User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2012-08-15
MyWikiBiz, Author Your Legacy — Wednesday December 25, 2024
Jump to navigationJump to search--- Log opened Wed Aug 15 00:00:06 2012 00:00 < Frostee> but then where would I go? o_O 00:01 -!- Mdann52 is now known as Mdann52-food 00:02 < Isarra> I don't know. 00:03 < Frostee> I'm up to 48,000 btw 00:03 < Isarra> So what CSD do you use when someone copied the rendered text of an article and pasted it into a template? 00:05 < Jeske_Merensky> Isarra) TfD 00:06 < Isarra> Technically it's a copyright violation, it duplicates an article on an existing topic, and qualifies as a test page. Why would it need discussion? 00:07 < Isarra> And huggle just asked me if I wanted to tag something for deletion instead when I was tagging it for deletion. Smart. 00:07 < Frostee> 62,000 as of the end of 2006 00:07 < Isarra> Eep. 00:08 < Frostee> still got 2006 and 2005 to go o_O 00:08 < Frostee> assuming qvfd existed in 2005 00:08 < Jeske_Merensky> "To have betrayed two leaders—to have wrecked two historic parties—reveals a depth of infamy never previously reached, compared with which the Thugs of India are faithful friends and Judas Iscariot is entitled to a crown of glory." —John Burns, talking about Joseph Chamberlain 00:11 < Isarra> How do you request something be salted? 00:12 < Frostee> Magic 00:13 < Jeske_Merensky> Isarra) Mail a bag of salt to an admin. 00:15 < Isarra> I don't think I know where any live. 00:15 -!- Venusaur [~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15 < Isarra> Er... wait, actually, I do... 00:15 -!- Ironholds [~Ironholds@wikipedia/Ironholds] has quit [] 00:15 < Frostee> Isarra: 74,676 00:15 < Isarra> Total? Or is that just so far? 00:15 -!- rr0 [kvirc@wikipedia/ruslik0] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:16 < Frostee> Thankyou or using FrosteeCounterBot. Have a nice day! 00:16 < Frostee> total 00:16 < Isarra> Oooo. 00:16 < Frostee> why would I give 74,676 if I'm doing it in lots of 2000? 00:16 < Isarra> No idea. 00:16 < Frostee> :D 00:17 < Frostee> So what are you to use this information for? 00:17 -!- Venusaur [~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:17 < Frostee> And if you say nothing I will hit you 00:18 < Isarra> The adminatti will decide whether or not a pool should be opened regarding the ability to undelete it. 00:19 < Isarra> But in the meantime I'm going to bed. 00:20 -!- fn-troll is now known as ow 00:20 * Frostee hits Isarra 00:21 < Isarra> Ow. 00:21 < ow> Yes? 00:21 < Isarra> He hit me. 00:21 < ow> and then you hilighted me 00:23 < Isarra> So I did. 00:24 * Isarra puts a barnstar tattoo on ow. 00:24 < ow> ow 00:27 -!- tyime [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 00:27 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:27 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 00:27 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:29 -!- localhost [~chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29 -!- Mdann52-food [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30 < Frostee> hahahaha 00:30 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:30 < IShadowed> Lord jesus christ 00:30 < IShadowed> my back is killing me 00:32 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:33 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@mediawiki/Yuvipandan] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:39 -!- Sp33dyphil [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:40 -!- Venusaur [~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47 -!- Christoph_WMDE [~chatzilla@p5DDC6B71.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:51 -!- Apheori [~dirien@174-29-156-199.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:51 -!- Apheori [~dirien@174-29-156-199.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:51 -!- Apheori [~dirien@wikimedia/Isarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:57 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@mediawiki/Yuvipandan] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:57 -!- AndrewN[AFK] [~Andrew@wikimedia/AndrewN] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:59 -!- AndrewN[AFK] [~Andrew@adsl-108-207-167-81.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:59 -!- AndrewN[AFK] [~Andrew@adsl-108-207-167-81.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:59 -!- AndrewN[AFK] [~Andrew@wikimedia/AndrewN] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:00 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 01:01 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:01 -!- AndrewN_ [~Andrew@adsl-108-207-167-81.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:01 -!- AndrewN[AFK] [~Andrew@wikimedia/AndrewN] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Quit: I've just disappeared in a puff of smoke] 01:15 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-174-111-088-120.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:19 -!- Keegan_ [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Keegan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19 -!- Froodsleep [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-53-235.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:38 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:40 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:47 -!- aoke1989 [~Administr@wikipedia/Aoke1989] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:48 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:55 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:00 -!- Jeske_Merensky [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: Eek! Yoshi! *flees*] 02:05 < IRWolfie-> IShadowed: sleep wrong? 02:06 < IShadowed> ? 02:06 < IShadowed> no 02:06 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:11 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:13 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:13 -!- Sp33dyphil [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Sp33dyphil] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 02:16 < IRWolfie-> IShadowed: I meant for the sore back 02:16 < IShadowed> I know 02:16 < IShadowed> which is why I followed ? with 02:16 < IShadowed> 'no' 02:18 -!- The_Thing [~ODORBLOCK@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18 < Steven_Zhang> Evening. 02:19 < IRWolfie-> o/ 02:19 * Steven_Zhang is hungry :/ 02:19 < Steven_Zhang> wait…today is supposed to be my day off. 02:19 -!- DanielB [~Daniel@CPE-58-160-168-199.unqy1.fli.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:19 -!- DanielB [~Daniel@CPE-58-160-168-199.unqy1.fli.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 02:19 -!- DanielB [~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:20 < IShadowed> hi Steven_Zhang 02:20 < Steven_Zhang> yo 02:20 -!- TheCavalry [~Chase@188-223-85-48.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:20 < Steven_Zhang> yo TheCavalry 02:20 -!- TheCavalry [~Chase@188-223-85-48.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 02:20 -!- TheCavalry [~Chase@wikipedia/Chase-me-ladies-Im-the-Cavalry] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:21 < TheCavalry> hey, at work: little busy :-) 02:21 < Steven_Zhang> lol. 02:21 < Steven_Zhang> I'm at work too 02:21 < Steven_Zhang> Wikipedia :P 02:21 < norbit> Steven_Zhang: TheCavalry too! 02:21 < norbit> :O 02:21 < Steven_Zhang> Yes 02:22 < Steven_Zhang> But diff places 02:23 * Steven_Zhang is going to queensland in a week 02:24 < norbit> Steven_Zhang: lolwut 02:25 < Steven_Zhang> yeh 02:30 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:30 -!- Frostee is now known as Frostee|away 02:30 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Quit: Steven_Zhang] 02:34 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:34 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 02:34 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:35 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has quit [Quit: Subject has jacked out] 02:39 -!- Noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:39 -!- Andorin [~anon@unaffiliated/andorin] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:42 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:44 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@mediawiki/Yuvipandan] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:49 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:50 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@122.174.174.170] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:50 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@122.174.174.170] has quit [Changing host] 02:50 -!- yuvipanda [~yuvipanda@mediawiki/Yuvipandan] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:51 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:51 -!- MartijnWork [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:53 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:55 -!- Vito [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:55 -!- Vito_away [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04 -!- Vito is now known as Vito_away 03:05 -!- Jetro [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:07 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Quit: Steven_Zhang] 03:10 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:10 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 03:10 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:13 -!- OlEnglish [~OlEnglish@wikipedia/OlEnglish] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13 -!- OlEnglish [~OlEnglish@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:13 -!- OlEnglish [~OlEnglish@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:13 -!- OlEnglish [~OlEnglish@wikipedia/OlEnglish] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:13 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.187.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:14 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:15 -!- Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte 03:16 < Mdann52> Is there any warning templates for users who add contact details to articles? 03:20 < norbit> Mdann52: {{uw-stalk1}} 03:20 < Mdann52> Even if it's their own? 03:20 < Mdann52> Details? 03:21 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.188.56] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:31 -!- Frostee|away is now known as Frostee 03:34 -!- Dcoetzee [~Dcoetzee@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36 < TeeTylerToe> that's for the oversight people 03:38 < Mdann52> Ok 03:46 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.188.56] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:46 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.188.56] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:49 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.188.56] has quit [Client Quit] 03:50 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@dslb-094-217-018-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:50 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@dslb-094-217-018-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:50 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@wikipedia/Lukas23] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:51 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:55 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:55 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has quit [Quit: Steven_Zhang] 03:56 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:56 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:56 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 03:56 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:57 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@cpc13-grim14-2-0-cust79.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:57 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@cpc13-grim14-2-0-cust79.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:57 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:58 -!- Thoreau [~R@sm1-84-91-37-56.netvisao.pt] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:59 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.188.56] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:00 -!- Thoreau [~R@sm1-84-91-37-56.netvisao.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 04:07 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac23a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.194.58] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:07 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #wikipedia-en [] 04:11 -!- norbit [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:12 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac23a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.194.58] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:17 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:20 < TeeTylerToe> wow is the signpost gossipy 04:21 < wctaiwan> Signpost is frequently contrarian and sometimes worryingly so. 04:21 < TeeTylerToe> how is it contrarian? 04:21 < wctaiwan> but it depends on the writers they can get... 04:22 < wctaiwan> I can't put it clearly, but there have been times when it included articles that had me going ehhhh 04:22 < TeeTylerToe> ... 04:22 < wctaiwan> I think there was something from the recent Fae debacle. 04:23 < wctaiwan> anyway I'll be quiet now. Carry on :P 04:23 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:26 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:28 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:28 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:28 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:35 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@host-89-240-164-48.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:35 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@host-89-240-164-48.as13285.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:35 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:36 < geniice> ah the temptation to be nasty to nationalists on OTRS 04:39 -!- matt_buck [~mattbuck@95.148.188.102] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:42 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.188.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:44 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Quit: User has quit this network.] 04:45 < Mdann52> Any admins in here? 04:45 -!- matt_buck is now known as mattbuck 04:46 < geniice> yes 04:47 < Mdann52> Can you help me in -help please - there's a user stuck in an IP block 04:48 < geniice> ok 04:49 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:51 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@wikipedia/Lukas23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:51 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:51 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@dslb-094-217-018-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:51 -!- mys_721tx [~mys_721tx@wikipedia/mys-721tx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:51 -!- Mdann52 is now known as Mdann52-away 04:52 -!- mys_721tx [~mys_721tx@ResNet-60-70.resnet.ucsb.edu] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:52 -!- mys_721tx [~mys_721tx@ResNet-60-70.resnet.ucsb.edu] has quit [Changing host] 04:52 -!- mys_721tx [~mys_721tx@wikipedia/mys-721tx] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:52 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@dslb-094-217-018-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:52 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@wikipedia/Lukas23] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:53 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:55 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:55 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:56 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@host-92-15-192-172.as43234.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:56 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@host-92-15-192-172.as43234.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:56 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Jarry1250] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:58 -!- seanw [spw@freenode/staff-emeritus/wikimedia.sean-whitton] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:58 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:04 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:05 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-53-235.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Beams.] 05:09 -!- Andorin [~anon@unaffiliated/andorin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:10 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:11 < geniice> I see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/ is as helpful as ever 05:12 -!- Mdann52-away is now known as Mdann52 05:13 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [~admin@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:13 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:14 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:15 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:18 -!- Jarry1250_ [~chatzilla@host-92-15-192-172.as43234.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:18 -!- Jarry1250_ [~chatzilla@host-92-15-192-172.as43234.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:18 -!- Jarry1250_ [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Jarry1250] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:18 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [EVA@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:19 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Jarry1250] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:20 -!- Jarry1250_ is now known as Jarry1250 05:22 -!- seanw [spw@freenode/staff-emeritus/wikimedia.sean-whitton] has quit [Quit: seanw] 05:26 -!- u99of9 [~chatzilla@124.171.57.3] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:29 -!- u99of9 [~chatzilla@124.171.57.3] has quit [Changing host] 05:29 -!- u99of9 [~chatzilla@wikimedia/U99of9] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:33 -!- aoke1989 [~Administr@wikipedia/Aoke1989] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:33 < geniice> http://richkidsofinstagram.tumblr.com/ 05:34 < Mdann52> What us that about? 05:35 < wctaiwan> rich kids of instragram? >_> 05:35 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35 -!- Frood [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:35 -!- Frood [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:35 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:35 -!- Mdann53 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:36 < geniice> depending on your POV light mocking of the rich or class envy 05:36 < Mdann53> Ah ok 05:39 -!- Qcoder02 [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/qcoder02] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:39 < Qcoder02> Quick question 05:40 < Qcoder02> Patron Saint of Wikipedians is ? 05:40 < Qcoder02> (Other than Jimbo) 05:40 < Mdann53> He is the only one 05:40 < Qcoder02> And the Great Architect of the Project :) 05:41 -!- Mdann53 is now known as Mdann52 05:41 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 05:41 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:41 < wctaiwan> Y'all forgot about Sanger. 05:41 -!- Noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 05:42 < geniice> Qcoder02 I'm not aware of the Vatican providing a ruling at this time however there is a case for Jude the Apostle 05:42 < Mdann52> I went there yesterday! 05:42 < geniice> he is the patron saint of desperate cases and lost causes 05:42 < Mdann52> Sorry, random outburst there 05:43 < Mdann52> geniice, sounds a lot like wikipedia :) 05:43 -!- noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:43 < Qcoder02> I think there was also a claim made by one group that some Saint connected with Bible manuscripts was appropriate to Internet writers... 05:43 < Qcoder02> (Possibly Saint Micheal) 05:45 < wctaiwan> geniice: You mean Jimbo? 05:45 < geniice> no 05:45 -!- Wiki13 is now known as Wiki13|Away 05:45 < Qcoder02> geniice: IS there a saint connected with scribes? 05:46 < Qcoder02> I would say given that his role was 'communication' of the Gospel, John the Evangelist might figure as well... 05:46 < geniice> see list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_of_Alexandria 05:47 < Mdann52> I still think Jimbo............ 05:48 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Quit: I've just disappeared in a puff of smoke] 05:48 -!- Gnumarcoo [~Marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:48 < Qcoder02> geniice : HMmm 05:52 -!- DanielB [~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:53 < wctaiwan> o_O surreal 05:53 < wctaiwan> I was watching this video on YouTube a few days ago. The uploader hadn't been active for a year or so. 05:53 < wctaiwan> And then today I notice a new reply to a comment on the video. 05:54 -!- rschen7754 [~rschen775@wikipedia/rschen7754] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:54 -!- Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away 05:54 < Qcoder02> Any Catholics in? 05:54 -!- Lcawte|Away [lcawte@Wikimedia/Lcawte] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:54 -!- rschen7754 [~rschen775@wikipedia/rschen7754] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:55 -!- Lcawte [lcawte@Wikimedia/Lcawte] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:55 < RexxS> Peter Damian was a saint. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Damian - but there may be other objections. 05:56 < Qcoder02> And those objections would be? 05:57 < RexxS> Wikipedia may not want a reformer as its patron saint? 05:58 < Qcoder02> Hmm 05:58 < Qcoder02> To me a Wikipedian patron site would be an educator, communicator or scribe... 05:58 < IShadowed> Qcoder02, why are you looking for a Catholic 05:59 < Qcoder02> IShadowed: They know more about specifc saints than non-catholics ;) 05:59 < IShadowed> Meh. 05:59 < Qcoder02> I asked if Wikipedians had a Patron Saint 05:59 < Qcoder02> ;) 05:59 < IShadowed> no but there is a patron saint of television 06:00 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:00 < RexxS> http://www.catholic.org/saints/patron.php?letter=E 06:01 < RexxS> Television = Clare, Gabriel the Archangel 06:01 -!- Venusaur [~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:01 < RexxS> even seems to be a patron saint of editors 06:01 -!- rschen7754 [~rschen775@wikipedia/rschen7754] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:02 -!- rschen7754 [~rschen775@wikipedia/rschen7754] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:02 < Qcoder02> Hmm 06:02 < Qcoder02> Who wrote the first collections of Church doctrine and practice? 06:02 < RexxS> Jimbo? 06:02 < RexxS> (just a guess) 06:03 < Qcoder02> I was being serious for a moment 06:03 < Qcoder02> :) 06:03 < Qcoder02> Time for e reference Desk question 06:03 < Qcoder02> ;) 06:03 < RexxS> wrong channel 06:05 < RexxS> ok - First Council of Nicaea is a good starting point 06:07 < IRWolfie-> I'm pretty sure that is when they compiled the first bible at least 06:07 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip72-193-246-5.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:07 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:07 -!- ragesoss [~sage@wikimedia/ragesoss] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:07 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@cpc13-grim14-2-0-cust79.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:07 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@cpc13-grim14-2-0-cust79.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 06:07 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:08 < Qcoder02> SO a Patron Saint of Wikipedia, might be someone that was at the First Council... 06:08 < Qcoder02> Hmm 06:11 -!- closedmouth [~mouthy@wikipedia/closedmouth] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12 -!- closedmouth [mouthy@wikipedia/closedmouth] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:20 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:21 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:21 -!- Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away 06:25 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:25 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:27 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:28 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:28 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 06:28 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:30 -!- Roscoe_ [~incant@210-59-192-150.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:30 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:32 -!- Mrmatiko [~Mrmatiko@wikipedia/Mrmatiko] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:34 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: First you need to find some miracles they allegedly performed :> 06:34 < Qcoder02> Of course :( 06:34 < Qcoder02> And that's the hard part 06:35 < IRWolfie-> (or technically intercede if you don't like the paganism implications) 06:35 < IRWolfie-> *interceded for 06:36 < IRWolfie-> I didn't realise theologians were medical doctors: "For example, an American deacon claimed in 2000 that Blessed John Henry Newman interceded with God to cure him. The American, Jack Sullivan, asserted that after addressing Newman he was cured of spinal stenosis in a matter of hours. In 2009, a panel of theologians concluded that Sullivan's recovery was the result of his prayer to Newman." 06:36 -!- k [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:36 -!- k is now known as Logan_ 06:36 < IRWolfie-> "a medical recovery must be instantaneous, not attributable to treatment, disappear for good." <-- that includes natural recovery seemingly 06:37 < IRWolfie-> We can have arbcom as our panel of theologians 06:37 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:37 < IRWolfie-> see if any articles were mysteriously and instantaneously improved while praying to an editor :> 06:37 < Tony_Sidaway_> The Catholics do supposedly consult with doctors to rule out the possibility of medical recovery. 06:38 < Qcoder02> IRWolfie-: Or that a Vandal saw common sense :) 06:38 < IRWolfie-> Tony_Sidaway_: I'd be surprised at a doctor that stated it was impossible for it to have been natural causes 06:39 < IRWolfie-> sometimes people just get better, sometimes people think they get better 06:39 < Tony_Sidaway_> It's all mumbo jumbo, but they try to put a patina of scientific investigation over the top. 06:40 < Qcoder02> Real faith , and thus true intercession cannot be wholly proven by scientific means amyway 06:40 < Qcoder02> *anyway 06:40 < IRWolfie-> If God has a plan, how can the saints intercede. If the plan can be changed to a less evil one, that means God deliberately does not change to the less evil plan until asked to 06:40 < IRWolfie-> ergo, God is evil 06:40 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:40 < Qcoder02> The saints can Intercede according to the Plan? 06:41 -!- DoRD|away is now known as DoRD 06:41 < IRWolfie-> which makes even less sense to me, in his plan he already then accounts for the saints interceding, rendering the intercession obselete 06:41 < IRWolfie-> sounds like a pedantic God 06:41 < Tony_Sidaway_> Who was it, on visiting Lourdes, is supposed to have asked: where are the discarded artificial limbs? 06:41 < IRWolfie-> I'll give you some horrible disease until you pray to a saint, only then will I remove it 06:42 < Qcoder02> Diseases are not always inflicted by God 06:42 < Qcoder02> Some diseases are inflicted because of a vice... 06:42 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: like being born in the wrong country? 