User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-05-02
MyWikiBiz, Author Your Legacy — Wednesday December 25, 2024
Jump to navigationJump to search--- Log opened Thu May 02 00:00:03 2013 --- Day changed Thu May 02 2013 00:00 < IDoH> Maybe s/h/xe is conflicted. 00:00 < mareklug> IDoH so, is the 5 HHz radio stuff clear to you now? 00:00 < mareklug> GHz 00:00 < IDoH> Kind of. 00:00 < mareklug> what remains unclear? 00:01 -!- russavia__ [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:01 < IDoH> Not sure. Just taking it in. 00:02 < TOS> Hello guys 00:02 < IDoH> Hey TOS 00:02 < TOS> Whats up? 00:03 < IDoH> Nothing much. Yourself? 00:03 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:04 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|iPad 00:04 < TOS> Me neither. Just creating some fun and eeriely distracting templates 00:04 < mareklug> TOS how is the girl search going on in metro Calcutta? 00:04 < TOS> mareklug: Who said I was searching for any girls? 00:04 < mareklug> you were here. 00:05 < mareklug> IDoH anyway, addihockey10 shits on Apple, but if someone gave him this toy http://store.apple.com/us/product/G0MS0LL/A/refurbished-imac-32ghz-quad-core-intel-core-i5 he would shit with happiness. 00:06 < IDoH> really? doubt it 00:06 < TOS> mareklug: But yeah. The search is still on 00:06 < mareklug> oh yeah. it is an excellent Windows machine, natively, in dual boot 00:07 < addihockey10> Quad core? 00:07 < addihockey10> Meh. 00:07 < addihockey10> How much? 00:08 < IDoH> Heh 00:09 < mareklug> quad core at 3.2 i5 that is optimized to screem with the best screen available at 27" all in a thin good looking package of aluminum and glass, not the shit box you are going to put together. click on the link to se how much. actually a nice price 00:09 < Bradford> Hi 00:09 < Bradford> Good morning 00:09 < Bradford> :D 00:10 < addihockey10> Mareklug I'm not using data 00:10 < TOS> Bon jour Bradford! 00:10 < mareklug> what does that mean addihockey10 ? 00:10 < Bradford> O_O 00:10 < mareklug> your great telephone and your subscription can't handle a URL with information? 00:10 < mareklug> you know, an Iphone or even an ipod touch can 00:10 < addihockey10> Loading the page will use a lot more data than you telling me. 00:11 < addihockey10> Lol what? 00:11 < mareklug> there is a lot of information on that page\ 00:11 < mareklug> technical 00:11 < addihockey10> Canadian carriers suck 00:12 < mareklug> basically you are too poor to even have a conversation that involves looking up a URL and you diss Apple? 00:12 < addihockey10> What the hell are you on about? 00:12 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:13 < mareklug> addihockey10 http://store.apple.com/us/product/G0MS0LL/A/refurbished-imac-32ghz-quad-core-intel-core-i5 <-- I want you to see this, price and tech specs, including weight and video. 00:14 < addihockey10> I can't right now.. 00:14 < mareklug> there you go. an iPhone could. 00:14 < addihockey10> Send it in PM to haggis. 00:14 < zscout370> that is about 1/5 of my student loans to pay for that monitor 00:14 < addihockey10> Fuck yourself. An iPhone doesn't change my data plan. 00:15 -!- quanticl1 [~quanticle@quanticle.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:15 < mareklug> done 00:15 < mareklug> i mean, sent in PM. I am not going to masturbate on your command. 00:15 -!- zz_YuviPanda [~YuviPanda@mediawiki/yuvipanda] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:15 -!- quanticle [~quanticle@wikipedia/Quanticle] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:15 -!- sucheta [~sucheta@yuvipanda.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:15 -!- TheChance_ [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:16 -!- sucheta [~sucheta@yuvipanda.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:16 -!- zz_YuviPanda [~YuviPanda@yuvipanda.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:16 -!- zz_YuviPanda is now known as YuviPanda 00:16 < addihockey10> I have money because I don't spend on stuff I don't need. I don't need a 500gb plan. 00:18 < mareklug> addihockey10 I am going to spend on cell phone stuff about 50 dollars for the year starting 5/30 and ending on 5/30 in 2014. so…. you can't touch that. 00:19 < addihockey10> Ok, your point? 00:19 < addihockey10> What does your plan include. 00:19 < mareklug> that the machine I pointed to you is a reasonable machine for you. 00:19 < addihockey10> Maybe. 00:19 < mareklug> it includes talk. 00:19 < addihockey10> How much 00:20 < Bradford> Moe_Epsilon: :-* 00:20 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20 -!- Johnlong [~johnlong@2a02:8109:8500:5e:129a:ddff:febc:4d40] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:20 < mareklug> and it will change your mindset, plus you can continue to run windows both in dualboot and in virtual machine inside MacOS X. Btw, that machine is about 4 times faster than mine, at least. 00:20 < addihockey10> 10 minutes à year? 00:20 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:20 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 00:20 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:21 < mareklug> addihockey10 I have now 1500 minutes that I will transfer for free to the thing I am getting that comes with 600 minutes and a year's worth of activation. I cannot possibly use up all that time, and I still have another phone with 1400 minutes on it. 00:22 < addihockey10> So no text or emails 00:22 < mareklug> that's (both) 2.43056 days of being on the phone nonstop, google calculator tells me. :) 00:22 < mareklug> days as in 24 hour jobbers 00:23 < mareklug> text and sms 00:23 < mareklug> and i can send email out, never tired to get any 00:23 < addihockey10> Text and small? 00:23 < addihockey10> SMS * 00:23 < mareklug> yes 00:23 < addihockey10> They're the same thing afaik 00:24 < mareklug> you have Tracfone in canada? 00:24 < mareklug> voice calls and sms then 00:24 < addihockey10> Don't know. 00:27 < kelapstick> no tracfone in canada 00:27 < mareklug> no, you appear not to. but you might have other prepaid alternatives. anyway, throwing money at phone data plans in North America is a rich fool's game 00:28 < kelapstick> you can get prepaid Telus, Bell, Rogers, and some others 00:28 < mareklug> this might be of help: http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php/326-Canadian-Prepaid-MVNO-Discussion 00:28 < mareklug> probably not as good a deal as Tracfone, but still 00:29 < mareklug> of course, Tracfone's customer service is from another planet. It's called Bangalore. 00:29 < kelapstick> no, tracfone is great, I used to have one when I lived in the US 00:30 < kelapstick> even prepaid isn't all that cheap in canada though, depends what you want though, I get data with mine, but I only use it four months of the year 00:31 -!- petan [~pidgeon@wikimedia/Petrb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32 -!- zscout370 [~zscout370@wikipedia/Zscout370] has quit [Quit: Love & Respect] 00:39 < legoktm> this weeks signpost doesnt have a tech report? 00:42 -!- spyro [~shentino@gentoo/contributor/shentino] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43 -!- Johnlong [~johnlong@2a02:8109:8500:5e:129a:ddff:febc:4d40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44 -!- gothicQOS [~hackerUCA@dslb-092-076-255-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:44 -!- Titoxd_ [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:45 -!- gothicQOS [~hackerUCA@dslb-092-076-255-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:45 -!- spyro [~shentino@gentoo/contributor/shentino] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:46 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@70-59-199-211.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:46 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@70-59-199-211.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:46 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:48 < addihockey10> Legoktm we couldn't afford one 00:48 < legoktm> oh well, i complained :P 00:50 -!- Nietzsche [VegaDark@wikia/vstf/countervandalism.user.VegaDark] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:51 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-210-224.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:53 -!- martijnhh [~MartijnH@92.64.31.85] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:53 -!- martijnhh [~MartijnH@92.64.31.85] has quit [Changing host] 00:53 -!- martijnhh [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:57 -!- Nietzsche [VegaDark@wikia/vstf/countervandalism.user.VegaDark] has joined #wikipedia-en 00:57 -!- quanticl1 is now known as quanticle 00:57 -!- quanticle [~quanticle@quanticle.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Changing host] 00:57 -!- quanticle [~quanticle@wikipedia/Quanticle] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:01 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.43.183] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:04 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@209.243.43.183] has quit [Changing host] 01:04 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:04 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Client Quit] 01:04 < Isarra> Guys. 01:04 < Isarra> Eigenstuff. 01:05 < Isarra> STUFF. 01:05 * Isarra collapses on the channel. 01:05 < legoktm> Writing this tech report is harder than I thought. 01:07 -!- russavia_ [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:08 < Isarra> Doing things in general is harder than I thought. 01:09 < SuicidalZerg> I think my alarm clock is fuckin haunted or someshit 01:10 < SuicidalZerg> I set it for 11 AM... 01:10 -!- Fae [~Fae@wikipedia/Fae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10 < SuicidalZerg> ...and it just went off at 2:07 AM for no apparent reason 01:10 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:10 < Isarra> It loves you. 01:10 -!- petan [~pidgeon@wikimedia/Petrb] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:10 < Isarra> It's trying to express it the only way it knows. 01:10 < Bradford> Isarra: :-* 01:10 < Bradford> IDoH: Emmmuachhh 01:11 < IDoH> What? 01:11 < Isarra> What? 01:11 < SuicidalZerg> What? 01:11 < Bradford> What? 01:11 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:11 < IDoH> What does Emmmauchhh means? 01:11 < Bradford> xD 01:13 -!- russavia_ [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13 < Isarra> Why did you ping us? 01:14 -!- russavia_ [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:14 < Bradford> Hey russavia_ :) 01:19 -!- ishitva [~chatzilla@1.22.34.68] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:26 < mareklug> Bradford pendejo, decime: ¿Por qué las reinas de belleza venezolanas siempre tienen tetas falsas y otras cirugías? 01:32 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:32 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:33 -!- ishitva [~chatzilla@1.22.34.68] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130329030832]] 01:34 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:40 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@pool-173-66-20-178.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40 -!- Vito_ [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:40 -!- Vito [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:41 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has quit [Quit: I'm the greatest pirate-hunter in the world! AUYYEAHHH] 01:41 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Quit: bye :D] 01:42 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 01:45 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:46 < mareklug> my best download result yet, 57.61 Mbps with 9 ping! http://www.speedtest.net/result/2682774323.png 01:48 < IShadowed> mareklug, die 01:49 < mareklug> well, it is Comcast, and I am paying only 29.99 a month for the next 6 months, so it is reason to celebrate 01:54 -!- Warhound [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:54 -!- Warhound [~chatzilla@46-64-89-33.zone15.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 01:54 -!- Warhound [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:57 -!- tttb [~tom@host-89-242-48-32.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:57 -!- tttb [~tom@host-89-242-48-32.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01 -!- moogsi [~moogsi@wikimedia/moogsi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:03 < SigmaWP> night 02:04 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Quit: You cannot logic someone out of an opinion they did not logic themselves into] 02:07 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:10 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:10 -!- moogsi [~moogsi@188-223-175-63.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:10 -!- moogsi [~moogsi@188-223-175-63.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 02:10 -!- moogsi [~moogsi@wikimedia/moogsi] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:11 -!- TBloemink is now known as TB|Rijles 02:13 -!- Gallego is now known as DJMalik 02:14 -!- DJMalik is now known as Gallego 02:17 -!- kelapstick [ca83e93b@wikipedia/Kelapstick] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:23 -!- Jasper_Deng_busy is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 02:28 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:33 -!- D_ [~D@pool-72-89-172-18.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:39 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:40 -!- russavia_ is now known as russavia 02:41 -!- tttb [~tom@host-89-242-48-32.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:58 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:59 -!- Titoxd_ [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:11 < Peter-C> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/935768_10152818254095515_510784919_n.jpg 03:11 < Peter-C> 'Merica 03:12 < mareklug> MJ94 is gettin 12 inches of snow 03:12 < mareklug> he he he 03:13 < mareklug> on May the 2nd. Imagine that. 03:13 < mareklug> 83 degrees in San Francisco. That's tropical for them. 03:14 < Peter-C> O-o 03:16 -!- FastLizard4|iPad is now known as FastLizard 03:17 < mareklug> snow in Kansas City, 88 in LA and wild forest fires in the hills, 12" of snow in Duluth, 67 degrees in Chicago, 83 in San Francisco, 50 in Dallas. 03:17 < mareklug> crazy 03:17 < Peter-C> It's going to 76 today 03:17 < Peter-C> I hate this 03:17 < Peter-C> :( 03:17 < mareklug> 76 in nyc sound ideal 03:18 < Peter-C> Ew 03:18 < Peter-C> 60 is my temperature 03:18 < Peter-C> Little cold, but not too bad 03:18 < mareklug> dallas for you 03:18 < Peter-C> :D 03:18 < Peter-C> I ahve a problem 03:19 < Peter-C> This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=O9Y1sEmyymw#t=30s 03:19 < Peter-C> I was blasting this song on the way to a call 03:19 < Peter-C> Fist pumping and all 03:19 < TOS> Any admins here? 03:20 < mareklug> TOS are you trying to date admins now? 03:20 < TOS> mareklug: No. that will be too risky if I left her 03:20 < TOS> This is about a deleted page I want userfied 03:21 < mareklug> she might cut off your wikipipi 03:21 < TOS> So any admins here? 03:21 < Ushau97> !admin TOS: Any admins here? 03:21 < Ushau97> is there a command to ping admins 03:22 < legoktm> ….. 03:22 < legoktm> you just did 03:22 < legoktm> but thats for urgent requests. 03:22 < Ushau97> oh I was testing 03:23 < TOS> Any admins here? 03:23 * addshore slaps Ushau97 03:23 < addshore> TOS potentially :P 03:23 < TOS> Ah 03:23 * Ushau97 slaps TOS 03:24 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Quit: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you] 03:24 < TOS> Could you userfy [[NNG (company)]]? 03:24 < TOS> Its a deleted article, and the author wants to work on it 03:24 * TOS says Ow! 03:25 * Ushau97 is sorry 03:25 < addshore> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Addshore/sandbox&oldid=553177544 03:25 < mareklug> Peter-C that was ok 03:25 < Peter-C> the song? 03:25 < mareklug> yeah 03:25 < Peter-C> It is a good song 03:26 < TOS> User:Patrik Putz NNG/sandbox will be a good place to put it 03:26 < Peter-C> But I look like a douche when I open up all the windows and blast that song on to a call while fist pumpinh 03:26 < Peter-C> I look like I am part of the cast of the Jersey Shore 03:27 < mareklug> Peter-C not as good as this song, though, not to mention the song-singing talent, erm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bF6QipA3iQ 03:27 < TOS> addshore: Got it. Thanks 03:30 < addshore> np :) 03:35 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:36 -!- Sadeukko [~AnXa@84-253-230-1.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:37 -!- Ushau97 is now known as Ushau97|away 03:38 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:42 < mareklug> Peter-C this is also neat. First single by Annie (Norwegian singer) in 4 years, out a few days ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vW4pTe0yRAc 03:43 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:44 < Peter-C> good stuff 03:44 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:51 -!- SudoGhost [~SudoGhost@wikipedia/SudoGhost] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@pool-72-77-97-194.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:52 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@pool-72-77-97-194.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:52 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@unaffiliated/skater-2015/x-9635647] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:52 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Heligoland] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:53 -!- russavia_ [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:53 -!- martijnhh [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:53 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:54 -!- russavia_ is now known as russavia 03:54 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 03:54 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:59 -!- Ushau97|away is now known as Ushau97 04:06 -!- TB|Rijles is now known as TBloemink 04:16 < mareklug> Peter-C some more pulsating Scandinavians for ya. (this is from an upcoming album to be released 21 May) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oG6qtjvjrdI#! Club 8 - "Stop Taking My Time" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club%208 04:28 -!- ExtinguishedFire [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:28 -!- lukas|away is now known as lukas23 04:31 -!- russavia_ [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:32 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:34 -!- russavia_ is now known as russavia 04:38 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:39 -!- FastLizard is now known as FastLizard4|zZzZ 04:50 -!- ScottSteiner [ScottStein@wikipedia/ScottSteiner] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:50 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-210-224.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:56 -!- francoisvn [~frank@146.232.77.178] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:56 -!- sdamashek [~Vacation9@pool-173-73-80-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:56 -!- sdamashek [~Vacation9@pool-173-73-80-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:56 -!- sdamashek [~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:57 -!- francoisvn [~frank@146.232.77.178] has left #wikipedia-en [] 05:00 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:03 -!- Captain-n00dle [~Cptn-n00d@wikipedia/Captain-n00dle] has quit [Quit: Cheerio!] 05:07 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:09 -!- martijnhh [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:11 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:11 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:20 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:20 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:20 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 05:20 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:21 < mareklug> http://www.firstnews.co.uk/news/officials-release-banned-baby-name-list-i9389 "OFFICIALS in New Zealand have published a list of baby names they have rejected for being too weird." 05:22 < mareklug> Moon UNit could never have been born in the fascist republic of New Zealand 05:23 < mareklug> russavia "President Vladimir Putin awarded Valery Gergiev, director of the Mariinsky Theatre in St. Petersburg, a Hero of Labor award, a Soviet-era distinction restored by the Russian leader this year." 05:28 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:29 < moogsi> "Another banned baby name type is the one which simply indicates which position the child finds his or herself in the family order. '2nd', '3rd' and '5th' were all rejected!" 05:30 < moogsi> i bet that was one family just trying it over again :) 05:31 < moogsi> it's not actually an uncommon practice to name children 1st, 2nd, etc 05:31 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:31 < moogsi> ancient rome and japan spring to mind 05:31 -!- newhack [~didigodot@ip98-169-96-210.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:33 < moogsi> it's not as bad as iceland... it has an approved list of names 05:33 -!- newhack [~didigodot@ip98-169-96-210.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:34 < moogsi> one stipulation being that the name has to be declinable in Icelandic 05:35 < mareklug> moogsi what about Emilíana Torrini? she is Icelandic, albeit daughter of an Italian father. 05:35 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:35 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:35 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil%C3%ADana_Torrini 05:35 < moogsi> people born to Icelandic parents, there are exceptions for foreigners 05:36 < mareklug> "Because of name regulations in Iceland at the time, her father Salvatore Torrini had to change his name to "Davíð Eiríksson", which also implied that Emilíana Torrini had to use the surname after her father in the traditional way; "Emilíana Torrini Davíðsdóttir". A few years later, the name regulations were changed,[1] and she was again allowed to use her original surname.