubo2> you thinktransla I wouldn't includtransla?e the cheese in the cooking if I had any
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�08[15:54] <derp> welcome back, you sexy stud, log.
[15:54] <jubo2> cheeze & macaroni == win
�08[15:54] <derp> jubo2, when it's handmade, even more win!
[15:54] <log> o_o
[15:54] <jubo2> unfortunately I have no cheeze and no beer
�08[15:54] <derp> :(
[15:55] <jubo2> derp: you know what's yummy ?
�08[15:55] <derp> cock?
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[15:55] <jubo2> [[Halloumi]] .. it's a cheeze that can be fried and even grilled
�08[15:55] <derp> yum
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�08[15:56] <derp> in my computer, i got like 40 different varieties of cheese 'n' mac receipes
�08[15:56] <derp> one of them is served in a cupcake
[15:56] <jubo2> It's the Mediterraneans ( once again )
[15:56] <tommorris> derp: you know Pat Robertson thinks mac'n'cheese is a "black thing", right? ;-)
[15:56] <jubo2> they've invented most delicious things
�08[15:57] <derp> tomaw, i
�08[15:57] <derp> tommorris, i know :P
�08[15:57] <derp> jubo2, true.
�08[15:57] <derp> I have Healthified Macaroni and Cheese
�08[15:58] <derp> 59% less fat , 54% less sat fats, 24% fewer calories
[15:58] <tommorris> derp: damn you, you've got me downloading mid 90s club anthems.
�08[15:58] <derp> :D
[15:58] <Steven_Zhang> my back hurts :(
�08[15:58] * derp massages Steven_Zhang's back.
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[15:58] <Steven_Zhang> its this shitty train seat.
[15:59] SpamTunes stopped.
[15:59] <PeterSymonds> Are you still on the same train?
[15:59] <PeterSymonds> It's been weeks!
[15:59] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[15:59] <Steven_Zhang> very funny :P
[15:59] <Steven_Zhang> all the trains are shitty
�08[15:59] <derp> Steven_Zhang, get on the ghan express :P
�08[16:00] <derp> Steven_Zhang, that's not true, some train rides can be a confortable ride.
[16:01] <Steven_Zhang> PeterSymonds: i can haz global rollback?
[16:01] <jubo2> The Mediterraneans didn't invent Peking duck..
�08[16:01] <derp> oh me too!
[16:01] <Steven_Zhang> not when you're travelling on trains in melbourne
[16:01] <PeterSymonds> Yes, I'll give you all global rollback for Christmas.
[16:01] <Steven_Zhang> they're shithouse
[16:01] <Steven_Zhang> and when you always board the trains
�08[16:01] * derp takes Steven_Zhang on the Canadian
[16:01] <Steven_Zhang> they're like, move down the aisles, let others get off before you try to board
�08[16:02] <derp> a 4 day train across Canada
[16:02] <Steven_Zhang> if they ran more trains people wouldn't be so desperate to board the train
[16:02] <Tannerbaum> you know I'm bored when I'm editing Wikipedia.
[16:02] <Steven_Zhang> PeterSymonds: heh, o rly
[16:02] <PeterSymonds> No.
[16:02] <Steven_Zhang> aw
[16:02] <Steven_Zhang> D:
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�08[16:05] <derp> Altough the Canadian now takes 5 days to go across Canada
�08[16:05] <derp> due to a reschedule
[16:06] <Steven_Zhang> PeterSymonds: meanie
[16:06] <PeterSymonds> I know.
[16:08] <Steven_Zhang> -.-
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[16:11] <Steven_Zhang> omfg
[16:11] <Steven_Zhang> these seats are awful
[16:12] <PeterSymonds> Sue them.
�08[16:13] * derp sends PeterSymonds a zip bomb
[16:13] <Steven_Zhang> lol for what
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[16:13] <Steven_Zhang> pain and suffering? :P
[16:13] <PeterSymonds> yes.
[16:13] <Steven_Zhang> Hmm
[16:13] <Steven_Zhang> Maybe :p
[16:13] <PeterSymonds> Tell them that you have been mentally scarred by this experience.
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[16:14] <Steven_Zhang> Lol, my most edited article talk page by miles, prem rawat
�08[16:14] <derp> lol
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[16:20] <gde33> question about the formatting of sources..
[16:20] <gde33> we usually do something like: second name, first name, (date), "title of publication", publication outlet, date of retreival.
[16:20] <log> [16:20] <MrFishBot> [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2011]]; Vituzzu; results; http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=466583611&oldid=465204419
[16:20] <log> BAM
[16:20] <gde33> but what if there are 2 institutions involved?
[16:21] <log> Steven_Zhang, PeterSymonds
[16:21] <gde33> if say microsoft publishes an article in some magazine (for example)
[16:21] <Steven_Zhang> !!!!
[16:21] <log> Updated formatting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2011#Results
[16:21] <gde33> would that make?: second name, first name, (date), "title of publication", microsoft, magazine name, date of retreival.
[16:22] <gde33> or?: second name, first name, (date), "title of publication", magazine name, microsoft, date of retreival.
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[16:22] <log> congrats to Courcelles, Risker, Kirill Lokshin, Roger Davies, Hersfold, SilkTork, AGK, and Jclemens
[16:22] <log> none of which are here. oh well.
[16:23] <gde33> can anyone follow what I'm asking?
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[16:24] <gde33> the guidelines say "it is not necessary to maintain consistency between articles "
[16:24] <gde33> hah
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[16:25] <Steven_Zhang> Fucking Kirill got elected again?
[16:25] <Steven_Zhang> He's the reason arbcom is stuck in its ways.
[16:25] <log> wait, I'm confused
[16:25] <log> why is Jclemens bleu?
[16:25] <log> *blue
[16:26] <Steven_Zhang> He's been there nice the dawn of time.
[16:26] <PeterSymonds> Isn't he a one-year-term person, or something.
[16:26] <Steven_Zhang> log: He takes thecavalrys seat
[16:26] <log> ah
[16:26] <Steven_Zhang> Its only one year yeh
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[16:26] <Steven_Zhang> Bbiaf.
[16:26] <log> haha, NWA.Rep actually got 16% of votes
[16:26] <log> that makes me lose confidence in Wikipedia
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[16:27] <Steven_Zhang> Lol
[16:27] <log> haha, they made a typo
[16:27] <log> after analyzing votes for a week
[16:27] <log> that's just sad
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[16:28] <Steven_Zhang> Lol
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[16:29] <gde33> log: you should add this image to the results http://www.alig4real.co.uk/images/borat_thumbs_up_02.jpg with caption "congratjewlations! you are now on arbcom!"
[16:30] <log> friggin' router
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[16:32] <gde33> lol
[16:32] <Steven_Zhang> Good for them :)
[16:32] <Steven_Zhang> Good on courcelles
[16:32] <Steven_Zhang> :D
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[16:34] <gde33> -.-
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[16:34] <log> Steven_Zhang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Courcelles#Congrats.
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[16:38] <Ryulong> is a trade catalog that is not available to the general public a reliable source?
[16:38] <Steven_Zhang> Brb
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[16:40] <FooBarMartijn> Ryulong, if it meets the other demands, yeah sure
[16:40] <Ryulong> I am not sure it does
[16:40] <Ryulong> what are these other demands
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[16:41] <FooBarMartijn> is the publisher reputable, and is there editorial control?
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[16:42] <Ryulong> I don't know who the publisher is
[16:42] <Ryulong> well
[16:42] <Ryulong> mostly
[16:42] <Ryulong> may I explain in a query window?
[16:42] <FooBarMartijn> sure
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[16:44] <Snowolf> gde33: Wish it was free media :(
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[16:52] <Steven_Zhang> hai
[16:52] <rock_> hey! any english/us native speaker here that can help me with transcribing a short sentence from an audio file?
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[16:53] <SpitfireWP> rock_, I can try, sure.
[16:53] <SpitfireWP> Feel free to /query me or post here, w/e.
[16:54] <rock_> Great, thanks. It's just a few words I can't understand. This is what I have so far.
[16:54] <rock_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13823768/accent.mp3 This is what I can understand. Help? "most of the time i have to prepare because of the accent _____ and also i tend to say mrs (frolic ?) instead of mrs florrick _____ so many scenes againg cause i call her mrs f"
[16:54] <Trijnstel> log: fyi, not everyone is availalbe 24/7
[16:54] <Trijnstel> *available
[16:54] <log> eh?