06:42 < Tony_Sidaway_> Manicheism? 06:43 -!- BigRig [~zephyr@50-79-238-214-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:43 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway_: I'm not fmailiar with the exact term... but obesity is a disease that result from a vice of Gluttony etc... 06:44 < ragesoss> yuvipanda: got a beta yet? 06:44 -!- BigRig [~zephyr@50-79-238-214-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 06:44 -!- Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte 06:46 < Tony_Sidaway_> And congenital diseases presumably are visited upon their innocent victims as punishment for the sins of the ancestors. What a nasty, spiteful, evil little shit is this priests' god. 06:46 < Qcoder02> IRWolfe; I meant things like Obesity ... 06:46 < Qcoder02> tony_Sidaway_: I take it you have a 'liberal' viewpoint :) 06:47 < Tony_Sidaway_> I have no viewpoint on fictional entities. 06:47 < Qcoder02> :) 06:47 * Qcoder02 smiles 06:48 < Qcoder02> God is not a fiction 06:48 < Qcoder02> but God is not what most people think :) 06:48 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-105-130.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:48 -!- Venusaur [~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:48 < Tony_Sidaway_> Voldemort does evil things and so does this priests' god. 06:49 -!- Venusaur [~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:49 < Tony_Sidaway_> Both are constructed by humans: one for entertainment, the other to explain why things happen. 06:51 < Tony_Sidaway_> Leibniz struggled hard to construct a theodicy to explain the problem of evil. 06:51 < yuvipanda> ragesoss: was about to finish the last one (Do not crash when there is no network) but slept off :) 06:51 < yuvipanda> but other than that everything else is complete. 06:51 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:51 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: The cause of obesity is more complex than just being greedy 06:51 < yuvipanda> ragesoss: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8768784/WPSignpost.apk 06:51 < Qcoder02> Obviously :) 06:52 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: but you just said it was caused by gluttony 06:52 < Qcoder02> OH OK 06:52 < Qcoder02> Sorry 06:53 < Tony_Sidaway_> That obesity disproportionately afflicts those without secure access to food is telling. 06:53 < Tony_Sidaway_> Poor people in Mississippi are not more evil than people in Boston. 06:54 < Tony_Sidaway_> As far as religion goes, too, they are more likely to be devout practitioners and believers. 06:55 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: the question though is why natural evil exists 06:55 < IRWolfie-> since it is so easy for an omnipotent God to remove it 06:55 < Tony_Sidaway_> So perhaps obesity is a reward for faith. It makes just as much sense. 06:55 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:56 < mareklug> there is definitely a cultural link between diet choices and obesity 06:56 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: and of course, any good person would remove it (God is meant to be made in our image) 06:56 < IRWolfie-> err (we are meant to be made in his image even 06:56 < ragesoss> yuvipanda: that's really nice, except that I get an "An error occured :(" with a retry button overlaying the content. 06:56 < Tony_Sidaway_> Fat as stigmata. 06:57 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:57 < ragesoss> (also, occurred is misspelled) 06:57 < Tony_Sidaway_> Irwolfie I think you had it the right way round the first time. 06:57 < ragesoss> it seems to work fine despite the error, though. 06:57 < Tony_Sidaway_> Books are written by men. Gods are created in books. 06:58 < ragesoss> is this officially the beta, yuvipanda? 06:59 < Tony_Sidaway_> As John says, in the beginning was the word. 07:00 < Tony_Sidaway_> If you're a fictional entity it's only natural to deny that a word implies an author, a human author. 07:01 < wctaiwan> Sophie's World, Tony_Sidaway_. 07:02 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Quit: I've just disappeared in a puff of smoke] 07:03 -!- OlEnglish [~OlEnglish@wikipedia/OlEnglish] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:03 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-4d017dc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:03 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-4d017dc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:03 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:03 < ragesoss> yuvipanda: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7foj6b82dh7xxu8/Screenshot_2012-08-15-10-01-19.png 07:05 < yuvipanda> ragesoss: no, officially beta in a few hours when I've fixed the networking related issues 07:05 < yuvipanda> ragesoss: repro'd it and fixed it :) 07:05 < yuvipanda> this is one commit away from beta 07:06 -!- u99of9 [~chatzilla@wikimedia/U99of9] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:06 < ragesoss> cool! 07:06 < Tony_Sidaway_> There is an argument to the effect that we are almost certainly simulations in a computer model of some sort, assuming this is possible. Ingenious and perhaps a little perplexing. 07:07 < wctaiwan> that's of course if you believe in the existence of an omnipotent deity. 07:09 -!- VZP10224 [~vzp10224@214.235.12.61.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:09 < mareklug> "French soccer stars Franck Ribery and Karim Benzema will face a trial after allegedly soliciting an underage prostitute." 07:09 < Tony_Sidaway_> An omnipotent deity is not necessary for simulation. 07:12 < IRWolfie-> Tony_Sidaway_: must be a weird sort of computer because the physical world is only amenable to simulation to approximations :> 07:12 < Qcoder02> My spoof 'spritual system' EFTPOS has a concept of the 'Trunk' which is a universal interconnect between peoples interfaces ;) 07:13 < Qcoder02> In many ways that's closer to Eastern systems than Western ideas about a Single god figure 07:14 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:15 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Client Quit] 07:15 < IRWolfie-> Someone appears to be logging #wikipedia, found some logs online from 2 weeks ago 07:15 -!- DeltaQuad [~quassel@wikipedia/DeltaQuad] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:15 -!- Tony_Sidaway_ [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:18 < TeeTylerToe> Why can the Legend class National security cutter go 28 knots? 07:18 < wctaiwan> IRWolfie-: not this channel? I thought nothing interesting happened in the other one >.> 07:19 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: our wiki article is silent on this 07:20 < TeeTylerToe> I guess the question is why could the hamilton class cutters go 29 knots, although they're 1,000 long tons lighter than the legend class 07:20 -!- abdirakjat [~abdirakja@118.97.95.155] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:22 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-105-130.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:22 < Gigs-> TeeTylerToe: bigger powerplant 07:22 < IRWolfie-> wctaiwan: seems to be someone pasting what happened during a wiki downtime 07:23 < wctaiwan> eh. meh. 07:24 < geniice> TeeTylerToe presumably power to weight ratio. If you mean why they decided to design something slower it may have been decided that the speed wasn't needed so they might as well use the space and mass for something else 07:24 < Gigs-> the legend class has a bigger cruising power plant but a smaller turbine 07:24 -!- Trenton [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:24 < Gigs-> so it can cruse faster when the boost turbine is off 07:24 < mareklug> 28 or over vs. 29 is not exactly "designed slower" 07:25 -!- basile is now known as guillom 07:25 < Gigs-> the turbine-on speed is not the usual speed anyway 07:25 < Gigs-> that's just for short-term high speed use 07:28 < mareklug> plus the carry aircraft to get the speedboat types 07:31 -!- abdirakjat [~abdirakja@118.97.95.155] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:32 -!- Jetro` [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:32 -!- anonymous22222 [~poko@c-67-174-52-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:33 -!- Jasper_Deng_ [~chatzilla@WindowsEnthusiast.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:33 < Trenton> emailing articles to a user wouldn't qualify as [[WP:MEAT]], would it? 07:33 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:34 -!- nick-afk [~poko@c-67-174-52-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:35 -!- Jetro [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:36 -!- Jetro` is now known as Jetro 07:36 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:36 -!- Jasper_Deng [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jasper-Deng] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:38 -!- Kiewii is now known as Dundee 07:38 -!- lukas23 is now known as lukas|isst 07:39 -!- Dundee is now known as Kiewii 07:40 < Trenton> disc 07:40 -!- Trenton [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 07:40 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@bas2-cooksville01-2925346470.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:46 -!- Wiki13|Away is now known as Wiki13 07:48 -!- achilles [victor@117.196.134.54] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:48 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-90-240.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:49 < achilles> If room temperature is 28 degree Celtius, what should be the temperature of water in the room/. 07:49 < mareklug> Celcius or centigrade. depends on its pressure. 07:50 < achilles> Celcius 07:51 < Fluffernutter> depends on how long the water has been sitting there 07:51 < achilles> its been just half an hour 07:53 -!- lukas|isst is now known as lukas23 07:53 < achilles> i needed to keep some butter in a cool place.. preferably in a fridge..but I dont have one..so I kept it in a plate inside water 07:53 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has quit [Quit: Spacewalker] 07:54 < wctaiwan> won't help. 07:54 < mareklug> presumably you can get cooler running water than 28 deg C if you just let it run some 07:54 < mareklug> get some ice 07:56 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-4d017dc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:56 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-4d017dc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:56 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:56 -!- Gnumarcoo [~Marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:00 -!- Trenton [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:00 < Trenton> /join #wikipedia-en-admins 08:01 < Trenton> eh :P 08:01 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has quit [Quit: While there's life, there's hope.] 08:01 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:01 < Qcoder02> Afternoon 08:01 -!- achilles [victor@117.196.134.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:02 < Qcoder02> Is there a way to ensure the objectonable views of notable indviauls aren't mentioned non-neturally on Wikipedia? 08:02 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:03 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:03 < geniice> no 08:07 < Spitfire> geniice++ 08:07 < Qcoder02> Is there any gudiance on the matter? 08:07 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:09 < Isarra> Qcoder02: It's hopeless. Just fix it when you find it. 08:11 -!- MartijnWork [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:13 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:13 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: what do you mean by objectionable views, and how are they portrayed? 08:16 < Qcoder02> Objectionable views are those that which would prove controversial if quoted, like for example of politican saying it's ok to beat up gay people for example... 08:17 < Gigs-> it needs to be presented with context and secondary source analysis 08:17 < mareklug> if a politician did say that, i don't see why it could not be cited on wiki in Controversies section of their bio 08:17 < Gigs-> controversy sections are undesirable 08:18 < mareklug> but they abound. you are not thinking of Trivia sections? 08:18 < Gigs-> nope 08:18 -!- Daley [adamdaley@210.1.192.84] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:18 < Gigs-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criticism#Avoid_sections_and_articles_focusing_on_.22criticisms.22_or_.22controversies.22 08:19 < Tony_Sidaway> COntroversy sections are generally a sign that editors aren't properly integrating some material into the article properly. 08:19 < Qcoder02> Thanks 08:19 < Gigs-> it's not the sort of thing we need to go try to eliminate from every article that has one 08:19 < Gigs-> but it's generally not a "best practice" 08:20 < Qcoder02> However, presumably if the objectionable views are important contextually, like when a senior government figure says something that would bring into question his judgment is it relevant to mention? 08:20 < Gigs-> we can't say that it brings his judgement into question 08:20 < Gigs-> if a bunch of secondary sources said it then you can cite those 08:20 < Qcoder02> Like a Minister of Justice making a comment implying all racists are white ;) 08:21 * Daley qustions any high-profile person and their actions/speeches/scandals/etc. 08:21 < Daley> questions 08:21 < mareklug> Gigs-: same link says later: "Articles or sections dedicated to a controversy may be appropriate if the reliable sources on the topic discuss the controversies as an independent topic." 08:21 < Gigs-> mareklug: in that case it would be better to name the section based on the individual event 08:21 < Tony_Sidaway> DOn't eliminate the controversial material whre properly sourced, but do avoid corraling it into a single section. 08:21 < Gigs-> mareklug: a blanket section named "controversies" as a catch-all is to be avoided 08:22 -!- localhost [~chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:23 < Qcoder02> Of course mentioning every single instance of some conserative figure ranting about benefit cheats isn't needed as it's an accepted ideological viewpoint of those type of people ;) 08:23 < TeeTylerToe> Controversy sections are generally a sign of the editors editing the article being conversant in wikipedia policy on consensus. The policy being that if there are reliable sources supporting contradictory views that an article should be expanded to include all reliably supported views 08:24 < TeeTylerToe> not to say that there should be a controversy section supporting creationism or some divine theory on the creation of the universe 08:24 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@cpc13-grim14-2-0-cust79.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:24 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@cpc13-grim14-2-0-cust79.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 08:24 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:24 < Pharos> no, 'Controversy' is not about "contradictory" views 08:24 < Qcoder02> That said for certain National level politicians , a section outlining thier political positions is valid, even if those positions are controversial or in some instances (illegal) 08:24 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has quit [Quit: Spacewalker] 08:24 < Gigs-> the point is, especially with bios, we shouldn't have a white-washed glowing bio with all the perceived negative stuff jammed into the bottom in a controversy section, ideally 08:24 < TeeTylerToe> it would be nice if the paul ryan article included information about his plan to privetize social security 08:25 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-4d017dc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:25 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-4d017dc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:25 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:25 < Qcoder02> And put a cap on Medicare spending... 08:25 < Pharos> it should, but that's not a controversy, that's his program! 08:25 < TeeTylerToe> no, he dropped it in 2010 08:25 < TeeTylerToe> after he stopped voting against things before he voted for them 08:26 < Pharos> then it should be in a historical section 08:26 < Qcoder02> His comments about the NHS are probably less valid to mention in an article though... 08:26 < TeeTylerToe> why? 08:26 < Pharos> because it's about his history 08:26 < Qcoder02> They were comments made in a pollitical speech for a specfic audience... 08:26 < TeeTylerToe> was he one of the crazies that said that in scandanavia they vote on who to euthanize? 08:26 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: I don't think so 08:26 -!- rakib [ThrashIRC@ip200c218.banglalionwimax.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:27 -!- rakib [ThrashIRC@ip200c218.banglalionwimax.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 08:27 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: who was? 08:27 < TeeTylerToe> so what you're saying is that he had his hand behind his back and he was crossing his fingers when he was making the speech? 08:27 < TeeTylerToe> Paul Ryan 08:27 < Pharos> sarah palin, sort of 08:27 < TeeTylerToe> he probably wasn't one of the ones that said that though 08:28 -!- localhost [~chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@wikipedia/Lukas23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@dslb-094-217-018-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:29 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@dslb-094-217-018-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:29 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@wikipedia/Lukas23] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:29 < Pharos> i have my own hybris benefits program 08:29 < Pharos> *hybrid 08:29 < Pharos> "medicare for all, social security for none" 08:29 < TeeTylerToe> social security cut poverty of senior citizens by 50%. 47% of people that die have an estate worth $10,000 or less 08:30 < tommorris> Joe Schmoe was a very nice chap. 08:30 < tommorris> == Controversy == 08:30 < tommorris> One day Joe Schmoe decided to rape 50 kittens. 08:30 -!- zscout370 [~Kagami@ip70-178-62-156.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:30 -!- zscout370 [~Kagami@ip70-178-62-156.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:30 -!- zscout370 [~Kagami@wikipedia/Zscout370] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:30 < Pharos> people that die are often consciously depleting their estate before death, all my relatives did that! 08:30 < TeeTylerToe> his stance now apparently is that everyone COULD pull themselves up by their bootstraps and become multi-billionaire 08:30 < TeeTylerToe> I guess that means he solved poverty and hunger 08:31 < TeeTylerToe> maybe he should go to africa, india, and china and preach the good word 08:31 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: In a perfect market they could... 08:31 < Qcoder02> The problem is that there is NEVER a perfect market 08:31 < TeeTylerToe> people that die of malaria just didn't suceed hard enough 08:31 < TeeTylerToe> it's there own fault when you think about it 08:32 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: China's doing quite well... So well it has empty cities no-one uses ;) 08:32 < tommorris> I was going to pull myself up by my bootstraps but the bootstrap manufacturer has gone out of business in the recession. 08:32 < TeeTylerToe> of course paul ryan put himself through college on his dead father's social security benefits 08:32 < geniice> TeeTylerToe Do we in any case want people which such weak immune systems? 08:32 < TeeTylerToe> china has about 900 billion people in poverty, millions starving 08:32 < TeeTylerToe> I don't think Paul Ryan would survive on unsanitary water 08:32 < Tony_Sidaway> TeeTylerToe: it was the Dutch, and the person who said that was Rick Santorum. 08:32 < TeeTylerToe> Rick wasn't the only person that said it 08:32 < Pharos> i think your chinese numbers might be off just a bit :P 08:33 < TeeTylerToe> Fox news of course gave it national exposure 08:33 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: If ryna became VP , someone will correct the abberation ;) 08:33 < TeeTylerToe> how so Pharos? 08:33 < Tony_Sidaway> I value my equanimity so I never watch Fox. 08:33 < Qcoder02> The trouble is that correction would be messy and bloddy 08:33 < Gigs-> Pharos: well it makes sense as long as there is a huge death tax 08:33 < Pharos> um, there are only 7 billion people on planet earth for one! :) 08:33 < Gigs-> Pharos: it's stupid to die and let the government take your money when you can form trusts and gifts to protect it 08:34 < Tony_Sidaway> Fox News Channel's only justification for existence is to provide feeder material for Colbert and Stewart. 08:34 < TeeTylerToe> maybe we could build an economy on the bodies of people that can't afford food, shelter, or healthcare. Like in the matrix. We could use them to solve the energy crisis. 08:34 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: Soylent Green is PEOPLE !! 08:34 < TeeTylerToe> it was the most popular cable news channel 08:34 < Qcoder02> Sorry 08:34 < TeeTylerToe> energy AND food! 08:34 < Pharos> all of my middle-class cheap hoarding ancestors did their best to die destitute 08:34 -!- tlocalhos [~chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:34 < tommorris> nah, why eat people? much easier to use them to build wikipedia. 08:35 -!- tlocalhos [~chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35 < TeeTylerToe> if you have two people on the brink of starvation, nature will sort out who is stroner 08:35 < Tony_Sidaway> THEN eat them. 08:35 < TeeTylerToe> who is the better at survival 08:35 < TeeTylerToe> Paul Ryan's food policy seems a lot like the donner party 08:35 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:35 < Pharos> but what if they're vegans? 08:35 < Gigs-> Do any of you watch Chopped on food network? This guy had a big serif W tatooed on his neck. I kept thinking "Man he's proud of editing wikipedia" 08:36 < Tony_Sidaway> Funny how nature seems to have contrived it that the animal best able to work together in groups has outdone all those big individualists, the bears and the big cats. 08:36 -!- localhost [~chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:36 < geniice> human groups don't do to well above 100. Ants on the other hand 08:36 < Pharos> yes, i love ants! 08:36 < tommorris> Tony_Sidaway: yeah, but nature is just a socialist. 08:36 < Pharos> ((ec)) 08:37 < Pharos> God is a socialist, really 08:37 -!- localhost [~chris@cpe-76-188-161-222.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 08:37 -!- Selly|Desktop [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:37 < Pharos> someone needs to fix that 08:38 < TeeTylerToe> there was a story a few months back that the best executives are sociopaths, or pathological in someother way 08:38 < Pharos> i kind of doubt that 08:39 < Pharos> we have emotions for a reason, they are useful 08:39 < TeeTylerToe> well that jesus guy was all, the rich never make it to heaven, and give your food and clothes to the poor 08:39 -!- Trenton [~Trenton@unaffiliated/jc33] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 08:40 < tommorris> TeeTylerToe: lies. Jesus wants you to be rich. Unless you are a homosexual abortionist. 08:41 < TeeTylerToe> Well the poor aren't going to get those megachurches built 08:42 < Pharos> yes they are! 08:42 < Pharos> where do you think the $ comes from? 08:42 < Pharos> poor churchgoers are an excellent revenue source! 08:43 < mareklug> Pharos: did you see repo man? 08:43 < Pharos> sadly, no 08:43 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:43 < TeeTylerToe> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=psychopath+ceo 08:43 -!- Soapy [Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:43 < mareklug> too bad, the parents of Otto in the film gave all they money to tv evangelist 08:44 < Soapy> I had a dream that Wikipedia had been re-designed as a video game based on Secret of Mana 08:45 < Pharos> it's not such an unusual thing, poor people can very generous, and that is easy to take advantage of 08:45 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:46 -!- Selly|Desktop is now known as Sellyme 08:46 < Tony_Sidaway> It's pretty well known that relatively poor people tend to be more generous with what little they possess. 08:46 < Soapy> really? 08:47 < Tony_Sidaway> Soapy: I'll look it up for you. 08:47 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has left #wikipedia-en ["I've"] 08:47 < TeeTylerToe> For someone living paycheck to paycheck, a $20 donation is basically 100% of their disposable income. To bill gates, he's donated billions to charity, and it's not even 50% yet 08:47 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:47 < Soapy> I dont know if I count as poor. I could probably count as "relatively" poor relative to a bunch of reporters and people doing studies on people. And Im never generous with money 08:47 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/05/19/68456/americas-poor-are-its-most-generous.html 08:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> So.... who is Paul Ryan? 08:48 < TeeTylerToe> And not a lot of billionaires donate a billion dollars to charity 08:48 < Soapy> ah yes 08:48 < TeeTylerToe> Paul Ryan is a character in Atlas Shrugged 08:48 < Pharos> well, everyone knoiws you're stingy! 08:48 < Soapy> theyre talking about the absolute poor 08:48 < Soapy> not "poor" as in making $10000 a year 08:48 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/05/19/68456/americas-poor-are-its-most-generous.html 08:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Sorry wrong link (a repetition) 08:49 < Soapy> actually they are 08:49 -!- nemilar [~jdeprizi@c-66-31-201-229.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49 < Soapy> oh well. I pretty much never donate to anything, and my excuse is Im in debt so that;s just going to put me more in debt 08:49 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hidden-motives/201008/why-are-the-poor-more-generous 08:49 < Soapy> if I ever do get rich I absolutely promise I will donate everything to some sort of charity before I die 08:50 < TeeTylerToe> it's surprising how hard it is to find a good charity 08:50 < Pharos> Wikimedia NYC, perhaps? ;) 08:50 < TeeTylerToe> well, Romney thinks the rich are a good charity 08:50 -!- MRB[alt] [~matthewrb@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:51 < Pharos> well, at least they're not going to spend it all in one place 08:51 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: local food banks usually have very small overheads 08:51 < Tony_Sidaway> This researcher says it seems to be empathy. If you ask a poor person to imagine they're rich, their responses adapt and become less empathic towards poor people like themselves. And vice versa if rich people are asked to imagine themselves poor. 08:52 < TeeTylerToe> with corporations hoarding money, like trillions of dollars, it's pretty obvious that they're not waiting for a tax cut to start hiring 08:52 < Soapy> maybe the real divide is just Republicans vs Democrats 08:52 < Soapy> or at least conservatives vs liberals 08:52 < Pharos> if i had a lot of $ to donate, I wouldn't give it to foodbanks 08:52 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:52 < Soapy> that said, there was a study that showed that conservatives donate more 08:52 < TeeTylerToe> If their argument is that small businesses hire the most people, why not reduce the tax breaks to big businesses? 