[2][3]" 05:36 < mareklug> looks like name regulations are poof, too. 05:37 < moogsi> ah 05:37 < moogsi> good 05:38 < mareklug> well, it is still a bit strict http://eng.innanrikisraduneyti.is/information/nr/125 05:39 < moogsi> there was that couple in New Jersey who named their children "JoyceLynn Aryan Nation" and "Adolf Hitler" 05:39 < moogsi> Adolf Hitler Campbell 05:41 < moogsi> "The Campbells, who have denied they are neo-Nazis, made headlines in January 2009 when a supermarket refused to decorate a birthday cake for their son Adolf Hitler" 05:41 < mareklug> that is still a small venial sin as compared to the mother who bought that 5yearold in kentucky a real gun marketed for kids as "My First Rifle", complete with a pink-colored stock. 05:42 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:42 < mareklug> he is minus his kid baby sister now. 05:43 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:44 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:46 < moogsi> mareklug: interesting link about Iceland... it seems it is still a bit odd http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Naming_Committee 05:47 -!- Swob [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:49 < mareklug> INdeed, Laxness did use Blær in "Independent People", I think. I might be misremembering 05:50 < moogsi> weirdly relevant that Laxness changed his name from Guðjónsson 05:50 < moogsi> before it became forbidden in 1925 05:51 < mareklug> well, it always was a pseudonym. 05:51 < moogsi> ah so it mightn't have been a legal change of name 05:53 < moogsi> i think Icelandic is a pretty language... would like to know more about it but it's not really a useful thing to know 05:53 < mareklug> no, I misremembered fair enough: it is The Fish Can Sing, original title Brekkukotsannáll 05:53 < mareklug> http://laxnessintranslation.blogspot.com/2010/08/fish-can-sing.html 05:54 < Swob> icelandic is a mouthful 05:55 < mareklug> the original title does not match the English phrase used. I think it is a place name. 05:55 < moogsi> "laxness in translation" just sounds like someone couldn't be bothered to translate it properly :P 05:55 < Swob> "Brekkukot Identification eel" 05:55 < mareklug> or somethign along the lines the tale of brekkutot 05:55 -!- didigodot [~didigodot@ip98-169-96-210.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:56 < Swob> i added a space before áll and google translate gave me that 05:56 < Swob> Brekkukot might be a place name 05:56 -!- TOS [75c255a5@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:56 -!- didigodot [~didigodot@ip98-169-96-210.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:56 < Swob> Brekku = slope, apparently (maybe bridge?) 05:56 < mareklug> actually, the English translations read for the most part very well. Magnus Magnusson did a number of the important ones and he is a prof at Glasgow, or was. not sure he is still alive 05:57 < moogsi> nope 05:57 < Swob> barkingfish would know 05:57 < moogsi> he was quite famous as a broadcaster in the UK 05:57 -!- newhack [~didigodot@ip98-169-96-210.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:57 < mareklug> wiki knows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Magnusson 05:57 < mareklug> died in 20007 05:58 < mareklug> 2007 05:59 -!- ExtinguishedFire [~chatzilla@i161223.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [SeaMonkey 2.17.1/20130410205058]] 05:59 -!- ragesoss [~quassel@wikimedia/ragesoss] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00 < Swob> járn brú = iron bridge 06:00 < mareklug> swob brekkukot IS a place name. it is featured in the book 06:00 < Swob> ok 06:01 < mareklug> "As we read The Fish Can Sing, we ponder, along with Álfgrímur, what the Superintendent does for a living, the nature of the strange people who come to stay in the mid-loft at Brekkukot, whether we will ever hear Garðar Hólm sing, what will become of Little Miss Gúðmúnsen as well as the lovely Blær, the appeal of lumpfish, and whether the learning of Latin will benefit Álfgrímur. These questions, and so many more, flavor the book with 06:01 < mareklug> subtle confusion akin to being a very young man or young woman all over again." 06:01 -!- ragesoss [~quassel@wikimedia/ragesoss] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:02 < mareklug> it's not fair that the 2010s Blaer was not recognized as a oficial girl, when Halldor Laness invented her from whole cloth in 1957 when he already had a Nobel. 06:02 < moogsi> i think i'd cope quite well with learning a heavily-inflected language... i did Attic Greek for 3 years and that's very much a "36 words for /the/" kind of language 06:03 < mareklug> Laxness * 06:04 < mareklug> I think the Icelandic committee should have recgnized that it was dealing with established canon of Icelandic culture, albeit contemporary/modern. 06:04 -!- Izsleepz is now known as Izhidez 06:04 < a930913> Has anybody made a tool that for a given sentence/paragraph, finds a book (that is not available online) that looks related to the text, and makes a citation out of it? It would make for a CV's worst nightmare :p 06:05 -!- Vito_ is now known as Vito 06:05 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-210-224.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:06 -!- peachey|laptop__ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:06 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:07 < mareklug> "On 31 January 2013, the Reykjavík district court ruled in the family's favour and overruled the naming committee, finding that Blær could in fact be both a man's and a woman's name and that Blær had a constitutional right to her own name, and rejecting government claims that it was necessary to deny her request in order to protect the Icelandic language.[11] " 06:07 < Swob> hehe 06:07 < Swob> "the naming committee" 06:07 < mareklug> "After the court's decision, Iceland's interior minister confirmed that the government would accept the ruling and would not appeal the case to the country's Supreme Court.[12][13] The chair of the naming committee, as well as a spokesman for the Ministry of the Interior, said the ruling in Blær's case could prompt the government to revisit the current laws on personal names.[2]" 06:07 < Swob> thats one of the quaint things about European countries 06:08 < mareklug> the chair of the naming committee should have committed ritual sepuku with a whale bone, or however it is done in the sagas 06:08 < moogsi> that's one of the quaint things about people outside Europe 06:08 < moogsi> homogenizing it into one mass 06:09 < moogsi> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/blær it does of course grammatically agree with Icelandic.. baby steps, naming committee 06:09 < moogsi> baby steps 06:10 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:10 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:10 < tttb> i ran before i walked 06:10 -!- YE is now known as YE|AFK 06:12 -!- tttb [~tom@host-89-242-48-32.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:13 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14 < mareklug> heh. http://sagadb.org Welcome to the Icelandic Saga Database <-- try searching for: suicide 06:15 < moogsi> no results. interesting ads from Google 06:15 < Swob> no hits 06:15 < mareklug> obviously incomplete db for English anyway 06:15 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:16 < mareklug> let's try then sjálfsvíg 06:17 < mareklug> no results!!!! 06:17 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:18 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has left #wikipedia-en [] 06:18 < moogsi> hmm 06:18 < moogsi> seems like no-one ever killed themselves in a saga then 06:18 < Swob> must be 06:19 < Swob> i think suicide was invented in the 1960s 06:19 < moogsi> :) 06:20 < mareklug> wrong. http://books.google.com/books?id=0j0l7rQaf68C&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=suicide#v=onepage&q=suicide&f=false 06:20 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:21 < Swob> cmon man, do you really expect us to believe that. it even says "false" at the end of the URL 06:21 < mareklug> it says f=false 06:21 < mareklug> no clue what the fuck that means 06:21 < mareklug> meaybe it means fuck 06:21 -!- philhug [~philhug@vl4.nuke.abacus.ch] has left #wikipedia-en [] 06:22 < mareklug> anyway, i found you at least one paraphrase of a saga featuring suicide. maybe in the actual text it takes a sentence. 06:23 < mareklug> http://books.google.com/books?id=0j0l7rQaf68C&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=suicide this works too 06:24 < mareklug> but it creates the other params 06:24 < mareklug> maybe it means flow 06:24 < Swob> ♥♥♥♥♥ 06:28 < mareklug> Swob you know how many Marina and the Diamonds cheeks it took to harvest all those black hearts? 06:29 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKNcuTWzTVw 06:31 < Swob> Greek + Welsh is a good blend 06:31 < mareklug> it's a nutt, intoxicating blend. this woman is... 06:31 < mareklug> nutty * 06:34 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:34 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:35 -!- heb [~henrik@wikimedia/heb] has quit [Quit: bøller] 06:40 -!- IH|away is now known as Ironholds 06:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> greek and welsh? 06:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why not mix chinese and welsh? with greek on top 06:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> one hell of a salad 06:44 < mareklug> there are some really pretty Chilean-Swedes 06:44 < mareklug> and Polish-Vietnamese 06:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we werent talking about salads? 06:45 < mareklug> the salad days of multicultural world 06:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its all human culture 06:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd call it mono-culture 06:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :p 06:45 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_days <-- my continuing education of you re: English idioms 06:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am aware of english idioms, I just take them literally for comical effect 06:46 < Swob> never heard that before 06:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why do you think I mentioned salads? 06:46 < mareklug> I don't trust you. You are the only person I know who confused Iowa with Ohio, to the tune of even claiming that you were at the airport in Iowa, which could only mean a diverted flight to Des Moines, which just never happens. 06:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so I am supposed to know all 50 states? 06:47 < mareklug> considering that you WERE PHYSICALLY in Michigan. I would say, yes. 06:47 -!- koishi_ [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why would I need to know the states surrounding it? 06:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> provided I never visited any one of them 06:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> aside from a brief hop on a plane where I spent like 10-20 minutes on the state below michigan 06:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I didnt exactly have time to even check where I was, only thing I was looking for was for a gate 06:49 < mareklug> Port Columbus International Airport. a place I know well. 06:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure, I dont. 06:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its useless info to me 06:50 < Swob> its forgivable to confuse Ohjio and Iowa 06:50 < Swob> its just like how Americans confuse Belgium and Bulgaria 06:51 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:51 < Swob> similar name, neither one very famous, easy to confuse 06:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob or Czech republic and chechnia 06:51 < mareklug> no way. Bulgaria features food. Belgium features Belgian humor known as Belgian cooking. 06:51 < Swob> bulgaria is just another faceless country that wishes it was Greece 06:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> noone wishes to be greece 06:52 < mareklug> Swob some of the prettiest Slavic girls are from Bulgaria. 06:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Belgium used to be a part of the netherlands before the rebelion 06:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they have local culture like all dutch dishes 06:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Belgium was rather busy and didnt exactly have time to come up with newer dishes in the past 130 years 06:53 < Swob> not enough blondes 06:54 < Swob> goota go north of the Alps 06:54 < mareklug> Swob they tend to be dark haired olive-skinned beauties with high cheek bones and rounded faces 06:55 < Swob> yeah 06:55 < Swob> like Asians 06:55 < Swob> but taller 06:56 < mareklug> https://www.facebook.com/BulgarianGirlsAreMostBeautifulInTheWorld 06:56 < mareklug> of course, you can probably find a facebook page under that title substituting X for Bulgarian some 210 different ways 06:57 < mareklug> but the pix are still worth a cursory look just the same 06:58 < Ironholds> and this is how you guys spend your spare time 06:58 < Swob> you used to be one of us 06:58 < mareklug> Ironholds "morning has broken, like the first morning, blackbird has spoken…" 06:58 -!- spyro [~shentino@gentoo/contributor/shentino] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:59 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5sSEkZ86ts 07:00 -!- albel727 [~albel727@unaffiliated/albel727] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:00 -!- albel727 [~albel727@unaffiliated/albel727] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:00 < Ironholds> Swob: I don't think I ever argued over the relative beauty of people based solely on their passport. 07:00 < Ironholds> if I did, I post-hoc slap myself. 07:01 < mareklug> it's ironic that now that he is Yusuf Islam he won't sing, except by intoning prayer 07:01 < mareklug> not passport, but ethnicity. 07:01 < mareklug> you can be a Bulgarian from Ethiiopia, i.e. with Bulgarian passport. 07:02 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:02 < mareklug> also, the current Miss Israel IS from Ethiopia 07:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> she is jewish tho 07:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so clearly she is a pure breed 07:03 < mareklug> Jewish is not an ethnic condition, ToAruShiroiNeko. 07:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I know it isnt 07:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but plenty claim it is 07:03 < mareklug> well, there are bloodlines that have kept themselves remarkably intact, which is a Jewish kinda thing. It has led to all kinds of unhappiness. 07:04 < russavia> what's the bet that this discussion will note end well 07:04 < russavia> *not 07:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 20 to 1 07:04 < mareklug> as soon as that happens, we will polandball it. 07:04 -!- Fluff|away is now known as Fluffernutter 07:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia you should start pokeballs 07:05 < russavia> from the Turkish side it will end with the palestinian side, and from the polish side who is the biggest martyr (poland or israel) 07:05 < russavia> and i'll do my best to prod it along in that direction ;) 07:05 < Swob> i was already looking up polandball comics to try to find one that i remembered from before, but i couldnt find it 07:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> police officer dies 07:06 -!- spyro [~shentino@gentoo/contributor/shentino] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:06 < Swob> id' say roughly 80% of polandball comics go right over my head 07:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 2 other officers 5 soliders and 4 civilians also wounded 07:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *police officers 07:07 < russavia> really swob? very few go over mine -- dunno why 07:07 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:07 < mareklug> russavia clearly Polish Jews were the biggest martyrs, so that is settled amicably 07:08 < russavia> :) 07:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://news.yahoo.com/turkish-border-police-wounded-clashes-turkey-syrian-border-122740582.html 07:08 < russavia> now we'll just work on toaru with the gaza flotilla 07:09 < mareklug> has the Turkish PM been to Gaza yet? hope he is not going by boat 07:09 < mareklug> not that there is a functioning airport there. ie. one with intact runways 07:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I dont know 07:10 < russavia> why would a turk going to gaza on a boat be a problem mareklug 07:10 < russavia> did something happen? why did it happen if so? 07:11 < TheDruId> Maybe they can sponsor a float in the Tournament of the War of the Roses. 07:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the people on the flotila were unarmed civilians carying aid not weapons to gaza, israeli comandos raided the ship in international waters. 07:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> whatever bullshit you are about to sprout, just keep that in mind. 07:12 < mareklug> russavia basically, there is a naval and air embargo on Gaza. 07:12 < mareklug> and the Egyptians built a tall wire fence on their side. 07:13 -!- moogsi is now known as moogsi|gon 07:14 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko your preemptive defensiveness is beguiling. 07:14 < Swob> egypt doesnt love the Palestinians? 07:14 < mareklug> nope 07:15 < mareklug> there wer eEgyptian military recently killed in attacks on Sinai 07:15 < mareklug> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57488629/16-egyptian-soldiers-killed-in-sinai-buried/ 07:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why would I be defensive? 07:16 < mareklug> "(AP) CAIRO - Egypt on Tuesday buried the 16 soldiers killed by suspected Islamist militants near the borders with Gaza and Israel, as pressure built on Egypt's president not to ease restrictions on the Palestinian territory and to seek amendments in the peace treaty with Israel to allow more Egyptian troops on the border." 07:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I practically dont share any kind of political opinions with the people on tha flotila 07:17 < mareklug> "[09:12:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whatever bullshit you are about to sprout, just keep that in mind." <-- so why WERE you DEFENSIVE *here*? 07:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I wasnt? 07:17 < mareklug> Swob he wasn't? 07:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I just dont like hearing bullshit 07:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> am I on trial here? 07:18 < mareklug> did you hear any this hot new york minute? 07:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I can decipher that last sentence 07:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *can't 07:19 < mareklug> what part of this hot new york minute don't you get? 07:19 < Swob> i dont know how y'all got so serious 07:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRC is serious business 07:19 < mareklug> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=New%20York%20Minute 07:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I still dont get your question 07:20 < mareklug> was there any bullshit offered here now? 07:21 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has left #wikipedia-en [] 07:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you were talking... so yeah 07:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> plenty of it 07:21 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko are you trolling, or are you serious? "you were talking… so yeah" what the fuck, ToAruShiroiNeko ? 07:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob current Egypt government is anti-israel and pro palestine naturally 07:22 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko do you want to be trouted? 07:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> however they are in a passive-agressive mode 07:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they arent exactly doing anything of substance 07:22 -!- Savage_CL [Jordan@173.234.168.180] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I will not entertain this line of questioning from you anymore. 07:23 -!- Savage_CL [Jordan@173.234.168.180] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:23 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko go fuck yourself you little complicated nonlinear man 07:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sticks and stones 07:23 < sam> Spring is definitely my favourite season of all 07:23 < mareklug> good on ya. 07:24 < NotASpy> could we possibly all have a group hug and behave ? 07:24 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231115099.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:24 < mareklug> NotASpy as soon as you get Mr. Defensive to stop offending. 07:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy for what exactly? 07:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am tired of mareklugs attempts to bait 07:25 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I don't bait. you are hereby being officially trouted. that is not a bait. that is a fish used as a paddle. 07:25 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: that's why IRC is has the ignore function. 07:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure 07:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but he does this often whenever I talk 07:26 < mareklug> NotASpy ToAruShiroiNeko is too dependent on me feeding him genuiine information 07:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug at least learn to type 07:26 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko you are too low. 07:27 < NotASpy> enough people, it's one thing to disagree about content, politics etc, but to get into the realms of commenting on typing and the like, that's too far. 07:27 < NotASpy> Comment on the content, not the contributor applies here too. 07:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> indeed it is 07:27 < mareklug> it went too far when Mr. Defensive foreswore hearing any bullshit I was about to type 07:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its just the nonsense I have been getting here 07:28 < mareklug> considering there hasn't been any in this conversation, you are off. 07:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he can ignore me if he likes, I dont have this luxary unfotunately 07:29 < mareklug> why would I ignore you? I will happily pounce on you for saying stooooopid things. 07:30 -!- MasterofPuppets [~Master@Wikipedia/Master-of-Puppets] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> your high and all might attitude is the problem. 07:30 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@unaffiliated/skater-2015/x-9635647] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:30 -!- EvilSon|Alt [~nonya@pool-72-77-76-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and you know it too. 07:30 -!- darev [~darev@p54AABCA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you enjoy picking on me even when I am not even talking to you 07:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you interrupt any discussion I start with other people 07:31 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko this must be the summer of your discontent. 07:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> stop trolling and I wont complain about your trolling. 07:32 < mareklug> forgive me for the gruesome image, but you sound like the irc incarnation of a burst pimple 07:32 < darev> Hello again! 07:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hi 07:32 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-210-224.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Beams.] 07:35 < TheDruId> darev, Howdy; nice to see you again. 07:39 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:41 -!- moogsi|gon is now known as moogsi 07:41 -!- odder [odder@wikimedia/odder] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:41 < odder> !admin please unblock me on en, thanks 07:42 < closedmouth> wat 07:42 < mareklug> odder! how did you get yourself blocked? 07:42 < odder> mareklug: an admin blocked me because I did two reverts 07:42 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&action=history 07:42 < mareklug> i have to see that. 07:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder arbcom? :p 07:43 -!- Cookies52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:43 < odder> I didn't even violate any revert rules, I checked 07:43 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: dunno, whatever. 07:43 < Swob> 14:39, 2 May 2013 Floquenbeam (talk | contribs | block) blocked Odder (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 31 hours (Edit warring: to be undone the minute you promise not to remove a thread on someone else's talk page anymore) 07:43 -!- sdamashek is now known as sdamashek|away 07:43 < odder> Swob: I noticed that, thanks 07:44 < Swob> i was posting it for others' reference 07:44 < Swob> oh look it's the child porn issue again 07:44 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=468666190 07:44 < Swob> havent seen that come up for almost a week 07:44 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=434157922 07:44 < Cookies52> Seems fine - you can be blocked for generic edit warring - it doesn't need to be 3RR 07:44 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=382730257 07:44 < NotASpy> odder: so you're here to solemnly promise not to edit war, yeah ? 07:45 < odder> I don't see him blocked for removing comments from Jimmy's talk page 07:45 < odder> NotASpy: not at all 07:45 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:46 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:47 < NotASpy> odder: do you understand you cannot remove comments from another user's talk page ? 07:47 -!- muahaha|AFKcock is now known as muahaha 07:47 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:47 -!- koishi_ [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:48 -!- sdamashek|away is now known as sdamashek 07:48 < odder> NotASpy: no 07:48 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has left #wikipedia-en [] 07:48 < mareklug> odder this is not black and white, but I think you erred in judgment here. 07:48 -!- lfaraone_ is now known as lfaraone 07:49 < NotASpy> Those messages are for Jimmy, it's not a normal page for discussion like anywhere else. It's really up to Jimmy what he removes from the talk page, not you nor anybody else. 07:50 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has left #wikipedia-en [] 07:50 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:51 < odder> mareklug: I don't think so—I'm feeling double standards being used here. 07:51 < IRWolfie-> I don't see why you were removing that thread 07:51 < odder> NotASpy: not really—I mentioned some links which clearly show that people are removing threads from Jimmy's talk page so often 07:52 < Fluffernutter> odder: personally, I find it odd that only one side of the revert war was blocked. But that doesn't mean you should be *unblocked* before you understand the problem; it only means the other side (in my view) ought to have been blocked too 07:52 -!- Ironholds is now known as IH|away 07:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder its jimbos talk page, its the definition of double standard 07:52 < mareklug> like I said, it is not black and white. it is not a case that one should NEVER remove stuff from someone else's talk page, what with Jimbo's page being something of a vitriolic man's village pump…. you zapped an entire thread including substantive comments. Not good. 07:52 < NotASpy> someone else doing something wrong doesn't permit you to do the same thing, odder. 07:52 < odder> nothing I haven't seen on Jimbo's talk page before 07:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter you have a minute? 07:53 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have been menaing to ask you something 07:53 < odder> mareklug: ^^ 07:53 < Fluffernutter> not really, sorry. I'm running around as it is 07:53 < odder> NotASpy: but using double standards, and not even warning people before being blocked is cool with you? 07:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> can you let me know when you are available? 07:53 < odder> before blocking them* 07:54 < odder> quality behaviour, surely. 07:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder I was blocked on commons for the same reason 07:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> for not even revert warring 07:54 < IRWolfie-> odder: you were blanking a significant portion of another editors talk page for no great reason 07:54 < odder> I did two reverts, the rules speak about three. What's the point of it being there in the first place, if admins can apply them as they want to? 07:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there are two types of contributors, sysops and nonsysops 07:54 -!- Sarcasm [~Panda@unaffiliated/sarcasm] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:54 < odder> IRWolfie-: the thread was hostile, and harassing another user 07:54 < Fluffernutter> "Even without a 3RR violation, an administrator may still act if they believe a user's behavior constitutes edit warring, and any user may report edit warring with or without 3RR being breached. The rule is not an entitlement to revert a page a specific number of times." <---odder 07:55 < odder> I read that, so? 07:55 < IRWolfie-> odder: then report them to ANI if you wish 07:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter the context of the thread is borderline vandalism 07:55 < odder> the whole point is that I am blocked :) 07:55 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: that doesn't make sense 07:55 < Fluffernutter> so "I didn't revert three whole times" doesn't keep you clear of having been edit warring 07:55 < mareklug> odder since you are not tweaking your belief system despite consensus on this channel :) :) :) I suggest take a bit of rest and let the block ride. I know it sucks, but.... 07:56 < odder> I think I might start trolling there, for the mere fun of it 07:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder you have to comply with the will of the channel. Rational discussion is out of the question. 07:56 < Fluffernutter> ...please don't do that 07:56 < IRWolfie-> odder: Wow, and you said you were an oversighter on commons? 07:56 < Fluffernutter> it's not likely to help anything, and it's very likely to end with you blocked even harder 07:56 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: I did notice that 07:56 < IRWolfie-> Commons attracts such quality 07:56 < odder> Fluffernutter: I am not editing en.wp too often, no harm done 07:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- please do not talk about quality on commons when en.wikipedia is a very low bar 07:57 < odder> IRWolfie-: en.wp attracts such quality 07:57 < Fluffernutter> so then why are you so anxious toi be unblocked right now? 07:57 < russavia> odder: can you please come and do something on commons 07:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> commons is far better in all aspects 07:57 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: pfft 07:57 < odder> Fluffernutter: it's just unfair when I know people are free to remove threads from Jimmy's talk page and are left free 07:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> en.wikipedia has seen cases where people claimed to have phds in theology 07:57 < odder> when I get blocked without a single warning 07:57 < IRWolfie-> by and large wikipedia works 07:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and baeed on that they gotten in to arbcom and stuff 07:58 < moogsi> umm can we all accept that we broadly share the same mission and hug each other? 07:58 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: On the internet anonymous people can claim anything. It's not a failing of wikipedia 07:58 < odder> not really, no, moogsi 07:58 < moogsi> odder: :( 07:58 < moogsi> WHY 07:58 < Fluffernutter> odder: perhaps ask Floquenbeam that, on your talk page? Have a discussion? 07:58 < odder> no, I don't think so, thanks for the offer though 07:59 < moogsi> it's ok, i know why... it makes me sad 07:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder I sent you a pm 07:59 * Fluffernutter sighs. Well, I think mareklug is right. If you're not willing to enter into discussion or try to understand how your behavior might not have been great, it's unlikely you're going to be unblocked. 08:00 -!- Sarcasm [~Panda@unaffiliated/sarcasm] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:00 -!- Sarcasm [~Panda@pool-98-110-153-105.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:00 -!- Sarcasm [~Panda@pool-98-110-153-105.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:00 -!- Sarcasm [~Panda@unaffiliated/sarcasm] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:00 * Cookies52 just wishes everyone could just get on, and not worried about minor things 08:00 < TheDruId> Sarcasm, it's as if you never left... 08:00 < russavia> odder: the trick to getting unblocked on enwp is to 1) wikilawyer your ass off or 2) just tell them what they wanna here (I'll be a good boy lol) 08:00 < Cookies52> Sarcasm, was that sarcastic? 08:00 < odder> russavia: I don't care, fuck them all 08:01 < Sarcasm> Wot 08:01 < Cookies52> odder, watch the attacks, please 08:01 < russavia> sorry, scrub one -- you wikilawyer and lie your arse off to prevent yourself getting blocked 08:01 -!- Scott_Martin [hex@wikipedia/Hex] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:01 < russavia> only honest people get blocked onenwp 08:01 < NotASpy> and only deluded people come onto IRC complaining about being blocked on IRC. 08:02 < NotASpy> *enwp 08:02 < odder> NotASpy: watch the attacks, please 08:02 < Fluffernutter> an honest person ate my dingo 08:02 < NotASpy> WP is a collaboration, you do not get to dictate to everybody else what you're doing to do. 08:02 < russavia> umm, no odder is not deluded...sure he's polish....but he's not deluded 08:02 < IRWolfie-> Editor who has been blocked ~17 times and is currently blocked giving tips about how not to get blocked. 08:02 < IRWolfie-> ^^ 08:03 < mareklug> Fluffernutter dingo is a wild Australian dog. Yours did not look the part in the videoclip. 08:03 < NotASpy> Irony, it's getting creases out of clothes. 08:03 < russavia> IRWolfie- i sure a 08:03 < russavia> *i sure am 08:03 < russavia> IRWolfie- you watch the sparks fly when i return ;) 08:03 < Cookies52> :D 08:04 < TheDruId> NotASpy, http://www.despair.com/irony.html 08:04 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:04 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has left #wikipedia-en [] 08:04 < Cookies52> Well, they didn't want to stick around 08:04 < NotASpy> Irony, just like bronzy and goldy... 08:05 < Fluffernutter> tungsteny is the best 08:05 < Cookies52> Irony, its just like NotASpy's jokes 08:06 < NotASpy> quite rusty and not all that strong. 08:06 < mareklug> odder tak naprawdę to mógłbyś obiecać, że się odwalisz od tego tematu i nie będziesz już więcej wycinał tamże, no i będzie po sprawie. Po co się stawiać honorowo. 08:07 < odder> mareklug: dlatego, że 2 rewerty to żaden edit war, a ktoś się poczuł jak Chuck Norris—to nie moja wina 08:07 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:07 < odder> i dlatego, że mój block log na en jest teraz zasyfiony–a ja tego bardzo nie lubię 08:07 < mareklug> odder tak, ale to wypadek przy pracy, i nie każdy z miotłą jest pełnosprawny :) 08:08 < mareklug> no, wiem jak się czujesz; też mam zasyfiony 08:08 -!- Scott_Martin [hex@u.nix.is] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:08 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:08 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:08 < russavia> odder: I know that feel bro 08:09 < odder> mareklug: i to, co napisała Fluffernutter: albo blokujesz obie strony, albo nie blokujesz nikogo 08:09 -!- Swob [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 08:09 < russavia> so many feels 08:09 < odder> i blokowanie bez ostrzeżenia? dziwna maniera. 08:09 < Fluffernutter> that's not what I wrote, odder. I wrote that It'd odd they didn't block both siders, but that doesn't mean the blocks they did make were wrong 08:10 < odder> Fluffernutter: cieszę się, że Google Translate produkuje dobre tłumaczenie :) 08:10 < russavia> ummmm.....sorry to ask the obvious here -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Jimbo.2C_at_some_point_you.27re_going_to_have_to_tackle_commons -- why isn't this InconvenientCritic blocked? 08:10 < mareklug> naprawdę jest dobre! 08:10 < russavia> they are an obvious sock 08:10 < Fluffernutter> so am I! 08:10 < odder> mareklug: nie sprawdzałem tego nawet :) 08:11 < mareklug> "or blocking both sides, or you are not blocking anyone" nie na sto procent, ale nieźle 08:11 < russavia> fluffernutter -- just tell odder this -- he will be impressed no doubt -- tea who you yeah bunny 08:11 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 08:11 < odder> I am alrady, russavia! 08:12 < russavia> :) 08:12 < odder> already* 08:12 < mareklug> no, he is al kaida. or al cohol 08:12 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:12 < NotASpy> russavia: yes, but they're not doing anything wrong. It's permitted to use an obvious sock to prevent your own good account being dragged into a shit storm of controversy. 08:12 * Fluffernutter speaks juuuust enough bad czech to sort of vaguely have an idea of what people typing polish might be saying, but not enough to actually have a clue. 08:12 < russavia> ummm no its not 08:12 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:13 < russavia> Seleucidis/Hortensja is living proof ofthat 08:13 < NotASpy> per WP:SOCK Editors who use unlinked alternative accounts, or who edit as an IP address editor separate from their account, should carefully avoid any crossover on articles or topics, because even innocuous activities such as copy editing, wikifying, or linking might be considered sock puppetry in some cases and innocuous intentions will not usually serve as an excuse. 08:13 * Cookies52 wonders is this is still an English Channel.... 08:13 < russavia> notaspy i suggest you look at WP:SPI/Russavia 08:13 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:13 < russavia> cookies52 -- these damned poles 08:13 < russavia> there's nothing you can do 08:14 < odder> mareklug: zresztą słyszałem już wcześniej, że en jest mega pokręcona i wieczne dramaty się tam odbywają, więc w sumie nie wypadłem źle 08:14 < russavia> although - - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_deal_with_Poles 08:14 < russavia> might offer some pointers 08:14 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:14 < odder> mareklug: zastanawiam się, czy sobie całkowicie tego projektu nie odpuścić – Wikiźródła na przykład zawsze potrzebują pomocy :) 08:14 < mareklug> no tak, ale przyznasz, że pl też jest pokręcona na własny sposób. 08:15 < odder> mareklug: ale takich podwójnych standardów czy sytuacji z Hortensją to nie widziałem, a widziałem sporo 08:15 < russavia> also cookies52, these aren't REAL poles -- there's not a single kurwa anywhere 08:16 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:16 < odder> russavia: nie obawiasz się, że wdawanie się w taką dyskusję to naruszenie twojego bana? 08:16 < odder> russavia: w końcu przecież IRC stanowi integralną część społeczności, czyż nie? 08:16 < mareklug> chyba nie 08:16 < russavia> nie 08:17 < odder> russavia: to odpowiedź na które pytanie? 08:17 < mareklug> na pl wiki właśnie tak by było :/ 08:17 * Cookies52 breaks out Google translate 08:17 < russavia> mareklug: you spelled bydlo wrong 08:17 < odder> e, opcji z Hortensją sobie raczej nie wyobrażam 08:17 < Fluffernutter> rozumiemy punkt, chłopaki, ale może mieć to rozmowy w pm? 08:18 < odder> \o/ 08:18 < mareklug> bydło not bydlo. 08:18 < odder> Polish mafia takes over the channel, apparently. 08:18 < Cookies52> Meh 08:18 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18 < odder> russavia: a więc? :) 08:18 < Cookies52> We've had worse 08:18 < russavia> fluffernutter,i'm welcomed in pl.wp with english, no reason they can't into polish here 08:18 < mareklug> we have had spanish daily 08:18 < Cookies52> Such as a sandwich taking over....... 08:19 < Fluffernutter> indeed, russavia, but they're having an extended one-on-one conversation in polish in an english channel. Seems just as easy to have it in pm 08:19 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:19 < Fluffernutter> i'm not about to go butt-kicky or anything, just sayin'. 08:20 < odder> Fluffernutter: rozmawiamy też z russavia, dużo lepiej jest rozmawiać na kanale w trzy osoby 08:20 < russavia> that's cool fluff -- you're obviously interested enough to google translate it ;) 08:20 < russavia> perhaps tell them in spanish fluff 08:20 < Cookies52> russavia - yes, but that's because most people know English - and a lot less know other European languages 08:20 < russavia> odder: go somewhere elso 08:20 < mareklug> Fluffernutter we're trying to unruffle odder so he can get himself in gear and unbanned b4 31 hours 08:20 < moogsi> GO BACK TO POLE LAND 08:20 * moogsi flees 08:21 < gwickwire> this is so weird. 08:21 < odder> mareklug: to raczej nie zadziała 08:21 < russavia> sorry odder you asked me a question 08:21 < Fluffernutter> gwickwire still exists? 08:21 < Cookies52> gwickwire, this is Wikipedia.... 08:21 < odder> russavia: w którym miejscu? 08:21 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: in here for a while. I was asked by someone to make sure you weren't spreading rumors. 08:21 < mareklug> gwickwire comes here for comfort and harth 08:22 < Cookies52> gwickwire, don't blame you 08:22 < Ushau97> gwickwire: why did youretire? 08:22 < mareklug> hearth * 08:22 < gwickwire> Ushau97: Because. 08:22 -!- Avt_ [~Avt_@75.93.237.3] has left #wikipedia-en [] 08:22 < Ushau97> because with a period. that's it? 08:22 < Cookies52> Ushau97, guessing you've been away from ANI then...... 08:22 < Fluffernutter> the period is the important part. 08:22 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 08:23 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: Thanks :D 08:23 < gwickwire> You understand me :D 08:23 < odder> mareklug: oh, to jest ta dramah właśnie 08:23 < Sarcasm> Cookies52: being away from ani should be celebrated 08:23 < mareklug> odder w jego przypadku, kara boska 08:23 < odder> mareklug: gwickwire? po tym, co widziałem na wikipediocracy, to chyba dramah 08:23 * russavia gives odder pyry 08:23 < gwickwire> holy poop 08:23 < odder> nie wyobrażam sobie takiego outowania ludzi na pl 08:24 < gwickwire> yo no speako el language de tu. 08:24 -!- D_ [~D@pool-96-224-192-110.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:24 < russavia> fuckings of yuo gwickwire 08:24 < Cookies52> I heard wikipediocracy :O :O 08:24 * Fluffernutter feels the love in here. It just radiates. 08:24 < gwickwire> russavia: I saw fuck. I didn't try to understand. 08:24 < Ushau97> can anyone provide me with the discussion at ANI 08:24 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: Well, appparently, I'm a person that causes divides now :/ 08:24 < russavia> it does doesn't it fluffernutter :) 08:24 < Cookies52> Look in the latest archive 08:24 < mareklug> Fluffernutter today is a bad day. it's a meltdown thursday. we should be serving virtual tuna melt fluffernutters. 