[16:54] <Vito> log: next year you can propose yourself as a scrutineer, I'm pretty sure you won't do any mistake
[16:54] <Trijnstel> [22:27] log haha, they made a typo
[16:54] <Trijnstel> [22:27] log after analyzing votes for a week
[16:54] <Trijnstel> [22:27] log that's just sad
[16:54] <SpitfireWP> rock_, David Tennant? Sounds a bit like him.
[16:54] <log> I feel attacked.
[16:55] <Trijnstel> Vito: exactly
[16:55] <log> :(
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[16:55] <Trijnstel> log: what do you think about us?
[16:55] <rock_> SpitfireWP: alan cumming
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[16:56] <log> Trijnstel: I am not going to respond to that, as I feel that I am being targeted by you and Vito.
[16:56] <log> If you want me to have a better perception of you, this isn't helping.
[16:57] <Vito> actually it would help me to have a better one of you ;)
[16:57] <SpitfireWP> Most the time I have to prepare because of the accent, I kinda... and also I, I... I tend to say Mrs Frolic instead of Mrs Florrick. I've hadda le- do. We've had to do so many scenes again because I call her Mrs Florick
[16:57] <SpitfireWP> rock_, ^
[16:57] <SpitfireWP> That's my best shot.
[16:58] <SpitfireWP> Honestly the third time he says her name is different from the first time, which seems unintentional.
[16:58] <rock_> SpitfireWP: Thank you so much! Oh and this one too if you don't mind. That's all. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13823768/this.mp3 "and thanks to liza minnelli for giving me this _____. Goodnight ___."
[16:59] <Trijnstel> log: actually, I don't care what other people think about me - but at least I'm not making fun of others about such minor mistakes which could everyone make
[16:59] <SpitfireWP> And thanks to Liza Minnelli for giving me this ____. Goodnight America!
[17:00] <Snowolf> Noooo not Liza Minelli
[17:00] <log> Trijnstel: I apologize for that. It was a snide remark that shouldn't have been made.
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[17:00] <SpitfireWP> The ____ is odd. Sounds like "part" or "arc"
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[17:00] <log> Lucille 2!
[17:00] <log> somebody, please get that reference
[17:00] <log> please
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[17:00] <tommorris> NWA.Rep got higher votes than Hot Stop?
[17:00] <Trijnstel> log: apologies accepted :)
[17:00] <SpitfireWP> Amazing huh.
[17:00] <log> Trijnstel: :)
[17:01] <Hurricanefan25> O_o
[17:01] <log> tommorris: yeah, I remarked on that earlier
[17:01] <SpitfireWP> Frankly it's amazing either of them got any votes.
[17:01] <SpitfireWP> Let alone over 100 between them.
[17:01] <PeterSymonds> Not really.
[17:01] <PeterSymonds> This is the English Wikipedia.
[17:01] <SpitfireWP> True, true.
[17:01] <worm_that_turned> evening all
[17:01] <Hurricanefan25> Hey worm ;)
[17:01] <Snowolf> 'evening worm
[17:01] <log> hey worm_that_turned
[17:01] <Hurricanefan25> You didn't get elected :(
[17:01] <rock_> SpitfireWP: I have a short clip and he's pointing to a t-shirt that he's wearing, if it's any help. Could be something like "top"?
[17:01] <worm_that_turned> No, I didn't.
[17:01] <rock_> log: arrested development!
[17:01] <log> rock_: yes! :D
[17:02] <SpitfireWP> rock_, yes, top would be it.
[17:02] <Vito> log: btw it was a typo since I made the counts on calc and then copied them in the table "by hand"
[17:02] <worm_that_turned> but that's not exactly the worst thing int he world :)
[17:02] <SpitfireWP> "And thanks to Liza Minnelli for giving me this top. Goodnight America!"
[17:02] <log> Vito: And I appreciate the work that you have done.
[17:02] <Hurricanefan25> ;)
[17:02] <rock_> SpitfireWP: ok, just a sec to be sure.
[17:03] <Vito> log: you can also consider I'm the laziest man on Earth :p
[17:04] <log> Vito: Haha, nah. :P
[17:04] <PeterSymonds> Oh it's true.
[17:04] <SpitfireWP> rock_, btw, I've listened to the first one again, and I think it's actually more like "Most the time I have to prepare because of the accent, I kinda... and also I, I... I tend to say Mrs Frolic instead of Mrs Florrick. I've hadda le- do. We've had to do so many scenes again because I call her Mrs Frolic"
[17:04] <PeterSymonds> Second only to myself.
[17:05] <Vito> also Pathos claims the highest position in the lazy-chart
[17:06] <Vito> maybe a laziness contest...but I'm to lazy to partecipate
[17:06] <PeterSymonds> Same.
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[17:08] <Trijnstel> and don't forget Barras
[17:08] <Trijnstel> ;)
[17:08] <Barras> ?
[17:08] <rock_> SpitfireWP: Thanks again. Sorry, it took my a while, I had to cut the video. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13823768/lm2.avi Can you confirm the missing word here is "top"?
[17:08] <SpitfireWP> 404?
[17:08] <SpitfireWP> nvm
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[17:09] <SpitfireWP> rock_, yeah, def. top.
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[17:10] <rock_> SpitfireWP: Great, thanks. Really appreciated. I made an educated guess but I couldn't be sure.
[17:10] <SpitfireWP> No worries.
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[17:12] <SigMobile> How the HELL did NWA.Rep get more votes than Hot Stop?????
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[17:15] <Dragonfly6-7> Back
[17:15] <lucasoutloud> I did a survey at my school recently about wikipedia for a newspaper article. Care to hear the results?
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[17:17] <SigMobile> lucasoutloud: Sure
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[17:17] <lucasoutloud> Okay, here goes
[17:18] <lucasoutloud> 52% of students said it was accurate.
[17:18] <pticochon> who is nwa.rep?
[17:18] <lucasoutloud> 58% use it on projects for school.
[17:18] <SigMobile> pticochon: Biggest idiot in the galaxy
[17:19] <lucasoutloud> 10% of the students have edited wikipedia.
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[17:19] <lucasoutloud> 6% did so in a non-constructive manner
[17:19] <Snowolf> 6% of the 10%
[17:19] <Snowolf> or 6% of the total
[17:19] <lucasoutloud> Of the total
[17:19] <Snowolf> Thought so.
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[17:20] <lucasoutloud> I thought it would be a bit confusing too, but when you read the pdf or actual paper it makes sense.
[17:20] <Snowolf> SigMobile: since when am I called DaB.? O_o
[17:20] <SigMobile> lucasoutloud: I was expecting a far higher percent of vandals
[17:20] <Snowolf> SigMobile: 6% admit being vandals
[17:20] <Snowolf> 4% don't
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[17:20] <SigMobile> Ah.
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[17:21] <lucasoutloud> SigMobile: That is actually fairly high, in my opinion.
[17:21] <bobrayner_> Quite a few people (if we're counting people, not edits) would feel that they're not vandals even if other editors revert their edits on that basis.
[17:21] <bobrayner_> With surveys, always be wary that self-reported status is not necessarily the same thing as how the questioner considers the status.
[17:22] <lucasoutloud> Would you like to know how it was worded, then?
[17:22] <petan> Snowolf: delete this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/mabdul_draft
[17:22] <bobrayner_> Plus, social norms have an effect. (Famously: If you ask people in a nominally-christian country asking whether they went to church last sunday, you'll get a much higher number than if you went to churches and counted bums on seats)
[17:23] <bobrayner_> asking if people have vandalised wikipedia is likely to suffer from that kind of distortion, just as surely as if you were asking questions about littering or self-abuse or whatever :-)
[17:23] <bobrayner_> sorry, will stop ranting now.
[17:23] <lucasoutloud> Oh, and I figure I should say hi, Snowolf . I'm not usually here on Sundays and I haven't seen you before.
[17:24] <lucasoutloud> bobrayner_: Well, it was asking if the person had "edited in a non-constructive manner, like "trolling"" so it wasn't like HEY ARE YOU A VANDAL or anything.