08:53 < TeeTylerToe> lower the overall corporate tax rate by removing tax breaks for big business. Maybe even add new tax breaks for big businesses hiring new workers 08:53 < Soapy> and that studys conclusion was that liberals are less likely to donate to religious organizations, and most charities are religious. It wouldnt catch things like people giving a dollar to a homeless man outside McDonalds 08:53 < Tony_Sidaway> It's difficult to tell because a lot of "giving" is actually just giving money to some religious shyster. 08:53 < TeeTylerToe> How much of a tithe goes to charity? To things like church shelters or food drives? 08:54 < Pharos> giving a dollar to a homeless guy is not a teribly productive method of charity 08:54 < TeeTylerToe> neither is giving a dollar in the form of a tithe 08:54 < Pharos> no, of course not 08:54 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:54 < TeeTylerToe> Somehow I'm betting a huge percent of america's "charity" is tithes 08:54 < Tony_Sidaway> Give a man a dollar, he'll be rich for a day. Teach a man to pick pockets, he'll soon have a nice warm home with regular meals and a friend named Bubba. 08:54 < Pharos> i doubt that 08:55 < Pharos> tithing is obsolete 08:55 < Daley> Going back to bed. 08:55 -!- Daley [adamdaley@210.1.192.84] has quit [] 08:55 < Soapy> Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227). 08:55 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: Well the US can spend dollars on fixing social problems of hundereds of dollars on yet more prisons 08:56 < Tony_Sidaway> I've aired my views on the problems of the US justice system here in the past. I agree that the prison system is soaking up an obscene amount of money and of people who really should not be imprisoned. 08:56 < Pharos> soapy: it is likely that church donations account for a the differnce 08:57 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/19/world-giving-index-us-ran_n_1159562.html#s558786&title=10_Laos interstingly, Laos is 10th in charitable giving. US is 1st. 08:57 < Pharos> Tony: Are you aware of the prison issues in NY State? 08:58 -!- Courcelles_ [~chatzilla@ool-18b948d6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:58 < Pharos> the *problem* is, crime has been in decline for 20 years 08:58 -!- MRB[alt] [~matthewrb@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Quit: Catch y'all later!] 08:58 < Soapy> ha. even HuffPo says America is #1. Take THAT, rest of the world 08:58 < Pharos> so far far upstate where all the prisons are, ppl are getting restless 08:59 < wctaiwan> Soapy: in terms of asshattery? 08:59 * wctaiwan runs 08:59 -!- MRB[alt] [~matthewrb@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:59 < Pharos> and the prisoners count as part of their population, so they have political clout 08:59 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-90-240.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:59 < Pharos> their number one priority is to keep prisons open and full! 08:59 < Pharos> which is not so positive for the rest of us 09:00 < Pharos> (prisons are the only business up there) 09:00 -!- Courcelles_ is now known as Courcelles 09:00 < Soapy> mm 09:01 < Soapy> there's towns like that around here 09:01 < Soapy> I think it's basically safe to live there, but I'm too paranoid to accept that 09:01 < Pharos> oh, it's totally safe, just not economically viable 09:01 -!- MRB[alt] is now known as Matthew_ 09:01 < Pharos> far upstate ny is poorer than the deep south 09:02 < Pharos> this is the only business they have 09:02 -!- prometheus1809 [~prometheu@mobile-192-17-122-143.near.uiuc.edu] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:02 -!- Jetro [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:02 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:02 < Soapy> oh wow I just remembered I dreamt I was in a movie too 09:02 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03 < Soapy> although just as a very minor character. "the blonde kid" that never spoke in the film 09:03 -!- Kingpin13 [~Kingpin13@Wikipedia/Kingpin13] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:03 < wctaiwan> sounds like slenderman. 09:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: the problem isn't crime. It's the waste of money and human resources. People in prison are having their lives ruined. 09:03 < Soapy> and that dream was somehow part of the same dream as the Wikipedia thing 09:05 < Pharos> yes, of course, tony 09:05 < Pharos> it's just in this case there is a particularly perverse political incentive to keep these prisons plentiful and full 09:05 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:06 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-90-240.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:06 * Fluffernutter curbstomps her internet 09:06 -!- Jamietw [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jamietw] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:07 -!- Jamietw [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jamietw] has left #wikipedia-en [] 09:08 < Tony_Sidaway> How can they call it land of the free? It's the country with the highest officially recorded incarceration rate in the world. 09:08 < Pharos> it's still free in some ways! 09:09 < Tony_Sidaway> And I refuse to believe it's got a more criminally inclined population. 09:09 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 09:09 < Pharos> i still think we have the best freedom of expression overall 09:10 < Tony_Sidaway> Possibly. You can say what you like but woe betide you if your boss disagrees. 09:10 -!- LL2|Android [~LL2@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 09:10 < Tony_Sidaway> Or if you're gay in many states. 09:10 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [SeaMonkey 2.11/20120715041107]] 09:11 < Tony_Sidaway> Self-expression can result in loss of earnings, which makes a mockery of freedom. 09:11 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac4a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.196.167] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:11 < mareklug> in general, you still have a better chance of due process and generally being oft to do as you please in the USA then say Russia or China or even Brazil 09:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway well 09:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Well yes, if you compare your country to repressive regimes... 09:12 < Soapy> hi pen 09:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people are free to discriminate maybe 09:12 < Pharos> i think we have better freedom of expression than western europe on most counts 09:12 < Pharos> at least where i live ;) 09:12 -!- pginer [~pau@81.202.164.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: and I agree. Just that there are some quite glaring inequities. 09:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos I may agree with that however there is a matter of auto censoring in the US 09:13 < mareklug> you certainly can insult frier in the states than in Europe 09:13 < TeeTylerToe> uhh, political speech isn't exactly welcomed 09:13 < TeeTylerToe> see "free speech" cages 09:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have seen many cases of public (media) lynching people in the US 09:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> over their opinions 09:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> For instance the most recent Chic Fila nonsense 09:14 -!- pginer [~pau@81.202.164.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 09:14 < TeeTylerToe> I'd like to take a pitchfork and torch to some members of the media 09:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe they would probably use them as decor 09:14 -!- yuvipanda is now known as PissedPanda 09:15 < TeeTylerToe> nah, they'd probably using a falafel on an intern in a way that definitely constitutes sexual harassment 09:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Europe has institutionalised racism, while most people enjoy civil liberties that isnt equaly distributed 09:15 < TeeTylerToe> the US is trying to instutionalize racism, outlawing mosques and stuff 09:16 < TeeTylerToe> trying to instate christian law while at the same time railing against shariah law 09:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> That is outlawed in some parts of Europe more or less 09:16 < TeeTylerToe> I'm pretty sure there are mosques in most of western europe 09:16 < jubo2> Cheezy meat doughnut! 09:16 < mareklug> the swiss law prohibits now minaret construction 09:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure but in switzerland and austria thats not really welcome 09:16 < Tony_Sidaway> Europe is rather heterogeneous, so it's hard to make blanket statements. 09:17 < Soapy> come on now 09:17 < Soapy> lets be real 09:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway EU regulation enforces it homogeniously though 09:17 < Soapy> the USA isnt going to outlaw mosques, ever 09:17 < TeeTylerToe> Austria? I'd heard about some extremism in switzerland 09:17 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: not really. FOr instance you mention Switzerland, which isn't even a member of the EU. 09:18 < Soapy> even if a state has 0.0001% Muslims theyre not going to be denied the right to build a mosque 09:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe the two border each other 09:18 < TeeTylerToe> but in switzerland it was about building... those kinds of towers 09:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Austria too is outside the EU I believe. 09:18 < TeeTylerToe> yes, but switzerland is tiny 09:18 < mareklug> and in the USA you have recourse to courts if someone hassles you over a mosque 09:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway sure it isnt but they follow EU regulations 09:18 < TeeTylerToe> parapets? 09:18 < Soapy> austria is in the EU 09:18 < Soapy> minarets 09:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Austria is an EU member, not a NATO member 09:18 < TeeTylerToe> that's it 09:18 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: which EU regulation compels them to forbid minarets? 09:18 < TeeTylerToe> anti-minaret legislation isn't exactly anti-mosque legislation 09:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway minarets are symbolic 09:18 < TeeTylerToe> though I'm in favor of neither 09:18 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: but which EU law? 09:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> none 09:19 < TeeTylerToe> actually if a church costs more than a few hundred K it kinda pisses me off 09:19 < Tony_Sidaway> Besides a minaret is not a mosque. Are mosques forbidden? Are Muezzins? 09:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there are many regulations in the EU specifically designed to make the life of non Europeans miserable. 09:19 < Soapy> lol 09:19 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: interesting. COuld you name one? 09:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I can name many 09:19 < Tony_Sidaway> Just one will do. 09:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> For instance consider the visa regulations 09:20 < TeeTylerToe> the US isn't exactly friendly to immigrants and aliens 09:20 < Pharos> i think we're more mosque-friendly than Europe 09:20 < TeeTylerToe> for instance Arizona 09:20 < Soapy> rule number 34187 to make non-Europeans less happy: "if a black man gets a well paying job remind him his relatives are starving in the desert" 09:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> My treatment in the US was greatly superior to that of Europe 09:20 < TeeTylerToe> 0.o 09:20 < TeeTylerToe> is that the love actually deleted scene law? 09:20 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: "Minarets provide a visual focal point and are used for the call to prayer (adhan)." <-- seems like a move to suppress Muezzins 09:20 < Soapy> rule number 34188 "every Chinese restauarant must have a sign out front reminding people that in China itself they still eat cats" 09:20 < Pharos> oh no, someone said something nice about America! 09:21 < TeeTylerToe> everybody says how friendly americans are when they visit... WTF 09:21 < TeeTylerToe> who are these friendly americans? 09:21 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: not all mosques have a minaret. It's an architectural issue, not a religious one. 09:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_in_the_European_Union#Visa_requirements_for_the_Schengen_Area.2C_Bulgaria.2C_Cyprus_and_Romania 09:21 < TeeTylerToe> although there's no particularly compelling reason to outlaw minarets 09:21 < Pharos> all the friendly americans are in NYC ;) 09:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway Minarets are like bell towers in churches 09:22 < TeeTylerToe> A lot of the pickpockets are surprisingly friendly 09:22 < TeeTylerToe> and the drug dealers... with new customers 09:22 < Pharos> banning minarets is meshuga 09:22 < Soapy> Russia's on the naughty list, I see 09:22 < TeeTylerToe> and that VW bug killer was friendly to the women he killed 09:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Soapy for good reason 09:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but consider which countries are green 09:22 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm not sure what I'n supposed to find so bad about the Schengen Agreement. 09:23 < Soapy> Americans can visit Europe whenever they want, but not Russians !!! 09:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I do agree that tall minarets arent needed in this day and age of speakers BUT passing a law to ban them is ridiclous 09:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway then you arent looking at it right 09:23 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't agree with the law, but I don't see that it's so onerous. 09:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway well think about the group of people who think christians want to convert them all one way or a nother 09:24 < Pharos> i wamt more minarets 09:24 < TeeTylerToe> it may be a practical thing. You can profile countries for people that will "visit" with the intention of staying permanently 09:24 < Soapy> heh 09:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe mexico is green, come on 09:24 < Tony_Sidaway> SOme of my local mosques have minarets, some do not, It tends to depend on the size of the mosque. 09:24 < TeeTylerToe> and americans are way to anti-european to stay there illegally 09:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway sure 09:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe actually I disagree 09:24 < Soapy> too many T's talking. I get you all mixed up 09:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there was an elderly woman in the same line as I 09:25 * Soapy adds new highlight rule 09:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> she was trying to get a longer stay 09:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a US citizen mind you 09:25 < TeeTylerToe> I'm saying statistically there are probably countries that have a high percent of people that overstay their visas 09:25 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm still wondering what the problem with the Schengen Agreement is. Aren't countries allowed to have special visa arrangements to ease travel? 09:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway the issue isnt that 09:26 -!- ragesoss [~sage@wikimedia/ragesoss] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:26 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minaret_controversy_in_Switzerland <--- plenty of arguments going well beyond "just architecture" 09:26 < Tony_Sidaway> Well what is it then? 09:26 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: not the EU. 09:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> All og africa and asia more or less is red 09:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *of 09:26 < Tony_Sidaway> And definitely not an EU-wide law. 09:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway I dont know how to express this to you differently 09:27 < Tony_Sidaway> It's like saying "America has mounties" and then showing a picture of a RCMP on his horse. 09:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Since the day I stepped in Europe I have been made to feel uncomfortable being here. Not by people living here but by the burocracy 09:27 < Soapy> ToAruShiroiNeko: come to America! 09:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> unless you suffer that, you cannot understand it. 09:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Soapy sure, once I graduate probably 09:28 < Soapy> also: America has mounties! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RCMP_officer_on_a_horse.JPG 09:28 * jubo2 bets 10 bucks they ain't in red clothes 09:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> In the US I will need a kevlar vest probably though 09:28 < jubo2> *clicks* 09:29 < Soapy> that picture is exactly what we see on the streets every day here in America 09:29 < mareklug> jubo2: you just lost 10 bucks 09:29 < jubo2> looks like it yes mareklug 09:29 < Soapy> oh come on now, ToAruShiroiNeko, youre as bad as me. Crime isnt *that* bad 09:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no 09:29 < Soapy> there hasnt been a murder in my hometown for several months !! 09:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but if I go to the US I will work on campus 09:29 < Pharos> ToAruShiroiNeko: our mounties will protect you! 09:30 < mareklug> Soapy: how many ppl is your hometown? 09:30 < Tony_Sidaway> For those who don't want to click, Soapy's picture shows a female RCMP officer at the Calgary Stampede (!) 09:30 < Soapy> 20000 09:30 < Pharos> you're less likely to be pickpocketed here! 09:31 -!- delirious [~jessica@S0106586d8f57219e.cg.shawcable.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 09:31 -!- liberaldudette [~mark@74.63.233.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:31 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: zZzzZzzZzz!] 09:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have 100 pickpocket perk in Skyrim, I dont worry about that 09:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I can reverse pickpocket them a bomb probably 09:31 < TeeTylerToe> Libya - Then Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi cited the minaret ban as grounds for his call for a Jihad against Switzerland in a speech held in Benghazi on the occasion of Mawlid, four months after the vote. Gaddafi also called on Muslims around the world to boycott Switzerland, and stated that "any Muslim in any part of the world that works with Switzerland is an apostate, is against 09:31 < TeeTylerToe> Muhammad, Allah, and the Koran" 09:31 < TeeTylerToe> >.< 09:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> umm 09:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe thats not a reliable source 09:31 < Pharos> i don';t think gaddafi counts... 09:32 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:32 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [] 09:32 < Pharos> his religion was also gaddafism, anyway 09:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> swiss do not like foreigners which is fine, then they should reurn to their policy of isolation and not host international organizations and hardware (like CERN) 09:33 < Pharos> send CERN to the US-Canada border! 09:33 < Pharos> we'll protect it with mounties! 09:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Likewise in Belgium. The disrespect towards diplomats is amazing. 09:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos that will not work 09:33 < jubo2> Pharos: hold on I'ma get my shovel 09:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Canada isn't shielded 09:33 < TeeTylerToe> the mounties actually have a pretty bad reputation 09:33 < TeeTylerToe> racism for one 09:33 < TeeTylerToe> watergate stuff for another 09:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe that is hillarious 09:34 -!- Qcoder02 [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/qcoder02] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so the guy on the horse is racist towards the guy not on a horse? 09:34 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: they're not part of the EU. And the Schengen Agreement is an agreement that confers special status on certain non-EU countries. 09:34 < TeeTylerToe> well maybe the guy on the horse has a guy on a horse complex 09:35 < TeeTylerToe> plus the outfit can't help 09:35 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:35 -!- liberaldudette [~mark@74.63.233.124] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway in other words a convenient tool to discriminate everyone else 09:35 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh dearie me! 09:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not saying everyone must have a free pass to europe 09:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but regulations are irrational 09:35 -!- Soapy is now known as Europe 09:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I had to prove I did not have any social security aid for example 09:36 -!- MC8|2 [~herpes@host109-152-32-173.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:36 < Pharos> centaur-supremacism! 09:36 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm not going to defend the right of countries to enter into agreements and treaties with one another. You're just being silly. 09:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I had to go department after another for irrelevant paper work 09:36 -!- Seddon [~chatzilla@cpc1-cdif6-0-0-cust25.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:37 -!- Seddon [~chatzilla@cpc1-cdif6-0-0-cust25.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:37 -!- Seddon [~chatzilla@Wikimedia/Seddon] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> while I am going through this shit, someone from Malasia can waltz through it 09:37 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it is worse for the UK mind you 09:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Malaysia isn't part of the Schengen Area. Now you're not making any sense at all. 09:37 < TeeTylerToe> but people can walk from one EU country to another without even a passport! 09:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe sure, not me though 09:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I was prohibited from leaving Belgium for 6 months 09:38 -!- MC8 [~herpes@wikimedia/Microchip08] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Are you an EU citizen? Only citizens can move without passports. 09:38 < TeeTylerToe> wouldn't you need a passport to prove citizenship? 09:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> No I am not. And actually non-eu citizens can move around without passport if they have an ID card from an EU country 09:39 < mareklug> on leaving UK for Europe don't you have to show an ID? 09:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but that had taken belgians 6 months to get me 09:39 < Tony_Sidaway> When I have visited the US, it's so tempting to go over the border to Tijuana or Toronto, but I can't do that either. This is how visas work everywhere. 09:39 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5ad1e048.bb.sky.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:39 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5ad1e048.bb.sky.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:39 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:39 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: yes those countries that waive passports have identity card agreements. The UK has no identity cards. 09:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway like I said, you cannot see discrimination/racism unless you live through it 09:40 < TeeTylerToe> like when you can't cross the border to canada or mexico? 09:40 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: but according to you I *have* lived through it. I couldn't go to Tijuana. 09:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so you were confined to a US state for 6 months? 09:40 < Tony_Sidaway> Mexico is just a trolley stop away when you're in Southern California, but I had to get off. 09:40 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-90-240.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> was yur long term visa renewed 2 months at a time 09:41 < TeeTylerToe> iirc I had to show my drivers license to get a train ticket from one state to another in the US 09:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> each taking over a month to process so you end up having only 1 month free travel? 09:41 -!- Kingpin13 [~Kingpin13@Wikipedia/Kingpin13] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:41 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: the US has a single national policy so entry to the US gives (usually) free travel everywhere in the US. The EU is a collection of nation states. 09:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway sure 09:41 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: Later!] 09:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and EU regulaiton is designed to make the life of people like me miserable 09:42 < Tony_Sidaway> Not really. It's designed to make life for EU citizens _easy_. Before the EU, everybody had to go through that. 09:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> It should be EU citizens and residents 09:43 < Tony_Sidaway> Now you can live in Belgium, work in the Netherlands, and spend the weekends in Germany. 09:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I study in the Netherlands which is not a reason enough for me to get residency there since I live in Belgium. 09:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> But I cannot get a residency permit in Belgium since I do not study there. 09:44 < Tony_Sidaway> So you _are_ allowed to move around the EU as a resident? 09:44 < Tony_Sidaway> A Belgium resident, I mean. 09:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Yes and no 09:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> If Belgium takes 6 monhts to grant a 1 year permit, thats a 50% no. 09:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mind you this was renewing 09:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I know of a friend with a diplomatic passport whom was granted a residency permit 2 months at a time 09:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and only if she was registered to some class 09:46 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah, Austria joined EU in 1995. I didn't notice. 09:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway its hard to notice Austria 09:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they dont do much besides create noise. 09:46 < Pharos> who let the austrians in? 09:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos Germans 09:46 < mareklug> yeah, they did not even medal at the olympics 09:46 < Tony_Sidaway> Nobody mention cuckoo clocks. 09:47 < Tony_Sidaway> To be fair, I bet Austria does quite well at the Winter Olympics. 09:48 < mareklug> when they don't blood dope and throw the evidence out the window? 09:48 -!- Trugster [~chatzilla@b01a354e.bb.sky.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:48 < Frood> um 09:48 < Frood> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frood&diff=next&oldid=507366812 09:49 < Europe> frood: you got a secret admirer, I see 09:49 < Europe> on the other hand 09:49 < Europe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/182.178.59.115 09:49 < Europe> they seem to admire quite a few of us 09:49 < Frood> i feel like {{uw-protect}} would almost be appropriate there... 09:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway they are snow lubbers 09:49 -!- Trugster [~chatzilla@b01a354e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Client Quit] 09:49 < Frood> nah 09:50 < Frood> he tried to get people to skype with him so he could show off his dick 09:50 < Tony_Sidaway> I hope somebody redirected him to Commons ;( 09:50 < Tony_Sidaway> ;) 09:50 < Europe> with no pref3erences as to whether his chatting partner is male or female, apparerntly 09:50 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@cpc1-dudl6-0-0-cust1981.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:50 < Europe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PakistaniLover15 09:50 < Europe> no edits 09:50 < Apheori> Anyone want a large dead mouldy palm tree? 09:51 < Europe> was he on a different account name? 09:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Apheori ebay 09:51 < Frood> Apheori: It's dead now!? 09:51 < Pharos> do you have free shipping? 09:51 < Apheori> Frood: It all died. 09:51 < Frood> :( 09:52 < Apheori> Pharos: Only tree shipping. 09:52 < Europe> palm trees are a sign of wealth around here 09:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Samsung: Apple Stole the iPad's Design From Univ of Missouri Professor 09:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/08/15/1642221/samsung-apple-stole-the-ipads-design-from-univ-of-missouri-professor 09:52 < Europe> "look that guy's so rich he can get a palm tree to survive in -30C weather" 09:52 < Apheori> I have other palm trees. This was just my enormous huge one. 09:52 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:52 < Pharos> how many? 09:52 < Apheori> I think the water killed it. 09:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Apple Stole the iPad Design from Arthur C Clarke. 09:52 < Frood> Fluffernutter: <3 09:52 < Frood> You're my second favorite admin now. 09:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Or Kubrick. Or both. 09:52 < Apheori> Five pots of them in this room... 09:53 < Apheori> Granted this is the holding room where everything gets stashed. 09:53 -!- dangerCTL [~elytra@64.109.7.158] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:53 < Europe> I love that story 09:53 < Apheori> Frood: Is your favourite Courcelles by any chance? 09:53 < Pharos> why are you stockpiling palm trees? 09:53 < Europe> Samsung doesnt care if its own tablets are violating patents, as long as Apple goes down with them 09:54 < Europe> "Yeah so what if we stole from Apple, Apple started it !!!" 09:54 < Apheori> Pfft, it's nothing to the number of begonias I have. 09:54 < Pharos> ok, then why are you stocklpiling begonias? 09:54 < Europe> lol. theere's an iPad application that shows where registered Democrats live, and their name and age 09:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Patents on minor design elements like this are trivial and abusive. The courts should come down like a tonne of bricks on this kind of abusive patent trolling. 09:55 < Apheori> I'm not. They just keep needing to be pruned and I can't help but make new begonias out of the prunings!\ 09:55 < Pharos> you are addicted 09:55 < Europe> ans it's only for the iPhone 09:55 < Pharos> face the facts 09:55 < Apheori> Yes. 09:55 < Europe> *iPad 09:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway Pattent trolling sounded like something out of WP:ANI 09:55 < Apheori> Plants are less emotionally damaging than wikis, however. 09:56 < Pharos> begonias should be a class IV controled substance 09:56 < Apheori> And spider plants? 09:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Apheori I dont know 09:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> PLants can depress more than people 09:56 < mareklug> Europe: what exactly is a refistered Democrat? in Illinois you can choose to walk in and vote at wither the democratic primary or republican, and is that what registers you? 09:56 < Europe> yeah 09:56 < Tony_Sidaway> My wife went away for ten days recently, and rather than ask me and our son to water plants she stuck these weird glass bulbs on stalks into the pots. 09:56 < Apheori> And philodendrons and snake plants? 09:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am still trying to make my garden to talk back to me :/ 09:56 < Tony_Sidaway> It worked very well. 09:56 < Pharos> in most states you can't do that 09:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway are you sure she isnt an alien with future tech? 09:57 < Europe> getting the names & addresses of Democrats is only, like, 1% of the application's power 09:57 < Pharos> you pick a party when you first register to vote 09:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you may be her experiment subjects 09:57 < Europe> but it's the part that's getting people annoyed 09:57 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: well it did look suspiciously like something from Space 1999. 09:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> O_O 09:57 * ToAruShiroiNeko hides under a pillow 09:58 -!- foxierJVI [~cadets@dynamic-78-9-149-19.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:58 < Frood> Apheori: Foxj is my favorite. 09:58 -!- foxierJVI [~cadets@dynamic-78-9-149-19.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has left #wikipedia-en [] 09:58 < Tony_Sidaway> How many countries have an official party system like the US? I ask because I'm only familiar with the UK system where we don't register any affiliation. 09:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway what do you mean? 09:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> US system is hardly simple 09:59 < Pharos> i don't know, but i think US is fsirly unusual 09:59 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@173.171.64.254] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:59 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@173.171.64.254] has quit [Changing host] 09:59 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> very few people register to political parties in the US %-wise 09:59 < mareklug> in a general election you can vote on any party and even write in mickey mouse 09:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 50% dont even bother to vote 09:59 < Europe> china has a political party system 10:00 < Pharos> in the US, about 2/3 of voters are members of political parties 10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug mickey mouse should have been romney's running mate 10:00 < Tony_Sidaway> To identify likely voters in the UK we have to ask--knocking on doors and asking "will you vote for our candidate?" Then on election day we check if they've voted and, if they're willing, give them a car lift tot he polling station. 10:00 < Pharos> that 10:00 < Pharos> that's way more than UK 10:00 < Europe> Romney is a joke 10:00 < Apheori> Frood: He's certainly cute. 10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Romney is a cartoon character 10:00 < Pharos> Romney can't even tell a joke 10:00 < Frood> he blocked an entire sockfarm a couple weeks ago for me 10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> It is only fair he gets a running mate which is also a cartoon character 10:00 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-29-176.albyny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: tonynoname] 10:01 < Apheori> And he's cute! 10:01 < Apheori> Massively cute. 10:01 -!- Ironholds [~Ironholds@wikipedia/Ironholds] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Romney is cute? 10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no way 10:01 < Apheori> No, Foxj. 10:01 < mareklug> how did Rafalca do? 10:01 < Pharos> what about Paul Ryan? 10:01 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: yes, party affiliation in the UK mostly means making a membership donation to your local party. Only real political mavins bother. 10:01 < Apheori> Probably the cutest admin we have, including the ladies. 10:02 < TeeTylerToe> rafalca didn't do well 10:02 < Frood> Apheori: you should date fox. 10:02 < Europe> i remember fox welcomed me back in 2007 10:02 * Apheori kidnaps Frood. 10:02 < TeeTylerToe> I thought fox didn't like europe 10:02 < Frood> Apheori: why 10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fox doesnt like socialism 10:03 < Pharos> he likes scitland! 10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> But they act in a socialist manner 10:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Rafalca is, I suspect, more by way of a tax write-off than a serious attempt at dominating equestrianism in the Olympics. 10:03 < Frood> Pharos: scitland? 10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> think about the tea party movement, pure unpaid socialism 10:03 < TeeTylerToe> why does a 4,000 ton coast guard cutter designed to patrol oil tankers, container ships, and cruise ships need to go 28 knots? 10:03 < Pharos> it's like scotland, only more so 10:03 < Frood> that sounds like a lame porno title 10:03 < Europe> oh rigfht Im still using the name Europe 10:03 -!- Europe is now known as Soapy 10:04 < Soapy> that was meant to be a one-off joke that I didnt even use 10:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe because they do knot know any better 10:04 < TeeTylerToe> or maybe Romney's wife likes horses 10:04 < Apheori> Frood: To silence you! 10:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Romney is a horse 10:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he should submit his not-horse certificate 10:04 < TeeTylerToe> the long form 10:05 -!- Matthew_ is now known as MRB[away] 10:05 < Soapy> i love http://what-if.xkcd.com/ 10:06 < Soapy> if xkcd the comic strip ever ends, i hope he continues the what-if's page 10:06 -!- Christoph_WMDE [~chatzilla@p5DDC6B71.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10 < Soapy> DDSDSDS 10:10 < Soapy> HELP 10:10 < Soapy> KEYBOARD STUCK" 10:10 < Soapy> KI:LN:LKNLL<K<L 10:10 < Soapy> THIS HAPPENS TO ME A LOT 10:11 < Soapy> HOW DO IF IXX!!! 10:11 < Soapy> wait, got caps lock turned off 10:11 < Soapy> ok that was weird 10:11 -!- MC8|2 [~herpes@host109-152-32-173.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:11 < Soapy> some "other" caps lock got stuck on somehow 10:12 < Soapy> such that pressing "regular" caps lock on and off had no effect 10:12 < Soapy> but then I pushed a bunch of other buttons and it returned to normal 10:12 < Soapy> maybe there's a virus that does nothing besides force you to type in capitals 10:14 -!- thineantiquepen is now known as IEnjoyCaningWith 10:14 < mareklug> it probably also registers you as a Republican 10:14 < Soapy> ok 10:14 * Soapy gets out a whip 10:14 * Soapy starts whacking away at thineantiquepen 10:14 -!- IEnjoyCaningWith is now known as MyCaneIsUseful 10:15 -!- RD [~Ryan@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15 < Tony_Sidaway> "there are probably around a million tons of pet dog in the US alone" 10:16 < Soapy> yeah I noticed that 10:16 < Soapy> i thought it was a typo, but I think xkcd's just using a weird type of grammar 10:17 -!- tkazec [~msk@173.247.10.144] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:17 < Soapy> basically any noun can be a measure term, which has no plural 10:17 < Soapy> though there are a few typos in xkcd 10:17 < Soapy> it always surprises me 10:17 < Tony_Sidaway> Well he's talking about the payload, so he concentrates on the mass rather than the number of pet dogs and their names. 10:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Of course, if we used the pet dog as reaction mass... 10:18 < Soapy> yeah 10:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Dog-powered spacecraft! 10:18 < mareklug> but there is a subject/verb disagreement: there are…. a million 10:18 < Soapy> "tons" is the subject 10:18 < Soapy> its just like saying "there were 1000 girls at the beach" 10:18 < mareklug> no, Tony 10:19 < mareklug> a million tons 10:19 < Tony_Sidaway> There are around a million tonnes of cute girl at the beach. 10:19 < mareklug> is 10:19 -!- RD [~Ryan@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:19 < mareklug> ask a teacher 10:20 < Tony_Sidaway> English grammar isn't equally distributed over the surface of the earth. 10:20 < Soapy> oh come on 10:20 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@wikipedia/Anna-Frodesiak] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:20 < Soapy> surely we can all agree the "a million tons" is plural no matter where we live or how we spell ton(ne)s 10:20 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@wikipedia/Anna-Frodesiak] has left #wikipedia-en [] 10:20 < mareklug> i bet British and American grammar dovetail on the subject of verb/subject agreement 10:21 < mareklug> no Soapy . it happens to be singular 10:21 < Soapy> arent you from Poland? 10:21 < Soapy> they teach a super-hyper correct English there that isnt what anyone reallt uses 10:21 < mareklug> I went to Senn high school in Chicago 10:21 < Soapy> aw 10:21 < Soapy> ok sorry 10:22 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm not clear what you're arguing about. 10:22 < Soapy> but surely "a million " + anything is singular 10:22 < Tony_Sidaway> But the grammar of that xkcd piece isn't egregiously bad. 10:22 < Soapy> er 10:22 < mareklug> there is a million… not there are a million. that's all. 10:22 < Soapy> PLURAL 10:22 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:22 -!- kat is now known as coldplay 10:22 -!- MyCaneIsUseful [568ac4a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.196.167] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:22 < Soapy> if you argue for singular youre basically saying there's an omitted measure term. Like "a million strong crowd of people" insytead of just " 10:22 < Soapy> a million people" 10:23 < Tony_Sidaway> I still don't know what you're trying to say. 10:23 < Apheori> 'million' is one thing containing a million, but the million things ain't even remotely singular. 10:23 < Soapy> so is 999,999 plural? 10:23 < Apheori> Million is just a grouping. 10:23 < Soapy> but 1,000,000 is singular? 10:23 < Apheori> You can have a grouping of 999999. 10:23 < Apheori> It's a grouping. 10:23 < Apheori> That's all. 10:23 < Soapy> i think I understand what Marek is saying, just disagree 10:23 < Tony_Sidaway> It doesn't matter. You can argue about this forever, but grammar is not obliged to follow the rules of number. 10:23 < mareklug> Apheori: grammatically, any construct starting with "a" or "an" is singular 10:24 < Apheori> Yes, it's the CONSTRUCT. 10:24 -!- the_metalgamer [~the_metal@83.222.55.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:24 < Apheori> The construct is still referring to a bloody plurality. 10:24 < Soapy> well in the English I speak even "a dozen" is plural 10:24 < mareklug> so it takes "is" 10:24 < Tony_Sidaway> Is it Marek Lug or Mare Klug? 10:24 < Soapy> "there are a dozen swimming pools" 10:24 < Soapy> not *"there is a dozen swimming pools" 10:24 < mareklug> do a whois Tony 10:24 < Apheori> Ooo, I missed that. Soapy, you're right. 10:25 < Apheori> I mean, I thought you were right before, but this is more right. 10:25 < Soapy> I *guess* you could say "There's a dozen swimming pools", and I've probably used that form in my own speech, but I'd consider that informal and technically wrong 10:25 < mareklug> Soapy : there is a dozen *of* swimming pools. 10:25 < Tony_Sidaway> There is a tonne of peas. There are a tonne of peas. I don't care which you use to be honest. 10:26 < Apheori> mareklug: You can do that, but then you're not referring to the pools but the dozen. 10:26 < mareklug> there are dozens of swimming pools. you may be confusing the two 10:26 < Apheori> And a tonne is a defined unit. 10:26 < Apheori> You're still referring to the dozens and not the pools. 10:26 < Tony_Sidaway> There are soon to be many tonnes of words spilled over this subject. 10:26 -!- dangerCTL [~elytra@64.109.7.158] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.7 sic populo comunicated] 10:27 < Apheori> Anyone want a dead fern? 10:27 < Frood> Anyone want a dead baby? 10:28 < Apheori> While I'm sure that would make good fertiliser too, those raise too many suspicions. 10:28 < Soapy> i still haevnt posted my wikipedia dream online 10:28 < Fluffernutter> was it dirty, Soapy? 10:28 < Soapy> nope 10:28 < Apheori> You have a dream? 10:28 < Soapy> actually Wikipedia was just a tiny part of the dream 10:28 < Soapy> Itd probably not be very interesting 10:29 < Soapy> but basically Wikipedia had put out a video game that turned every Wikipedia article into a screen in an RPG game similar to Secret of Mana 10:29 < Soapy> I dont really know *how* it worked 10:29 < Soapy> if I hadnt woken up maybe I'd have learned more 10:29 < Soapy> I think it's the sort of thing I'd be better off thinking about while awake anyway 10:30 < Soapy> but the dream was mostly about me remembering that I'd been in a movie as a kid 10:30 < Tony_Sidaway> Dreams are great for that kind of thing. Stuff that either makes sense at the time, or seems just beyond the cusp of understanding and if only you stay dreaming longer, you feel, you'll learn more. 10:30 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:31 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-29-176.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:31 < Tony_Sidaway> The worst dreams for me are the one that mimic real life. Weeks later I'll realise that a conversation I remember actually took place in a dream. Quite embarrassing sometimes. 10:31 < Soapy> yeah 10:31 < Soapy> that has happened occassionall to me 10:33 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:33 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@bas2-cooksville01-2925346470.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33 -!- ExtinguishBusy [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [SeaMonkey 2.11/20120715041107]] 10:33 -!- Earwig [~earwig@wikipedia/The-Earwig] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:34 < Fluffernutter> http://www.food.com/recipe/ice-cubes-420398/review <---haha 10:34 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:34 < Apheori> I sometimes remember things, but I have no proof as to whether or not they happened and so usually assume they don't. 10:34 < Apheori> didn't. 10:36 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:37 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:37 < Pharos> it never happened 10:37 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:38 < Peter-C> Our Corps will always be killing people. Even in peace time, I’ll find someone for our boys to kill out there. Yeah, I’m talking to you Iran - General James Mattis 10:38 < greenrosetta> is it possible to have superscript and subscrpt combined to so two elements are vertically stacked? eg, <sup>a</sup><sub>b</sub> would give "a over b" with no space? 10:40 -!- SarahStierch [~SarahStie@216.38.130.161] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:40 -!- SarahStierch [~SarahStie@216.38.130.161] has quit [Changing host] 10:40 -!- SarahStierch [~SarahStie@wikipedia/SarahStierch] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:41 -!- SarahStierch [~SarahStie@wikipedia/SarahStierch] has left #wikipedia-en [] 10:41 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@CPE0013f7ab79b4-CM0013f7ab79b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:41 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@CPE0013f7ab79b4-CM0013f7ab79b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Changing host] 10:41 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:42 < Pharos> WLM-US meeting in 15 minutes in #wikimedia-us 10:43 < Peter-C> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diglett#Diglett <3 10:45 < Fluffernutter> ...did you really just link to a pokemon list 10:45 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:45 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:45 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:46 -!- MRB[away] [~matthewrb@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Quit: Catch y'all later!] 10:46 < Soapy> thats pretty funny 10:46 < Soapy> ythe ice cube thing 10:46 < Soapy> there must be at least some people that dont know how to make ice 10:47 < Soapy> they go to their local gas station to buy it 10:47 < Soapy> "where does the ice come from???" 10:47 < Soapy> "oh we just ship it in from Canada" 10:48 -!- Anto|away is now known as Antonorsi 10:48 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 -!- absys [~newww@78.57.244.215] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:53 -!- absys [~newww@78.57.244.215] has left #wikipedia-en [] 10:54 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:59 -!- tonynoname2 [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-29-176.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:04 -!- Mrmatiko [~Mrmatiko@wikipedia/Mrmatiko] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:05 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@bas2-cooksville01-2925346470.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:05 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@bas2-cooksville01-2925346470.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 11:07 -!- legoktm [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:10 < Apheori> Why do people like their ANI so much? 11:10 < Frood> attention whores 11:11 < RD> We'll never really understand why. 11:11 < Fluffernutter> why not? everybody loves animated cursors! ([[ANI (file format)]]) 11:11 < Apheori> That seems backwards. 11:12 < Fluffernutter> also, because people are entertained by drama 11:12 < Apheori> Why would you need a specific format just for that? 11:12 < Fluffernutter> microsoft, dear 11:12 < Apheori> I don't get it. 11:12 < Frood> there should only be three image types 11:13 < Frood> svg, png, and jpg 11:13 -!- Earwig [~earwig@wikipedia/The-Earwig] has left #wikipedia-en [] 11:13 < Frood> earwig disagrees 11:13 < Fluffernutter> and a partridge in a pear tree 11:13 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has quit [Quit: I'm out] 11:14 < Apheori> Gif has its uses as well. 11:14 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:14 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 11:14 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:14 -!- DoRD is now known as DoRD|away 11:15 < Apheori> And those are just the common ones. 11:15 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:15 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:15 < Apheori> You also have bitmaps that support text, bitmaps going in different directions, layered bitmaps... 11:16 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:17 -!- dan64- [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:17 < Frood> Apheori: is gif much different than png, really? 11:17 < Frood> both are animated, both are lossless 11:19 -!- the_metalgamer [~the_metal@83.222.55.47] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:20 -!- VZP10224 [~vzp10224@214.235.12.61.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:22 < Soapy> true PNG is not animated, MNG is 11:22 < Soapy> iirc 11:23 < Soapy> i actually agree GIF is basically obsolete now, apart from sometimes it has a tiny advantage of PNG in file size 11:23 < Frood> apng is 11:23 < Frood> and only Firefox supports it 11:23 < Soapy> good for uploading avatars to web forums that max out at 6KB 11:23 < Frood> but. 11:23 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netpbm_format 11:27 -!- ragesoss [~sage@wikimedia/ragesoss] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:28 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Negative 11:28 < mareklug> just to name two that are not reducible yo sag, png and jpeg 11:28 < mareklug> svg 11:33 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:34 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:34 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:34 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:35 * Peter-C tosses lungs at IShadowed 11:36 * IShadowed is hungry 11:36 * Peter-C bakes the lungs 11:36 < IShadowed> better 11:36 -!- PeterSymonds [~Peter@wikimedia/PeterSymonds] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:36 -!- hebx [~henrik@188.120.254.146] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:38 -!- basile [~guillaume@wikimedia/guillom] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:38 -!- Selly|Desktop [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:38 -!- ohai- [ohai@drybones.grimnorth.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:39 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikipedia/Moe-Epsilon] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:39 < TeeTylerToe> I'm always surprised by how big png files are 11:40 -!- yang [yang@jazz.linuxshell.org] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:40 -!- yang is now known as Guest66761 11:41 -!- enhydra` [~kalan@seaotter.kalan.cc] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:41 -!- issyl0_ [~issyl0@freenode/staff/freebsd.developer.issyl0] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:41 -!- issyl0_ is now known as Guest41796 11:42 < Apheori> Frood: Gif uses a different form of compression than png. 11:42 < Apheori> That's all. 11:42 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:43 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:43 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:43 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-67-178.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:43 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:43 -!- Selly|Desktop is now known as Sellyme 11:44 -!- JasonDC|BNC [~Jason-Fre@ec2-107-20-219-166.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:45 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: enhydra, issyl0, JasonDC, heb, ohai, guillom, HarryS, yang_ 11:47 < PissedPanda> ragesoss: beta sent out to mobile-l :) 11:47 -!- enhydra` [~kalan@seaotter.kalan.cc] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 11:47 -!- Netsplit over, joins: enhydra 11:47 < ragesoss> I'm not on mobile-l, but I'll look it up. 11:49 < Jarry1250> ragesoss: I believe the link is https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8768784/WPSignpost-1.0beta1.apk 11:49 < ragesoss> got it 11:49 -!- lfaraone1 is now known as lfaroane 11:49 -!- lfaroane is now known as lfaraone 11:49 < ragesoss> yay, no error message! 11:50 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [] 11:50 < PissedPanda> ragesoss: :D 11:50 < PissedPanda> but they turn up when you need them! 11:50 * Peter-C eats ragesoss’ kids and runs 11:51 < ragesoss> okay, now issues! 11:51 < ragesoss> first off, on my phone a lot of the thumbnails are fuzzy. 11:51 < ragesoss> like scaled-up too-small thumbs. 11:52 < ragesoss> also, I don't like the ALL CAPS of the article titles when viewing an individual article. 11:52 < ragesoss> it'd also be nice to have a progress indicator while the app is trying to fetch the thumbnails. 11:53 < ragesoss> but this is a really fantastic app, overall, PissedPanda! 11:53 < ragesoss> I'm totally never reading the signpost on-wiki again. 