08:25 < TheDruId> Me gustaría un gato con queso y dos cervezas, por favor. 08:25 < Fluffernutter> i don't think tuna goes well with marshmallow 08:25 < russavia> funny things is fluffernutter -- there's many feels here 08:25 -!- martijnhh [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:25 * Cookies52 puts Fluffernutter on a plate with marshmallows 08:25 < russavia> me gusta? you found my secret stalk phrase 08:25 < mareklug> Fluffernutter the cheese makes the two happy 08:25 < Fluffernutter> you should open a restaurant of the weird, mareklug 08:25 < mareklug> :) 08:26 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: And server fluffernutters? :P 08:26 < mareklug> in all seriousness, if the cheese is strong enough, anything goes. 08:26 < Fluffernutter> nah there's already a restaurant in NYC that does that 08:26 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:26 < russavia> who cut the cheese? 08:26 < mareklug> the laser dude 08:26 * Cookies52 opens a Wikipedian Cheese-marshmallow bar 08:26 < russavia> oh sorry, i thought i smelt something nasty 08:26 < odder> mareklug: seriously, czasem jak spoglądam na te wątki na wp-cracy, to jestem przerażony 08:26 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: really? where? 08:26 < russavia> it's just delicious carbuncle 08:26 < gwickwire> Ill be in NYC this summer, I'd like to go. 08:27 < Fluffernutter> in the village, iirc 08:27 < gwickwire> russavia: don't feed the trolls. 08:27 < gwickwire> DC is such a troll it's not even funny. 08:27 < odder> mareklug: widziałeś tę żółć wylewaną na gwickwire, przykładowo? 08:27 < russavia> that's right 08:27 < gwickwire> How the fuck are they and their sock (which CU can't find a master, but it's obvio a sock) not banned? 08:27 < Fluffernutter> gwickwire: http://ilovepeanutbutter.com/media/pdf/shop_menu.pdf 08:27 < mareklug> odder ja jeno edytuję w przestrzeni głównej. Jeszcze się nie splamiłem komentarzem ani głosem na Rf* 08:27 -!- Cookies52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: block DC (or some other idiot)'s sock pls. 08:28 < odder> mareklug: interesujące podejście :) 08:28 < IRWolfie-> gwickwire: what socks? 08:28 < gwickwire> see jimbos talk 08:28 < Fluffernutter> why in the world would i go blocking someone or their uknown theoretical sock 08:28 < IRWolfie-> They are probably just wikipediocracy members, they might not even have a main account 08:28 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: Look at the comments, this is such an obvous salk that the only other way they could make it more obvio is sayign "IM THIS PERSON" 08:29 < gwickwire> IRWolfie-: It's probably Vigilant. 08:29 < gwickwire> or Tungsten 08:29 < IRWolfie-> file an SPI 08:29 < gwickwire> (btw, Tungeten Carbide claims to have an admin account undiscovered so..) 08:29 < gwickwire> IRWolfie-: -retired- what part not understands? 08:30 < IRWolfie-> if you are retired then stop caring I guess 08:30 < Fluffernutter> ^ 08:31 < odder> this doesn't mean he cannot care 08:31 < mareklug> IRWolfie- gwickwire is retired but emotionally invested. He needs to get his Froth-at-the-mouth IRA transferred out 08:31 < Fluffernutter> no, but it does mean that if he ever had standing to give me orders, which he didn't, he's certainly given it up now 08:32 < odder> so no harm 08:32 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: It was a question, not an order. Hence the please. 08:32 * Fluffernutter really wants a peanut butter and banana sandwich now, on reading that menu 08:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm 08:32 < russavia> odder have you gotten down on your knees yet? 08:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter isnt that bad for you? 08:33 < Fluffernutter> i'msure it's terrible for you 08:33 < moogsi> it is good for your soul 08:33 < gwickwire> ToAruShiroiNeko: We're all young healthy men, per the survey of demographics. So... 08:33 < IRWolfie-> gwickwire: if you want to retire the only good way of doing that is to disengage. otherwise you end up like many of the wikipediocracy people. They don't edit but they are obsessed with what is going on 08:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> <3 that makes it better right? 08:33 < IRWolfie-> (It's like a step above meta-editing) 08:33 < moogsi> I WILL HAVE THE ELVIS, PLEASE 08:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> gwickwire I was watcing an episode of bullshit on weightloss 08:34 < gwickwire> LOL 08:34 < moogsi> when you order something called The Elvis, at least you know what you're getting 08:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I think their conclusion is spot on :) 08:34 < mareklug> IRWolfie- the Oort cloud of wiki 08:34 < odder> russavia: sorry? 08:34 < moogsi> omg you can add bacon! 08:34 < russavia> odder, remember the video i showed you earlier 08:35 < odder> I don't 08:35 < Fluffernutter> i know, the bacon is like "...i never considered this but...i...might like it" 08:35 < russavia> odder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTWTZaKfE9g -- you have to be like the wikipedia version of this 08:35 < russavia> fluffernutter -- you'll like this ^ ^ 08:36 < odder> ah, well, this will never happen, sorry 08:36 < russavia> not even the grin? :) 08:36 < odder> and you already know my evil plan of removing the thread the minute my block expires, so :) 08:36 < odder> fuck wrong window 08:36 < russavia> hahaha 08:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder more pm? 08:37 < TheDruId> gwickwire, as a retiree, I'll dispute the "young" label, although I'm young at heart, I don't know at what age you'd draw the line. 08:37 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: sorry, got a couple of things atm – will respond in a moment 08:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure no hurries :D 08:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId you are a druid, you can shapeshift into one 08:38 < moogsi> russavia: ahaha guilty dog... i actually believe that's the main difference between dogs and cats... dogs are able to feel something like guilt 08:39 < moogsi> a cat in the same situation would just be "yeah? so what?" 08:40 < Fluffernutter> my dog would sit in that situation and be like "What? You left them out, they were fair game." 08:40 < TheDruId> moogsi, Main difference: You come home, you feed the dog, you pet the dog, the dog thinks "He's the greatest person on the face of the planet." You come home, you feed the cat, you pet the cat, the cat thinks "I'm the greatest person on the face of the planet." 08:40 < moogsi> :D 08:41 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:42 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@90.208.181.45] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:42 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@90.208.181.45] has quit [Changing host] 08:42 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:43 -!- IH|away is now known as Ironholds 08:45 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:47 -!- peachey|laptop__ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:48 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has left #wikipedia-en [] 08:49 < moogsi> i don't know if i'm a dog or a cat person... maybe a cog or a dat 08:49 < moogsi> or Catdog 08:49 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Client Quit] 08:49 < TheDruId> I prefer the unusual pets, ferrets, snakes, spiders... 08:50 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:51 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has left #wikipedia-en [] 08:51 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:53 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:53 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Heligoland] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:54 * Fluffernutter had snakes as a kid. Unless you get to boa-sized ones, they're not very cuddly 08:55 < russavia> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Odder&diff=553211515&oldid=553203403 hey man, check this out bwahahahaha 08:55 < russavia> oh shit, sorry, wrong window 08:55 < odder> LOL, russavia, that was so lame 08:56 < russavia> i know right 08:56 < TheDruId> Is there an image to accompany that? 08:57 < russavia> one sec 08:57 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:57 < russavia> thedruid -- indeed there is -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Polandball_warrior.png 08:58 < mareklug> russavia I don't think the hussars had curved whatever that is. 08:58 < mareklug> blades 08:58 < mareklug> scimitars 08:58 < mareklug> it is the other dudes who had them 08:58 < TheDruId> It's been warped by the need for battle. 08:59 < russavia> http://www.badassoftheweek.com/hussars5.bmp 08:59 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HUSARZ_2009_200zl_reverse.jpg 09:00 -!- FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:00 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 09:00 < odder> TheDruId: http://tools.wikimedia.pl/~odder/tpp/trollmodeon.png 09:01 < odder> IRWolfie-: good link with the policy 09:02 < odder> "Furthermore, some types of user accounts are considered disruptive and may be blocked without warning, usually indefinitely." 09:02 < odder> I guess that's me, right? 09:02 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 09:02 < IRWolfie-> odder: your reaction to being blocked was essentially to promise to be disruptive. 09:02 -!- SerajewelKS [devnull@wikipedia/Crazycomputers] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:03 < IRWolfie-> odder: I also didn't link to the subtopic you quote 09:03 < IRWolfie-> I'm linking to disruption generally 09:03 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOCK#Preliminary:_Education_and_warnings 09:03 < IRWolfie-> A user may be blocked when his or her conduct severely disrupts the project; that is, when his or her conduct is inconsistent with a civil, collegial atmosphere and interferes with the process of editors working together harmoniously to create an encyclopedia. 09:04 < odder> Before a block is imposed, efforts should be made to educate users about Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and to warn them when their behavior conflicts with these. 09:04 < odder> How about that? 09:04 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:05 < IRWolfie-> odder: You are oversight on commons and appear to wikilaywer with the best of them, are you seriously contending you don't understand that trolling isn't ok? 09:05 < Fluffernutter> heh, some days... https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7395410176/h271C94BA/ 09:05 < TheDruId> Two wrongs don't make a userright. 09:06 < odder> IRWolfie-: what does it matter what rights I hold on Commons? We're talking about en.wp 09:06 < odder> and their admins blocking regular users on sight without warning, which is required by the policy. 09:06 -!- Rihan_flat is now known as Rihan_dogs 09:07 < mareklug> IRWolfie- um denouncing odder on Floquenbeam's page strikes me a bit petulant, if not crass. 09:07 < IRWolfie-> mareklug: I'm not denouncing, I'm pointing it out 09:08 < mareklug> it didn't require it. I think THAT was bad judgment also. 09:08 < mareklug> just sayin' 09:08 < IRWolfie-> mareklug: An editor promising to troll while blocked shouldn't be unblocked 09:08 < odder> I'm not asking to be unblocked. 09:08 < odder> I'll just wait until the block expires. 09:08 < IRWolfie-> odder: I don't think the block should be allowed to expire while you promise to troll 09:09 < russavia> would someone like to remove the personal attack on myself fromJW's talk page? 09:09 -!- SerajewelKS [devnull@wikipedia/Crazycomputers] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:09 < russavia> comparing me to Saddam Hussein is a fucking insult and gross personal attack 09:10 < mareklug> IRWolfie- I realize that you may think you are acting in some sort of a goody too shoes amicus curiae, but really, my friend, you should NOT have. 09:10 < mareklug> two * 09:10 < odder> IRWolfie-: I'm sure you have some sort of a process to request users being blocked indefinitely 09:10 < odder> go for it, man. 09:11 < russavia> yeah it's called a community ban 09:11 < IRWolfie-> mareklug: I fail to see why I should not have 09:11 -!- MasterofPuppets [~Master@Wikipedia/Master-of-Puppets] has quit [] 09:11 < mareklug> IRWolfie- then YOU need to reflect on the finer nuances of life, as well 09:11 < IRWolfie-> ? 09:12 -!- Mdann52 [~Mdann52@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:12 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:12 -!- moogsi is now known as moogsi|gon 09:13 < JohnLewis> Does anyone in here know Russian by any chance? 09:13 < russavia> IRwolfie- i do believe mareklug is telling you you need to go get laid 09:13 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:13 < russavia> PREVED! 09:16 < IRWolfie-> odder: a block isn't the same as a community ban 09:17 < IRWolfie-> (and suggesting a block be extended isn't the same as an indefinite block) 09:17 < odder> IRWolfie-: did I even mention community bans? 09:19 < IRWolfie-> No, russavia did. I am pointing out they aren't the same 09:20 < odder> IRWolfie-: seriously man, you don't need to teach me the policies, I've been here long enough. 09:21 < IRWolfie-> odder: and earlier you were saying you should have been educated about policies etc. Make your mind up. 09:22 < odder> Yes, for instance why admins decide to block users without warning them. 09:22 < odder> I would like to be educated about that particular part of the policy. 09:22 < IRWolfie-> odder: clearly you did not need the warning if you knew it was against policy 09:23 -!- zscout370 [~zscout370@108-247-186-200.lightspeed.fyvlar.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:23 -!- zscout370 [~zscout370@108-247-186-200.lightspeed.fyvlar.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 09:23 -!- zscout370 [~zscout370@wikipedia/Zscout370] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:26 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:26 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26 < odder> IRWolfie-: the policy also says: On the other hand, users acting in bad faith, whose main or only use is forbidden activity (sockpuppetry, vandalism, and so on), do not require any warning and may be blocked immediately. 09:26 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@128.198.212.76] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:26 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@128.198.212.76] has quit [Changing host] 09:26 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:26 < russavia> that's what they did to hortensja 09:27 < odder> IRWolfie-: you want to tell me that my main activity on en was sockpuppetry or vandalism? 09:27 < russavia> and her crime was helping me to chill lol 09:28 -!- Mdann52 [~Mdann52@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:29 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:29 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:29 < IRWolfie-> odder: You just said you knew policies, and so knew what you were doing. warnings are unnecessary 09:29 < IRWolfie-> *knew the 09:29 < IDoH> Hey 09:29 < odder> How come? The policy says they are required. 09:30 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30 < IRWolfie-> odder: where 09:30 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@128.198.212.76] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:30 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@128.198.212.76] has quit [Changing host] 09:30 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:30 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30 < IRWolfie-> The section you quote does not state that the blocking admin must personally try and educate you 09:30 < odder> IRWolfie-: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Preliminary:_Education_and_warnings 09:31 < IRWolfie-> The people reverting told you to stop and that it was disruptive 09:31 < IRWolfie-> yet you did it anyway 09:31 < IRWolfie-> odder: that does not say what you think it says 09:31 < odder> twice, yes. On a talk page. 09:31 < IRWolfie-> odder: Oh I see, the place they choose to teach you wasn't one that suited you? 09:31 < odder> IRWolfie-: aaah, yes, I cannot understand the language it's written in. 09:31 < odder> English tu hard 09:33 < russavia> \o/ 09:33 < odder> (cur | prev) 2013-05-02T15:13:45 Tarc (talk | contribs) . . (289,576 bytes) (+17,747) . . (Undid revision 553199810 by Nemo bis (talk) - you don't get to delete threads on another editor's talk page, I'm afraid) (undo) 09:33 < odder> (cur | prev) 2013-05-02T15:39:43 Rd232 (talk | contribs) . . (290,445 bytes) (+17,747) . . (rv - it is Jimbo's prerogative to delete threads from his talk page, not yours) (undo) 09:33 < odder> can you see any policies being cited here? 09:34 < odder> any warnings, anything? 09:34 < IRWolfie-> odder: Are you a wikilaywer? Do you think we need to link to policies when telling you about current practice? 09:34 < odder> What is the current practice? 09:34 < odder> That some people can remove threads from JW's talk page, and some not? 09:35 < odder> And those who are not allowed, get blocked without a single warning? 09:35 < odder> Yes, this sounds like a good practice to me. 09:35 < IRWolfie-> You were told not to do it by two established editors. What more do you want? 09:35 < IRWolfie-> just maybe that's a sign that you should discuss things. 09:36 -!- varnent [~varnent@wikimedia/varnent] has quit [Quit: varnent] 09:36 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Cloudyjbg27512 - yes, that's an established editor. 09:36 < TheDruId> Don't template the regulars suggests that anyone shouldn't have given you templated warnings, though they could have posted to you; they evidently trusted you to read the edit summary. 09:37 < IRWolfie-> odder: You quoted Rd232 and Tarc, they are established editors 09:37 < odder> Yes, sorry. 09:37 < odder> Tarc didn't revert me but Nemo. 09:38 < IRWolfie-> (Cloudy is not an established editor) 09:39 < odder> depends on your definition of 'established'. As far as I am aware, it doesn't equal 'registered'. 09:39 -!- sunnyrock [home@103.29.96.111] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:39 < IRWolfie-> odder: I would say several thousand edits, and a nick recognised by a decent number of other editors 09:39 -!- Mdann52 [~Mdann52@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:40 < IRWolfie-> Cloudy has only 70 edits 09:40 < odder> 123 09:40 < russavia> <IRWolfie-> odder: Are you a wikilaywer? Do you think we need to link to policies when telling you about current practice? -- odder -- isn't this the same argument you basically presented to DC about OS? 09:40 < russavia> and it's something that one does not necessarily need to know (according to DC) 09:40 < odder> What do you mean? 09:41 < odder> I told him it wasn't written down, and that I though it was a good idea to make it more prominent. 09:41 < odder> thought* 09:41 -!- Rihan_dogs is now known as Rihan 09:41 < russavia> if DC didn't know about OS, then its only fair to assume you don't know about enwp policies as an occasion editor there 09:41 < odder> IRWolfie-: so, now you see, that I got reverted by a user who registered on April 25, and then by Rd232, whom I did not revert back, even though I could've done that. 09:42 -!- Titoxd_ [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:42 < odder> And then I got blocked without a single warning, even though the policy requires that editors should be issued with one. 09:43 < IRWolfie-> odder: Rd232 reverted with (rv - stop deleting entire discussions), do you think he needs to direct it at you personally before you listen? 09:43 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@128.198.212.76] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:43 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@128.198.212.76] has quit [Changing host] 09:43 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:43 < IRWolfie-> odder: You don't have to be templated before being blocked 09:43 < IRWolfie-> the only time you are required to be templated is before discretionary sanctions 09:43 < odder> I'm not talking about being templated, I'm talking about being warned, which did not occure. 09:43 < IRWolfie-> odder: it did, on the talk page 09:44 < russavia> IRWolfie -- being warned by a troll doesn't count 09:44 < IRWolfie-> the block didn't come out of nowhere, you knew other editors were saying not to do it, and yet you did it anyway 09:44 < TheDruId> odder, Policy /does not/ require warning: "However, note that warnings are not a prerequisite for blocking. " 09:44 < IRWolfie-> russavia: odder claims to know policy, so he's trying to argue on a technicality here 09:44 < russavia> hey it works for others 09:44 < odder> TheDruId: it does. 09:44 < russavia> give him the same opportunity 09:45 < odder> Before a block is imposed, efforts should be made to educate users about Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and to warn them when their behavior conflicts with these. 09:45 < odder> In general, administrators should ensure that users who are acting in good faith are aware of policies and are given reasonable opportunity to adjust their behavior before blocking. On the other hand, users acting in bad faith, whose main or only use is forbidden activity (sockpuppetry, vandalism, and so on), do not require any warning and may be blocked immediately. 09:45 < russavia> i'm blocked for a month currently because Sand "Respect my authoritah" Stein argued that Israel is in eastern europe 09:45 < IRWolfie-> odder: In general isn't the same as always 09:45 < russavia> so let odder have his go 09:45 < TheDruId> odder, should =/= must 09:46 < IRWolfie-> odder: There is no bright line rule 09:46 < odder> Wow, thanks for explaining this to me. 09:46 < odder> Wouldn't know the difference between "should" and "must" if it wasn't for you guys. 09:46 < russavia> odder -- one sec 09:46 < odder> Appreciated. 