[17:25] <bobrayner_> Fair point. I was merely ranting about how surveys are an imperfect tool, no matter how hard you try to make the questions neutral &c.
[17:26] <Snowolf> lucasoutloud: Hi.
[17:26] <bobrayner_> (though when I say "imperfect" it doesn't completely invalidate results; rather than results tend to be skewed in a certain direction and we usually know which that direction is)
[17:26] <Snowolf> petan: should be deleted
[17:26] <petan> thanks
[17:26] <bobrayner_> Sorry. :-)
[17:28] <Snowolf> any admins around?
[17:28] <FooBarMartijn> we're all performing intense statistical analasys on ACE2011
[17:29] <FooBarMartijn> In other words: yes
[17:29] <Snowolf> FooBarMartijn: see -en-admns, pleeeease :)
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[17:29] <lucasoutloud> bobrayner_: I will never have a perfect survey and I accept the fact.
[17:29] <FooBarMartijn> Peter was faster
[17:31] <bobrayner_> of course.
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[17:33] <Iamred> Wait, what?!
[17:33] <Iambread> Iamred: :P
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[17:37] <lucasoutloud> >that feel when people remove red links
[17:37] <SigMobile> By delinking them?
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[17:40] <lucasoutloud> Yes
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[17:43] <lucasoutloud> Man, page blanking is so mainstream.
[17:43] <Iamred> So true. :P
[17:44] <SigMobile> It gets reverted by cluebot
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[17:44] <lucasoutloud> I actually just reverted a pageblank; I'm surprised a bot didn't fix it.
�08[17:45] <derp> SigMobile, are you pregnant?
[17:45] <lucasoutloud> The person who did it is registered and has a history of doing naughty things.
�08[17:45] <derp> that wasn't me.
�08[17:45] <derp> lucasoutloud, what's your username
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[17:46] <SigMobile> derp: No
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[17:47] <SigMobile> -________________-
[17:48] <lucasoutloud> ________________: It is lucasoutloud on wikipedia too
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[17:48] <SigMobile> Fuck.
[17:48] <SigMobile> I bet reapereternal came back just so he could oppose tool apprenticeship
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[17:58] <Tannerbaum> ooh, arbcom results
[17:58] <Fluffphone> You're so behind, tanner :p
[17:58] <Tannerbaum> Fluffphone: I was gone!
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[17:59] <Fluffphone> Ohai derpy
[17:59] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: Do you have a server I can use?
[17:59] <SigMobile> Preferably one that has python shells?
[17:59] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: For what?
[17:59] <SigMobile> Bots.
[17:59] <Vito> 'night
[17:59] <Tannerbaum> How many?
[17:59] <SigMobile> One.
�08[17:59] <derp> nite Vito
[17:59] <Tannerbaum> I have one, yes
�08[17:59] <derp> SigMobile, want to run it on my mac?
[17:59] <Tannerbaum> but your bot will need ipbe
[18:00] <SigMobile> Fluffphone: ^
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[18:00] <Fluffphone> Eh?
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[18:00] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: What does it do?
[18:00] <lucasoutloud> Everyone's on their mobiles
[18:00] <Snowolf> puts page protection templates
[18:01] <SigMobile> http://enwp.org/WP:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Lowercase_sigmabot
[18:01] <SigMobile> Yeah
[18:01] <Snowolf> when we're too lazy to put them ourselves
[18:01] <SigMobile> :D
[18:01] <Tannerbaum> it's not approved yet though
[18:01] <SigMobile> It's approved for trial.
[18:01] <Tannerbaum> ok
[18:02] <Tannerbaum> email me the bot and i'll see what i can do
[18:02] <SigMobile> What's your email address?
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[18:02] <SigMobile> Wait, I have to change the bot's password
[18:03] <Tannerbaum> no guarantees that I can run it, though
�08[18:03] <derp> http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/funny-gifs-thank-you.gif
�08[18:03] <derp> teehee
[18:03] <Tannerbaum> not forever, I can until Tuesday
[18:03] <Tannerbaum> after then you should get a toolserver account
[18:03] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: pm'd email
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[18:04] <SigMobile> thanks
�06[18:05] * SigMobile does some final tweaks
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�08[18:06] * derp ddoses Tannerbaum's server.
[18:06] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: Sent.
[18:06] <Tannerbaum> derp: don't make me null route the ip
[18:07] <Tannerbaum> this server is extremely automated
�08[18:07] * derp does a SYN/ACK flood then.
[18:07] <Tannerbaum> i have scripts for eeeeverything
�06[18:07] * SigMobile bleep bloops
[18:07] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: Sorry the code's a mess, btw
[18:07] <lucasoutloud> Fairy Tail's soundtrack is very celtic and sexy sounding.
[18:07] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: is it open source?
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[18:07] <SigMobile> It will be when the BRFA is approved
[18:07] <Tannerbaum> if so, i'm gonna play with it myself a bit
[18:07] <Snowolf> SigMobile: cheer up, can't be worse than when I try to code stuff :D
[18:08] <SigMobile> :P
[18:08] <SigMobile> Sp33dyphil: Hello
[18:09] <Sp33dyphil> hi SigMobile: how's the computer fixing going?
[18:09] <SigMobile> Sp33dyphil: Not good.
[18:09] <SigMobile> I think I'm getting a new one.
[18:09] <Sp33dyphil> k
[18:09] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: what's wrong with your computer?
[18:10] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: Storm without surge protector.
[18:10] <Tannerbaum> ouch
[18:10] <lucasoutloud> Did you do backups
�03[18:10] * quanticle|away is now known as quanticle
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[18:11] <Tannerbaum> lucasoutloud: i doubt it killed the hdd
[18:12] <lucasoutloud> Tannerbaum: He should do backups regardless. BACKUPS.
[18:12] <Mommy> SigMobile, so you found another server to run it on?
[18:12] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: any idea what the package the Wikipedia module is?
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[18:12] <SigMobile> What?
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[18:13] <SigMobile> Mommy: For now, Tannerbaum
[18:13] <Tannerbaum> oh right, you're not a Linux user
[18:13] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: Um.... pywikipedia?
[18:13] <SigMobile> :S
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[18:13] <ryanag> Sig hates Linux.
[18:13] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: Oh, that's a pywikipedia bot?
[18:13] <SigMobile> Yeah
[18:13] <SigMobile> ryanag: Don't be silly, I finally figured out how to use cron :D
[18:13] <Tannerbaum> So I need the framework
[18:13] <ryanag> SigMobile: What is the bot's name
[18:14] <Tannerbaum> Does it need to be manually run or does it just keep running?
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[18:14] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: the file i sent logs in, does its work, and then logs out.
[18:14] <SigMobile> So basically just cron
[18:14] <SigMobile> and it goes forever
[18:14] <Tannerbaum> Okay
[18:14] <Tannerbaum> So I do need to set up a cron job for it
[18:14] <Tannerbaum> or not?
[18:14] <SigMobile> Yaeh, you need a cron entry
[18:15] <Tannerbaum> ok
[18:15] <SigMobile> */5 * * * * python /randomdirectory/protectiontemplates.py
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[18:15] <ryanag> SigMobile: WHAT is it's name (the bot)
[18:16] <SigMobile> John Paul Jones IV.
[18:16] <ryanag> o.o
[18:16] <Earwig> o_O
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[18:17] <lucasoutloud> Whynaut?
[18:19] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: O_o Page [[en:User talk:Bwilkins]] exploded, probably because of an IndexError; skipping.
[18:19] <SigMobile> I still haven't figured that out.
[18:19] <ryanag> exploded?
[18:19] <SigMobile> But didn't it print the exception too?
[18:20] <ryanag> Exploded??? o.o
[18:20] <SigMobile> "list index out of range", right?
[18:20] <Tannerbaum> yeah
[18:20] <ryanag> A page can explode?
[18:20] <ryanag> o.o
[18:20] <Fluffphone> Boom!
[18:20] <ryanag> hmm
[18:21] <ryanag> Tell me more!
[18:21] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: okay, i ran it once
[18:22] <Tannerbaum> it worked
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[18:22] <SigMobile> Yay
[18:22] <ryanag> Is your bot not working or something?