11:54 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as fluff|mtg 11:54 < Soapy> I had trouble getting Vector to work on the main Browser app 11:54 < Soapy> e.g. some things werent "touchable" 11:54 < Soapy> is that any better on the mobile app? 11:54 < Soapy> e.g. the favorites star didnt work 11:54 < PissedPanda> ragesoss: :D 11:55 < Soapy> I guess because it isnt technically a button 11:55 < PissedPanda> ragesoss: the scaling issues - what phone are you on? 11:55 < ragesoss> HTC One XL 11:55 < Soapy> but then it appears that mobile app doesnt use favorites anyway 11:55 < PissedPanda> that explains it - I'm sending across 512px thumbs and asking the phones to scale them down 11:55 < PissedPanda> Soapy: the mobile app doesn't quite use vector styles 11:56 < PissedPanda> ragesoss: file a bug :D It looks sharp on mine but mine is an ancient device by comparison (Nexus S) 11:56 < ragesoss> yeah, my phone (and a lot these days) is 720px across. 11:56 < PissedPanda> need to request thumbnails from the client so I know the width 11:56 < Soapy> but seriously has anyone else complained about the favorites star not working on touch-screen devices, besides me? 11:56 < Soapy> I mean, when browsing Wikipedia in a normal browser, not the app 11:57 < Soapy> Im *sure* its not a problem on my end 11:57 < Soapy> because it still fails when zooming to ridiculously huge sizes 11:57 < PissedPanda> Soapy: which favorites star, exactly? and which phone? 11:57 < Soapy> the star "button" that replaces the "watch this page" button on all Vector pages 11:58 < Soapy> the phone doesnt recognize it as pressable, so it doesnt do anything 11:58 < PissedPanda> Soapy: which phone? 11:58 < PissedPanda> I don't think we test logged in behavior *at all* 11:58 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:58 < Soapy> ok 11:58 < PissedPanda> since you're essentially using desktop view on mobile 11:59 < Soapy> well yeah 11:59 < mareklug> Soapy: it works no problem on iOS 5.1.1 11:59 < mareklug> in Safari 11:59 < Gfoley4> editing on your iPhone is very hard 11:59 -!- matt_buck [~mattbuck@95.148.187.185] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:59 < mareklug> iPod touch 11:59 * Peter-C throws a table across the room 12:00 < Peter-C> THAT C-COLLAR IS ON WRONG 12:00 < Peter-C> BAD TV 12:00 * Peter-C tosses Gfoley4 at the TV 12:00 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.188.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:01 < Soapy> i dont remember my password 12:01 -!- matt_buck is now known as mattbuck 12:01 < Soapy> is there any view to see that? 12:01 -!- BarkingFish [~BarkingFi@wikimedia/BarkingFish] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:01 < BarkingFish> evening all :) 12:01 < Soapy> anyway this is really annoying 12:02 -!- TheCavalry [~Chase@wikipedia/Chase-me-ladies-Im-the-Cavalry] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:02 < Soapy> Im logged in but I cant get my password 12:02 < Gfoley4> log out and password reset 12:02 < Soapy> well anyway 12:02 < Soapy> im on HTC Thunderbolt 12:02 < Soapy> and cant test it on my other phone since I cant log in 12:02 < mareklug> can't you log out and get a link at login to have it sent to you? 12:03 < BarkingFish> Ironholds, just to let you know I've replied to you on the missing csd criteria on the talk page of http://enwp.org/WP:CURATE :) 12:03 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Quit: !] 12:04 < noommos> looks good on an s 3, PissedPanda 12:04 -!- DeltaQuad [~quassel@wikipedia/DeltaQuad] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:04 < PissedPanda> noommos: oohoo :D 12:05 < PissedPanda> noommos: how do the images look? 12:05 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@CPE0013f7ab79b4-CM0013f7ab79b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:05 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@CPE0013f7ab79b4-CM0013f7ab79b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:05 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:06 < Ironholds> BarkingFish: indeed; replied to your reply ;p 12:06 < BarkingFish> thanks 12:07 < noommos> looks okay in the overview screen but become fuzzy when viewing content 12:07 < PissedPanda> noommos: in content? Really? can you send me a screenshot? 12:08 < BarkingFish> and yes, you're correct. Recordings fall under A9 :) Everything else is under A7 (you could subdivide the tool, so people can specify which of the A7's it falls under - Band, Web, Biography, etc) :) 12:08 < noommos> sure, where do you want me to put it 12:09 -!- DeltaQuad [~quassel@wikipedia/DeltaQuad] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:09 -!- DeltaQuad [~quassel@wikipedia/DeltaQuad] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09 < PissedPanda> noommos: anywhere :) 12:09 < Soapy> why is it asking me for "Complete action using" on every link? 12:10 < Jarry1250> Soapy: I get that whenever I'm browsing on my Android phone now I've installed the Wikipedia link 12:10 < Jarry1250> *app 12:10 < Jarry1250> I'm not sure if you can make it remember your preference 12:10 < Soapy> well 12:10 < Soapy> 99.9999% of the blame goes to the people who design Android 12:11 < Soapy> they seem to have made every possible choice to make the user experience more frustrating 12:11 < Soapy> on tablets at least 12:11 < Soapy> phones, not really a\problem 12:11 < Soapy> because no one expects to get a PC-like experience on a phone 12:11 < Soapy> but a tablet, youd think they would 12:11 < Soapy> but i really cant use a tablet for more than about 10 minutes without getting frustrated and hyperventilating 12:12 < Soapy> and this tablet was given to me for free!! 12:12 < PissedPanda> Jarry1250: you can - you can use the 'remember' link at the bottom (pre 4.1) to make it remember 12:12 < Soapy> with the expectation that if I got one I'd start promoting them to customers 12:12 < Soapy> ha!!!! 12:12 < TeeTylerToe> the first one's always free 12:12 < Soapy> all it's done is make me even more anti-tablet 12:12 < BarkingFish> Soapy: if you can get me one free, I'll promote them to whoever the fuck you like :D 12:12 < Jarry1250> PissedPanda: "Use by default for this action.", yes, just tried it :) 12:12 < PissedPanda> Jarry1250: should work, and did/does for me 12:13 < Jarry1250> Still annoying if you're like me and you use one some of the time 12:13 < PissedPanda> aah, yes :) 12:13 < Jarry1250> and the other the rest of time 12:13 < mareklug> Soapy: you need to try the last iPad b4 you swear off tablets 12:13 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:13 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:13 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:13 < PissedPanda> also, get me a free tablet and I'll write a Watchlist notification app :P 12:13 < Soapy> ok 12:13 -!- Bradford [b5b6daa4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.182.218.164] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:13 < Soapy> my cellphone is also for free 12:14 < Soapy> but unlike the tablet I have to give it back if I quit my job 12:14 < mareklug> 70% of the market for a reason 12:14 * PissedPanda sincerely hopes that the Mac vs PC story repeats itself 12:14 < Soapy> if I quit, and dont need the tablet for anythuing, i'll give it away 12:14 < Soapy> the iPad is much better than any Android tablet, yes 12:14 < Soapy> but still has a lot of really perverse design flaws 12:15 < mareklug> such as? 12:15 < TeeTylerToe> will someone mow my lawn? 12:15 < Soapy> like "yes we could have made it much better but WE'RE APPLE so we have to be different even if it's perversely harder to use" 12:15 < TeeTylerToe> maybe someone getting a free tablet 12:15 < Soapy> such as no Tab key on the keyboard 12:15 < Soapy> which means you cant really ever type a letter 12:15 < Soapy> without everyone knowing you sent it from an iPad since it's badly formatted 12:15 < TeeTylerToe> I thought tabs were out of vogue 12:15 < TeeTylerToe> particularly on electric media 12:15 < Soapy> it's a 10" screen, they have plenty of room to put a Tab key in 12:16 -!- fluff|mtg is now known as Fluffernutter 12:16 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:16 < Soapy> also all tablets that Ive seen seem to assume we have pixel perfect precision with typing 12:16 < Soapy> both Android and iPad and everything else 12:16 < jubo2> there is something else ?? 12:16 < Soapy> so if you make a typo soemwhere in a long letter, you have to pinch to the precise place where you made it 12:17 < Soapy> there's no "up" or "down" or "left" or "right" on the keyboard 12:17 < Fluffernutter> comic relief edit of the day: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Radiocarbon_dating&curid=26197&diff=507574379&oldid=506831355 12:17 < Soapy> I mean really 12:17 < Soapy> the keyboard on all tablets looks like it's made for three year olds 12:17 < Soapy> with gigantic-sized keys 12:17 < Soapy> but only, like, 30 of them on screen at a time 12:18 < mareklug> the German goalkeeper just saw a red card. and earned a penalty kick. which Messi made the new goalkeeper save. 12:18 < Soapy> if I had such fine motor control as the iPad assumes I do I'd be able to fit a whole 100+ key keyboard on the sctreen 12:18 < Soapy> and of course the keyboard is not customizable 12:18 < Soapy> "thats the keyboard, we spent 4 years designing it, what more could you want" 12:19 < PissedPanda> comic relief bug report of the day - Man threatens to invoice/sue Mozilla/MS for 18,000$ because they drop -moz-prefix https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765645 12:19 < Soapy> at least Android allows you to download new keyboards, though from what Ive seen they still all lack Tab keys, maybe its a limitation in Android itself that there's no Tab key 12:19 < mareklug> there is no usb port on the iPad, right? that's the real failing 12:19 < Soapy> yeah 12:19 < Soapy> that too 12:19 < Soapy> the Apple paranoia against plugging in anything not made and approved by Apple itself 12:19 < BlastHardcheese> download some ram 12:20 < Soapy> no USB flash drives allowed 12:20 < Soapy> or any other external storage 12:20 < mareklug> you should be able to plug in any physical keyboard or device you like 12:20 < PissedPanda> I think it also shows best in their Twitter/FB integration 12:20 < Soapy> EXCEPT ICLOUD OF COURSE!!! 12:20 < TeeTylerToe> it's not designed to be used at a desk 12:20 < PissedPanda> iOS 6 will have as much FB integration as Android 1.6 had, simply because they wanted to build it themselves rather than let FB build it 12:20 < TeeTylerToe> an SD card would be nice 12:20 < TeeTylerToe> maybe bluetooth storage 12:20 < mareklug> but can be. i saw a holder for an iPad that mounts it in the air next to your screen 12:20 < BlastHardcheese> Why would you want to use non-Apple electronics, comrade? 12:21 < TeeTylerToe> because android smartphones are so cheap they actually pay you to buy them 12:21 < TeeTylerToe> and they have much faster hardware 12:21 < TeeTylerToe> they have more storage and ram, and the OS is AMAZING!!! 12:22 < TeeTylerToe> or that's what I keep hearing from everyone on the planet that doesn't have the apple logo tattooed on their face 12:22 -!- gde33 [kvirc@546A1A51.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:22 < TeeTylerToe> I really wanted android to be better than the iphone 12:22 < PissedPanda> rising ethnic / religious tensions in India 12:23 < PissedPanda> again 12:23 < PissedPanda> sigh 12:23 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: you mean android than iOS? 12:23 < TeeTylerToe> I'm talking about the phones themselves 12:24 < TeeTylerToe> the OS too, but the whole device 12:24 < Soapy> im 100% pro-Android now 12:24 < Soapy> for cellphones anyway 12:24 < TeeTylerToe> if iphones are so lucrative, why aren't android phones cheaper 12:24 < mareklug> android is not a phone. it is something that sort of runs in many flavors on lots of different, um, phones 12:24 < Soapy> but I think that only about 20% of Android phones are really any good 12:25 < TeeTylerToe> you can't run android on a dead badger. I tried it, it has terrible reception, and you can actually see the pixels the resolution is so bad 12:26 < mareklug> you certainly can run it on a laptop, and we just might see some soon 12:26 < TeeTylerToe> and still it cost as much as an iphone 12:26 < TeeTylerToe> a pocket laptop? 12:26 < TeeTylerToe> with a touch screen? 12:26 < mareklug> Asus 12:26 < TeeTylerToe> because if you think taking pictures with an ipad is funny, think about making a phonecall with a laptop 12:26 -!- matt_buck [~mattbuck@95.148.187.109] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:27 < mareklug> half of the world video calls on their laptops 12:27 < Soapy> android laptops exist, yeah 12:27 < TeeTylerToe> while they're walking to work? 12:27 < Peter-C> Ironholds - need advice 12:27 < Soapy> phone calls on laptops was big in the mid-90s 12:27 < Soapy> it made sense then because people were almost all using dialup modems 12:27 < Peter-C> I want to look like a 19th/early 20th century brit 12:28 < Soapy> so why not use the same modems to make voice calls? 12:28 < mareklug> if you're with one of the right connedtivity cards, sure 12:28 < Peter-C> You seem like the proper man to talk to 12:28 < Soapy> and cellphones were out of price range for most people 12:28 < Soapy> a $600 cellphone would basically be your best shot 12:28 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.187.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:29 < Jarry1250> Peter-C: What class? 12:29 -!- matt_buck is now known as mattbuck 12:29 < Peter-C> Super high class 12:29 < Peter-C> Like a politican 12:29 < Peter-C> or a lawyer of some sort 12:29 < Jarry1250> Ah, that's more middle class 12:30 < Peter-C> What should I wear do you think? 12:30 < Peter-C> I want to look like a classy barristor. 12:30 < Soapy> *barrister 12:31 * Peter-C flips over Soapy 12:31 < Peter-C> You guys need to bolt things down in the room to prevent me from flipping things 12:31 * Pharos flips Peter-C 12:32 * Peter-C flips over North Korea 12:32 < Peter-C> ‘Merica 12:32 < Jarry1250> Peter-C: Me personally, I'd go with something like http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/10/article-1256949-0884653F000005DC-657_306x423.jpg but with a more prominent pocket watch 12:32 -!- TeeTylerToe [~terrafirm@pool-173-66-178-25.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 12:33 -!- Moonriddengirl [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Moonriddengirl] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:33 < Peter-C> What about a walking stick 12:33 -!- lexein [~chatzilla@wikipedia/lexein] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:33 -!- Moonriddengirl [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Moonriddengirl] has left #wikipedia-en [] 12:34 -!- matt_buck [~mattbuck@95.148.188.211] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:35 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:35 < Jarry1250> Peter-C: Mahogany-esque curved cane, probably. Not easy to find these days, of course. 12:35 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:35 < Peter-C> http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Screen-Shot-2012-07-04-at-13.51.29.png - what about this? 12:35 < mareklug> Khedira shoots own goal. the poor Germans have no luck 12:35 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.187.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:36 < Peter-C> Also, what are your sources on fashion of this sort? 12:36 -!- matt_buck is now known as mattbuck 12:37 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38 < Jarry1250> Peter-C: Yeah, a nice timeless look I always think, that one. But could definitely benefit from a pocket watch. Oh, no expertise in particular, I'm afraid. Beyond being British and a lover of British history. :) 12:38 < Peter-C> :3 12:39 < noommos> PissedPanda, trying to upload the screenshots, chrome, firefox and ie have decided to commit suicide 12:39 < PissedPanda> noommos: hehe, trying to help me seems to have that effect, yes :) 12:41 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:42 -!- LikeLakers2 [~LikeLaker@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:43 -!- Ironholds [~Ironholds@wikipedia/Ironholds] has quit [] 12:43 < BarkingFish> gtg out, back in a bit :) 12:43 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:47 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:48 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:50 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:50 -!- HarryS [H@unaffiliated/harrys] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:51 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has quit [Quit: Nothing to do here… *flies away*] 12:51 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 12:55 -!- noommos is now known as noom 12:56 -!- noom is now known as noommos 12:58 -!- rr0 [kvirc@wikipedia/ruslik0] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:59 -!- heinrich5991 [~hein5991@unaffiliated/heinrich5991] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:00 -!- matt_buck [~mattbuck@95.148.187.220] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:00 -!- Bradford [b5b6daa4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.182.218.164] has left #wikipedia-en [] 13:01 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:02 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.188.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03 -!- PeterSymonds_ [~Peter@wikimedia/PeterSymonds] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:04 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 13:04 -!- heinrich5991 [~hein5991@unaffiliated/heinrich5991] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:05 -!- Soapy is now known as Sid_the_Slug 13:05 -!- noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 13:06 -!- PeterSymonds [~Peter@wikimedia/PeterSymonds] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:08 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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That would defeat the point of having passwords. 14:14 < Soapy> well sure 14:14 < Soapy> if you never forget your passwords, then thats OK 14:15 < Tony_Sidaway> It's definitely a good idea not to forget your password. But if you do you can usually invoke a reset procedure by typing in your email address. 14:15 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac4a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.196.167] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:16 -!- Tony_Sid1way [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:17 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac4a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.196.167] has quit [Quit: mmm... pie seems to be cooked!] 14:18 -!- PissedPanda [~yuvipanda@mediawiki/Yuvipandan] has quit [Quit: meh] 14:20 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:20 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:22 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac4a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.196.167] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:22 -!- BarkingFish [~BarkingFi@wikimedia/BarkingFish] has quit [Quit: I used to be a werewolf, but I'm alright nooooOOOOOOOOWWWWWW! :)] 14:23 -!- BarkingInHades [~BarkingFi@cpc13-cmbg15-2-0-cust132.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:23 -!- BarkingInHades is now known as BarkingFish 14:23 -!- BarkingFish is now known as Guest82209 14:25 -!- Guest82209 is now known as BarkingFish 14:25 -!- BarkingFish [~BarkingFi@cpc13-cmbg15-2-0-cust132.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:25 -!- BarkingFish [~BarkingFi@wikimedia/BarkingFish] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:28 -!- Jarry1250 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Jarry1250] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:29 -!- mysterytrey [~3dos@wikimedia/Mysterytrey] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30 -!- mysterytrey [~3dos@wikimedia/Mysterytrey] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:30 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac4a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.196.167] has quit [Quit: mmm, so this pie is now ready to be devoured by the munching jaws of the unknown from Sonnet 19.] 14:32 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac4a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.196.167] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:32 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@112-213-134-76.bb.ispone.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:32 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@112-213-134-76.bb.ispone.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 14:32 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:33 -!- thineantiquepen [568ac4a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.138.196.167] has quit [Client Quit] 14:33 < mysterytrey> They're seems to be a wikisourcerer on freenode today. 14:33 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has left #wikipedia-en [] 14:34 < foks> You scared him! 14:34 < mysterytrey> I was talking about someone else 14:35 < mysterytrey> [17:33:01] <-- frenezulo (~quassel@wikisource/benjameno) has left #freenode ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.") 14:35 -!- Antonorsi is now known as Anto|away 14:35 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-93-39-121.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Beams.] 14:37 -!- Qcoder02 [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/qcoder02] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:37 < ragesoss> is there a way to disable the links to parent pages from subpages, on a page by page basis? Like a magic word to suppress the parent page links? 14:38 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip72-193-246-5.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:40 < foks> ragesoss, you mean, like, at the top of the pages? 14:40 < foks> I have no idea. 14:40 < ragesoss> yeah, that' 14:40 < ragesoss> s what I mean. 14:41 < Soapy> I dont know what you mean 14:41 < Soapy> do you mean how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:OS/2 links to talk:OS ? 14:41 < Qcoder02> Good Evening people 14:41 < Soapy> I believe there is no solution, and the last time I asked someone told me "it's not a bug." 14:41 < ragesoss> that's right, Soapy 14:41 < BarkingFish> Soapy, when you're on a subpage from an article, there's a link at the top which says something like: < back to article - i think that's possibly what ragesoss is on about 14:42 < Qcoder02> Does anyone here know how to get anger out of the system? 14:42 < Soapy> I think it *is* a bug, and it's been around for at least 10 years 14:42 < ragesoss> definitely a bug. 14:42 < Qcoder02> I've recently been playing some shoter games and I don't like the way I fell playing them 14:42 < Qcoder02> *shooter 14:42 < foks> How's that a bug? 14:42 < foks> :p 14:43 < ragesoss> it's Wikipedia: space where I'm working now. The idea being, on some pages (like those aimed at newcomers) you really want to reduce the amount of clutter. 14:43 < foks> Ah, right, I get you know 14:43 < Soapy> does that happen in article space too? 14:43 < foks> No 14:43 < Soapy> I mean I know there are hardly any /'s in article space 14:43 < Soapy> OK 14:43 < foks> I think it only applies to the other namespaces 14:43 < ragesoss> Soapy: subpages are not enabled in article space. 14:43 < Soapy> so [[OS/2]] does not link you to [[OS]], but [[talk:OS/2]] does 14:43 < Soapy> Silly. 14:44 < ragesoss> although they are in Talk: space. 14:44 < ragesoss> because there shouldn't ever be subpages in article space, but some titles have slashes. 14:44 < Soapy> OS/2 was cool btw 14:44 < foks> For Archives and that 14:44 < Soapy> I remember when I loved OS/2 14:44 < Soapy> OS/2 was the WebOS of the 90s 14:45 < Soapy> a great OS, that happened to be made by a company that had no use for it, so they killed it 14:45 < ragesoss> there are also now a lot of project space pages that use tab templates 14:45 < ragesoss> where the first tab is the parent page 14:45 < ragesoss> and the others are subpages 14:45 < ragesoss> so you get distracting layout changes when you change tabs: the tabs don't stay in the same place. 14:45 * aude sure it can be implemented 14:46 < ragesoss> aude: it seems simple enough, I think it 14:46 < aude> is there a bug for this? 14:46 < ragesoss> 't just no one has ever coded that magic word. 14:46 < ragesoss> not that I know of. 14:46 * aude nods 14:46 < ragesoss> I'll start one if there isn't. 14:46 < Soapy> i remember reading about the backlink "bug" many years ago 14:46 < Isarra> A magic word to disable it on certain pages would be nice. 14:47 < ragesoss> totes 14:47 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:47 < aude> it'd be a nice little thing to code 14:48 -!- u99of9 [~chatzilla@124-149-38-55.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:50 -!- Courcelles_ [~chatzilla@ool-18b948d6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:50 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28technical_restrictions%29#Forward_slashes_and_dots 14:50 < Soapy> thats' where it was 14:52 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@wikipedia/Lukas23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52 < BarkingFish> Is there any way to find out if a specific bot on wp is out of action? I notice VernoWhitney's VWBot is doing copyright tagging, which is normally done by CorenSearchBot. VWBot is only approved as a backup for that task. 14:53 -!- Courcelles [~chatzilla@ool-18b948d6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:53 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:53 -!- Courcelles_ is now known as Courcelles 14:53 < BarkingFish> nvm, figured it out - CSB is down. Not edited since August 3rd. 14:54 < Qcoder02> Hi BarkingFish 14:54 < BarkingFish> hi Qcoder02 14:54 < Qcoder02> Can I have a word in PM? 14:54 < BarkingFish> yeah, sure 14:54 * mysterytrey feels left out. 14:55 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@dslb-094-217-018-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:55 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@dslb-094-217-018-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:55 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@wikipedia/Lukas23] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:55 < Tony_Sidaway> I still don't see in what way that very useful functionality can be regarded as a "bug". 14:56 < Tony_Sidaway> If you're on a subpage there _should_ be a link to the main. 14:56 -!- Fluffernutter [Fluffernut@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has quit [Quit: hometime] 14:56 < ragesoss> Tony_Sidaway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history 14:57 -!- matt_buck [~mattbuck@95.148.186.54] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:57 < ragesoss> the tabs shift location as you navigate. 14:57 < mysterytrey> Although perhaps there should be a magic word to hide that link. 14:57 < ragesoss> mysterytrey: right, a behavior switch like __NOTOC__ 14:57 < mysterytrey> YES!!! 14:57 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.186.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:58 < BarkingFish> there may already be one, ragesoss - try asking #mediawiki - i think the magic words are coded into the base software 14:58 -!- matt_buck is now known as mattbuck 14:58 < ragesoss> BarkingFish: will do, although if it exists it doesn't appear to be documented. 14:59 < BarkingFish> brb, gonna grab a coffee and some food :) 14:59 < ragesoss> anyhow, folks, vote for the bug I just started if you like: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39395 14:59 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, it's a bug in the sense that [[Talk:9/11]] is not a subpage 14:59 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:59 < foks> oh, right, missed ragesoss's explanation 15:00 < Tony_Sidaway> foks: now _that_ is a bug. :) 15:00 < Spitfire> __that__* 15:01 < Tony_Sidaway> The "tabs" in this case are just some bit of style nonsense inserted by somebody. That tabbed functionality is not supported by Mediawiki (perhaps it should be, but that's another matter). 