09:46 < russavia> who blocked you 09:46 < odder> some F guy 09:46 < odder> lemme check it 09:47 < odder> Floquenbeam (talk) 14:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC) 09:47 -!- sunnyrock [home@103.29.96.111] has left #wikipedia-en ["Leaving"] 09:47 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:48 -!- moogsi|gon [~moogsi@wikimedia/moogsi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:48 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:48 < odder> IRWolfie-: so if there is no bright line rule, you go for block without warning? wow. 09:49 < IRWolfie-> odder: It looks to me like you were warned 09:50 -!- Mdann52 [~Mdann52@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:50 < IRWolfie-> You've enough edits to know that you don't just delete dicussions you don't like from another users talk page after other people tell you not to. 09:50 < IRWolfie-> But you did it anyway 09:50 < odder> I would assume this 'do not remove messages you don't like' would also apply to other users. 09:51 < odder> And I have 800 edits on en. 09:51 < IRWolfie-> odder: except for vandalism 09:51 < IRWolfie-> you can remove obvious vandalism. 09:51 < odder> You can't assume I would know all the details about such bureaucracy as en.wp 09:52 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=552563693 09:52 < odder> how about this, IRWolfie- ? 09:52 < IRWolfie-> odder: are you saying you didn't know you couldn't delete discussions you don't like? 09:53 < IRWolfie-> odder: Jimbo can remove posts from his own talk page 09:53 < odder> WP:OWN 09:53 < IRWolfie-> a user talk page is not an article 09:53 < odder> Should I assume that Jimbo can remove posts from his talk page when he doesn't like them? 09:53 < odder> And because he is Jimbo? 09:53 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:54 < IRWolfie-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OWN#User_pages 09:54 < IRWolfie-> odder: you can remove posts from your talk page that you don't like 09:54 < odder> Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. Nevertheless, they are not personal homepages, and are not owned by the user. 09:55 < IRWolfie-> yes 09:55 < zscout370> odder: generally, if someone is trolling your talk page, you can remove the notice without penalty or hitting 3RR 09:55 < zscout370> or remove discussions once resolved 09:55 < russavia> zscout370 -- tell that to Sandstein!!! 09:55 < IRWolfie-> You can remove discussions before they are resolved 09:56 < odder> zscout370: was it trolling? 09:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> zscout370 so anyone can talk trash of any other user unless its the talk page the badmouthed user has control over? 09:56 < odder> zscout370: I asked a valid question, and the highest moral authority on en removed it. 09:56 < Pharos> hi zscout370! 09:56 < odder> so I am assuming you can remove messages that are hostile. 09:57 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Heligoland] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:57 < IRWolfie-> odder: An editor can remove any message they want from their own talk pages 09:57 < zscout370> IRWolfie-: if they are trolling in nature 09:57 < IRWolfie-> zscout370: no, they can remove even regular comments 09:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- what if the comment posted is a series of personal attacks? 09:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its on somebody esles talk page so it is ok? 09:58 < Pharos> zscout370: join the picnic craze sweeping the nation! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiknic#2013_Wiknic 09:58 < NotASpy> ah, the Jimbo talk page shambles continues on, I see, ToAruShiroiNeko. 09:58 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: If it is a blatant personal attack, sure, if it's not, and people revert it, then that's a good sign that you shouldn't revert more without discussion 09:59 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: if someone reverts it, but you think it's a personal attack, either bring it to ANI or ignore it depending on the nature of it. 09:59 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:59 < NotASpy> the original comment that prompted everything wasn't a personal attack, it should have been left, regardless of what else was removed. 09:59 < zscout370> Pharos: I am dealing with a work transfer, and also most Wikimedians near me have moved, so that probably won't happen for NW Arkansas 10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- thats not the purpose of ANI though 10:00 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: sure it is 10:00 < IRWolfie-> ANI is for incidents 10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> this wouldnt be an incident 10:00 < Pharos> we have to find new wikineighbors, then! 10:00 * Moe_Epsilon has made http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Former_administrators all fancy looking :3 10:00 < IRWolfie-> Sure it would 10:00 < zscout370> also with Jimbos talk page, a lot of people watch it, so people will remove things besides him. My best suggestion is to try again, or maybe email Jimbo, to get a response. 10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> umm... no? 10:00 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: life is a serious of incidents, one after the other. 10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a non-issue 10:01 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: if something is a non-issue why would you be removing it 10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its one guy being a dick and people trying to keep the info with flimsy reasons like jimbo can remove it if he doesnt like it and such 10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not actually commenting on the content 10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if the revert reason was "its fine as is" no one would complain 10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> to revert a removal and block over it... thats an entirely different level 10:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> now that is indeed an incident 10:02 < NotASpy> I had no idea Lar, Riana or Secret had desysopped, Moe_Epsilon. Good to see them back though. 10:02 -!- FLHerne_ [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:02 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: it's called edit warring. 10:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- it really isnt 10:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we dont tolerate personal attacks or at least that was the idea when I was last editing 10:03 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: I see no obvious personal attacks 10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not up to date on such policies 10:03 -!- FLHerne_ [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03 -!- FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you arent looking hard enough then 10:03 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: If I have to look harder then it's not an obvious personal attack 10:04 < Moe_Epsilon> NotASpy: actually that is the resysopped lists, they are current admins again :p except Secret, who desysopped again (and is on the list next to the one you read) 10:04 < IRWolfie-> if its not an obvious personal attack, vandalism or obvious trolling etc, removing 17,000 bytes from another editors talk page is probably a bad idea. 10:05 -!- tttb [~tom@host-89-242-48-32.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:05 -!- _darev_ [~darev@p54AAA81B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:05 -!- darev [~darev@p54AABCA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:06 -!- martijnhh [~MartijnH@h104217.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:06 -!- martijnhh [~MartijnH@h104217.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Changing host] 10:06 -!- martijnhh [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- it is a long thread 10:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it would take you minutes to review it 10:07 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:07 < Moe_Epsilon> NotASpy: I guess I should remove double names from the last fifteen, since desysops/resysops are frequent sometimes :< 10:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "I just want him to engage directly with the problem and make some effort at either getting WMF involved in a non-trivial capacity, or building consensus to get rid of Russavia and rebuilding Commons as something other than what it now is." 10:08 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 10:08 -!- _darev_ is now known as adrev 10:08 -!- adrev is now known as darev 10:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> that isnt a personal attack? 10:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "Disqualifies it in the eyes of the Russavia Fan Club, sure. But those sorts of people are not really relevant to the discussion." 10:08 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: bad point—that's in the thread that I left being. 10:09 < odder> be* 10:09 < russavia> no toaru-- it is evidence of harassment 10:09 -!- mindspillage [~kat@64-79-125-70.static.wiline.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:09 -!- mindspillage [~kat@64-79-125-70.static.wiline.com] has quit [Changing host] 10:09 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:09 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: You don't remove an entire discussion if you think there is a personal attack somewhere in there 10:09 -!- tttb [~tom@host-89-242-48-32.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure 10:09 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: and no, I don't think those are personal attacks 10:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I also dont block people for doing it either 10:10 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: seriously, stop. bothering. 10:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fair enough 10:10 < IRWolfie-> Incivility isn't a personal attack 10:10 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: I don't care any longer. 10:10 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Quit: jorm] 10:10 < odder> thanks for the good will though 10:11 < russavia> odder: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests&diff=prev&oldid=90967020#File:Straddle_injury.jpg -- please shove this up DC's arse 10:11 < odder> I can't, I'm blocked. 10:11 < russavia> doh haha 10:12 -!- Demiurge1000 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Demiurge1000] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:12 < russavia> that is how we deal with stuff on commons-- and my responses to uploader were for probably unobvious reasons 10:12 < odder> russavia: and Philippe suppressed that file, not me 10:13 < russavia> yep that's right, i contacted legal 10:13 < russavia> oh wait....does thatmean i get to be an attention whore too 10:13 < russavia> ohwait,i already am:) 10:13 < odder> russavia: I thought you meant the other thread 10:13 < odder> the one that Trijnstel told DC about OS 10:13 < odder> s/that/where 10:14 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:14 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:14 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:14 < russavia> oh,the one that i deleted, and then had DC go and be an attention whore atJW's talk page about? 10:14 < odder> Yeah. 10:16 < russavia> ah....so we need to remove Russavia from premises,coz he's a *insert random insult* here 10:16 < odder> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=87423904#File:Genitals_of_a_teenage_boy.jpg_-_why_was_this_deleted_now.3F_Why_was_the_uploader_blocked.3F 10:16 < russavia> and i am sure mattbuck and others are the same 10:16 < odder> that's when DC was told about the existence of OS 10:16 -!- Lockhorn [~robertosd@72.183.34.206] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:17 -!- rr0|2 [~rr0@110.77.249.195] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:18 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:18 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:18 * mattbuck is a bad person 10:18 < NotASpy> DC's been around for as long as I have, there's no way this is the first of him learning about OS, odder. 10:19 < russavia> so i hope people can see why we are all pissed off that enwp allows this shit to continue to occur 10:19 < Qcoder00> Are individual API calls notable? 10:19 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CreateRemoteThread ->Not an article 10:19 -!- Izhidez is now known as Izawayz 10:19 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CreateThread -Not an article 10:19 < Qcoder00> etc 10:20 -!- sdamashek is now known as sdamashek|busy 10:20 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:20 < NotASpy> urgh. I'd merge them into a sensible, sizeable article. 10:21 < russavia> odder: part 1.5 http://imgur.com/UPqiDYO bwahaha 10:21 < Qcoder00> I'm tagging for notablity - But I should really Speedy tag them 10:21 < Qcoder00> They belong in a specic Wikia, 10:22 < Qcoder00> Not a General Encylopedia 10:22 < odder> russavia: LOL 10:22 < russavia> Pavlov wasn't very nice to his dogs :( 10:24 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: I think most of these are speedy 10:24 < Qcoder00> :) 10:24 < legoktm> Qcoder00: I don't think theyre notable 10:24 < legoktm> I'd rather see a merge though 10:25 < legoktm> Or a transwiki to wikibooks or something. 10:25 < Qcoder00> I'm using a PROD 10:25 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:25 < legoktm> thats a good idea 10:26 < russavia> odder: the EE battles continue on enwp -- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=next&oldid=553217044 10:26 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 10:26 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:26 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:26 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:27 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:29 < russavia> the only thing i can deduce from that is -- if yuo like of polandball = yuo don't of like volunteer marek -- that shit's funnier than pavlov's dogs 10:29 -!- Thehelpfulone [~Helper@wikimedia/Thehelpfulone] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:30 < russavia> mareklug -- ping 10:30 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:31 -!- Thehelpfulone [~Helper@2002:6da9:306f::6da9:306f] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:31 -!- Thehelpfulone [~Helper@2002:6da9:306f::6da9:306f] has quit [Changing host] 10:31 -!- Thehelpfulone [~Helper@wikimedia/Thehelpfulone] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:31 < russavia> when was 787 grounded? and where were LOT's grounded? 10:31 < odder> russavia: why the plural? :) 10:31 < russavia> because they have 2(??) 10:32 < odder> the only one they had was grounded on WAW, the rest they ordered were still in the US, AFAIK 10:32 < russavia> one was in chicago i believe 10:32 < russavia> http://csb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%92br%C3%B4zk:LOT_Boeing_787-8_SP-LRA_Lebeda.jpg -- i do like the tail design- but don't like the all-white fuselage 10:33 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: See also -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/CreateRemoteThread 10:33 < NotASpy> can we do an API call for DeleteNonNotableArticle ? 10:33 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:34 -!- Lockhorn [~robertosd@72.183.34.206] has left #wikipedia-en [] 10:35 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:35 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:35 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:35 < odder> russavia: exactly; one was grounded at WAW, the other one at ORD 10:35 -!- JohnLewis is now known as JL|BUSY 10:36 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:38 < russavia> odder: looks like LOT might be gone for good soon :( 10:38 < russavia> http://www.bne.eu/story4898/Poland_reportedly_asks_Norwegian_Air_to_rid_it_of_LOT 10:40 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@70-59-199-211.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:40 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@70-59-199-211.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:40 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:40 < kondi> lots of Kanye West fans on enwp, every other article related to him is a GA 10:40 < Pharos> it's a kanyespriracy 10:41 < Pharos> *Kanyespiracy 10:41 < odder> russavia: not a bad idea 10:41 < kondi> heh :) 10:42 < kondi> I think he is actually a good producer 10:42 < odder> Polish immigrants will take over Norway in a couple of years, so selling LOT to Norwegians might just be a trick 10:42 < odder> russavia: ^^ 10:42 -!- DrKlahn [~Uncle@67-3-86-179.desm.qwest.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:43 < russavia> we'll be seeing polls on Poles in norwegian media before we know it 10:43 -!- vvv [~vvv@mediawiki/VasilievVV] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:43 -!- TBloemink_ [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:43 -!- DrKlahn [~Uncle@67-3-86-179.desm.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:44 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:45 < Ironholds> It's like this channel is a competition to see who can say the most mindlessly stupid things. 10:45 -!- plains [~plains@unaffiliated/plains] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:45 < russavia> ^ ^ there's your winner 10:45 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has left #wikipedia-en [] 10:46 < TheDruId> Maybe we should just have polandball articles. 10:46 -!- vvv [~vvv@FARORE.MIT.EDU] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:46 -!- vvv [~vvv@FARORE.MIT.EDU] has quit [Changing host] 10:46 -!- vvv [~vvv@mediawiki/VasilievVV] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:46 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:48 < TheDruId> 300-style quote "This in not Encarta!" 10:48 < TheDruId> sorry, *"This is not Encarta!" 10:50 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:50 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:51 -!- Demiurge1000 is now known as D1000|Away 10:55 -!- Scott_Martin is now known as thatguyhex 10:55 -!- thatguyhex is now known as Scott_Martin 10:55 -!- Scott_Martin [hex@u.nix.is] has quit [Changing host] 10:55 -!- Scott_Martin [hex@wikipedia/Hex] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:55 -!- TheDruId_ [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:58 -!- TheDruId [4aeff6fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.239.246.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58 < russavia> toaru-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCseyin_Diri%C3%B6z -- you know of this guy? 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12:49 < MJ94> [[User:MJ94]] 12:49 < MJ94> StevenW: [[User:MJ94|This would work]]. 12:50 < StevenW> I'm wondering if you can do it without the link even. 12:50 < kaldari> needs the link 12:51 < kaldari> otherwise the User:OK is going to get a not of notifications 12:51 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:53 < kaldari> MJ94: Yeah, talkback is basically obsolete anyway now :) 12:54 * Moe_Epsilon hasn't received a name highlight yet and is rather pleased with our new notification system :p 12:54 < MJ94> I miss OBOD 12:55 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:55 -!- D___ is now known as d_ 12:56 -!- danger` [~user@cpe-66-74-185-38.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:56 -!- danger` [~user@cpe-66-74-185-38.dc.res.rr.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 12:56 -!- apolion [~apolion@53.Red-2-136-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: apolion] 12:59 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Quit: kaldari] 13:01 -!- Mdann52 [~Mdann52@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 13:04 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@216.38.130.167] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:04 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@216.38.130.167] has quit [Changing host] 13:04 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:04 < Scott_Martin> kaldari: nice work there. Also you beat me to aliasing it as {{ping}}. 13:05 < kaldari> :) 13:05 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 13:06 -!- Computron_ [~quassel@gryllida.uk.to] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:06 < Scott_Martin> So now we have both {{ping}} and {{bump}}. Excellent. 13:07 < Moe_Epsilon> assuming they didn't disable their notifications :P 13:07 -!- Computron [~quassel@gryllida.uk.to] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:07 -!- Computron is now known as Guest25830 13:13 < MJ94> I was thinking about sending {{ping}} to tfd, but maybe it's useful... 13:13 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14 -!- Jnorton7558 [whocares@wikipedia/Jnorton7558] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14 -!- Jnorton7558 [whocares@cpe-66-66-239-72.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:17 -!- zscout370 [~zscout370@wikipedia/Zscout370] has quit [Quit: Love & Respect] 13:18 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:18 -!- foks|mobil [~foks@dab-ell1-h-50-4.dab.02.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:18 -!- TB|Away [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Quit: So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Operator from a pure heart.] 13:18 -!- foks|mobil is now known as Guest94693 13:18 -!- Guest94693 [~foks@dab-ell1-h-50-4.dab.02.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:18 -!