�15[18:22] * Fluffphone (~AndChat@wikipedia/Fluffernutter) Quit (Quit: bai�)
[18:22] <Tannerbaum> now I'm gonna play with the code :P
[18:23] <Tannerbaum> I'll try not to break it
[18:23] <SigMobile> ok
[18:23] <SigMobile> good luck
[18:23] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: If there any major expansions or improvements, email them to me, if you can
[18:23] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: Just cleaning up the code a bit
[18:23] <Tannerbaum> putting it in different files perhaps
[18:24] <SpitfireWP> Hm, kay.
�06[18:24] * SigMobile thanks LL2|JedIRC
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[18:27] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: Is line 31 to 37 really required?
[18:27] <Tannerbaum> the coal ball control page definition
[18:28] <SigMobile> Coal balls are good.
[18:28] <SigMobile> Do you dare to disagree?
[18:28] <ryanag> I like coal CUBES.
[18:28] <ryanag> They are good.
[18:29] <ryanag> ]/whois SigMobile
[18:29] <SigMobile> What.
[18:29] <ryanag> <46e7e5ce@wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma>
[18:29] <ryanag> what is with the stuff before @wikipedia
[18:29] <ryanag> 46e7e5ce
[18:29] <SigMobile> Coal balls.
[18:29] <SigMobile> In disguise.
[18:29] <{Soap}> its the IP address
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�06[18:30] * SigMobile whacks {Soap}
[18:30] <ryanag> of Sigma? That isn't anonymous at all.
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[18:31] <{Soap}> I think it's basically a way to discourage people from using webchats to evade bans
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[18:49] <SigMobile> Any admin here?
[18:49] <log> No.
�03[18:49] * ryanag is now known as ryanag|brb
[18:49] <SigMobile> log: Of course you aren't.
�03[18:49] * quanticle is now known as quanticle|away
[18:49] <log> Oh. I spot a {Soap}.
[18:50] <SigMobile> {Soap}: Can you give me the content of [[Redlinked junk]]?
�06[18:50] * SigMobile is going to try rescuing a problematic user :D
[18:50] <lucasoutloud> admins actually being in irc is too mainstream.
[18:50] <log> *IRC is too mainstream.
[18:51] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: I'm *trying* to clean up the code
[18:51] <SigMobile> Sorry
[18:51] <Tannerbaum> but by clean up the code, I mean putting it in a subdirectory
[18:51] <SigMobile> Ah.
[18:51] <Tannerbaum> :P
�03[18:51] * ryanag|brb is now known as ryanag
[18:51] <Tannerbaum> Just putting everything into its own file
[18:51] <SigMobile> So you're just going to import it, then?
[18:52] <Tannerbaum> Yep!
�06[18:52] * ryanag is panting like a dog
[18:52] <SigMobile> Python needs to have more default modules named after foods
[18:52] <SigMobile> "pickle" isn't enough
[18:52] <lucasoutloud> log: IRC will never be mainstream
[18:52] <log> That's the joke.
[18:52] <lucasoutloud> especially when people think chatting started with AOL and never change.
[18:53] <ryanag> :o
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[18:56] <snail> lucasoutloud: AOL is a new-comer. wall is where it's at
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[18:57] <snail> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_(Unix)
[18:58] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: Can I safely take out https://gist.github.com/2addc2998a45e29d2723 ?
[18:58] <SigMobile> But coal balls are good
[18:58] <SigMobile> OK
[18:59] <Tannerbaum> okay, seperated it into files
�06[19:00] * SigMobile imports mold from log
[19:00] <Tannerbaum> allowbots.py core.py getexpiry.py login.py main.py protectiontemplates.py run.py save.py selectiveremove.py shutoff.py
[19:00] <Tannerbaum> I'm sure it won't work
[19:00] <SigMobile> You are aware that pywikipedia already has a login.py, right?
[19:00] <Tannerbaum> but tis worth a try!
[19:00] <Tannerbaum> oops
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[19:01] <SigMobile> I think I imported login at the top
[19:01] <SigMobile> Yeah, I did
[19:01] <Tannerbaum> ok
[19:01] <Tannerbaum> so the login_manager = login.LoginManager(password="paaaaaaaaaaasword", sysop=False, verbose=False) login_manager.login()
[19:01] <Tannerbaum> not needed?
[19:02] <SigMobile> needed
[19:02] <Tannerbaum> okay
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[19:06] <SigMobile> Ooh
[19:06] <SigMobile> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Tfm&diff=466599998&oldid=466595005
[19:06] <SigMobile> So close.
[19:07] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: Don't run the bot, now I have to code a ton of crap for template namespace too
[19:08] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: What's wrong with that?
[19:08] <SigMobile> See my talk page
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[19:13] <Tannerbaum> SigMobile: Okay, well it doesn't work either
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[19:15] <nprice> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MGBmutt
[19:15] <nprice> someone's been busy
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[19:19] <log> Tannerbaum: damn you :P
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[19:20] <ryanag> =0
[19:21] <SigMobile> log: G4?
�03[19:21] * Tebow_Time is now known as Gfoley4
[19:21] <log> eh?
[19:22] <log> I'm not a deletion discussion
[19:22] <SigMobile> No, the reason Tannerbaum was damned.
[19:22] <log> oh, no
�06[19:22] * SigMobile thinks it's a little funny how NWA takes a website so seriously
[19:22] <log> we both reported an SPI at the same time
[19:22] <SigMobile> Ah.
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[19:25] <ryanag> A troll trolled trollishly on my talk page
[19:25] <SigMobile> Shit.
[19:25] <SigMobile> Recursion blew up the IDLE.
[19:25] <SigMobile> File "<pyshell#32>", line 2, in foo
[19:25] <SigMobile> foo()
[19:25] <SigMobile> Several hundred times
[19:26] <SigMobile> And then
[19:26] <SigMobile> RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
[19:26] <SigMobile> Heh.
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[19:28] <ryanag> Try saying "troll" five times fast.
�15[19:29] * FoeNyx (~Nicolas@wikipedia/FoeNyx) Quit (Quit: Meep Meep�)
[19:29] <log> troll troll troll troll troll
[19:29] <log> now what
[19:29] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: Oh yeah, don't try logging into my main account with that.
[19:29] <SigMobile> The password I gave you.
[19:29] <ryanag> log: Say it OUT LOUD.
[19:30] <SigMobile> log: Say it 20 times fast.
[19:30] <ryanag> hey!
[19:30] <log> haha
[19:30] <ryanag> log: Say it ∞ times fast!!!!!
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[19:30] <log> Infinity isn't a number.
[19:30] <ryanag> Say it Ω-1 times fast!
�08[19:30] * derp overderps log
�08[19:30] <derp> nah
�08[19:30] <derp> just say the e number.
[19:31] <log> that's about 2.16
[19:31] <log> I think
�08[19:31] <derp> you sure?
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�08[19:31] <derp> {{citation needed}}
[19:31] <log> er
[19:31] <ryanag> π = 3.141592535...
[19:31] <log> something with 2._____
[19:31] <log> oh
[19:31] <SigMobile> 2.16
[19:31] <log> 2.71828
[19:31] <log> I was close, I guess
[19:31] <ryanag> phi is 2.16
[19:32] <log> it is?
[19:32] <ryanag> i think. http://enwp.org/Phi_(number)
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[19:33] <ryanag> oh. it's 1�.16
[19:33] <log> 1.61
[19:33] <log> 8
[19:33] <ryanag> uh, yeah.
�06[19:34] * ryanag me me me me me
[19:34] <log> What do you want?
[19:34] <Steven_Zhang> Peter-C: you're a tard
�03[19:34] * Jeff_G is now known as Jeff_G|AFK
[19:34] <log> Let's be nice, Steven.
[19:35] <ryanag> Nnnnnnothing.
[19:35] <Tannerbaum> log: You suck.
[19:35] <log> Now, now.
[19:35] <ryanag> Clam down
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[19:35] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: OK, I've got a new thing that checks whether the page is a template with {{doc}} on it or not
[19:35] <TParis> You all suck, I'm awesome, bit me.
[19:35] <TParis> bite with an "e"
�06[19:36] * Tannerbaum bites TParis' ear
[19:36] <log> TParis is secretly a vampire.