15:01 < foks> Or [[Talk:OS/2]], or [[Talk:Little Thoughts/Tulips]]... 15:01 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:01 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, perhaps, but a magic word would be applicable to both 15:01 < Tony_Sidaway> You can't just randomly fiddlle with stylesheets and then say "this is a bug" when you make a mess of the wiki. 15:02 -!- YE is now known as YE|AFK 15:02 < Tony_Sidaway> foks: the talk pages of articles with slashes are a clear bug. There should be a special case in there. 15:02 < ragesoss> Tony_Sidaway: sure, maybe not a bug, but a reasonable thing to have flexibility for. I submitted it as an enhancement request. 15:02 < mysterytrey> Tony_Sidaway: Why can't you? 15:02 < Peter-C> FUCK YES 15:02 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, the only solution really is the magic word. 15:02 < Tony_Sidaway> mysterytrey: feature creep. 15:02 * Peter-C does a quadrople backflip 15:03 < Peter-C> BarkingFish - pm naow 15:03 < Peter-C> like, naowwwwwww 15:03 < Qcoder02> Isn't there a way to escape / charcters that aren't subpage seperators... 15:03 < foks> 'Cos just disabling talk page subpages would mean no archives etc 15:03 -!- shimgray [~andrew@wikimedia/Shimgray] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:03 < Tony_Sidaway> foks: I don't see how a magic word would help. [[Talk:9/11]] would still be a subpage, which it should not be. 15:03 < mysterytrey> Peter-C: As opposed to a quadruple backflip? 15:03 < Peter-C> Yes 15:03 < Peter-C> I make words up as I go 15:03 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, unless you somehow ASCIIfy the slash... 15:04 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm not even going to try to think what you mean by that. 15:04 < foks> The __NOPARENTLINK__ might be able to tell mediawiki that it's not a subpage 15:04 < foks> ASCIIfy. Like, &. 15:04 < foks> Or whatever. 15:05 < foks> Maybe use a ⁄ character. 15:05 < foks> 'Cos god knows what that's meant to do otherwise 15:05 < Qcoder02> foks: Whats the difference ? 15:05 < Qcoder02> I see two different charcters 15:05 < Qcoder02> Is one Unicode? 15:05 < foks> What? 15:06 < Qcoder02> And I am assuming MediaWiki can cope with Unicode... 15:06 < foks> The difference is one is / and one is ⁄ 15:06 < Qcoder02> foks: OK 15:06 < foks> I think the latter is the division slash. 15:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Kludging character representations is never the right answer. 15:06 < foks> I know. 15:06 -!- SoapX [~Soap@d-24-233-115-212.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:06 -!- SoapX [~Soap@d-24-233-115-212.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:06 -!- SoapX [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:06 < foks> Hence the bugzilla 15:06 -!- Soapy [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:06 < mysterytrey> / ⁄ / All the same. 15:06 < foks> ª⁄. 15:06 < Qcoder02> I thought one might be ASCII, and the other a different Unicode point... 15:06 -!- Soapy [~Soap@d-24-233-115-212.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:07 < Qcoder02> I can only type / on my keyboard 15:07 -!- {Soap} [Soap@d-24-233-115-212.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:07 -!- {Soap} [Soap@d-24-233-115-212.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:07 -!- {Soap} [Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:07 < foks> Yeah, the ⁄ is typable on a Mac keyboard 15:07 < foks> it's probably in your charmap though 15:07 * Qcoder02 starts ranting about pervets into Macs... 15:07 < {Soap}> what is ⁄ ? 15:08 < foks> Division sympbol. 15:08 < foks> -p 15:08 < Qcoder02> sympobol? 15:08 < Qcoder02> *sympbol 15:08 < Qcoder02> ? 15:08 < Tony_Sidaway> This seems to be making irssi rather sea sick. 15:08 < foks> So you can fit a superscipt "1" and a subscript "2" if you wanted, and the kerning would probably work. 15:08 < {Soap}> well it's a weird type of slash 15:08 < {Soap}> / is what i use 15:08 < foks> I know. 15:08 < foks> It's what I use as well. 15:08 -!- Soapy [~Soap@d-24-233-115-212.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:08 -!- Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away 15:09 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, I would say "get a better client" but that would be disrepectful. 15:09 < Qcoder02> {Soap} Of course it's slash, It's whats make a numerator and denominator play nice and love the typesetter on a Mac ;) 15:09 < Qcoder02> And we all know Mac's are .... (Nah too easy) 15:09 < foks> 1⁄2 15:09 < Qcoder02> XD 15:10 < Qcoder02> Sorry, I'm in a funny mood 15:10 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:10 < Qcoder02> How many Arbcom members does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but the Community must have decided the light bulb won't change on it's own 15:10 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:10 -!- SoapX [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:11 < BarkingFish> I went to bed in a rainbow wig, frilled ruff, baggy pants, face paint and a red nose last night - I woke up feeling funny this morning :) 15:11 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11 -!- Jan_eissfeldt [~Jan_eissf@p54B92EFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:11 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: Did we change at Upminster this evening? 15:11 < Qcoder02> XD 15:11 < BarkingFish> ? 15:11 < foks> How many Arbcom members does it take to change a light bulb? 15:12 < foks> Seven, and one recuse. 15:12 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: PM me and I'll explain it there... 15:12 < Tony_Sidaway> foks: I quite agree. The client is at fault. 15:12 < Qcoder02> Honestly I try to do surreal comedy here and it goes over people's heads... 15:12 -!- Jeske_Merensky [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:12 < foks> Chatzilla is a verily nice client. 15:13 < {Soap}> your sense of humor is rather unusual QC 15:13 < Tony_Sidaway> I can't use chatzilla on a terminal. I used it a few times on Debian but it had a lot of memory leaks. 15:13 < BarkingFish> {Soap}, the sense of humor is fine, providing you understand it :) 15:14 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, if you're in a terminal, what about irssi? 15:14 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: I can still get people by asking for directions to Ari Jabba ;) 15:14 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: that's what I'm using now. It reacted badly to the last lot of unicode characters. Not disastrously so, but not well. 15:15 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, yeah, that's one downside - it needs the charset changing somewhere in its config, I think. Try speaking to #irssi - I am pretty sure they told me how to do it - only I can't remember :P 15:17 * foks doesn't use terminals, 'cos. 15:17 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: I'm supposed to have set it up for UTF-8 but maybe it got lost in the current session. 15:17 < Tony_Sidaway> I'll disconnect and take a look. 15:17 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:18 < mysterytrey> Everyone spam unicode characters to annoy tonysideaway! 15:18 < mysterytrey> NM. Too late. 15:19 < foks> Thought - how does Tony_Sidaway mark himself as away 15:19 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@12.152.53.220] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:19 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, my environment is set up correctly. In any case it's not a huge problem. 15:21 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, so your terminal is set correctly, and irssi is also set up to use UTF-8... that's a bugger then. It should work. 15:23 -!- Guest41796 is now known as issyl0 15:23 -!- Earwig [~earwig@wikipedia/The-Earwig] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:26 < mysterytrey> foks: What do you mean by mark himself as away? 15:26 < Tony_Sidaway> I've got a Debian shell account somewhere. I've been using that for irc lately, but tonight I'm using my home system. 15:27 < Frood> Tony_Sidaway: do you have to pay for that shell? 15:27 < foks> like, "away 15:27 < Peter-C> Oh god. Bad news. It’s a girl. Where’s the trash can. - The Dictator. 15:28 < BarkingFish> ??? 15:29 < Tony_Sidaway> Frood: I paid ten quid in 2001 or something. Most of my shell accounts are free (and aren't so reliable). 15:29 < Frood> Where do you get them? 15:29 < Tony_Sidaway> Polarhome is the paid one. The others I use now are shellmix.com and cjb.net . 15:30 < Qcoder02> Bad jokes coming up ... 15:30 < Tony_Sidaway> With Polarhome you get a very wide choice of operating system. 15:30 < Tony_Sidaway> He's basically a hobbyist with a big hobby. 15:31 < Qcoder02> "How many pyschiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb? One , but change is already within the bulb..." 15:32 -!- PeterSymonds_ [~Peter@wikimedia/PeterSymonds] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:32 < Qcoder02> " How many Wikipedia admins does it take to change a light bulb? One but they get vieled threats froim people that prefer it to be dark..." 15:33 < Qcoder02> "If Wikipedia was a car .... You'd have to insist the mechanic actually fixed the engine failure rather than just shuffling the sparkplugs...' 15:34 < Qcoder02> "If Wikipedia was a car ... You'd wonder for ages how on earth your friend got the stero installed, before realising it makes the indicators blink every time you change stations..." 15:35 < Qcoder02> "If Wikipedia was a bulidng ... - Before rushing into an office, youd have to check the door didn't open into a mid air chasm.." 15:37 < Qcoder02> "People say Wikipedia users are slightly crazy.. That's OK , we need committed contributors!" 15:37 < Isarra> If Wikipedia WERE* 15:37 < mysterytrey> Second until some op quiets Qcoder02? 15:37 < mysterytrey> **seconds 15:37 < mysterytrey> 5 15:37 < mysterytrey> 4 15:37 < mysterytrey> 3 15:37 < mysterytrey> ... 15:37 < mysterytrey> Seconds until some op quiets me? 15:37 < Qcoder02> Ops here are liberal... 15:38 < Frood> that's irrelevant 15:38 < Qcoder02> You have to do something spectacular to get them to react 15:38 * Isarra dumps a dead seal on the channel. 15:39 < Qcoder02> Isarra: My MY, your diet involves eating whole seals? 15:39 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:39 < foks> Isarra is an orca. 15:39 < Isarra> If I were going to eat it I wouldn't have dumped it here. 15:39 < Isarra> It was just the biggest dead thing I could drag in here. 15:40 < Qcoder02> Apart from some of my attempts at jokes? 15:40 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:40 < mysterytrey> Regarding quiets, I have 2 questions... Why is *!b019fc2d@* Fluf[a]f[k]!u6895@wikipedia/Fluffernutter 1342368029 quieted? 15:41 < Qcoder02> "I have a contact that's a cross dresser, He can be very moody when people's costumes don't fit" 15:41 < Qcoder02> But for that joke to work it has to be Kenneth Williams telling it... 15:42 < mysterytrey> Oh nevermind. 15:42 < mysterytrey> Fluff was the one who quieted. 15:43 * Qcoder02 wonders if someone has quieted me 15:43 -!- {Soap} [Soap@wikipedia/soap] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:43 -!- {Soap} [Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:44 < mysterytrey> Is this you, Qcoder02? "* 367 #wikipedia-en *!*@imgay.ru adams.freenode.net 1339195685" Just kidding, just kidding... 15:44 < Qcoder02> Well at least thay are honest about thier sexuality :) 15:45 < mysterytrey> Yeah... 15:45 < Qcoder02> " What's the difference between a Woman and a 'Queen'?" 15:45 < mysterytrey> Why is "367 #wikipedia-en *!*@TestWiki/bot/Hazard-Bot adams.freenode.net 1339195685" banned? 15:45 -!- Gnumarcoo [~Marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:46 < Qcoder02> " What's the difference between a Woman and a 'Queen'?" "A: It's the attitude !" 15:46 < Earwig> mysterytrey: we don't allow bots, generally 15:46 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@12.152.53.220] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:46 < mysterytrey> Ohh. That makes sense. 15:47 < mysterytrey> So why were they in general? 15:47 < mysterytrey> *here 15:47 -!- Bsadowski1 [~dabtd@wikipedia/Bsadowski1] has quit [Quit: Restarting computer] 15:48 < Tony_Sidaway> mysterytrey: bots are sometimes distrusted by people who like to chat. 15:48 < {Soap}> thats quite a ban list we have 15:48 < mysterytrey> Yep. 15:48 -!- Fluff|away is now known as Fluffernutter 15:48 < mysterytrey> /mode "#wikipedia-en" q & "/mode #wikipedia-en b" 15:49 < Tony_Sidaway> We used to empty the ban list regularly on the old #wikipedia . It tended to fill up with hit-and-run trolls. 15:49 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@65-128-142-54.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:49 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@65-128-142-54.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:49 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:49 < Qcoder02> Drive by trolling? 15:49 < mysterytrey> Well, we use eir now right? 15:49 -!- Jasper_Deng_ [~chatzilla@WindowsEnthusiast.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 15:49 < Qcoder02> A lot of channels use eir, but she's no slut ;) 15:50 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't even know what eir is. 15:50 -!- Jasper_Deng [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jasper-Deng] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:50 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:51 < mysterytrey> eir is a freenode bot that undoes bans and quiets in you set them with an expiry time. 15:51 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 15:54 -!- Bsadowski1 [~dabtd@wikipedia/Bsadowski1] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:54 < {Soap}> yeah 15:55 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:56 < {Soap}> hi 15:56 -!- Beria [~Beria@187.113.113.137] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:56 -!- Beria [~Beria@187.113.113.137] has quit [Changing host] 15:56 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:57 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Quit: zzz] 15:57 < SigmaWP> hi 15:58 < Frood> hi 15:58 -!- BunnyMone [~a____@24.206.10.101] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:59 -!- BunnyMone [~a____@24.206.10.101] has left #wikipedia-en [] 16:00 < SigmaWP> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=507603460&rcid=522866105 16:00 < SigmaWP> I don't have the heart to tag it 16:00 < mysterytrey> He's a preacher. 16:00 -!- MC8 [~herpes@wikimedia/Microchip08] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:00 < mysterytrey> You can't CSD that. 16:01 < BarkingFish> tough, done. 16:01 < BarkingFish> A7 16:01 < mysterytrey> Military leader, etc. 16:01 < Frood> SigmaWP: but i do 16:01 < SigmaWP> Thanks 16:01 < mysterytrey> Heartless Frood. 16:01 -!- Ironholds [~Ironholds@wikipedia/Ironholds] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:01 -!- Matthewedwards [42570733@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.87.7.51] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:02 < BarkingFish> evening Ironholds :) 16:02 < Ironholds> office hours, page curation, #wikimedia-office, nao :) 16:02 < BarkingFish> Did you manage to find anythign out about those weird assed tabs I mailed to you last night? 16:02 < Frood> frood needs food 16:03 < Ironholds> BarkingFish: no luck :( 16:03 < BarkingFish> 0.o 16:03 < BarkingFish> i have nfi where they came from, but i still have them 16:03 < Frood> BarkingFish: what tabs? 16:03 < Isarra> BarkingFish: Still there when you log out? 16:04 < BarkingFish> Isarra, nope 16:04 < Ironholds> BarkingFish: soo. gadget? rogue js? 16:04 < BarkingFish> not a gadget, not rogue .js either 16:04 < Frood> screenshot please 16:04 < BarkingFish> i reset all my prefs to default last night, they're still there, and I stripped out both my css and js files too 16:04 < Isarra> Still there when you turn off js? 16:05 < BarkingFish> yep 16:05 < Isarra> Could you show us a screenshot? 16:05 < Tony_Sidaway> I would CSD that. Nick Damonte, you have a fan, but we don't do fan pages. 16:06 < BarkingFish> yep, this is the "page" tab - you will also notice the "user" tab next to it, and no page history in the top bar - also, no user contributions in the left toolbar now 16:06 < BarkingFish> http://imgur.com/40IBQ 16:07 -!- ceradon [~ceradon@wikimedia/Ceradon] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:07 < BarkingFish> sorry, that one doesn't have the user tab in it 16:07 < BarkingFish> that appears on a user or user talk page though, i think i screenshot that last night and mailed it to Ironholds 16:07 < Frood> BarkingFish: Does it show up in other browsers? 16:08 -!- Matthewedwards [42570733@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.87.7.51] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:08 < {Soap}> weird 16:08 < BarkingFish> Frood, yep - it's there in chromium, firefox, konqueror 16:08 < Isarra> What's it supposed to look like? 16:08 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:08 < Logan_> BarkingFish: You didn't quite strip out your JS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BarkingFish/monobook.js 16:08 < {Soap}> also "wetdogmeat" ... great user name 16:08 < BarkingFish> well, it's not supposed to be there 16:09 -!- ceradon-away is now known as euphoria 16:09 < Isarra> What isn't? 16:09 < BarkingFish> didn't I? oh fucknuts. hold on 16:09 < {Soap}> logan's probably found the answer 16:09 < Frood> there's your problem... 16:09 < Frood> those are part of twinkle 16:09 -!- legoktm [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has quit [Quit: goodbye.] 16:09 < {Soap}> they are? 16:10 < Frood> i think so. 16:10 < Frood> also, heh 16:10 < BarkingFish> no, they're not 16:10 < Frood> essjay edited his monobook.js 16:10 < {Soap}> "page", at least, isnt there for me 16:10 < BarkingFish> and i've now cleared my css and js, properly, refreshed (hard) and they're still there 16:11 < Isarra> Did you purge? 16:11 < BarkingFish> yep 16:11 < Frood> and common.js 16:12 < BarkingFish> and here's the user tab I was telling you about 16:12 < BarkingFish> http://imgur.com/FpFKa 16:12 < Logan_> BarkingFish: Try a different browser now, maybe? 16:12 < BarkingFish> common.js won't affect it - the only thing in there is the external editor script, it's nothing to do with those tabs at all, Frood 16:12 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:13 < {Soap}> is your screen res really that small, or are you just shrinking it to make it easier to see? 16:13 < {Soap}> eh 16:13 < {Soap}> i guess it's 1024x768 16:13 < Logan_> That's small. 16:13 < IRWolfie-> I'm surprised fox news isn't just thrown out the window as a reliable source 16:13 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:15 < Frood> it is small 16:15 < SigmaWP> BarkingFish: But if you always start from the back, what about the newly created attack pages? 16:15 < Isarra> IRWolfie-: Or any news source. 16:15 < {Soap}> once i turned my monitor to 2x1 16:16 < Frood> how did that work out? 16:16 < {Soap}> it didnt work 16:16 -!- rschen7754 [~rschen775@wikipedia/rschen7754] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16 < {Soap}> the graphics card was pretty hackable, but not that much 16:16 < {Soap}> it let me do silly things like 1024x120 though 16:16 -!- rschen7754 [~rschen775@wikipedia/rschen7754] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:16 < Elduen> Someone do me a favor and make it less hot here. 16:17 < Isarra> BarkingFish: Go to your preferences and uncheck 'Add page and user options to drop-down menus on the toolbar.' - it's under appearance gadgets. 16:17 * {Soap} splashes himself all over Elduen 16:17 < IRWolfie-> Isarra: especially fox news, considering the amount of crap they publish, and that they fought for the right to lie 16:17 < Elduen> ...well if that helps. 16:17 < Frood> Elduen: i'll leave. 16:17 < Logan_> Frood is hot.. 16:17 < IRWolfie-> some newspaper are pretty ok, and have a reputation for fact checking 16:18 < Logan_> . 16:18 < Isarra> IRWolfie-: Compare it to the New York Times sometime. It's cute. 16:18 < Frood> . 16:18 -!- aoke1989 [~Administr@wikipedia/Aoke1989] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:18 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:18 < {Soap}> elduen: you in the southwest? 16:18 < {Soap}> i hear it was getting to 120F there 16:18 * GorillaWarfare twitches 16:19 < GorillaWarfare> 120F?! 16:19 < IRWolfie-> Isarra: in what way do you mean? 16:19 < BarkingFish> Isarra, jokes on you. It's not switched on 16:19 < Frood> ohai GorillaWarfare 16:19 < GorillaWarfare> o/ 16:19 < Isarra> Well, that's what you're seeing. Try turning it on and then off? 16:19 < IRWolfie-> (I don't read american papers except for what I come across on wikipedia) 16:20 < Frood> oh BarkingFish 16:20 < Frood> clear your cookies 16:20 < Isarra> IRWolfie-: Falsehoods, is all. 16:22 < Isarra> News ain't generally reviewed, but it's what we've got so we use it. 16:22 < IRWolfie-> For many topics there are better sources 16:23 -!- Thoreau [~R@sm1-84-91-37-56.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:23 < Gfoley4> I don't trust any news unless it's coming out of Stephen Colbert's mouth 16:23 < Gfoley4> Such a liberal! 16:25 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: Sacramento was 110 last weekend. Lush. 16:25 < GorillaWarfare> I think I would actually die. 16:25 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: I was on the American River 16:25 < Ironholds> get too hot? jump the hell in 16:25 < Ironholds> it was GAW-JUSH 16:25 -!- la_pianista [~katelante@wikipedia/La-Pianista] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:25 < GorillaWarfare> Haha 16:25 < Gfoley4> Wasn't that where they mined gold or something? 16:25 < GorillaWarfare> Did I tell you about the british guy who came into my diner? 16:26 < Ironholds> no? 16:26 < GorillaWarfare> He kept saying "cheers" 16:26 < GorillaWarfare> And it made me think of you 16:26 < Isarra> He says that a lot too? 16:27 < GorillaWarfare> Isarra: No, but he says other british things that make me squee a bit 16:27 < GorillaWarfare> In a similar manner 16:27 < Gfoley4> long time no see. la_pianista! 16:27 < Isarra> Ah... 16:27 < la_pianista> 'lo there Gfoley4 ^.^ 16:27 < Isarra> Yes. 16:27 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:28 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: maths. 16:28 * GorillaWarfare squees a bit 16:28 < Ironholds> see? I am like, totally womyn-bait 16:28 < Isarra> Pants. 16:29 < Ironholds> trousers. 16:29 < Isarra> Knickers. 16:29 < GorillaWarfare> Isarra says knickers? 16:30 < Isarra> ...did I get that backwards? 16:31 < Ironholds> Isarra: knickers would be the old-fashioned British version 16:31 < Ironholds> but really there are no good words for ladies undergarments 16:31 -!- Guerillero [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:31 < GorillaWarfare> Definitely can't help but think of bloomers when someone says knickers... 16:31 -!- Jetro [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:32 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 16:32 < Isarra> I blame the aussies. 16:32 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Quit: booting to Ubuntu.] 16:32 < SigmaWP> Yay! 16:33 < Isarra> Buckets, actually trying to think of britishisms, I've got nothing. 16:33 * Isarra pours leeches on SigmaWP. 16:33 < Ironholds> Isarra: I'm a walking britishism 16:33 < GorillaWarfare> ^ 16:33 < Isarra> With a large nose. 16:33 < GorillaWarfare> He says MATHS 16:33 < Tony_Sidaway> I say maths. 16:33 < Isarra> So do NORWEGIANS! 16:33 < GorillaWarfare> Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_words_not_widely_used_in_the_United_States 16:33 < Tony_Sidaway> It's the British word. 16:33 -!- la_pianista is now known as pianista|ping 16:34 < {Soap}> Bloody Briticisms invading Americans speech!! 16:34 < BlastHardcheese> "maths" to me sounds like someone with a speech impediment 16:34 < BlastHardcheese> mathhhhhhhhhhhhhssssssssssssss 16:34 < Guerillero> I uses maths when I want to be ironic 16:34 < Isarra> The speech impediment is 'mathsh'. 16:34 < GorillaWarfare> Hehe, "squiffy" 16:35 < Ironholds> Isarra: it's a nice nose 16:35 < Isarra> It is; it's just big. 16:35 < Isarra> ...and I couldn't think of anything better to say. 16:35 < Ironholds> its bigness is one source of its niceness 16:35 < Ironholds> also, pot, kettle. you are the world expert on big-but-cute noses 16:36 < Isarra> I'm a Mayan. 16:36 * GorillaWarfare takes notes on this rather interesting courtship ritual in her field-book 16:36 < Isarra> It's a sign of class. 16:36 < Isarra> >.> 16:36 < Tony_Sidaway> "Pants" seems to have migrated in British English to meaning, almost exclusively, underpants during my lifetime. I still use "pants" to mean trousers. 16:36 -!- mysterytrey [~3dos@wikimedia/Mysterytrey] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:37 < Ironholds> Isarra: it's cute is what it is. 16:37 * GorillaWarfare scribbles madly 16:38 * Isarra confiscates GorillaWarfare's notes. 16:38 < GorillaWarfare> Damn... 16:38 < Isarra> Lessee here... 16:38 < Isarra> Um... 16:38 < Guerillero> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/all_fur_coat_and_no_knickers is one of my favorite brittisms 16:38 < Isarra> Crap, I need glasses. 16:39 * Ironholds hands Isarra his glasses 16:40 * Isarra gives Ironholds the notes and then holds the glasses for ransom. 16:40 < Ironholds> I can read without my glasses 16:40 * Ironholds reads 16:40 < Ironholds> it says "Ironholds is clearly a very attractive gentleman who should be jumped by all women of taste" 16:40 < Ironholds> Well, I agree with that 16:40 -!- Frood [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:40 -!- Frood [~Frood@50-83-24-112.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:40 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:40 < Ironholds> although the bit about holding me to ransom until we hand over John Barrowman I find offensive. 16:40 < Guerillero> lol 16:41 < Ironholds> he's mine, dammit 16:41 < GorillaWarfare> Damn... 16:42 -!- mysterytrey [~3dos@wikimedia/Mysterytrey] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:43 < Ironholds> oh, you don't want any more doctor who? well, fine then 16:43 < GorillaWarfare> Send me David Tennant too, and I won't need any more 16:44 < Frood> I just booted Ubuntu for the first time since Juneish 16:44 < Frood> I forgot how much I love Linux. 16:44 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:45 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: nuh-uh 16:45 < GorillaWarfare> :( 16:45 * Guerillero chuckles in the back corner 16:45 < Ironholds> we'll trade 16:46 < Ironholds> get me a passport so I can move to oregon, I'll get you barrowman and tennant 16:46 -!- pianista|ping [~katelante@wikipedia/La-Pianista] has quit [Quit: pianista|ping] 16:46 < GorillaWarfare> DONE 16:46 * GorillaWarfare begins Photoshopping 16:46 < Ironholds> ...hah 16:46 < Ironholds> then you get a photoshopped barrowman 16:46 < GorillaWarfare> :( 16:46 < Ironholds> his name is Gary. He's a brickie from Towchester. 16:47 < Ironholds> he likes curries, cheap lager, 3 and a half men and farting into a lighter 16:47 < Ironholds> have fun 16:47 < GorillaWarfare> 3 and a half men? 16:47 < Ironholds> ...google it 16:47 < Guerillero> it gould be worse 16:47 -!- u99of9 [~chatzilla@124-149-38-55.