- Guest94693 [~foks@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:19 -!- Guest94693 is now known as foks 13:20 < gwickwire> Scott_Martin: Not using nick "hexmode" anymore? 13:20 < Scott_Martin> Different guy. 13:20 < petan> hexmode is Mark 13:22 < gwickwire> Scott_Martin: O.o really? 13:22 < gwickwire> Wow ok. I thought that was you this whole time. 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If it's the Tories hiding in the Lib Dems because they couldn't get elected as Tories, see above. 14:08 < Qcoder00> Steele is Old Liberal... 14:08 < Qcoder00> Clegg is New Liberal... 14:08 < Ironholds> no, Clegg is an Orange Booker. 14:09 < NotASpy> everything with New attached to it (New Liberal, New Labour) is just a pseudonym for Thatcherism-lite. 14:09 < Qcoder00> Orange Booker? 14:09 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: the Orange Book. 14:09 < Ironholds> NotASpy: I don't think anyone's used "New Liberal" outside of Australia, I'm afraid :) 14:09 < Ironholds> and I've yet to meet a single Thatcherite liberal democrat. 14:09 < Ironholds> (having spent many years in the party) 14:10 < Rcsprinter> Woh, I started a political discussion :D 14:10 < Qcoder00> And Blair was apparently scared about the Labour party mocing back towards being in thrall to union interests 14:10 < Qcoder00> *moving 14:10 * Ironholds snorts 14:10 < Ironholds> Rcsprinter: indeed! 14:11 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: he killed the Labour element of the New Labour party. 14:11 < Ironholds> Don't get me wrong, communism is essentially fascism with prettier signs, but at least they bloody stood for something. 14:11 < Ironholds> albeit something abhorrent. But abhorrent in a consistent fashion. 14:11 < Qcoder00> To be fair though the current Con-Dem coalition, has done some sensible things... - Like Prison Reform, Welfare Reform... etc... 14:11 < Ironholds> first, Con-Dem? how funny you are ;p 14:12 < NotASpy> is it Liberal Tories then ? 14:12 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12 < Ironholds> 'coalition'? we don't have several. 14:12 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: Well Liberal-Con didn't sound right 14:12 < Ironholds> second, you might also include not reintroducing the surveillance state, rolling /back/ the old surveillance state, releasing children from indefinite detention, pulling out of Iraq and the Stan... 14:13 < Qcoder00> And not just putiing a certain troublsome cleric on a plane 14:13 < NotASpy> I like HS2. But I do like trains. 14:13 < Ironholds> ooh! 14:13 < Ironholds> raising the tax boundaries. that was nice. 14:13 -!- Rcsprinter [uid8084@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uyfhpgikbjxosrja] has quit [Changing host] 14:13 -!- Rcsprinter [uid8084@wikipedia/Rcsprinter123] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:13 < Qcoder00> HS2 is the wrong project... 14:13 < NotASpy> The tax cut for top rate tax payers was sensible, if misunderstood by vast chunks of the country. 14:14 < NotASpy> ditto the cut in Corporation Tax. 14:14 < Qcoder00> Ironholds: The current Govt also made local authorities open up their spending.... 14:14 < Qcoder00> Not that anyone will be able to understand local authority budgets 14:15 < NotASpy> no, but at least we can see it being spunked away on shite now. 14:15 < Qcoder00> Like translating a document on Pigeons into 11 languages !! 14:16 < NotASpy> instead of having to idly wonder how much of our money they squandered on stupid projects, it's now possible to find out and see quite easily. 14:16 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: Is the WMF budget as a transparent? XD 14:16 < Ironholds> NotASpy: no, I meant 'bottom rate tax payers are now fewer' 14:16 < Ironholds> we raised the brackets. Instead of having to earn N thousand before you pay tax, it's N+ 14:17 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:17 < Qcoder00> I am also expecting the current govt to look at other public funding like Arts... 14:17 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231115099.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:17 < Qcoder00> and Sport... 14:17 < NotASpy> Ironholds: if it wasn't for the fact it would result in mass redundancies at HMRC, minimum wage, working time directive and NI would have been combined to take every minimum wage, 37.5hr per week worker out of the tax system entirely, bar employer NI contribs. 14:18 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:18 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:18 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:18 < Ironholds> sure 14:18 -!- Fleetflame_ [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:18 < Qcoder00> I mean why should public money fund cultural projects that could seek commerical sponsers? 14:19 < Qcoder00> I mean a major arts event like that planned for Wikimania 2014 looks likely to be entirly funded by sponsership 14:19 * Ironholds slaps Qcoder00 14:19 < IRWolfie-> what was the reason for cutting the tax on the richest? 14:19 < Qcoder00> Ironholds: Why the slap? 14:20 < Ironholds> IRWolfie-: if you raise tax too high people tend to evade it. 14:20 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: first, worst communist ever. 14:20 < NotASpy> IRWolfie-: it should, in theory, increase the total tax take. 14:20 < IRWolfie-> Ironholds: then don't raise it :> 14:20 < Ironholds> Second, Wikimania 2014 is almost entirely funded by the WMF turning up and giving a buttload of money to the organisers. 14:20 < Qcoder00> OH OK 14:20 < IRWolfie-> NotASpy: somehow I don't think things will work out that way 14:20 < Qcoder00> (And I was reading some comment that there was a concern about the sheer size of the WM2014 budget) 14:20 < IRWolfie-> Those who refuse to pay tax and can go elsewhere won't be moving back any time soon 14:21 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:21 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Quit: kaldari] 14:21 < NotASpy> IRWolfie-: the figures from the Treasury suggest it will. There's nowhere for tax dodgers to move to. All the major economies and all the British Overseas Territories formerly behaving as tax havens tell HMRC who has what and where now. 14:21 < Ironholds> as of last week, yep. 14:21 < Ironholds> We told the BIOTs that it would probably be a good idea to share info with us 14:22 < Ironholds> while stroking a drooling mastiff. A hungry drooling mastiff. 14:22 < NotASpy> Even Switzerland now tells most of the G20 nations who is hiding what and where. 14:22 < Qcoder00> Does this information sharing also mean they can be told about suspect transactions? 14:22 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:22 < Qcoder00> I mean no bank wants to handle dirty money that's a bad risk right? 14:23 < NotASpy> Hell, they even cut off the Vatican's electronic card processing facilities because they didn't comply with money laundering, and that was in a place that only sells bibles. 14:24 < NotASpy> The problem with top rate tax is that in the real world (i.e out of the way of bankers), lots of top rate tax payers are small and medium business owners, they get hit with an extra 5% tax on their earnings, all they do is take it out of the business. 14:25 < Qcoder00> Previous Labour Governments (prior to 1997) had a super-tax rate, which meant that a lot of really rich people went overseas 14:25 < IRWolfie-> NotASpy: if there is nowhere for the tax dodgers to move to, why would you decrease the tax rate? 14:26 < NotASpy> IRWolfie-: it encourages business owners to invest. Investment equals jobs. Jobs equals more tax. 14:26 -!- Fleetflame_ is now known as Fleetflame 14:26 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:26 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:26 -!- Fleetflame is now known as Fleetflame_ 14:26 < IRWolfie-> NotASpy: How does it encourage business owners to invest? 14:26 -!- Fleetflame_ is now known as Fleetflame 14:27 < NotASpy> oh, and more Jobs equals less benefits. 14:28 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@216.38.130.166] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:28 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@216.38.130.166] has quit [Changing host] 14:28 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:28 < Qcoder00> IRWolfe: By provding them with the capital to make approproate choices 14:28 < IRWolfie-> If you want to encourage investment cut corporate tax 14:29 < Qcoder00> If you want to encourage SME's there needs to be an overhaul of Business rates in general 14:29 < Qcoder00> Currently if you run your own workshop from home , you get hit quite hard...) 14:30 < IRWolfie-> Give rich people more money and I doubt they will invest it back 14:32 -!- thedj [~pjotr@unaffiliated/thedj] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:34 < NotASpy> IRWolfie-: if you own your own business and have, say, a mortgage, car payments etc to keep up etc, you may need to draw, say, £40K and for ease, £16K is tax, so you earn, after tax, £24K. Increase tax by 5% and you now only take home £22K, so you need to draw roughly another £3K. 14:35 -!- mabdul [d9fd5bbf@wikipedia/mabdul] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:37 -!- EvilSon|Alt is now known as EvilSon 14:37 < NotASpy> and yeah, it may not be an ideal or particularly fair society we live in, but give rich people more money in their pocket and they'll generally spend it. That filters down through the economy anyway. 14:37 * Qcoder00 wonders how many economists there are on Wikipedia 14:37 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@pool-72-77-76-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:37 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@unaffiliated/skater-2015/x-9635647] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:37 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: But 'trickledown' as a concept failed.. 14:37 < IRWolfie-> Yep, trickledown is a failure 14:37 < IRWolfie-> it's a very american argument 14:38 < IRWolfie-> Look at their division of wealth 14:38 < IRWolfie-> High personal tax, low corporate tax makes the most sense 14:38 < Qcoder00> However, the Erupean model of beating the rich with a stick until they pay up doesn't work either 14:39 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder00: That would be the french model you mean 14:39 < Qcoder00> And the model used by some pervious Labour governments 14:39 < Qcoder00> *previous 14:40 < NotASpy> the problem now is that both money and jobs are controlled by the same people. If you tax the rich at 95% (1 for you, 19 for me - the lyrics from The Beatles Taxman) they'll bugger off somewhere else. 14:40 < IRWolfie-> NotASpy: you just said they had nowhere to go 14:40 -!- Warhound [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41 < NotASpy> IRWolfie-: they can't hide their money and stay in the UK, but they can move themselves, and possibly their entire businesses, to a lower tax rate country. 14:41 < IRWolfie-> so there is somewhere for tax dodgers to move to. You said there wasn't 14:42 < NotASpy> There's no where for tax dodgers to hide their money, there's nothing to stop them moving completely to a different country, becoming resident in that country and paying the correct rate of tax for that country. 14:43 -!- Dcoetzee [~Dcoetzee@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:43 < MJ94> Any idea when we're going to enact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse#Merging_with_Wikipedia:New_contributors.27_help_page.2Fquestions_-_revisited ? 14:44 < NotASpy> Look at the various people who have moved out of France. Gerald Depardieu has moved to Russia and taken Russian citizenship. That's different to staying in France, but having a shell company based in Moscow through which he is paid for his films. 14:44 < NotASpy> Gerard even. 14:45 < Qcoder00> Didin't Depardieu convert to Islam at one point? 14:46 < NotASpy> The other danger with high personal tax, low corporate tax, is that you get into the realms of people setting up limited companies, invoicing their employer through their own company and paying 20% corporation tax instead of 40% personal tax on their earnings. 14:47 -!- martijnhh [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47 -!- martijnhh [martijnhh@h104217.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:47 -!- martijnhh [martijnhh@h104217.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Changing host] 14:47 -!- martijnhh [martijnhh@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:48 < NotASpy> The company buys a house, leases a car and all sorts as part of employee contractual terms and when you've got a vast sum of money 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So I'm begging ya, please somebody get involved with this mess. 15:54 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has quit [Client Quit] 15:54 < JohnLewis> ChrisGualtieri: Not that again. 15:54 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:54 < ChrisGualtieri> Not again... still. 4 months it has been ongoing x-x 15:54 < NotASpy> ChrisGualtieri: there's no hurry, have patience. 15:55 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:55 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has quit [Client Quit] 15:55 < NotASpy> and I do think the attitude of all parties has contributed to your volunteer going AWAL. 15:56 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:56 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has quit [Client Quit] 15:56 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:57 < ChrisGualtieri> I know its a hot issue, but if Wikipedia is based on policy then these strawman and red herring and other logical fallacies should be easy to deal with. The citing of policy by the two is either patently wrong or worse 15:58 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:58 < ChrisGualtieri> The last argument raised was the lemonade was a redundant fork of lemon and should not be split, despite both articles existing. In all fairness my frustration about being tag-teamed and dragged to ANI 3 times for this is well... annoying 15:58 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:59 -!- D1000|Away is now known as Demiurge1000 16:00 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:00 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:00 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:00 < ChrisGualtieri> I honestly do not know how to respond to the matter, they refactor and alter and change pages and if I don't object they call it silent consensus and work anyways. 16:00 -!- RD [~Ryan@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01 < Susan> Red herring is my favorite type of herring! 16:04 -!- varnent [~varnent@wikimedia/varnent] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:06 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Why? 16:27 -!- FunPika|Away is now known as FunPika 16:28 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:29 < NotASpy> ooh, Lib Dems have lost their deposit in the South Shields by-election, if I've got all the numbers right. 16:29 -!- JohnLewis [~johnlewis@wikimedia/John-F-Lewis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:30 < foks> ouch 16:30 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:31 < NotASpy> 352 votes to Labour's 12,493. 16:31 < foks> thank goodness UKIP didn't win it though 16:31 < foks> oh man, 352 16:31 < foks> that sounds like a lost deposit right enough 16:32 < NotASpy> although it's entirely possible Lib Dems on the ground suggested voting Labour to keep UKIP out of office. 16:32 < foks> Good point 16:33 < Bradford> hi foks ñ_ñ 16:33 < foks> hi 16:34 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:34 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Pharos] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:35 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36 -!- RD [~Ryan@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:36 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:41 < NotASpy> Labour vote is down from 52.0% to 50.7%, Tories down from 21.6% to 11.45%, Lib Dems down from 14.2% to 1.1% and UKIP takes 24%. 16:42 -!- bharris [~bharris@216.38.130.168] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:42 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng_busy 16:43 < NotASpy> I cannot see all of the Lib Dem supporters voting with UKIP, certainly some will have done as UKIP is probably going to be the new alternative protest vote for many, but I suspect the actual redistribution of voters will have been more tactical. 16:44 < mattbuck> I confess, I didn't vote today 16:44 < mattbuck> I knew nothing of the candidates, and am leaving their juristiction next week 16:44 -!- bharris [~bharris@216.38.130.168] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:46 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy UK election? 16:49 < mattbuck> yes 16:49 < mareklug> Qcoder00 I wrote to Apple Legal inquiring about the license status of https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/Antelope%20Canyon.jpg after the wallpaper app people washed their hands of it. 16:50 < mattbuck> I see no antelopes 16:50 < Qcoder00> Good 16:50 < Qcoder00> mareklug: Great :) 16:50 < mareklug> mattbuck but do you see a gorgeous hole in the wall? 16:50 -!- sdamashek is now known as Vacation9_ 16:50 * Qcoder00 wonders if Commons has views of 'THE' BBC Gravel pit 16:51 -!- Vacation9_ is now known as Vacation9 16:51 < mareklug> Qcoder00 you will be pleased that unlike your tribulations with Google, Apple has easily reached web forms for specialized contact, including Apple Legal. 16:51 < mareklug> the only problem is the note they generate after they accept the missive: 16:51 < mattbuck> I don't see any cash machines mareklug 16:51 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:52 < Qcoder00> mareklug: Hmm , I've been meaning to ask Apple if they would allow for the Apple I manual to be on Wikisource ... 16:52 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has quit [Quit: Maryana] 16:52 < Qcoder00> but I doubt it's old enough yet 16:52 < mareklug> write to Apple Legal then! 16:52 < NotASpy> Current opinion polls suggest 35% support for leaving Europe, assuming around 20% voted UKIP purely on their Europe policy, Labour would have lost 2,400 voters, the Tories probably around 1,100 or so, Lib Dems may have lost 800 or so, it looks like UKIP has picked up mainly Euroseptics from all parties, with the remainder of the Lib Dem vote going to Labour to keep UKIP out. 16:52 < Qcoder00> mareklug : Thanks 16:52 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:53 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:53 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:53 < mareklug> Qcoder00 http://www.apple.com/legal/contact/ 16:54 < mareklug> NotASpy are you saying the British opinion polls reveal that your hapless and ever disgruntled poplulation, or the 35% of it that bothered to respond, wishes to joing North America? 16:56 < NotASpy> mareklug: no, they think we should enslave a third of the world's population and rebuild the empire. 16:56 < mareklug> would that involve recolonizing India? 16:57 -!- Jasper_Deng_busy is now known as Jasper_Deng 16:57 -!- Adrianzo [~adrian_ca@186.94.5.78] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:57 < NotASpy> I think they would probably take China in lieu of India, this time. 16:57 < mareklug> if it will improve the quality of outsourced support now operating in that cuntry, I am all for it. 16:57 < mareklug> aw. 16:58 < mareklug> http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/article/Rhode-Island-becomes-10th-state-with-gay-marriage-4481490.php 16:59 < NotASpy> Support for Britain leaving the EU is now running at 34% and dropping monthly. They've maybe clocked that companies like BMW employ lots of people in the UK and to leave the EU would be economic suicide. 17:00 < mareklug> in not too distant future we will have the American War of Secession II, when the fundamentalist, gay marriage-opposed states will form a confederacy and declare independence, per Björk's song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXVlQTC2yB0 17:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy not a suprise 17:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its the only way English will get university education :p 17:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no one can afford them in the UK 17:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> can UK please elect queens crown? 17:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> design is too old 17:01 < mareklug> NotASpy also, lots of Poles in UK. They don't want to lose their mobility. Or is it, motility. 17:02 < MJ94> "xFaze is a Wikipedia user who joined on May 2, 2013. His dream is to become an administrator for Wikipedia." 17:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy people dont realise UK can be a part of EEA but not EU 17:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but thats just giving up leverage 17:02 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: unless the host country or host university pays tuition fees (or has no such fees) then it makes very little difference where a UK student studies, student support is pretty much the same across the EU. 17:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy its cheaper in most of europe 17:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> UK is way overpriced 17:03 < foks> It's free in Scotland 17:03 < foks> wooo 17:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> well ok UK -> England 17:03 < mareklug> foks because it is balance on the backs of poor Englishmen 17:03 < mareklug> balanced * 17:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> foks it takes it to be free for scotish to bother with university :p 17:03 < foks> fuck england, etc 17:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> foks dont fuck england 17:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we dont want that kind of reproduciton! 