[19:36] <TParis> Oooo....I kinda liked it
[19:36] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: if clean_page.namespace() == 10 and text.lower().count("{{doc") != 0:
[19:36] <SigMobile> print "[[%s]] is a template with {{doc}} on it; skipping." % clean_page
�06[19:36] * ryanag bites TParis' neck
[19:36] <SigMobile> continue
[19:36] <BarkingFish> TParis: You're clearly awesome everywhere bar from the spelling department :)
[19:36] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: Put that in def run()
[19:36] <TParis> Yes, yes you're right.
[19:36] <SigMobile> Right after text = load(clean_page)
[19:37] <ryanag> !whale TParis
[19:37] <Steven_Zhang> I said he's a tard
[19:37] <ryanag> oops
[19:37] <Steven_Zhang> not he's retarded
[19:37] <ryanag> wrong channel.
[19:37] <ryanag> :D
[19:37] <Steven_Zhang> though he's that too.
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�06[19:38] * ryanag gets a trout and Smacks TParis with it.
�06[19:39] * Steven_Zhang picks up a blue whale and whacks ryanag around with it.
[19:40] <ryanag> D;
[19:40] <ryanag> D,:
[19:40] <Steven_Zhang> :d
[19:42] <Steven_Zhang> yey TLC starts soon
[19:42] <SigMobile> Actually
[19:42] <SigMobile> Fuck that
[19:43] <SigMobile> Tannerbaum: I'm sending you another copy of the very messy code
[19:43] <SigMobile> Which has been modified
[19:43] <ryanag> i hate python
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[19:46] <tommorris> how can anyone hate Python?
[19:46] <tommorris> after all Python has done for you.
[19:47] <ryanag> it hase does nothing for me
[19:47] <ryanag> *has
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[19:51] <ryanag> *done
[19:51] <tommorris> significant whitespace? Global Interpreter Lock? I mean, everyone loves Python.
[19:51] <ryanag> i don't
[19:52] <tommorris> (that was sarcasm by the way)
[19:52] <tommorris> I do actually like Python, but like all languages there are things I loathe about it
[19:53] <tommorris> has anyone seen a fundraiser banner with someone wearing sunglasses?
[19:53] <tommorris> I do wish the Foundation had a page on wiki somewhere showing all the banners that are being used in all countries
[19:53] <tommorris> it'd make life so much easier for OTRSers
[19:54] <ryanag> i wish I was an otrser
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[19:54] <tommorris> do you know about copyright? do you thrive on answering questions from crazy and/or angry people?
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[19:55] <tommorris> if so, apply. there's plenty of work that needs doing and OTRS always needs more help.
[19:55] <barts1a> Well... things just got interesting... Sheodred just admitted to meatpuppetry via TheOneWhoWalks at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sheodred
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[19:57] <tommorris> ryanag: also, some actual experience on wiki is quite useful.
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[20:11] <nprice> i see people copying their linkedin profiles to new articles all the time
[20:11] <nprice> but it always seems to be people from India
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[20:34] <snail> nprice: people who appear to be from India; we can't say for sure without a [[WP:RS]]
[20:35] <nprice> do i have to cite sources on IRC
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[20:37] <zscout370> nprice, I also deal with a lot of undeletion requests from a lot of people in that part of the world
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[20:39] <Fluttershy-ENG> ohai
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[20:55] <nprice> zscout370: that'd only be logical :P
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[20:59] <Guest25614> i didn't identfy in time
[20:59] <Guest25614> how do I remove the lock from my nick
[21:00] <Steven_Zhang> Guest25614: /msg nickserv RELEASE yournick yourpassword
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[21:00] <Guest25614> thank you steven
[21:00] <Steven_Zhang> no problemo
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[21:02] <Steven_Zhang> ah its guerillero lol
[21:02] <Steven_Zhang> fail :P
[21:02] <guerillero> yes
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[21:02] <guerillero> it was
[21:03] <Steven_Zhang> and is
[21:03] <Steven_Zhang> and will always be :P
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[21:06] <TParis> http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/382956_332560670106726_205344452828349_1247229_2108973105_n.jpg
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[21:10] <Steven_Zhang> its TParis :D
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[21:14] <TParis> Oh fuck me, it's Steven
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[21:20] <Tannerbaum> TParis: was... that an offer?
[21:20] <{Soap}> looool
[21:20] <Fluttershy-ENG> http://www.newspitter.com/2011/10/12/16-yold-old-brazillian-boy-masterbates-42-times-to-his-death
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[21:20] <Fluttershy-ENG> Look at the picture.
[21:21] <Fluttershy-ENG> good lord.
[21:21] <Tannerbaum> Fluttershy-ENG: old news
[21:21] <Tannerbaum> also, 42 is wrong
[21:21] <Tannerbaum> because 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything
[21:21] <Tannerbaum> not death
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[21:22] <{Soap}> no one can have 42 orgasms in a row
[21:22] <mabdul|busy> Tannerbaum: 21 is only the half answer :/
[21:23] <Fluttershy-ENG> and look at the claims this shit makes
[21:23] <Fluttershy-ENG> 100 million videos
[21:24] <Fluttershy-ENG> equilivant to at least 100TB if we are talking typical 40 min clips of porn.
[21:24] <{Soap}> lol
[21:24] <{Soap}> who could ever watch that much porn?
[21:25] <{Soap}> even assuming each video is only 10 minutes
[21:25] <{Soap}> thats more than 1000 years of porn
[21:25] <Fluttershy-ENG> well as long as it
[21:25] <Fluttershy-ENG> fuck. as long as it is not anime or cartoon porn
[21:25] <iTy> 40 minutes is to long, attention lost
[21:26] <Fluttershy-ENG> iTy, o rly?
�06[21:26] * iTy has a short attention span
[21:27] <Fluttershy-ENG> still death by orgasm is the way to go. lmao
[21:27] <Tannerbaum> Indeed it is.
[21:27] <Fluttershy-ENG> that is a 1000 Ways to Die moment.
[21:27] <Fluttershy-ENG> the one with the two Asians not having a good sex drive.
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[21:33] <barts1a> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_%28album%29&action=historysubmit&diff=466616998&oldid=466616062 appears to be a direct copy-paste of http://www.nme.com/news/foo-fighters/60166
[21:33] <barts1a> should I delete it as copyvio?
[21:33] <Fluttershy-ENG> yes
[21:34] <barts1a> done
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[21:38] <Tannerbaum> barts1a: you're an admin?
[21:38] <barts1a> No
[21:38] <Tannerbaum> oh
[21:38] <Tannerbaum> delete != remove
[21:39] <iTy> When in doubt, blame the admins.
[21:39] <barts1a> Why do people ALWAYS confuse me for an admin?
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[21:39] <barts1a> I really need to make a userbox for it... that is the 9th time so far!
[21:39] <iTy> If you act like you know what you're talking about, it's gonna happen. :P
[21:39] <juancarlos> people always confuse me for someone who cares :(
[21:39] <TParis> I don't.
[21:39] <Prodego> nope
[21:39] <Tannerbaum> hehe, you're using one of my userboxes :D
[21:40] <barts1a> which one is that one?
[21:40] <Tannerbaum> the deadmau5 one
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[21:40] <barts1a> Is your onwiki name Pilif12p ?
[21:40] <Tannerbaum> yes
[21:40] <barts1a> ah...
[21:40] <Tannerbaum> /whois Tannerbaum
[21:40] <barts1a> thanks for the userbox!
[21:41] <Tannerbaum> ;)
[21:41] <Prodego> Tannerbaum: you don't actually have a wiki cloak, so it doesn't /prove/ it
[21:41] <Tannerbaum> Prodego: my cloak is awesome.
�06[21:41] * barts1a needs a ubuntu userbox
[21:42] <iTy> *an ubuntu
[21:42] <barts1a> found one
[21:43] <barts1a> and added
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[21:46] <Tannerbaum> off to play with CentralAuth
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[21:55] <Gfoley4> Facebook: "10 more days until Key West!" other person: "Where's that" <-- Raged a little inside
[21:56] <juancarlos> is that in florida?
[21:57] <Gfoley4> yes
[21:57] <juancarlos> i c
[21:58] <Gfoley4> How do you see Key West?
[21:58] <juancarlos> the intertubes.
[21:58] <Gfoley4> oh yes
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[22:02] <barts1a> Userbox made
[22:02] <barts1a> It's the first one on my page
[22:05] <barts1a> What do you think?