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:47 < Guerillero> you could have given her a chav 16:47 < Ironholds> 2 and a half 16:47 < Ironholds> whatever 16:47 < GorillaWarfare> There we go 16:48 * {Soap} is still reading the British words page 16:48 -!- la_pianista [~katelante@wikipedia/La-Pianista] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:48 < Isarra> Bloody chavs. 16:48 -!- la_pianista [~katelante@wikipedia/La-Pianista] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48 -!- la_pianista [~katelante@wikipedia/La-Pianista] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:49 * GorillaWarfare squees 16:49 < Guerillero> why is BBC america showing gangs of NY 16:49 * Isarra gives GorillaWarfare a large pile of chav-related vandalism. 16:50 < Pharos> because BBC america listened to my letter? 16:50 < Pharos> they're making their own gangs of NY show, strangely enough 16:50 < Pharos> about NYPD in 1864 :P 16:51 < Guerillero> oh fun 16:51 < Isarra> How do you pass args into args because args argh arg. 16:51 < Guerillero> what the frack is an arg 16:51 < Isarra> Argument, grunt, argentina... take your pick. 16:52 < Frood> Isarra: "Plant the top of a pineapple, grow your own" http://i.imgur.com/XRhUi.png 16:52 < Isarra> See I've got this argv thing and apparently I need to rearrange it and I'm too lazy to figure out how. 16:52 < Frood> you should grow a pineapple tree. 16:52 < Frood> and don't let this one die 16:52 < Isarra> Frood: You assume pineapples make it here with still living tops. 16:53 < Isarra> That said, that kind of plant really is quite easy to propagate. 16:54 < Isarra> I had a similar plant have all its roots rot out from under it, so I stuck the top in water and it just grew some new roots. 16:54 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~tony@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:54 -!- Versageek [~Versageek@69.37.95.216] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:54 -!- Versageek [~Versageek@69.37.95.216] has quit [Changing host] 16:54 -!- Versageek [~Versageek@wikimedia/Versageek] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:56 -!- Versageek [~Versageek@wikimedia/Versageek] has left #wikipedia-en [] 16:56 -!- Qcoder02 [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/qcoder02] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 16:59 -!- Ironholds [~Ironholds@wikipedia/Ironholds] has quit [] 17:01 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@98.sub-166-248-81.myvzw.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:04 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@cpc1-dudl6-0-0-cust1981.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 17:04 < {Soap}> hi snuffy 17:05 < Frood> i just cranked all four cores on this up to 3.3GHz 17:08 < Guerillero> why is packing for uni so hard 17:09 -!- Kiewii [~kiewii@wikipedia/Kiewii] has quit [Quit: good nicht] 17:09 < GorillaWarfare> Guerillero: I feel your pain... 17:12 -!- greenrosetta [~greenrose@unaffiliated/greenrosetta] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:12 < BarkingFish> Guerillero, suitcase probably isn't big enough. 17:12 < BarkingFish> try sitting on it 17:13 < Isarra> Why is packing so hard? 17:14 -!- aoke1989 [~Administr@wikipedia/Aoke1989] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@98.sub-166-248-81.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:15 < Guerillero> because it involves deciding "What do I need for the fall and winter?" 17:15 < Guerillero> This includes a season of rugby to plan for 17:18 < Isarra> Bandages? 17:19 < Guerillero> yes 17:19 < Pharos> steroids? 17:19 < Guerillero> no 17:20 < Pharos> good sport, old man! 17:20 -!- helderwiki [~helderwik@wikibooks/Helder-wiki] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:21 -!- tonynoname3 [~tonynonam@pool-96-236-10-186.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:22 -!- MC8|2 [~herpes@host109-152-32-173.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:23 -!- MC8 [~herpes@wikimedia/Microchip08] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23 < Pharos> i wonder if they have drug testing in chess 17:23 < Pharos> or poetry slam.... 17:24 -!- tonynoname2 [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-29-176.albyny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:24 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-29-176.albyny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:25 < {Soap}> lol 17:26 < Fluffernutter> I think this took a wrong turn on the way to Wikiversity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Food_expiration 17:26 < {Soap}> did google change its favicon? 17:26 < {Soap}> it's now suddenly a white "g" on a blue background 17:26 < Pharos> yes it did 17:27 < {Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Food_expiration&oldid=507610400 17:27 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-96-236-10-223.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:27 < Pharos> i think any turn that saved it from wikiversity was a lucky turn for it 17:27 < BarkingFish> Fluffernutter, are you sure? I could swear it encountered the crossroads to "trash can" and found the wrong exit blocked off :P 17:27 < Fluffernutter> heh 17:27 < Pharos> better to die at wikipedia than live on wikiversity... 17:27 < Pharos> it's more noble that way 17:27 < {Soap}> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_does_it_take_for_an_apple_left_out_to_rot was the source 17:28 -!- tonynoname3 [~tonynonam@pool-96-236-10-186.albyny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:28 < BarkingFish> This article has multiple issues: It is shite, and should be burned (August 2012 or as quickly as possible) 17:28 < Fluffernutter> well, i can't think of a CSD criterion to cram it under, so it lives for the moment 17:28 < BarkingFish> I'd AFD, Fluffernutter 17:28 < BarkingFish> it's crap, most likely going to be filled with OR 17:28 < Guerillero> redirect is a good option 17:29 < Guerillero> it causes no drama 17:29 < Pharos> anything other than a redirect is a waste of time imho 17:29 -!- tonynoname2 [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-10-143.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:29 -!- ceradon [~ceradon@wikimedia/Ceradon] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 17:30 < BarkingFish> ah, well it's a waste of time then - AFD'd :P 17:30 -!- euphoria is now known as ceradon-away 17:30 < BarkingFish> oh fuck 17:31 < BarkingFish> Database is buggered. Are we in lockdown or RO? 17:31 < mysterytrey> BarkingFish: Behave, please. 17:31 < BarkingFish> mysterytrey, no. I was behaving perfectly well, thank you 17:31 < Pharos> it's lockdown, the trolls are in the building! 17:31 < Guerillero> they never left 17:31 < Pharos> i think we're gonna lose Sector 4 17:31 < GorillaWarfare> Thought you ought to know... 17:31 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-96-236-10-223.albyny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:31 < mysterytrey> BarkingFish: Behave perfecter, please. 17:31 < BarkingFish> Adding discussion to today's list: Failed to save edit: Database query error 17:32 < BarkingFish> Adding deletion tag to article: Failed to save edit: Database query error 17:32 < Pharos> Initiate decontaminate of Sector 4! 17:32 < Pharos> *ion 17:32 < BarkingFish> that's from Twinkle - normally it's just issues with the API - first time I have seen this 17:32 < Jeske_Merensky> Shut down all the trash compactors on the detention level! 17:33 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:33 < BarkingFish> nvm 17:33 < BarkingFish> I found out what it was. 17:33 < BarkingFish> While I was tagging it, somebody kindly moved it 17:33 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-9-92.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:34 < BarkingFish> Can someone take the afd tags off of http://enwp.org/Shelf_life 17:34 -!- helderwiki [~helderwik@wikibooks/Helder-wiki] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 17:34 < Pharos> why can't you? 17:35 < BarkingFish> I nommed the dang thing :) 17:35 < Guerillero> {{done}} 17:35 < BarkingFish> "Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the Guide to deletion." 17:35 < Pharos> that makes you the ideal person to de-nom it! 17:35 -!- tonynoname2 [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-10-143.albyny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:36 < BarkingFish> let me clarify it for you, Pharos 17:36 < BarkingFish> "this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed." 17:36 -!- {Soap} is now known as behave_please 17:36 < BarkingFish> i put it there, afaik, I'm not supposed to take it off : 17:36 < Pharos> unless there was a huge discussion generated in the last 30 seconds, you have every right to remove it 17:36 < behave_please> IAR, BarkingFish 17:37 < behave_please> and yeah, I think that rule is made for the page creator 17:37 < Earwig> omg it's Pharos 17:37 < behave_please> e.g. if you AfD someone's hopeless vanity article, they cant just remove the AFD 17:37 < behave_please> but the person who started the AFD can remove it 17:38 < Pharos> omg it's my non-intern 17:38 < Earwig> eheh 17:38 < Earwig> yes, I'm in Stuy, and I'll be a junior in September 17:38 -!- Bendersgame [~chatzilla@wikipedia/LuciferTiger] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.13/2009073109]] 17:38 < BarkingFish> behave_please, i did not know I was able to take it off. 17:38 < Pharos> fill out the form and get me a cv 17:38 < Earwig> I know :/ 17:38 < Pharos> for the WMF more than for me ;) 17:39 < Guerillero> are you hiring pharos 17:39 * Earwig shifts in his chair nervously 17:39 < Earwig> okay, back to work 17:39 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|away 17:39 < Pharos> i am hiring unpaid inrerns! 17:39 < Pharos> would you care to apply? 17:40 < BarkingFish> Guerillero, can you nail this too please? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Food_expiration - it seems the afd did go through all the way. 17:40 < Frood> Pharos: is there a minimum age? :P 17:40 < Pharos> not really 17:40 < Guerillero> do they have to live in NYC 17:40 < Pharos> in most cases, yes 17:40 < Frood> will they pay for me to live in NYC? 17:40 < Pharos> but maybe we can work things out 17:40 < Pharos> no 17:41 < Frood> k 17:41 < Pharos> that one i;m fairly sure of ;) 17:41 -!- la_pianista is now known as pianista|ping 17:41 < Frood> i won't apply then 17:41 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:41 < Guerillero> I live in pittsburgh and go to school on the delmarva peninsula 17:42 < Guerillero> BarkingFish: what do you want to happen 17:42 < BarkingFish> closed, redirected to Shelf Life :) 17:43 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:43 < behave_please> m getting errors then 17:44 < BarkingFish> yeah, it should be Shelf life - not Shelf Life 17:44 -!- tonynoname2 [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-27-4.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:44 -!- matt_buck [~mattbuck@95.148.185.181] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:45 < Guerillero> done 17:45 < BarkingFish> thanks 17:45 < Guerillero> Pharos: I would consider it 17:45 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.186.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:45 < BarkingFish> right, i'm gonna pack up and go get some sleep :) 17:45 -!- matt_buck is now known as mattbuck 17:46 < BarkingFish> Night all. 17:46 -!- BarkingFish [~BarkingFi@wikimedia/BarkingFish] has quit [Quit: I used to be a werewolf, but I'm alright nooooOOOOOOOOWWWWWW! :)] 17:46 * kylu yawns. Tired. 17:46 < Pharos> we have to work out a good system for long-distance internship 17:46 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-9-92.albyny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:46 -!- YE|AFK is now known as YE 17:47 < Pharos> i have to get my head around that problem at some point 17:47 < kylu> you know, in some companies you "clock in" by signing in to an IM client. 17:47 < kylu> require a minimum number of hours signed-in and working 17:47 * kylu shrugs. 17:48 < Pharos> and how do you demonstrate you've actually done stuff? 17:48 < kylu> it depends on what the job is 17:48 < behave_please> i think it's mostly for the type of jobs that consist entirely of writing/coding etc 17:48 < behave_please> which cant really be faked 17:48 < kylu> as the comptroller says, "If it's important enough to be done, you can measure it." 17:49 < Noommos> Huggle doubling warning users is annoying :( looks bitey 17:49 < Noommos> double* 17:49 < Pharos> the problem is with something like wikimedia outreach, it's a lot of disparate stuff 17:50 < kylu> then the problem is a mixture of not setting realistic goals and failing to have valid metrics in place. 17:51 < Earwig> Pharos: the PDF and Google Doc forms are different; which do you want? 17:51 < Pharos> google doc i guess 17:51 < Earwig> mkay 17:55 < Guerillero> where is the google doc 17:56 -!- tonynoname2 [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-27-4.albyny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: tonynoname2] 17:56 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-27-4.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:56 < Pharos> it's the form for campus ambassadors, actually 17:56 < Pharos> i was thinking about recruiting earwig for both 17:56 < Earwig> :/ 17:57 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Quit: booting to Windows.] 17:57 < GorillaWarfare> Vietnamese has so many diacritics o.O 17:57 < Pharos> it's still a lot easier than when they used chinese characters! 17:58 < GorillaWarfare> Trying to transcribe the characters from shitty-quality scans is a challenge, though 18:01 < Guerillero> why are you trying non english documents 18:01 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@12.152.53.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:01 < kylu> GorillaWarfare: they're not really diacritical, just trying to diahelp. 18:03 * GorillaWarfare cringes 18:04 -!- mysterytrey [~3dos@wikimedia/Mysterytrey] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:05 < harej> GorillaWarfare: why does Mumbles record YouTube videos if no one can understand him? 18:05 < GorillaWarfare> ? 18:05 < harej> ...Never mind! 18:07 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 18:07 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:07 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@216.38.130.164] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:07 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@216.38.130.164] has quit [Changing host] 18:07 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:10 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:10 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:10 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:11 -!- lukas23 [~Lukas23@wikipedia/Lukas23] has quit [Quit: Ciao, au revoir, tschüss, bye,] 18:11 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:12 * IShadowed returns 18:12 -!- NTox [~NTox@wikipedia/NTox] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:12 * Frood returns 18:12 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:13 * Isarra enters. 18:14 < harej> Isarra is entered. 18:14 < Isarra> With a return! 18:15 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:15 -!- Luvbutrfly [~Luvbutrfl@pool-74-96-254-97.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:15 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:16 < Frood> my computer is unbearably slow. 18:16 < Frood> i need a better hard drive, this one is probably gonna fail soon... 18:16 < Jeske_Merensky> Frood) Look on Newegg 18:16 < Frood> Jeske_Merensky: I don't have a whole lot of money. 18:17 < harej> ask @ChuckGrassley what he uses 18:17 < Jeske_Merensky> Frood) Hence, look on Newegg for a new HD. 18:17 < Frood> harej: "Mozilla Google Chrome is my Yahoo email browser" 18:17 < Jeske_Merensky> I assume you already have an OS lined up 18:17 < harej> Frood: that has too many unabbreviated words. 18:17 < Frood> that was once said on one of Mozilla's mailing lists. 18:18 < Frood> or something very similar 18:18 < harej> Mozila Google Chrome is my Yho email brwsr. PresO how dare u shut dwn th IA state fair 18:18 -!- Ironholds [~Ironholds@wikipedia/Ironholds] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:19 < Peter-C> GorillaWarfare :3 18:19 * Peter-C puts his finger in GorillaWarfare’s ear 18:19 < GorillaWarfare> Oh god not again 18:19 < Peter-C> 3rd time today? 18:20 < Isarra> Peter-C: Is that supposed to endear you to her? 18:20 < GorillaWarfare> Yes... 18:20 < behave_please> dd someone type my name 18:20 < GorillaWarfare> My poor ear 18:20 -!- Jetro [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20 < Peter-C> GorillaWarfare - explain here for everyone to read :P 18:20 < Frood> ah 18:20 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20 < Frood> it's actually 18:20 -!- lexein [~chatzilla@wikipedia/lexein] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 18:20 < Frood> "Google Mozilla Firefox is my Yahoo email browser" 18:20 < GorillaWarfare> TL;DR customer at work stuck his finger in my ear twice 18:20 < Peter-C> BUT WHY 18:21 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:21 -!- Luvbutrfly [~Luvbutrfl@pool-74-96-254-97.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:21 < Isarra> O_o 18:21 < Guerillero> i aw that on the facebook 18:21 < GorillaWarfare> To be funny? Idk 18:21 < Guerillero> and I make this face O.o 18:21 < Guerillero> saw* 18:21 < GorillaWarfare> So did I... 18:21 < Isarra> You people are so connected. 18:21 < Frood> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/drTxIr8_zNU/c0T9Rc9JVKIJ 18:21 < Peter-C> But... was he like “I want some french fries *puts finger in your ear* with my cheeseburger?” 18:22 < GorillaWarfare> No, he was standing behind me as I was writing up his bill 18:22 < kylu> Isarra: Not all of us are. I refuse to use that "internet" thing. 18:22 < GorillaWarfare> If he'd come at me from the front, I'd at least have been able to dodge 18:22 < Isarra> kylu: Yay! 18:22 -!- Bradford [b5b67df3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.182.125.243] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:22 < kylu> Yay refusal or yay kylu? 18:23 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: out of context that sounds worse 18:23 < Pharos> wat? 18:23 < Peter-C> xD 18:23 < Bradford> Hola 18:23 < GorillaWarfare> Good point 18:23 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-27-4.albyny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: tonynoname] 18:23 < Frood> a customer put your finger in your ear? 18:23 < kylu> IH: m:bash ? 18:23 -!- pianista|ping [~katelante@wikipedia/La-Pianista] has quit [Quit: <3] 18:23 -!- Jetro [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:23 < GorillaWarfare> Frood: His finger, my ear 18:23 < Frood> er, that's what I mean 18:23 < Ironholds> kylu: I'd rather not 18:23 < Frood> t 18:24 < Pharos> that is highly illogical behavior 18:24 < Peter-C> At least he didn’t lick you 18:24 -!- quanticle|away is now known as quanticle 18:24 < Pharos> licking makes more sense, honestly 18:24 < Frood> GorillaWarfare: spit in his food next time you see him 18:24 < mareklug> he would have been arrested for licking... 18:25 -!- jsharpminor [~mirc@66.62.141.1] has quit [] 18:25 < GorillaWarfare> Frood: He was a nice enough dude 18:25 < GorillaWarfare> Just no boundaries and a weird-ass sense of humor 18:25 < Frood> oh. 18:25 < Peter-C> He put his finger in your ear. 18:25 < Frood> one time at target i was with my mother to pick up my prescription 18:25 < Peter-C> Sounds like someone a psyco would do 18:25 < Frood> and some guy says 18:25 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:26 < Frood> "Aren't you a little young for Viagra?" 18:26 < Ironholds> yo, quanticle 18:26 < quanticle> Yo 18:26 < quanticle> What's up? 18:27 < behave_please> Julian Assange is apparently hiding out in Ecuador 18:27 < mareklug> um, not quite Equador proper 18:28 < behave_please> he's not? 18:28 < mareklug> he's in London. last i read. 18:28 < behave_please> on 19 June Assange entered the Ecuadorian embassy in London and asserted he was being persecuted and requested political asylum. 18:28 < behave_please> hm 18:28 < mareklug> and today UK threatened to get him there 18:29 < behave_please> still, odd why he chose Ecuador 18:29 -!- Tanvir [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:29 < mareklug> the new President is sympathetic 18:30 < Isarra> behave_please: Are you the thing or addihockey? 18:30 < Isarra> I'm too lazy to look. 18:31 < behave_please> i wonder if it would be worth an all-out war against Ecuador just to get him back 18:31 < Earwig> Isarra: it's soap! 18:31 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@wikipedia/Anna-Frodesiak] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:32 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@wikipedia/Anna-Frodesiak] has left #wikipedia-en [] 18:32 * Isarra dies a little inside. 18:32 * Peter-C revives that part 18:32 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@187.113.161.28] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:32 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@187.113.161.28] has quit [Changing host] 18:32 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:35 < Bradford> Hi Isarra 18:35 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:35 < behave_please> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Correa 18:35 < behave_please> hmm 18:37 -!- lexein [~chatzilla@wikipedia/lexein] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:38 < behave_please> he shut down a TV station for showing the Simpsons during prime time 18:38 < mareklug> must be a Family Guy fan 18:40 < Isarra> Is Bradford soap too? 18:40 -!- NTox [~NTox@wikipedia/NTox] has quit [Quit: NTox] 18:41 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-22-9.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:41 < Bradford> Isarra: I do not understand what you mean 18:41 < mareklug> behave_please: "Also, in April 2010 he received the Prize for Exceptional Academic Achievement 2009 of the University of Illinois.[223]" <-- even US gives him prizes 18:42 < behave_please> that proves he's in cahoots with Obama :o 18:42 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:42 < Bsadowski1> ... 18:42 < behave_please> everything shady happens in chicago 18:42 -!- ragesoss [~sage@wikimedia/ragesoss] has left #wikipedia-en [] 18:42 < Isarra> Bradford: Nevermind to that, then. Hello. Can I help you with something? 18:42 < mareklug> i think it was UIUC, so downstate, not Chicago 18:43 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:43 -!- Noommos [~Josh@cpc1-heme9-2-0-cust297.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:44 < Bradford> Isarra: No thanks I need help :) 18:44 -!- LL2|Android [~LL2@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:51 -!- Jan_eissfeldt [~Jan_eissf@p54B92EFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52 -!- NTox [~NTox@wikipedia/NTox] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:52 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:53 < Isarra> Hey Ironholds... thank you for the coins. I have no idea what to do with this. 18:53 < Isarra> these 18:56 -!- Yulli [~Yulli@unaffiliated/yulli] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:57 < Ironholds> Isarra: coins? 18:57 < Ironholds> oh. did I give you britmoney? 19:00 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:00 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:00 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:01 -!- TheCavalry [~Chase@82.110.240.2] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:01 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: GorillaWarfare] 19:03 -!- matt_buck [~mattbuck@95.148.186.254] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:04 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:04 -!- mattbuck [~mattbuck@95.148.185.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:06 * ToAruShiroiNeko steals Ironholds's coins 19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wtf are these? they arent even round 19:06 -!- matt_buck is now known as mattbuck 19:06 < Apheori> Ironholds: No, you gave me american money. 19:07 < Apheori> You thought I'd have more use for it. 19:07 < Apheori> I didn't. It sat on my desk for a month. 19:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> america uses money? 19:08 < Apheori> Nope. 19:08 < Apheori> Hence the problem. 19:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> America is using gold medals they won as currency probably 19:08 < Ironholds> Apheori: ahh. 1 dollars that I didn't want to get rid of? 19:08 < Ironholds> you could go, uh. spend it? 19:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm 19:09 < Apheori> On what? 19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds you could have donated it 19:09 < Ironholds> food? new shoes? 19:09 < Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: to whom? 19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> donate it to the red cross 19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedia? 19:09 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 19:09 < Apheori> Well, I did spend $75 the other day on mountain dew... 19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> obama? 19:09 < Ironholds> I donated it to wikipedia 19:09 < Ironholds> well. a wikipedian. 19:09 < Apheori> Can you mail donations to wikimedia? 19:09 < Apheori> ...of quarters? 19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> as in cash? 19:09 < Apheori> A lot of quarters? 19:09 < Apheori> No, quarters. 19:10 < behave_please> why $75 on Mountain Dew? 19:10 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:10 < behave_please> Stocking up for the next year/ 19:10 < Apheori> behave_please: Yes. 19:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> behave_please have you not played fallout 3? 19:10 < behave_please> nope 19:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> bottle caps 19:10 -!- Yulli [~Yulli@unaffiliated/yulli] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> future currency 19:11 < Apheori> Hmm, there's also a ten dollar bill in here... 19:11 < Apheori> Something tells me this isn't all from Ironholds. 19:11 < Ironholds> Apheori: most likely not 19:12 -!- Tony_Sidaway [~Tony_Sida@wikipedia/Tony-Sidaway] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:13 -!- Frood_ [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:13 -!- Frood is now known as Guest78830 19:13 -!- Guest78830 [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Killed (wolfe.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 19:13 -!- Frood_ is now known as Frood 19:13 -!- Jetro [~Bruker@118.225.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 19:14 < Apheori> Okay, now I want to go to some fancy shop and buy something expensive entirely with coins just to see how many weird looks I get. 19:14 -!- Guerillero_ [~chatzilla@pool-71-126-38-107.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure 19:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> by a laptop entirely with pennies 19:15 < Ironholds> Apheori: shoes! shoes! 19:15 < Ironholds> you need some decent damn sandals 19:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Apheori you may need a chinook to bring in the cash 19:15 < Apheori> Shoes are too expensive for that. >.< 19:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> just get fur shoes 19:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they are mere 4 septims 19:16 < Apheori> I only have 2 septims. 19:16 < Apheori> Okay, how did I get from the teahouse to ANI? 19:16 < mareklug> Apheori: i think stores can refuse large ampunts of coins if not offered in rolls 19:17 < Apheori> Do I look like I can afford rolls?! 