17:04 -!- rr0|2 [~rr0@110.77.249.195] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:04 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:04 < mareklug> foks it is easy to type that from the rich town of Aberdeen, but most Scotland is piss poor and would just die without UK subsidies 17:04 < foks> man, you don't pick up on sarcasm easily 17:05 < mareklug> not on short snippets without smileys 17:05 < foks> "etc" should have been pretty clear 17:05 < mareklug> fine 17:05 < foks> in any case, I'm a fairly vocal "better together" fan 17:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> foks I thought etc meant oral :p 17:05 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:06 -!- Titoxd_ [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:06 < foks> mainly because I believe the yes vote is fuelled by buckfast and irn bru more than logical rational thought 17:07 < mareklug> foks on a more convivial note, did you know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie%20%28Norwegian%20singer%29 released her first new single/video in 4 years just days ago? 17:07 < foks> I only know "Chewing Gum" 17:07 < foks> assuming that was her 17:08 < NotASpy> I couldn't believe the Scottish Government falling out with Northlink Ferries this week (one of their ferries is out of action). The Scottish Government effectively privatised the service a few months back and gave the contract to an English company. 17:08 < mareklug> yes. there are much better numbers of hers. 17:08 < mareklug> http://anniemelody.com/2013/04/15/new-single-out/ 17:08 < foks> I quite liked Chewing Gum actually 17:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy fairies? 17:09 < mareklug> foks the actual vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vW4pTe0yRAc#action=share 17:11 < foks> mareklug, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTVFQHuIg2I 17:12 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: they broke the crankshaft on one engine. o.o 17:12 -!- Vacation9 is now known as sdamashek 17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what? 17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> link 17:12 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13 < NotASpy> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-22349366 17:14 * SuicidalZerg blinks 17:14 < SuicidalZerg> http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/kentucky-accidential-shooting/index.html 17:14 * SuicidalZerg blinks again 17:14 < NotASpy> oh, and the new operator has been told by German tour companies to change the logo as it looks like a Nazi saluting Hitler. 17:14 < mareklug> foks who is this Betty Who? 17:14 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 17:14 * SuicidalZerg rubs his eyes as he tries to re-read the first paragraph. 17:14 < NotASpy> http://forargyll.com/2013/05/serco-northlink-ferries-now-in-trouble-over-new-logo/ 17:14 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@70-59-199-211.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:14 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@70-59-199-211.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:14 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:14 < foks> mareklug, Sydney-based songstress 17:14 < foks> she's lovely 17:14 < foks> and very pop-y 17:14 < SuicidalZerg> " A Kentucky mother stepped outside of her home just for a few minutes, but it was long enough for her 5-year-old son to accidentally shoot and kill his 2-year-old sister with the .22-caliber rifle he got for his birthday, state officials said." 17:14 < foks> and somehow still sings with a very, very strong accent 17:14 < SuicidalZerg> What in the actual fuck 17:15 < foks> SuicidalZerg, oooold news 17:15 < mareklug> foks interesting. my current crush is Kimbra 17:15 < SigmaWP> Let the DIxie flag fly, SuicidalZerg 17:15 < SuicidalZerg> They gave a 5-year old a GUN for his birthday!? 17:15 < SigmaWP> yeah 17:15 < foks> SuicidalZerg, rural Kentucky, hardly going to be a PS3 17:15 < SigmaWP> How can he have his freedom without it? 17:15 < NotASpy> child must have been quite slow, some families give children guns for third birthdays. 17:16 < SuicidalZerg> wat 17:16 < SuicidalZerg> They certainly don't do that around here... 17:16 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg you may not yet know, but the mother gave the weapon to the kid for his 4th birthday, and it is a gun especially marketed to kids, under the name "My First Rifle" and it has a pastel pink gunstock. 17:16 < NotASpy> and to be fair, many kids in America actually get a gun as a christening present, but that's obviously something they can't use until they're older. 17:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy why not shove a gun into the woumb? 17:17 < SuicidalZerg> But if they did, I would keep it locked up until they're 10 or someshit 17:17 < mattbuck> I can't help but feel that the government should just take all the guns 17:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so many kids die due to gun violence in the woumb 17:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they may have a fighting chance 17:17 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg good point. then he would kill his kid sister at the ripe age of him 10 and her 7. 17:17 < mattbuck> might help raise the political debate a bit once no one could threaten to gun people down anymore 17:17 < NotASpy> but I don't believe there is an age restriction on licences in some areas, so it's possible to register it in the name of the infant. It's the Second Amendment and what America is built on. 17:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy it isnt required to register at all 17:18 < SuicidalZerg> A 5-year old is barely even going to know what a gun is, nevermind how to hold it properly so it doesn't go off accidentally 17:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you can hadn over your gun to anyone 17:18 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:18 -!- TParis [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the permit is to carry the concealed weapon or hunt 17:18 < SuicidalZerg> mattbuck: Good luck with that. 17:19 < SuicidalZerg> There has to be more guns in the US than there are people living on this planet 17:19 -!- lukas23 is now known as lukas|away 17:19 < NotASpy> There are (according to Lord of War) 1 gun for every 10 people on the planet, so somewhere in the region of 600 million firearms. 17:19 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg only if you include our military 17:20 < mattbuck> no SuicidalZerg 17:20 < mattbuck> there are 300 million guns in the us 17:20 < mattbuck> with an ever smaller proportion of people owning them 17:20 < SuicidalZerg> 300 million that are accounted for. 17:20 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:20 -!- _anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:20 < SuicidalZerg> It wouldn't surprise me if there were that many that nobody else knew about 17:20 < mattbuck> I'm fairly sure the info on that is from census returns and stuff 17:21 -!- thedj [~pjotr@unaffiliated/thedj] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:21 < mattbuck> it may be a bit more than 300million, but it's in that region 17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SuicidalZerg umm ratio-wise US is high 17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> number of guns in terms of earths populution, no 17:21 < NotASpy> There are 556 handgun owners in Scotland, assuming some with just one hand gun and some with 3 or 4, a reasonable guess is around 1200 handguns in Scotland. 17:22 < mattbuck> the us is the only country that gets near a 1:1 population:guns ratio 17:22 < mattbuck> I think 2nd best is yemen and that's about 2:1 17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mattbuck not true 17:22 < SuicidalZerg> Census returns? 17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh you mean an actual ratio 17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fair enough 17:22 < SuicidalZerg> Do you really think people are that honest? 17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SuicidalZerg to be honest people are more likely to exagarate 17:22 < mattbuck> SuicidalZerg, I think that most people are, yes 17:23 < mattbuck> the proportion who aren;t is fairly small 17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> in the US people own armories 17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people either own no guns or many guns 17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> which should be more distressing 17:24 < NotASpy> 1.8m guns legally held in the UK, apparently. 17:24 < mattbuck> that's what, 33:1 17:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy bear in mind some people hold historic guns that cant actually shoot 17:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they are registered as firearms 17:25 < NotASpy> mattbuck: yes, somewhere in that region. 17:26 < NotASpy> The vast majority are either shotguns or rifles, with rural areas having higher levels of gun ownership. There's only 900 guns registered in Merseyside, for example. 17:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy whats to the side of Merseyside? 17:27 < mattbuck> the mersey 17:28 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: Lancashire, Cheshire (both rural) and further away, but easily reached in an hour or so, bits of Yorkshire, Northumberland and the likes. It wouldn't be far to travel for hunting or clay pigeon shooting. 17:31 < mareklug> mattbuck the correct answer would be, the neighborhood that fears Merseyside 17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy hmm 17:31 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Quit: User has quit this network.] 17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so Merseyside itself is pretty rural then? 17:32 < NotASpy> derelict would be a more accurate description. It's the area that includes Liverpool. 17:34 < mattbuck> when you drive in one side, you're lucky if you come out the other with 4 wheels 17:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hah 17:35 -!- _anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:36 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why do people own so many guns in the UK? 17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd think it was a disamred land 17:37 < foks> because rifle ranges exist 17:37 -!- Titoxd_ [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:37 -!- YE is now known as YE|AFK 17:40 -!- Titoxd_ [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:40 -!- Bradford is now known as Bradicardia 17:40 < Demiurge1000> Not entirely disarmed. But in other measures of civilisation, it is proceedingly reasonably well 17:41 -!- Bradicardia is now known as Bradford 17:41 -!- zz_Nascar1996 is now known as nas 17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> foks so guns dont leave ranges? 17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Demiurge1000 I can understand why UKians wanted guns 17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nazi invasion and all 17:42 < Demiurge1000> they can do. In locked boxes and such 17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but it isnt a requirement? 17:42 < foks> They certainly don't get handed to five-year-olds for their birthdays 17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> in germany thats kind of the rule 17:42 < Demiurge1000> what nazi invasion? Don't you mean a zombie invasion? 17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nazi -> soviet -> zombie 17:42 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@unaffiliated/skater-2015/x-9635647] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh! 17:43 < Demiurge1000> History proves that Nazis, Soviets, and zombies, all can't swim the English Channel 17:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nazi -> soviet -> pokémon -> zombie 17:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> pokémon can swim if they know surf 17:43 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Quit: kaldari] 17:43 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:44 < haggis> mareklug: nope 17:44 < haggis> wouldn't get it. 17:45 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:45 < mareklug> haggis you can't build that box dor 2k on your own, so. 17:45 < mareklug> for 17:46 < haggis> i'll 3D print my desktop. 17:47 < mareklug> whatever. 17:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> haggis one day you'll be able to 3d print your cpu 17:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and enjoy running out of ink when it is almost done 17:47 < haggis> lol... 17:47 < haggis> ink 17:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure, future CPUs may use graphite over gold 17:48 < haggis> pirating becomes so much more powerful with a 3D printer. 17:48 -!- Titoxd_ [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:48 < haggis> it's amazing 17:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> haggis if you are pirating dildos 17:48 < haggis> o_O 17:48 < mareklug> Demiurge1000 the last people who could were the Spanish and they left lovely dark-eyed lass genes called Black Irish behind 17:51 -!- Dragonfly6-7 [~test@65.92.107.125] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:53 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@12.152.53.220] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:54 -!- LtNOWIS2 [~Simon@12.152.53.220] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:55 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:56 < Bradford> Hahc21: o/ 17:56 -!- pakaran_ [~pakaran@74.46.64.102] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:56 < haggis> do they use 3D printing in space? 17:57 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58 -!- LtNOWIS [~Simon@12.152.53.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:59 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 17:59 < mareklug> http://www.apple.com/itunes/50-billion-app-countdown/ 17:59 < mareklug> haggis imagine yourself witha 10,000 USD Apple Store gift card. 18:00 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Heligoland] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:01 -!- Ironholds is now known as IH|away 18:02 < haggis> mareklug: might be able to buy a bottom-line Mac :-P 18:02 < mareklug> bottom-line does not mean what you think it means 18:03 < mareklug> this is the only meaning that could make sense: 3. the most important or fundamental aspect of a situation 18:03 < mareklug> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bottom+line 18:03 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 18:03 -!- kelapstick [ca83e93b@wikipedia/Kelapstick] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:05 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:06 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06 < haggis> mareklug: what would someone do with an App Store gift card? 18:07 -!- Bradford [kvirc@181-183-37-234.genericrev.telcel.net.ve] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:07 < haggis> At least it'd be useful if the person could use it at an Apple Store... but $10000 worth of apps? 18:07 < haggis> Ew 18:07 < mareklug> haggis have you been to Apple Store? Do you know what is there? 18:07 -!- Bradford is now known as Guest54250 18:07 < jorm> guys, can we talk about how fucking bummed i am that jeff hanneman died? 18:08 < foks> I had literally never heard of him until you posted about him on Facebook. 18:09 -!- nas is now known as pingsareannoying 18:09 -!- pingsareannoying is now known as Nascar1996 18:10 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:10 < jorm> you've heard of slayer, though, right? 18:10 -!- LtNOWIS2 [~Simon@12.152.53.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:10 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:11 < foks> Barely. 18:11 < foks> A friend has their poster on his bedroom wall. 18:11 < jorm> augh, kids these days. 18:12 < jorm> listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msIL-9r2HGM 18:12 < jorm> it is a *perfect album* 18:12 -!- Jayflux [~jay_knows@unaffiliated/jayflux] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12 < jorm> this album is the reason the music you like exists. and i'm not kidding. 18:13 < foks> ick 18:13 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:13 < jorm> Most of the best albums of the past 25 years were produced by a man named Rick Rubin. 18:13 < foks> I probably don't own any of them 18:14 < foks> Well, let's see 18:14 < jorm> in 1985, he produced two albums that were released in 1986 that changed the face of popular music *forever*: Reign in Blood and License to Ill. 18:14 < jorm> After that, music was indelibly changed. Even albums not produced by him have attempted to imitate his style and sound. 18:15 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15 < jorm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin_production_discography 18:15 < mareklug> Apple Store, haggis indee not hardware, still: "Prizes. One (1) First Prize Winner will receive one (1) Gift Card for credit in an amount equal to USD $10,000, and fifty (50) Additional Prize Winners will each receive one (1) Gift Card for credit in an amount equal to USD $500, redeemable in the iTunes Store, App Store, and iBookstore, as available in the country in which the applicable winner is located. Total US Retail Value of all 18:15 < mareklug> prizes is $35,000.00." 18:15 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:15 < foks> jorm, that is what I'm reading 18:15 < jorm> Oh, yeah, he also produced Run DMC's "Raising Hell" in 1986. 18:15 < mattbuck> sounds pretty crap to me mareklug 18:16 < mareklug> "[20:13:24] <jorm> Most of the best albums of the past 25 years were produced by a man named Rick Rubin." <-- jorm this must be in a very narrow spectrum, this "most/best" 18:16 < jorm> he rebuilt johnny cash's career from nothing. 18:16 < foks> I don't really like Johnny Cash, to be honest 18:16 < mattbuck> not a solitary man? 18:16 < foks> Out of that whole list I'm actually struggling to find a single album I like 18:16 < mareklug> mattbuck I am sure you would take it 18:17 < mattbuck> if I could sell it, sure 18:17 < Moe_Epsilon> Adrianzo: stay out of my private messages 18:17 < mattbuck> but I refuse on principle to buy apple products 18:17 < mattbuck> they're a cult 18:17 -!- ILiketoWatch [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:18 < mattbuck> on an unrelated note, I have now completed upload to commons of my 2012 photos :) 18:18 < foks> heh, JT's on there 18:18 < Adrianzo> Moe_Epsilon: .I. ¬¬ 18:18 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18 < foks> Anyway... 18:18 < foks> night! 18:18 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Quit: zz] 18:18 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:19 < Moe_Epsilon> Adrianzo: I also understand Spanish, so cursing at me in Spanish is quite dumb 18:19 < mareklug> jorm I must say I concur with foks on this one. I hardly see anything I would consider best on this list. Where is Patti Smith, where are The Smiths, where is Steve Hackett, where is Pink Floyd, where is Robert Fripp? 18:19 < haggis> mareklug: that's useless if you ask me,... 18:19 -!- pakaran_ is now known as pakaran 18:19 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@74.46.64.102] has quit [Changing host] 18:19 -!- pakaran [~pakaran@wikipedia/pakaran] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:19 < haggis> I suppose you could sell it for $9,000 :-P 18:19 < mareklug> haggis i am sure you would never pay for a book, for example 18:20 < jorm> philistines. 18:20 < haggis> I only like paper books. 18:20 < jorm> also, i said "in the past 25 years" 18:21 < mareklug> well even so. Nearly all the music I like from the past 25 years nicely skirts this ouvre. 18:21 < Adrianzo> Moe_Epsilon: I never cursed Animal 18:21 < Moe_Epsilon> <Adrianzo> Andate a la Mierda 18:21 < Adrianzo> Moe_Epsilon eso no es maldecir 18:21 < haggis> mareklug: 3D print penrose stairs :O 18:22 < Moe_Epsilon> -_- whatever, fool. 18:22 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@208.87.217.46] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:22 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@208.87.217.46] has quit [Changing host] 18:22 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:23 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:23 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:23 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:23 < mattbuck> no radiohead? 18:23 < mattbuck> no muse 18:23 < mattbuck> no coldplay 18:23 < mattbuck> no conway twitty 18:23 < mattbuck> (he is still alive, right?) 18:24 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|away 18:27 < jorm> i could never get into radiohead, coldplay, or muse. 18:27 < jorm> they just seemed a bit too. . . whiney for me. 18:27 < jorm> my wife loves conway twitty. 18:28 < mareklug> that would include Kate Bush, Marina and the Diamonds, Kimbra, Hey, The Dø, Buffalo Daughter, KT Tunstall, Amanda Jenssen, Lily Allen, Portishead/Beth Gibbons, Björk, Beth Orton, Brazilian Girls, dawn Landes, Týr, Garbage, Metric, Neko Case, The Moldy Peaches, St. Vincent or Sufjan Stevens 18:28 < mareklug> my 25 year's worth of best 18:28 < mareklug> years' 18:29 < mareklug> I censored myself and excluded Avirl Lavigne :) 18:29 < mareklug> Avril 18:30 < mattbuck> of those albums, I own... 18:30 -!