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[22:14] <BlastHardcheese> Heads up, news sources are reporting that Kim Jong-Il died: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/north-korea-leader-kim-jong-il-died-15185456#.Tu6rs9WwVm8
[22:14] <Prodego> yep, we know
[22:15] <juancarlos> yes, hello
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[22:22] <log> Kim Jong Il died
[22:22] <log> oh, I'm late to the party
[22:23] <barts1a> lol
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[22:24] <Steven_Zhang> kim jong il is dead
[22:24] <log> yes, hello killiondude
[22:24] <Steven_Zhang> he was rather il
[22:24] <Sceptre> *kim jong-dead
[22:24] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[22:24] <LtNOWIS2> We should probably main-page that
[22:24] <Steven_Zhang> Yeah
[22:24] <barts1a> probably
[22:24] <log> LtNOWIS2: [[WP:DENY]]
[22:24] <Steven_Zhang> indeed
[22:24] <Steven_Zhang> in the news
[22:24] <Sceptre> it won't go up for days :p
[22:24] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[22:24] <Steven_Zhang> IAE
[22:24] <Steven_Zhang> IAR
[22:24] <log> I think WP:DENY applies to Kim Jong-Il ;P
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[22:25] <Sceptre> so, holy fuck, three deaths on ITN at the same time
[22:25] <log> three people died? in one day? what is this.
[22:25] <log> /s
[22:25] <LtNOWIS2> No, not in one day
[22:25] <Sceptre> What'll get the pull anyway?
[22:25] <LtNOWIS2> But Hitchens and Havel died earlier
[22:25] <Sceptre> Hitchens only went up Saturday
[22:25] <wctaiwan> I see two and some 650+ in the Philippines. :/
[22:26] <Steven_Zhang> http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2010/1010/North-Korea-s-heir-apparent-Kim-Jong-un-appears-with-father-Kim-Jong-il-at-military-parade the new leader of North Korea
[22:26] <log> he's not even ill. he's just un.
[22:26] <barts1a> I just hope that his son isn't as nuke happy
[22:26] <log> I doubt that
[22:26] <LtNOWIS2> The succession isn't official yet
[22:27] <Steven_Zhang> apparently he is more nuke-happy
[22:27] <Sceptre> so, Chirac or Iraq for pulling :p
[22:27] <barts1a> Yeah... the apple usually never falls far from the tree. And it is fairly obvious the son is the first choice
[22:27] <wctaiwan> er, I doubt either of them are nuke-happy
[22:27] <wctaiwan> wanting to develop nukes and wanting to deploy nukes are two different things.
[22:27] <Steven_Zhang> apparently he died of "died of physical and mental over-work on his way to give "field guidance.""
[22:28] <Steven_Zhang> more like "lung cancer and shot gut"
[22:28] <wctaiwan> wait, what, Kim Jong-Il is dead? O_O
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[22:28] <barts1a> Yeah... he finally kicked the bucket
[22:29] <Steven_Zhang> yes he is
[22:29] <wctaiwan> >_> OK. that changes things.
[22:29] <barts1a> The results of ACE2011 are out
[22:30] <wctaiwan> I just hope Kim Jong-un doesn't do something crazy just to assert his power.
[22:30] <wctaiwan> I saw. Too bad WormTT didn't get in :(
[22:30] <barts1a> Surprisingly NWA.Rep got 16.04% support
[22:30] <wctaiwan> on the other hand, since he didn't get in, he'd probably be useful elsewhere.
[22:30] <barts1a> Hot Stop had the lowest support with 12.47%
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[22:30] <wctaiwan> Good thing those two didn't get in, I say. They lack the temperament.
[22:30] <barts1a> Courcelles had the most at 79.74%
[22:31] <wctaiwan> not surprising in the least.
[22:31] <barts1a> wctaiwan: agreed of both counts
[22:31] <barts1a> *on
[22:32] <wctaiwan> (I wonder if people will start vandalising [[Kim Jong-un]])
[22:32] <barts1a> Highly likely
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[22:32] <Steven_Zhang> barts1a: lol yeah
[22:32] <barts1a> I think the most common theme will be "Ding dong, the witch is dead"
[22:33] <Steven_Zhang> Thats cos Courcelles rocks
[22:33] <wctaiwan> ha, barts1a
[22:33] <wctaiwan> Steven_Zhang: I'm sure he won't do so well in two years if he chooses to run again ;-)
[22:33] <wctaiwan> arbcom attracts scorn and lots of it.
[22:33] <Steven_Zhang> lol
[22:34] <Steven_Zhang> thats one thing i'll never do.
[22:34] <barts1a> yeah... arbcom is quite a stressful position
[22:34] <wctaiwan> "King Jong Il was somewhat of an internet culture celebrity, due to his association with the DPRK which is highly esteemed in internet culture"
[22:34] <wctaiwan> highly esteemed?
[22:34] <barts1a> every breath you take is looked at under a microscope
[22:34] <quanticle> wctaiwan: Is that on North Korea's site?
[22:34] <wctaiwan> No, it's on ANI.
[22:35] <wctaiwan> full quote: "I'd suggest that encyclopaedia editors need to generally watch this for a while. King Jong Il was somewhat of an internet culture celebrity, due to his association with the DPRK which is highly esteemed in internet culture. Fifelfoo (talk) 03:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)"
[22:35] <wctaiwan> I don't think they meant anything. They just need to choose a better word.
[22:35] <barts1a> Have you seen this one on the talk page? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kim_Jong-il&curid=161320&diff=466630107&oldid=466629999
[22:35] <wctaiwan> ...
[22:36] <Prodego> wctaiwan: Kim is a great gentleman and scholor, or whatever it is 4chan says
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[22:36] <wctaiwan> oh, really? I didn't know they liked him over there.
[22:36] <Steven_Zhang> Medcom, maybe
[22:36] <Steven_Zhang> but arbcom, no way.
[22:36] <barts1a> wctaiwan: It's 4chan. What do you expect?
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[22:36] <Prodego> wctaiwan: they say that about anyone
[22:37] <Prodego> also many other things about anyone
[22:37] <barts1a> or if the person was good they say that the person was a complete [redacted]
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[22:37] <Steven_Zhang> crappy hair
[22:37] <Steven_Zhang> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/8957668/Kim-Jong-Un-becomes-unexpected-style-icon.html
[22:37] <Steven_Zhang> wctaiwan: lol i have no hats.
[22:37] <barts1a> like they did with steve jobs. Remember that?
[22:37] <wctaiwan> RfA and now ambitions for medcom.
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[22:38] <wctaiwan> oh come on, I kid :P
[22:38] <Steven_Zhang> :p
[22:39] <Steven_Zhang> Kim-jong il was rather ill indeed.
[22:39] <Steven_Zhang> "The leader, reputed to have had a taste for cigars, cognac and gourmet cuisine, was believed to have had diabetes and heart disease."
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[22:40] <Sceptre> is it just me who thinks that tariqwhatisface is becoming a bit of a control freak at ITN?
[22:40] <harej> I'd have a taste for cigar, cognac, and gourmet cuisine too if I had the money.
[22:40] <juancarlos> I added snark to Wikipedia.
[22:40] <juancarlos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tariqabjotu#Excuse_me.3F
[22:41] <Steven_Zhang> harej: i saw a $10,000 bottle of whiskey the other day
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[22:41] <harej> That's just... fabulous.
[22:41] <wctaiwan> juancarlos: do you want a barnstar?
[22:42] <wctaiwan> (for the snarking)
[22:42] <juancarlos> No, I'm good. I usually snark at barnstars as well.
[22:42] <wctaiwan> Good to hear.
[22:42] <juancarlos> ty tho
[22:42] <wctaiwan> (meta joke ruined by incomplete context)
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[22:43] <juancarlos> Te perdono.
[22:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> north korean leader died?
[22:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yay
[22:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> one less dictator
[22:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> UN policy worked!
[22:43] <guerillero> snark is good
[22:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> UNOA: United Nations Old Age
[22:44] <wctaiwan> (That's a thought. Instead of economic sanctions and wars and such, which hurt everyone in the country, the US should just stuff its enemies with glutton and salt and hope they die of diabetes or a heart attack ;-) )
[22:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this year sure is interesting
[22:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> osama, kim and so many onther events
[22:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> even this close towards the end
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[22:45] <Sceptre> do we really need to mention that the guy who broke the news was crying when he did it?