19:17 -!- NTox is now known as NTox|away 19:18 -!- TheCavalry [~Chase@82.110.240.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19 -!- Guerillero [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:20 -!- Guerillero_ [~chatzilla@pool-71-126-38-107.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:20 -!- graham1 [fee@unaffiliated/shockshock] has quit [] 19:26 -!- Bradford [b5b67df3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.182.125.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Apheori you can earn 2 more septims by making that little girl stop picking on the boy 19:35 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:35 -!- Frood_ [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:35 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Killed (zelazny.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 19:35 -!- Frood_ is now known as Frood 19:36 * lexein looks like he can afford rolls 19:36 -!- MC8|2 is now known as Chippy^ 19:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sweet rolls? 19:36 -!- Chippy^ [~herpes@host109-152-32-173.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:36 -!- Chippy^ [~herpes@wikimedia/Microchip08] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 * lexein looks like he has afforded too many rolls 19:37 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 * lexein is not picky about rolls 19:38 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:40 -!- Guerillero [~chatzilla@pool-71-126-38-107.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:40 -!- Guerillero [~chatzilla@pool-71-126-38-107.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:40 -!- Guerillero [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:46 -!- mys_721tx [~mys_721tx@wikipedia/mys-721tx] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:47 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 19:47 -!- Wizardman [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/wizardman] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:48 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:49 < Frood> i need some help 19:49 < Frood> where is that video of the guy singing "Yesterday" to make money for his daughter because she's terminally ill? 19:50 < Apheori> No idea what you're talkng about,. 19:50 -!- ChrisGualtieri [47eae49b@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:50 < ChrisGualtieri> Hiya 19:50 < Ironholds> augh, my BACK 19:50 < Ironholds> still sore from sunday :( 19:50 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 19:51 < ChrisGualtieri> Hi Ironholds 19:51 < Frood> It was on Reddit 19:51 < Apheori> My back is also sore, but not from doing anything fun. 19:51 < Frood> But I cannot find it. 19:51 * Apheori brandishes a knife tiredly. 19:51 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ros_Sereysothea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLaDRqfWHw8 19:51 * Elduen takes Apheori's knife and replaces it with a brick. 19:51 < Frood> aha found it. 19:51 < Frood> it was for his son 19:51 * Apheori hurls the brick at a random passerby. 19:51 < Frood> not daughter 19:52 < Ironholds> Apheori: be nice. 19:52 < Ironholds> hey ChrisGualtieri 19:52 < Frood> and it was "Let it Be". 19:52 < ChrisGualtieri> How's it going? 19:53 < Apheori> Ironholds: Grr. 19:53 * Ironholds hugs Apheori 19:53 < Apheori> Dammit, I'm covered in dirt. 19:53 * behave_please cleans you up 19:53 < Ironholds> ChrisGualtieri: it goes well! Multitasking between writing a blog post and reviewing pages and writing up a work proposal 19:53 < behave_please> oops 19:53 < Apheori> You don't want to do that. 19:54 * Ironholds turns a hose on Apheori 19:54 < Ironholds> done. 19:54 * Apheori huggles the soap. 19:54 < behave_please> Im not /nicked Soap 19:54 -!- behave_please is now known as {Soap} 19:54 < ChrisGualtieri> I'm fixing stuff on Wiki too. :) So I probably won't respond without my name being used... or at least slowly. lol 19:54 < {Soap}> thats the 2nd time today ive tried to make a /nick joke that didnt work 19:54 < Apheori> Ironholds: Care to clean up this pile of dirt, too? \ 19:54 < Apheori> I've been trying to do that all day. So far I've... made it larger. 19:54 < Ironholds> Apheori: I would have to travel lots of miles 19:54 < Ironholds> what's in it for me? 19:54 < Apheori> A hug. 19:55 < Apheori> ...covered in dirt. 19:55 < Ironholds> yeah, you give pretty good hugs; I'll deal. 19:55 < Frood> Apheori: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YAu-sGIpwQ&feature=player_embedded 19:55 < Apheori> Oh, yuck, there's dirt in my mountain dew, too. 19:55 < Elduen> Do you have a jar of dirt? 19:55 < Elduen> I hope you have a jar of dirty. 19:55 < Elduen> -y 19:56 -!- NTox|away [~NTox@wikipedia/NTox] has quit [Quit: NTox|away] 19:56 < Apheori> No, I just have a big pile on my floor. 19:56 < Elduen> Funny ruined by typo. Damn you, Internet. 19:56 < Elduen> Oh. 19:56 < Elduen> Put it in a jar. 19:56 < Elduen> Then you'll have a jar of dirt. 19:56 -!- Beria [~Beria@187.113.161.28] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:56 < Apheori> And I don't have a jar. 19:56 -!- Beria [~Beria@187.113.161.28] has quit [Changing host] 19:56 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:56 < Apheori> I have an urn, though. 19:56 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGWfSyCoKwI "Love this song!!! She is an awesome talented singer and no one can match her voice." 19:56 < Elduen> "Urn of dirt" isn't as funny as "jar of dirt". 19:57 < Apheori> Why is jar of dirt funny? 19:58 < Tony_Sidaway> It's a Pirates meme. 19:58 < Apheori> Oh. 19:58 < Apheori> What's that? 19:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Look it up on YouTube. 19:58 < Apheori> I need to deal with this dirt. 19:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Like "They're talking 19:58 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@64.229.181.127] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Taking the hobbits to Isengard." 19:59 < Apheori> Not familiar with that. 19:59 < Tony_Sidaway> But more irritating 19:59 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:00 < Elduen> Actually, I'd never seen, or heard of, the YT remixes of the "jar of dirt" thing until just now. 20:00 < Elduen> There's an awesome remix of Steve Ballmer's "Developers" thing though. 20:00 -!- Magog_the_Ogre [~Magog_the@wikipedia/Magog-the-Ogre] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:01 < Tony_Sidaway> I have a daughter who, inter alia, is a huge Johnny Depp fan. 20:01 -!- NTox|away [~NTox@71-10-64-80.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:04 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNCRU8JJV6Y "AMAZING!!! Perfect song for a Quentin Tarantino movie ;) " 20:04 -!- OlEnglish [OlEnglish@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:04 -!- OlEnglish [OlEnglish@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:04 -!- OlEnglish [OlEnglish@wikipedia/OlEnglish] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:06 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: zZzzZzzZzz!] 20:07 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-22-9.albyny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07 -!- tonynoname [~tonynonam@pool-108-44-22-9.albyny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:07 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:09 -!- LL2|Android [~LL2@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 20:09 -!- LL2|Android [~LL2@wikipedia/LikeLakers2] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:14 -!- quanticle is now known as quantic1e 20:14 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:14 -!- quantic1e is now known as quanticle 20:14 < Seddon> Ironholds: in the office? 20:14 < Seddon> or at the hotel? 20:16 < ChrisGualtieri> DRN is getting better I think 20:16 -!- RudyValencia- [me@unaffiliated/rudyvalencia] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:17 < Seddon> it is? thats good 20:17 -!- heb [~henrik@188.120.254.146] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:17 -!- heb [~henrik@188.120.254.146] has quit [Changing host] 20:17 -!- heb [~henrik@wikimedia/heb] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:18 < Seddon> next step, binding mediation 20:18 -!- RudyValencia [me@unaffiliated/rudyvalencia] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19 -!- AndrewN_ [~Andrew@adsl-108-207-167-81.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:19 -!- AndrewN_ [~Andrew@wikimedia/AndrewN] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:19 -!- hebx [~henrik@188.120.254.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:19 -!- AndrewN_ is now known as AndrewN 20:19 -!- Reedy_ [~quassel@109.224.134.228] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:19 -!- Reedy_ [~quassel@109.224.134.228] has quit [Changing host] 20:19 -!- Reedy_ [~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:20 -!- phuzion [~phuzion@208.43.144.61-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20 -!- phuzion [~phuzion@208.43.144.61-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:20 -!- Reedy [~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:22 -!- RogueMadman [~madman@wikimedia/madman] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:22 -!- Absolver_ [~Absolver@85-89-17.141.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:23 < ChrisGualtieri> No one wants me on binding mediation >.> 20:24 -!- quanticle is now known as quanticle|away 20:24 < ChrisGualtieri> I'd be issuing rulings left and right for 'avoid each other for 2 weeks' >.> 20:24 -!- Faelig [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:25 -!- _ [~asdesfs@i95004.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:25 -!- _ is now known as Guest19885 20:25 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:25 -!- sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:25 -!- sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:25 < ChrisGualtieri> Hi 20:27 -!- Seddon [~chatzilla@Wikimedia/Seddon] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:27 < Isarra> There is a hole in my finger. 20:28 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 20:29 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Sellyme, Kenneaal, Fae, XJR-9, albel727, MartijnH 20:29 < Isarra> It's full of dirt. 20:29 -!- Faelig is now known as Fae 20:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: XJR-9 20:29 < Pharos> wash it? 20:29 < Elduen> "I've got a finger of dirt! I've got a finger of dirt! And guess what's inside it!" 20:29 < Isarra> It hurts. o__o 20:30 < Isarra> Oh, actually, Pharos, that helped. 20:30 < Isarra> Thank you. 20:30 < Pharos> i'm full of ideas! 20:30 < Elduen> Hey Pharos, what can I do about this rash...? 20:31 -!- Venusaur [~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31 < Pharos> first, wash it! 20:31 < Pharos> then, consider aloe. 20:32 -!- Venusaur [~desu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:33 -!- Jeske_Merensky [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34 -!- Sellyme [~Sellyme@27-33-122-48.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:34 -!- albel727 [~albel727@unaffiliated/albel727] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:35 -!- YE is now known as YE|AFK 20:35 -!- quanticle|away is now known as quanticle 20:38 -!- fixerupper2 [~cerias@wan1.mennonitecc.ca] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:38 -!- Anurag2k12 [~Anurag2k1@64.229.181.127] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:38 -!- Shearonink [62a9f0a1@wikipedia/Shearonink] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:38 -!- fixerupper2 [~cerias@wan1.mennonitecc.ca] has left #wikipedia-en [] 20:38 * Ironholds sighs 20:38 < Ironholds> bored. 20:38 * Shearonink tired 20:39 < Isarra> Ironholds: Do you know php? 20:39 < Isarra> I gave up on my pile of dirt, and if you're bored, I could use help. 20:40 < Isarra> Especially if you're familiar with wikimedia's server configuration. 20:41 -!- Nascar1996 [~Nascar199@wikipedia/Nascar1996] has quit [Quit: zZzzZzzZzz!] 20:42 < Pharos> http://eyebeam.org/events/jean-claude-van-jam ! 20:44 < Pharos> this is wonderful 20:45 -!- Matthew_ [~Matthewrb@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:45 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Quit: !] 20:48 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:49 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:49 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-67-164-37-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:49 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-67-164-37-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:49 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:49 -!- slon02 [47e0b9c9@wikipedia/slon02] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:51 < Ironholds> Isarra: a tiny bit 20:51 < Ironholds> what do you need to know? 20:51 * Ironholds hugs Headbomb 20:51 < Ironholds> and also heatherw. oops. 20:51 < heatherw> OOPS 20:51 < Isarra> When you're including something, it just does the something and then goes back, right? 20:51 < Headbomb> teh double-whut? 20:51 < Headbomb> IH wants to hug me? 20:51 < Headbomb> are you ill? 20:52 * Isarra hugs Headbomb. 20:52 < Ironholds> Headbomb: no, I mis-tabbed 20:52 < Ironholds> Isarra: as in, include ('blah.php');? 20:52 < Headbomb> that would explain 20:52 < Ironholds> heatherw: how was pizza? 20:52 < Isarra> Ironholds: Yes. 20:52 < heatherw> it was okay 20:52 < heatherw> how is work? 20:52 < Ironholds> Isarra: it includes it and goes forward. I'm not sure if it goes back; why not test? 20:53 < Isarra> Can I, like, iterate through a list of things and include the same thing over and over? 20:53 < Jasper_Deng> hey, does someone besides me think that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shakgenii constitutes chronic linkspam? 20:53 < Ironholds> heatherw: it is good. I am alternating between finishing a strategy doc and writing a blog post. 20:53 < Ironholds> Isarra: in the same file? 20:53 < Isarra> Yes. O_o 20:53 < Ironholds> you can, but you don't need to. Are you trying to include variables from another file, or...? 20:53 < heatherw> i think sarah and i have decided to have a de-editathon 20:53 -!- u99of9 [~chatzilla@124-149-38-55.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:53 < Ironholds> because if so, the variable name transitions over 20:53 -!- Wizardman [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/wizardman] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 20:54 < Ironholds> so if you have $foo in blah.php, which you include in index.php, $foo will work happily in index.php 20:54 < Isarra> I want php to use the included file multiple times. 20:54 < Isarra> To, er... execute the stuff it has. 20:54 < Ironholds> ahh 20:54 < Ironholds> huh. 20:54 < Isarra> >.> 20:54 < Ironholds> hmn. I honestly don't know the answer to that, I'm afraid 20:54 < Ironholds> doing it will either work perfectly or cause a world of pain 20:54 < Isarra> Are you at least less bored now? 20:54 < Headbomb> i vote for the world of pain 20:55 < Headbomb> much more exciting 20:55 < Ironholds> Isarra: indeed! 20:55 < Ironholds> heatherw: like, a wikipedia-free period? 20:55 < heatherw> no like, deconstruct vanity articles 20:55 < Ironholds> ah. example? 20:55 < heatherw> and other not-so-good ones 20:59 -!- {Soap} [Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 20:59 -!- legoktm [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:00 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:00 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:02 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@wikimedia/Logan] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:07 -!- Russavia [7891bd91@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:08 -!- ChrisGualtieri [47eae49b@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:09 < Russavia> Bidgee or Beria you about? 21:09 < Beria> yes Russavia 21:09 < Russavia> Beria I am sending u a doc to.email 21:10 < Beria> ok 21:10 < Russavia> I am on iPad so can't copy paste... 21:10 < Frood> Russavia: your nickname is too capital :P 21:10 < Russavia> Could you please paste the text into an empty email and send back to me plis? 21:11 -!- NTox|away [~NTox@71-10-64-80.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: NTox|away] 21:11 -!- RogueMadman [~madman@wikimedia/madman] has quit [Quit: zZzZzZ.] 21:11 < Beria> yes 21:11 < Russavia> Sent 21:11 < Russavia> Beria I lug you lol 21:11 < Russavia> Lub 21:12 < Russavia> Damn auto correct 21:13 < Beria> done ;) 21:14 < Russavia> Thank you my darling 21:15 < Beria> no prob le m my love ;) 21:16 -!- NTox|away [~NTox@71-10-64-80.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:16 < Russavia> She loves me! *blush* 21:16 -!- Simon- [simon@proxima.lp0.eu] has quit [] 21:17 < Russavia> Is anyone here familiar with incubator and articles there? 21:17 -!- Courcelles [~chatzilla@ool-18b948d6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 21:19 < Russavia> I have an editor who offered to translate polandball into Ga language Which is gaa . . . Funnily enough it would be their first article in that incubator lol 21:20 < Russavia> That is a pisser I must say 21:21 -!- Guest66761 [yang@jazz.linuxshell.org] has quit [Changing host] 21:21 -!- Guest66761 [yang@freenode/sponsor/cacert.assurer.yang] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:22 -!- Guest66761 is now known as yang 21:24 < Jasper_Deng> !admin can someone please get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shakgenii blocked? 21:24 < Jasper_Deng> no AIV response 21:24 < Jasper_Deng> serial linkspammer 21:26 < Earwig> Jasper_Deng: ya got it 21:26 < Jasper_Deng> Earwig: thanks 21:29 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:30 -!- MartinYu [~quassel@116.224.16.218] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:31 -!- MartinYu [~quassel@116.224.16.218] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:34 * Isarra emits an aura of happiness and joy. 21:37 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 21:41 -!- MartinYu [~quassel@116.224.16.218] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:44 -!- Seddon [~chatzilla@cpc1-cdif6-0-0-cust25.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:46 -!- YE|AFK is now known as YE 21:46 * Peter-C replaces the joy with saddness 21:46 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip72-193-246-5.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 21:48 * Isarra overwhelms Peter-C with CHEER. 21:48 -!- Frood is now known as Froodsleep 21:48 * Peter-C dies 21:49 -!- Matthew_ [~Matthewrb@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Quit: Bed. Catch y'all later] 21:50 -!- slon02 [47e0b9c9@wikipedia/slon02] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:50 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-590db64b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:50 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@frnk-590db64b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:50 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:52 -!- u99of9 [~chatzilla@124-149-38-55.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53 -!- Spacewalker [~Spacewalk@firefox/community/Spacewalker] has quit [Client Quit] 21:53 -!- AndrewN is now known as AndrewN[AFK] 21:54 -!- tkazec [~msk@173.247.10.144] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 21:57 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:57 -!- MartinYu [~quassel@116.224.16.218] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5ad1e048.bb.sky.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:02 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5ad1e048.bb.sky.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:02 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:04 < harej> bass head! 22:08 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:08 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 22:08 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:09 -!- blur [~blurpeace@ool-44c79fcd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:09 -!- Mdann [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:10 -!- Russavia [7891bd91@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:10 -!- suicidalzerg [~ODORBLOCK@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:10 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10 < suicidalzerg> Aw horse testicles. 22:10 < suicidalzerg> Fuckin birds ate the peppers off my Jalapeno plants 22:11 < harej> :[ 22:12 < suicidalzerg> Too bad they're immune to Capsaicin too... 22:12 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:12 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 22:12 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:13 < suicidalzerg> SO they can keep coming back to them without giving a fuck 22:13 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:14 < lexein> I need a q answered. I have a newish editor at -en-help. 220.255.2.120 or 220.255.2.172 (dynamic IP) Jerry___ 22:14 < lexein> He got blocked trying to edit as an IP, then registered as [[User:Uuu100145j]] and asked on his reg. User page about the block. I checked those IPs and they are NOT blocked, so he must have landed on a blocked one in the pool. 22:14 < lexein> Shearonink tells me the IP address was "confirmed proxy server" 22:14 < lexein> [22:03] Shearonink recently reported forum spam source 22:14 < lexein> So my queastion is this: if he logs in registered, will WP/WMF filters still block his IP address if he occasionally lands on a blocked IP, and prevent him logging in as reg? 22:15 -!- Mdann [~androirc@host92-181-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:16 -!- Froodsleep [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:17 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:18 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:19 -!- Ironholds [~Ironholds@wikipedia/Ironholds] has quit [] 22:24 < Mdann52> How can that be?! 22:25 -!- IShadowed__ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:25 -!- IShadowed__ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-202-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:25 -!- IShadowed__ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:25 < Tasmania> I hear there is a Wikipedia Meetup in Tasmania? 22:25 < harej> I haven't heard. 22:26 < lexein> Mdann52 - which part? 22:26 < Mdann52> ? 22:27 < lexein> [22:24] Mdann52 How can that be?! 22:27 < Mdann52> Oh... 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ANI makes a nice test page. >.> 23:01 < Isarra> And I don't feel bad about abusing it. 23:02 < IDoH> Why, lexein? 23:02 < IDoH> Sorry for being dense, Isarra, but how do you test out javascripts on ANI? 23:02 < Isarra> I save the js and then I see if it's started working yet. >.> 23:02 * lexein (_Airplane_ (film)) reference 23:03 * Isarra never did entirely master js testing. 23:03 < Isarra> WAAAAAGH so many templates on that. o__o 23:03 < IDoH> Isarra: You do that by going to ANI 23:03 < IDoH> ? 23:04 < Isarra> The js is supposed to collapse the transclusion list. 23:04 < Isarra> ANI has 83 templates transcluded on it. >.< 23:04 < IDoH> No idea what you're talking about, but have fun doing it. 23:04 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:05 < Mdann52> I went mad with my userpage once and got 109 templates transcended onto it 23:05 < Isarra> No, wait, only 82. 23:05 < Isarra> Whoops. 23:06 < Isarra> Lessee if I can figure out how to add the transclusion count onto the thing itself... 23:07 < IDoH> What does "transclusion" mean? 23:07 -!- blur [~blurpeace@ool-44c79fcd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:07 < lexein> What doesn't it mean? 23:07 < Isarra> Page is included in another page - like a template. So {{infobox whatever}} transcludes that infobox... 23:08 < Mdann52> Where you put {{example}}, and it appears on the page 23:08 < IDoH> Oh, I see 23:08 < Isarra> It's a fancy word for what happens when you call a template. 23:08 < IDoH> Cool 23:08 < IDoH> How is that different from subst'ing? 23:09 < Isarra> It's... calling it without putting the wikitext on the page. 23:13 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@wikipedia/Anna-Frodesiak] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:14 -!- Anna_Frodesiak [Anna_Frode@wikipedia/Anna-Frodesiak] has left #wikipedia-en [] 23:15 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: clearing the exemptions file. /msg ow You have a 2 letter nick, and it's awesome] 23:16 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:17 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20 -!- Riley [acdac013@wikimedia/Riley-Huntley] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:21 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:21 -!- Earwig [~earwig@wikipedia/The-Earwig] has left #wikipedia-en [] 23:21 -!- liberaldudette [~mark@74.63.233.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23 -!- chicocvenancio [~chicocven@wikipedia/Chicocvenancio] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:24 < Isarra> Oh, wait, I was looking at AN instead of ANI for some reason. 23:24 < Isarra> Pity. 23:24 * Elduen puts a bucket on Isarra's head. 23:24 < Elduen> Have you noticed that I'm useless? 23:24 < Elduen> Since joining this channel I haven't contributed anything. 23:24 < Isarra> We need to find someone to adopt you. 23:24 < Isarra> Go make someone adopt you. 23:24 -!- chicocvenancio [~chicocven@wikipedia/Chicocvenancio] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:24 < Riley> We need to find someone to kill me 23:25 -!- liberaldudette [~mark@74.63.233.124] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:25 < Riley> Tip of the day: Never paste the new title when moving a page. 23:25 -!- Callanecc [kvirc@wikipedia/Callanecc] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:25 < Ironholds> Riley: accidental spaces or underscores? 23:26 < Isarra> Or perhaps something about namespaces? 23:26 -!- Keegan [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Keegan] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:26 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31 -!- IDoH [~I@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has left #wikipedia-en [] 23:31 < Elduen> Or simply accidentally failing to actually copy the new title, resulting in moving the article to <whatever was last on your clipboard>? 23:32 < Riley> That would suck so much.... 23:35 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Quit: I've just disappeared in a puff of smoke] 23:35 -!- kaen [~master@unaffiliated/hail] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:37 -!- Frostee [~frostyisa@115-64-72-36.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:40 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:44 * Isarra pokes ANI with a stick. 23:45 < harej> I AM CONFUSED BY THIS DOCUMENT 23:46 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:47 -!- legoktm [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:48 -!- rr0 [kvirc@wikipedia/ruslik0] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:50 -!- Shearonink [62a9f0a1@wikipedia/Shearonink] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:51 -!- Riley [acdac013@wikimedia/Riley-Huntley] has left #wikipedia-en [] 23:51 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:55 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:55 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:56 -!- Callanecc [kvirc@wikipedia/Callanecc] has left #wikipedia-en ["Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"] 23:59 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] --- Log closed Thu Aug 16 00:00:07 2012