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[22:45] <wctaiwan> when we lack more information, I don't think it's unreasonable.
[22:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sceptre you would cry too
[22:46] <wctaiwan> I presume that paragraph will change completely as more information emerges.
[22:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> tears of joy
[22:46] <juancarlos> Sceptre: The BBC summarized it by saying the announcer was "emotional"
[22:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> world has lost the great leader of the rising sun.
[22:46] <Sceptre> juancarlos: cult of personality and all that
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[22:46] <Sceptre> already well documented
[22:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kim_Jong-il's_titles
[22:47] <kylu> ...they're predicting a mourning period of one or three years.
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[22:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu so the real question is, who will be next
[22:47] <Sceptre> I'm actually chuffed that I got in to edit before everyone else
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[22:48] <kylu> next person dead or next ruler of DPK, ToAruShiroiNeko ?
[22:48] <Steven_Zhang> mourning period?
[22:48] <Steven_Zhang> can we do a rejoycing period
[22:48] <juancarlos> [[mourning period]]
[22:48] <kylu> Steven_Zhang: outside DPK, sure.
[22:48] <juancarlos> omg that's a redlink
[22:48] <wctaiwan> (you bloody western imperialists you)
[22:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> next ruler of NK
�06[22:48] * kylu dislikes celebrating deaths, though.
[22:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and I refuse to call them DPK
[22:48] <kylu> ToAruShiroiNeko: Kim Jong-un, his youngest son, swiss educated computer scientist.
[22:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ah even nerdier than him :D
[22:49] <kylu> according to S. Korean television anyway. *points at telly window*
[22:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont think that will be the case
[22:49] <kylu> wait and see, then.
[22:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think this is one of the biggest events of the year
[22:50] <wctaiwan> computer scientist? oh god.
[22:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan yes
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[22:50] <guerillero> the brother in law of kim jong-il
[22:50] <guerillero> is the nuber 2
[22:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> kim jong-il v.2.0
[22:51] <Sceptre> "Are you in North Korea? Please send us your comments using the form below."
[22:51] <guerillero> and will fill in until kim jong-un can fill in
[22:51] <guerillero> lol
[22:51] <guerillero> Dear Leader, who is a perfect incarnation of the appearance that a leader should have -- best title ever
[22:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Highest Incarnation of the Revolutionary Comradely Love
[22:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> "Comradely Love"?
[22:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> GAY
[22:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :p
[22:52] <guerillero> Ever-Victorious, Iron-Willed Commander
[22:52] <guerillero> lol
[22:53] <guerillero> Glorious General, Who Descended From Heaven
[22:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> well
[22:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> now he ascended back
[22:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> tho probably decended to hell
[22:54] <guerillero> yes
[22:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we need a [[List of currently serving dictators]]
[22:55] <juancarlos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dictators
[22:55] <Bsadowski1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il died
[22:55] <Bsadowski1> OH
[22:56] <Bsadowski1> >_>
[22:56] <wctaiwan> guerillero: should really ask LRH instead.
[22:56] <Bsadowski1> Now I read the news late.
[22:56] <juancarlos> you can sort by "present"
[22:56] <Bsadowski1> ylol
[22:56] <Bsadowski1> See.
[22:56] <Bsadowski1> IRC is fast. :D
[22:56] <barts1a> A lot of latecomers today
[22:56] <guerillero> LHR?
[22:56] <wctaiwan> L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Sceintology.
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[22:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> juancarlos needs a list of "present" collection
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[22:58] <Sceptre> http://i.imgur.com/9OA1M.png BOOM
[22:58] <Sceptre> ToAruShiroiNeko: there's all sorts of NPOV issues there
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[22:59] <juancarlos> why did you imgur that?
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[23:00] <juancarlos> NO TOUCHING
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[23:01] <kylu> oh, hey, ToAruShiroiNeko ?
[23:02] <kylu> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39570643/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/official-kim-jong-un-be-next-n-korea-leader/#.Tu622_KboUE
[23:02] <kylu> bamf.
[23:02] <wctaiwan> The redirects leading to older revisions bug is really getting annoying :/
�08[23:02] <derp> hail hail robonia
�08[23:02] <derp> a land i didn't make up
[23:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> kylu thats the official story
[23:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but will the politics allow it
[23:02] <Bsadowski1> wctaiwan
[23:02] <Bsadowski1> Take a look at:
[23:03] <wctaiwan> (oh the suspense :P)
[23:04] <Bsadowski1> nevermind
�08[23:04] <derp> http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/368988546
�08[23:04] <derp> lol /b/ thread on it
[23:04] <Bsadowski1> It was on wiki.teamfortress.com
[23:04] <wctaiwan> er, k.
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[23:06] <juancarlos> I seldom, if ever, find /b/ funny.
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[23:06] <Sceptre> what is the fetish for "Death of X" pages on Wikipedia?
[23:06] <Sceptre> NOTNEWS, guys
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[23:06] <Sceptre> we only have a paragraph of content at the moment
[23:06] <juancarlos> yeah, those are dumb.
[23:07] <Prodego> Sceptre: we are news though
[23:07] <Prodego> after a couple months it all dies down
[23:07] <Prodego> and we go back to being an encyclopedia
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[23:07] <Sceptre> I don't see the point in an article with only two lines, though
[23:08] <Sceptre> saying exactly what the main article does
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[23:08] <juancarlos> it's for fun.
[23:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> did he post anything
[23:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I disconnected
[23:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan maybe he wants you to take a look at his colon
[23:09] <wctaiwan> er, no.
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[23:09] <wctaiwan> also, Sceptre, if you're that bothered, stick it on your watchlist and prod in a month
[23:09] <wctaiwan> no one will care >.>
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[23:10] <Sceptre> wctaiwan: eh
[23:10] <wctaiwan> doing it now will attract drama, I'd think.
[23:10] <wctaiwan> then in a month people would realise you're right :P
[23:10] <Sceptre> once the comments from heads of states come in, then you can expand
[23:11] <wctaiwan> eh, idk, I'd think unless the death itself was significant (e.g. that of JFK), we don't need an article.
[23:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sceptre hmm aside from china who nwould comment really
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[23:11] <Sceptre> ToAruShiroiNeko: Obama, Cameron, Gillard, Sarkozy, Merkel, etc will all make "passing of a tyrant comments"
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[23:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> his death is significant
[23:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sceptre OH
[23:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes
[23:12] <Sceptre> which, despite not being Wikiquote, always get verbatim copying into the article
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[23:12] <Sceptre> wctaiwan: it's a [[WP:SUMMARY]] thing
[23:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can see obama crying as much as the NK reporter
[23:13] <wctaiwan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Summary ?
[23:13] <Sceptre> summary style
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[23:13] <barts1a> I just tweaked my userbox to use a variable
[23:14] <wctaiwan> right, that's my point, Sceptre. If he died of illness like most others... what's the significance?
[23:14] <wctaiwan> what will we expand on?
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[23:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wctaiwan aftermath
[23:14] <wctaiwan> *if* there is an aftermath
[23:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sure there will be
[23:14] <The359> I wonder if the one person in North Korea with internet is vandalizing Kim Jong-Il articles...
[23:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> The359 unlikely that such a person can see the internet
[23:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> NK internet is intranet
[23:15] <The359> I was joking
[23:15] <wctaiwan> I'd think any such content would more likely be more appropriate for say, [[DPRK election of 2012]] or whatever.
[23:16] <wctaiwan> actually strictly speaking it's internet, ToAruShiroiNeko. just not the Internet.
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[23:17] <Sceptre> The359: the BBC is asking people in North Korea to fill out comments on their website
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[23:17] <The359> lol
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[23:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sceptre plenty of people there with them tweeters :P
[23:17] <Sceptre> http://kotaku.com/5869207/video-game-almost-predicted-kim-jong+ils-death holy shit
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[23:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sceptre feeeky
[23:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> assasination!
[23:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :D
[23:19] <kylu> ToAruShiroiNeko: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homefront_%28video_game%29#Plot
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[23:21] <wctaiwan> wtf, spelling mistake in Al Jazeera's report on Kim's death.
[23:21] <wctaiwan> I had higher hopes for them.
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[23:24] <Winnie-the-Pooh> is mcbride around?
[23:26] <Steven_Zhang> Nah
[23:27] <Sceptre> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Death_of_Kim_Jong-il anyone fora suppression?
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[23:28] <Winnie-the-Pooh> done, sceptre
[23:28] <BarkingFish> Morning guys, just a quick note - I just found out about Kim Jong Il dying, and went to look at his article on WP. There's a cock up in there, and it needs fixing.
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[23:28] <Sceptre> awesome <3
[23:28] <Sceptre> BarkingFish: yeah
[23:29] <Sceptre> it's called the infobox phot
[23:29] <Sceptre> o
[23:29] <Sceptre> :D
[23:29] <BarkingFish> The article states he died 17 december, the infobox on the side states he died 19 december
[23:29] <BarkingFish> which is right?
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[23:29] <foks> 17
[23:29] <Sceptre> BarkingFish: died on the 17th, announced on the 19th
[23:29] <BarkingFish> Sceptre: yeah, the infobox says he died on the 19th, so I'll dip in and fix that
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[23:30] <foks> No you won;t
[23:30] <wctaiwan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kim_Jong-il_on_August_24,_2011.jpg interesting licence.
[23:30] <foks> 'cos I already did
[23:30] <foks> :3
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[23:30] <Steven_Zhang> indeed.
[23:31] <Steven_Zhang> ffs i want to download TLC
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[23:31] <BarkingFish> oh dear, the fun has started....
[23:32] <foks> ??
[23:32] <foks> Edit conflix!
[23:32] <foks> :3
[23:32] <BarkingFish> foks: look at the nick which just joined...
[23:32] <foks> Oh joy
[23:32] <BarkingFish> I can see this being a regular thing for a while now...
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[23:32] <foks> KJICanRotInHell, Hi there! Mind changing your nick? ;)
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[23:33] <BarkingFish> foks: yeah, I suspect I'm inb4u on this one, dunno cause my edit still hasn't formally gone through - unless someone beat us both
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[23:33] <foks> BarkingFish, I already edited it
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[23:33] <foks> and then edited it again to add a ref.
[23:33] <foks> :3
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[23:33] <BarkingFish> ...
[23:34] <Jeske_Merensky> .........
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[23:34] <ByeByeKJI> ok, changed
[23:34] <Tannerbaum> Hey
[23:34] <Tannerbaum> GTFO
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[23:34] <Tannerbaum> Prodego used kickban. It was super affective!
[23:34] <Fredddie> hehe
[23:35] <foks> Would it be too severe to do a +b on *KJI* ?
[23:35] <foks> :D
[23:35] <Tannerbaum> in pm
[23:35] <Tannerbaum> <ByeByeKJI> You are obviously pro-communist stalinist
[23:35] <Prodego> anyone good at reddit :)
[23:35] <foks> ;mao
[23:35] <foks> * lmao
[23:35] <Tannerbaum> My response: "Yes, yes I am."
[23:35] <Tannerbaum> So far nothing back, agreeing with trolls always confuses them
[23:35] <Tannerbaum> It's like dividing by zero
[23:36] <foks> heh
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[23:37] <topaz> "It gratifies your friends and only confounds your enemies."
[23:37] <Sp33dyphil> wow, Kim Jong-il is dead
[23:37] <Jeske_Merensky> ?
[23:37] <foks> Welcome to two hours ago, Sp33dyphil
[23:37] <foks> :d
[23:37] <topaz> meet the new boss.
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[23:38] <BarkingFish> Sp33dyphil: yup. Apparently died from Physical and Mental Exhaustion while onboard his private train during a visit somewhere
[23:38] <Sp33dyphil_> physical exhaustion? How ironic
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[23:39] <Fredddie> someone held dinner over his head and he had to jump?
[23:39] <Fredddie> a lot.
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[23:39] <Sp33dyphil_> most likely
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[23:39] <Fredddie> I wanted to watch Team America tonight, but it's not steamable on Netflix :(
[23:39] <Fredddie> streamable*
[23:40] <BarkingFish> "Death thru physical and mental exhaustion due to working tirelessly for the North Korean people" :P
[23:40] <BarkingFish> bullshit
[23:40] <Sp33dyphil_> Team America: World Police? Yeah
[23:40] <BarkingFish> the only thing he ever worked for was his own fucking benefit :P
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[23:41] <BarkingFish> at 69 and after a stroke, wctaiwan - I'd be surprised if he could get the elevator to rise, let alone keep it in the liftshaft for any length of time :P
[23:41] <wctaiwan> hahaha.
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[23:42] <Sp33dyphil_> what's the name of the guy's son?
[23:42] <Fredddie> there's a mental image I won't ever get out of my head
[23:42] <quanticle> wctaiwan: Too bad. I made that joke earlier.
[23:42] <BarkingFish> Kim Jong Un
[23:42] <topaz> Kim Jong Woon.
[23:42] <Fredddie> Kim Jong-Just-As-Crazy
[23:42] <topaz> or, that.
[23:42] <BarkingFish> Who was already appointed as his father's successor
[23:43] <harej> Is there anyone here with accounting experience?
[23:43] <BarkingFish> so we have more crazy to look forward to now
�06[23:43] * Sp33dyphil_ wonders how much of a punching bag Kim Jong un is
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[23:43] <BarkingFish> Sp33dyphil_: he's quite large, I'd imagine you'd lose a boxing glove in his stomach
[23:43] <harej> He certainly looks doughy enough to BE a punching bag!
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[23:44] <Fredddie> *punch* *sproing*
[23:44] <BarkingFish> harej: Maybe a better name for him would be Pyongyang's Pilsbury doughboy
[23:44] <wctaiwan> anyway, off I go.
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[23:44] <BarkingFish> more guts than a turkish butchers shop window
[23:44] <Fredddie> that's just offal
[23:44] <BarkingFish> yeah, it's not great, is it? :)
[23:45] <Sp33dyphil> more folds than an origami crane
[23:45] <BarkingFish> lol
[23:45] <BarkingFish> I like. I have to remember that one
[23:45] <Sp33dyphil> lol
[23:46] <BarkingFish> I heard the best simile yesterday... my next door neighbors bought their christmas tree home from town, and when they took it out of the net, the base of it was about 8 feet wide...
[23:46] <BarkingFish> The husband said to his wife "What the fuck have you bought here? It's built like Attila the Hun in a Wedding dress"
[23:46] <Fredddie> haha
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[23:49] <Sp33dyphil> BarkingFish: this is probably aimless, but you think Death of the "Dear Leader"=less-aggressive NK?
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[23:49] <Sp33dyphil> will there be two Eternal Presidents in NK?
[23:50] <Fredddie> maybe an Eternal Presidential Council
[23:52] <BarkingFish> Sp33dyphil: no, absolutely not
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[23:52] <BarkingFish> His son, Pilsbury porker the Pyongyang crashmat has been grown in his dear daddy's image, so basically, he's a ruthless, cold hearted asshole.
[23:53] <Sp33dyphil> BarkingFish: "The communist country's "Dear Leader" - reputed to have had a taste for cigars, cognac and *gourmet cuisine*" that explains the non-North Korean figure
[23:53] <Sp33dyphil> BarkingFish: do you edit Uncyclopedia?
[23:53] <BarkingFish> no
[23:54] <Sp33dyphil> maybe you should
[23:55] <Sp33dyphil> BarkingFish: have you considered doing so?
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[23:56] <Steven_Zhang> why is no one uploading TLC yet
[23:57] <BarkingFish> Sp33dyphil: to be honest, no I hadn't. Why? Do you think i'd be good at it?
[23:57] <BarkingFish> or are they just desperate for editors?
[23:57] <Sp33dyphil> no, you can write almost anything you want, but it has to be funny
[23:58] <BarkingFish> that let's me out then
[23:58] <BarkingFish> I can write what I like, but I'm rarely funny :)
[23:59] <Sp33dyphil> read http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/8964905/North-Koreas-Kim-Jong-il-dies-aged-69.html
[23:59] <Sp33dyphil> particularly the bottom paragraphs about his taste for food
[23:59] <Steven_Zhang> rename kim jong il to kim jong ill
[23:59] <BarkingFish> unless you're considering "funny, as in 'can of weiners and beans short of a camping trip' kind of funny.."
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