- Hello71 [~Hello71@wikipedia/Hello71] has quit [Quit: Hello71] 18:30 < mattbuck> none of them 18:31 < mareklug> and I agree on the douchebags (erm, radiohead, coldplay, muse, etc.) 18:31 < mareklug> mattbuck you don't have any kate bush? 18:31 < mattbuck> of your list, I like marina, lily, orton 18:31 < mattbuck> my dad half likes her, I think she has some occasional good songs, but mostly produces shit 18:32 < mareklug> mattbuck i bet you have not heard dawn or Brazilian Girls 18:32 < mattbuck> nope 18:32 < mattbuck> oh, and avril 18:32 < mareklug> or neko case 18:32 < mattbuck> no 18:32 < mareklug> or amanda 18:33 < mattbuck> no 18:33 < mareklug> or sufjan stevens 18:33 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:34 < mattbuck> no 18:34 < mareklug> so basically, you have not heard of or heard 85% of what I mentioned. :) 18:34 < mattbuck> APPARENTLY NOT 18:34 < mareklug> so you are rather hardly in a position to entertain an informed opinion, shall we concede? 18:35 < mattbuck> to say what of your list I like? I'm perfectly informed 18:35 < mattbuck> I need to have listened to something to like it 18:35 < mattbuck> or to dislike 18:35 < mattbuck> except in exceptional circumstances 18:35 < mareklug> i will also contest the "kate bush made mostly shit" opinion. how many albums of kate bush do you actually know? 18:36 < mattbuck> eg bieber 18:36 < mattbuck> she lost me when she did the washing machines one 18:36 < MJ94> mareklug: do you ever sleep 18:36 < mareklug> what washing machines one? 18:36 < mareklug> i sleep when you sleep 18:36 < mareklug> MJ94 you did get the 12 inches of snow I sent you? 18:37 < MJ94> yes. 18:37 < mattbuck> you claimed it was 12 18:37 < mareklug> it is damn 12. 18:37 < mattbuck> but it was actually more like 5 18:37 < mareklug> Duluth suffers from the so-called lake effect 18:37 < mareklug> it was 5 only 20 miles inland 18:37 < MJ94> mareklug: where abouts do you live? 18:37 < mareklug> Chicago 18:37 < MJ94> Ah, 18:38 < MJ94> Hi neighbor, kinda sorta. 18:38 < mareklug> kinda sorta. also, I've been to your town. 18:38 < MJ94> Nice! 18:38 -!- Nascar1996 is now known as zz_Nascar1996 18:38 < MJ94> It's 35 degrees right now 18:38 < mareklug> htere was a bigass iron ore ship moored to the port dock. and i went to the park that juts into the lake 18:39 < MJ94> park point? 18:39 < MJ94> :P 18:39 < mareklug> yup 18:39 < MJ94> yeah, we get ships 18:39 < MJ94> we have a lake, too 18:39 < mareklug> it's a very nice lake. nicest of the 5. six if you count the Bay as its own lake. :) 18:40 < MJ94> :) 18:40 < MJ94> I'm gonna go do homework. Later, mareklug :) 18:40 < mareklug> later 18:41 < mattbuck> in ball poland, homework can into you 18:46 -!- 14WAARBAE [ScottStein@2001:470:1f07:b60:2856:c0a9:d317:867d] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:46 -!- 21WAAILBK [~ScottStei@2001:470:1f07:b60:2856:c0a9:d317:867d] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:47 -!- 14WAARBAE [ScottStein@2001:470:1f07:b60:2856:c0a9:d317:867d] has quit [Client Quit] 18:47 -!- 21WAAILBK is now known as ScottSteiner 18:47 -!- Guest54250 is now known as Bradford 18:47 -!- Bradford [kvirc@181-183-37-234.genericrev.telcel.net.ve] has quit [Changing host] 18:47 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:52 -!- Bradford is now known as GabrielGonzalez 18:53 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:53 < mareklug> mattbuck just released http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KT%20Tunestall she is Scots. http://www.vevo.com/watch/kt-tunstall/feel-it-all/GBUV71300489 18:56 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@pool-72-77-76-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:56 -!- AndroSon [~yaaic@pool-72-77-76-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:56 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@pool-72-77-76-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:56 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@unaffiliated/skater-2015/x-9635647] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:57 -!- AndroSon [~yaaic@pool-72-77-76-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:57 -!- AndroSon [~yaaic@unaffiliated/skater-2015/x-9635647] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:58 -!- GabrielGonzalez is now known as Bradford 18:58 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:58 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@wikipedia/mkdw] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:01 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:03 -!- AndroSon [~yaaic@unaffiliated/skater-2015/x-9635647] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 19:04 -!- Izhidez is now known as Izawayz 19:08 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:08 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:08 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:09 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Quit: :D] 19:10 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10 < IShadowed> I return 19:10 < mareklug> do we get 5 cents for you? 19:10 < mareklug> as in deposit 19:11 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@wikipedia/mkdw] has left #wikipedia-en ["Leaving"] 19:13 < IShadowed> no 19:13 < mattbuck> too bad 19:13 < mattbuck> guess we'll have to scribble all over you then 19:14 < mareklug> IShadowed if you were an Iowa vessel, we would get even ten cents 19:14 < IShadowed> k 19:16 -!- Swob [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:17 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: GorillaWarfare] 19:18 < Swob> i love the mIRC logo 19:18 < Swob> http://www.mirc.com/images/indexlogo.gif 19:18 -!- YE|AFK is now known as YE 19:18 < Swob> the happy face doesnt even look much like a C anymore, its just a guy who's happy to be online chatting 19:18 * Jasper_Deng would use mIRC if it were free 19:18 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 19:19 * SigmaWP would use windows if it were free and someone good with low level computing fixed it and made it unix compliant 19:19 < Swob> it's totally worth it for someone like me. I've paid $25 for 14 years of mIRC 19:19 < Swob> that's like half a cent per day 19:19 < mareklug> Swob why has every logo design these days have to be an emetic? Good design is out the window, welcome to kawaii. 19:19 < Swob> I can see someone who hasnt been on IRC for aaaaages not seeing the value though 19:20 < Swob> the older logo was more C-like 19:20 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 19:20 < mareklug> link me the old logo, pls 19:20 < Swob> like the C was a Pacman 19:21 < Swob> cant really find it 19:21 < Swob> http://farm1.staticflickr.com/2/1639484_81854927ec.jpg <--- sort of like that 19:21 < Swob> it looks uglier scaled up, I guess 19:21 < MJ94> Swob: please no mirc 19:21 < MJ94> save yourself 19:22 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:22 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 19:22 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:22 -!- Vito_ [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:22 < Swob> dude. 14 years 19:22 < Swob> thats half my life 19:22 < Swob> Im firmly wedded to my chocie now 19:22 < MJ94> You've been IRCing almost my whole life 19:22 < Swob> Ive tried other IRC clients, sure, some of them are good, such as XChat, but not quite as good imo 19:22 < Swob> I used XChat when I was on Linux 19:22 < MJ94> Swob: Textual <3 19:22 -!- Vito [~quassel@unaffiliated/vito] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:22 < closedmouth> mareklug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMTRk57ItvQ 19:24 < mareklug> closedmouth it is still too Bieber to be properly ambient 19:24 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25 < mareklug> needs more wasabi 19:25 < closedmouth> i was surprised how much i liked the effect it had on the song 19:25 < closedmouth> so washed out and spacey 19:25 -!- Writ_Keeper [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Writ-Keeper] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:26 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|iPad 19:26 < Writ_Keeper> yo, legoktm, any word on the bug front? 19:26 < Writ_Keeper> and/or kaldari, now that i see he's here too 19:26 < Writ_Keeper> and yeah this should probably be in -tech, but whatever, sue me 19:27 < legoktm> hey 19:27 < kaldari> been working on bugs for the last 4 days, any in particular? 19:27 -!- Demiurge1000 is now known as D1000|Away 19:27 < legoktm> Writ_Keeper: Krenair uploaded a patchset 19:27 < legoktm> kaldari: the hasmsg one 19:27 < legoktm> maybe you can review it? 19:27 < kaldari> Oh yeah, I saw that 19:27 < kaldari> haven't had a chance to look at it yet 19:27 < kaldari> but saw it on Gerrit 19:27 < Writ_Keeper> k, no worries 19:28 < Writ_Keeper> more people are running into problems with my cookie hack 19:28 < Writ_Keeper> so it'd be nice to have 19:28 * kaldari nod 19:28 < legoktm> Writ_Keeper: well you can use the echo api! 19:28 < legoktm> lemme get you the command 19:28 < mareklug> closedmouth I went to the original song to have a point of reference. I hope this will not cause YouTube to spam me with Bieber 19:28 < Writ_Keeper> how? the echo API i saw in the autodoc looked pretty barebones... 19:28 < Writ_Keeper> has it changed? 19:28 < legoktm> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=notifications¬prop=count&format=jsonfm 19:29 < kaldari> yeah, I deployed a couple Echo Api fixes today 19:29 < legoktm> if that number >=1, display the bar 19:29 < legoktm> of course, not all notifications are talk page messages 19:29 < Writ_Keeper> yeah, I know that, but that catches non-talkpage notifications 19:29 < Writ_Keeper> yeah 19:29 < kaldari> we need to add a filtering parameter 19:29 < kaldari> for types 19:29 < legoktm> Writ_Keeper: ok well theres another option 19:29 < legoktm> you could 19:29 < Swob> so the orange bar comes on when there's 2 or more notifications?" 19:30 < legoktm> get https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=notifications&format=jsonfm 19:30 < legoktm> check if there are any "edit-user-talk" that dont have a 'read' key 19:30 < kaldari> the type is actually recorded as a data attribute in each notification's HTML that you can pull with the list prop, but that would probably require some regex messiness 19:30 < Writ_Keeper> yeah 19:31 < Writ_Keeper> okay, when I was trying that API query the other day, it was giving me an error 19:31 < kaldari> that should be fixed now 19:31 < kaldari> on the XML side 19:32 < Writ_Keeper> I assume there's also a mark-read API call? 19:32 < legoktm> Writ_Keeper: yes. 19:32 < kaldari> yeah 19:32 < Writ_Keeper> okay, cool 19:32 < Writ_Keeper> I think I can work with that then, thanks 19:32 < legoktm> you pass the ids to the notmarkread parameter 19:33 < kaldari> sorry the API is pretty weak at the moment 19:33 < kaldari> we had big plans for it, but only 2 devs and a short deadline :( 19:34 < kaldari> we just got another dev though, which will help 19:34 < kaldari> ebernhardson 19:34 < kaldari> aka Erik2 19:35 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:35 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:36 -!- IShadowed_ is now known as IShadowed 19:39 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:40 < MJ94> hey Writ_Keeper 19:40 < MJ94> have a good night, all! 19:40 -!- sdamashek [~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9] has quit [Quit: sleep] 19:41 < haggis> MJ94: you leaving? 19:41 < kaldari> Writ_Keeping: looks like you should be able to pull the type from XML now. Forgot it was in the attributes. No regex required :) 19:42 < MJ94> haggis: for the night, I have a big project due tomorrow…to start 19:42 < kaldari> oops, Writ_Keeper 19:42 < haggis> and you haven't started? Nice. 19:42 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 19:42 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 19:42 < haggis> I have a biology exam and a story to write >_< 19:42 < kaldari> Writ_Keeper: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=xml&meta=notifications¬format=flyout¬limit=3¬prop=index|list|count 19:42 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:43 < haggis> ermahgerd1 19:43 < haggis> Hazard-SJ! </bombard> 19:44 -!- Adrianzo [~adrian_ca@186.94.5.78] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:45 * Hazard-SJ says hello to haggis too 19:48 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 19:51 < haggis> Hazard-SJ: All downloaded? 19:53 < Hazard-SJ> Yes, I believe so 19:53 < Hazard-SJ> 3650505 for commons 19:54 < Hazard-SJ> haggis: I actually get results now :P 19:54 < haggis> ERMAHGERD <3 19:54 < haggis> Now... can we do anything with them... yet? 19:55 < Hazard-SJ> The first is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1930s_vibrated_concrete.jpg but it has {{KeepLocal}} on it >:( 19:56 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 19:56 < Hazard-SJ> I'd have to either check all via api or do another join to the text table on enwiki_p to try to exclude those 19:58 * Hazard-SJ sighs the second is also KeepLocal 19:59 < mareklug> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/03/us-korea-north-usa-report-idUSBRE94200Z20130503 "North Korea's continuing development of nuclear technology and long-range ballistic missiles will move it closer to its stated goal of being able to hit the United States with an atomic weapon, a new Pentagon report to Congress said on Thursday." 20:00 < Swob> yeah 20:00 < Swob> but at least it's only going to hit the West Coast 20:00 < Swob> the West Coast is just basically a buffer area anyway 20:00 < mareklug> it's not going to hit. 20:00 < Swob> all the important cities are east of hte Mississippi 20:01 < mareklug> especially the city on Kennebunk 20:01 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:02 < Swob> oh right, i should never have said 'cities' 20:02 < Swob> cities are expendable. Real people live in the countryside. Silly me 20:02 < mareklug> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/02/entertainment-us-slayer-jeffhanneman-idUSBRE9411DJ20130502 "Slayer heavy metal guitarist Jeff Hanneman dead at 49" 20:02 < mareklug> liver failure, they said 20:02 -!- arbye [~arbye@subs15-223-255-231-94.three.co.id] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:03 < haggis> Hazard-SJ: Hm, can we skip keeplocal but keep them on a list? 20:03 -!- arbye [~arbye@subs15-223-255-231-94.three.co.id] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05 < haggis> Honestly I think the {{keeplocal}} tag is rubbish. 20:05 < mareklug> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/25/roundup-health-study-idUSL2N0DC22F20130425?feedName=OutloudFeed&feedType=RSS "Heavy use of herbicide Roundup linked to health dangers-U.S. study" <-- so who do you believe, Monsanto or MIT? 20:06 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:06 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:06 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:06 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:06 -!- Guest18091 [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:06 -!- Guest18091 [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:07 -!- Bazinga [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:07 < Bazinga> hallo 20:09 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:10 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Quit: kaldari] 20:11 < mareklug> russavia http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/22/us-space-rocket-idUSBRE93G18V20130422 "New U.S. rocket blasts off from Virginia launch pad" 20:12 -!- ILiketoWatch [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has left #wikipedia-en ["Don't put off to tomorrow, what can easily be put off to later in the week"] 20:12 < mareklug> Virginia can into space. and soon we won't buy the Russian rockets anymore. 20:12 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:17 < mareklug> Swob http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/02/new-pics-show-off-berlin-apple-store-interior-ahead-of-launch-fans-lining-up Berlin can into Apple Store finally. "There are reportedly 200 Apple employees on hand at the store from 20 nationalities, with 12 different languages spoken between them. " 20:17 -!- cesarb [~cesarb@200.157.204.20] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:17 < mareklug> so it is basically the Apple Store for the rest of Europe and points southeast 20:17 -!- cesarb [~cesarb@200.157.204.20] has quit [Changing host] 20:17 -!- cesarb [~cesarb@wikipedia/cesarb] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:18 -!- Dcoetzee [kvirc@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:18 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:19 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:20 < addihockey10> mareklug: you've gotta admit though $10000 worth of apps/music is a pretty shitty prize 20:20 -!- heinrich5991 [hein5991@unaffiliated/heinrich5991] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:20 < mareklug> addihockey10 it is shittier than if it were store credit, yes. 20:20 < mareklug> btw, read my link above (you are logged in as haggis ) 20:20 < mareklug> read the comments especially. they are a riot. 20:20 < addihockey10> Link again plz 20:21 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:21 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:21 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:21 < addihockey10> Haggis is offline atm 20:21 < mareklug> addihockey10 22:17:09] <mareklug> Swob http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/02/new-pics-show-off-berlin-apple-store-interior-ahead-of-launch-fans-lining-up Berlin can into Apple Store finally. "There are reportedly 200 Apple employees on hand at the store from 20 nationalities, with 12 different languages spoken between them. " so it is basically the Apple Store for the rest of Europe and points southeast 20:22 -!- Swob is now known as {soap|bed} 20:22 -!- heinrich5991 [hein5991@unaffiliated/heinrich5991] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:23 < addihockey10> Good old deutscheland 20:24 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Quit: !] 20:24 < {soap|bed}> hm 20:24 < addihockey10> Do you know how funny it would be if during a product unveiling the software glitches :P 20:25 < {soap|bed}> 200 employees for one store 20:25 < mareklug> and they will make hand over fist, too. 20:26 < mareklug> and since this is EU, they are decently paid and have all the benefits 20:26 * MJ94 bites addihockey10 20:26 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 20:26 -!- {soap|bed} [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 20:26 < addihockey10> Mj94 gross 20:27 < MJ94> edible 20:27 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:28 < mareklug> addihockey10 http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/02/rare-apple-1-to-be-auctioned-off-this-month-for-expected-261k-to-392k <-- any windows machine like that? :) 20:32 < mareklug> addihockey10 you said something ignorant yesterday about Bluetooth on iPhone being only good for playing music? http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/157299/first-look-bluebulbs-iphone-controlled-led-bulb-looks-to-kill-light-switches "Unlike the Philips hue light bulb, which is controlled over Wi-Fi via a wireless gateway, BlueBulb uses energy-sipping Bluetooth 4.0 technology to make a direct connection with an Apple iOS device. For now, 20:32 < mareklug> support is limited to the iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, third and fourth-generation iPads, and the iPad mini. A free app is already available in the App Store, which offers a fairly deep feature set with support for color changing, individual control over the white and color LEDs and sleep/wake timers." 20:35 * Hazard-SJ wonders whether to ping addihockey10, Bazinga, or haggis :S 20:35 < eeekster> why wonder? 20:36 * Hazard-SJ doesn't know 20:36 < eeekster> so you can wonder about wondering 20:37 < Bazinga> Hazard-SJ: Ping Bazinga 20:37 -!- thedj [~pjotr@unaffiliated/thedj] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:37 < Bazinga> mareklug: that's so pointless. 20:37 -!- cesarb [~cesarb@wikipedia/cesarb] has left #wikipedia-en ["Ex-Chat"] 20:37 -!- Steven_Zhang [cb2352ab@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:38 < Steven_Zhang> legoktm: poke 20:38 -!- mareklug is now known as addihockey10_ 20:38 < legoktm> hi 20:38 < addihockey10_> ping addihockey10_ 20:38 -!- addihockey10_ is now known as mareklug 20:38 * Jasper_Deng left Bazinga a message on addihockey10 20:38 < Bazinga> ok 20:38 < Bazinga> wtf 20:39 < MJ94> Bazinga! 20:39 < mareklug> addihockey10 your addihockey10_ is not protected, or the protection kicks in with a delay, you turkey. 20:39 < Bazinga> mareklug: I don't care. 20:39 < mareklug> Bazinga you also are all wet when it comes to that cool bulb. 20:40 < Bazinga> it's a light bulb that changes colours... not too special. 20:40 < mareklug> basically you say that b/c they did not bother (yet) to make an Android app 20:40 < Bazinga> if there was an android app I still wouldn't use it :-P 20:40 < mareklug> typical Android user condition. no fucking software. 20:41 < mareklug> another typical Android user condition: software with malware in it. 20:41 < mareklug> yet another typical Android user condition: phone makers who ship stale Android versions and never update them (on time or ever) 20:41 < Steven_Zhang> mbping 20:41 < Steven_Zhang> hm 20:43 < Bazinga> I don't buy a phone to turn on a light. 20:43 < mareklug> Bazinga you don't. but the phone / os should not stop those who do wanna. 20:43 < Bazinga> Anybody can code an app that does that. 20:44 < Bazinga> No one wants to because it's useless. 20:44 < mareklug> i don't think so. this another stoooooooooooooopid addihockey10 assertion from the cycle of everybody can use torrents and everbody can do DNS 20:44 < mareklug> except exponentially more stoooooooooopid 20:45 < Jasper_Deng> at least not factorially more stupid 20:45 < mareklug> no, at least not. 20:45 < mareklug> but exponentially is fast enough 20:47 < Bazinga> mareklug: have fun with your light. 20:47 < mareklug> I already have an LED screwin lightbulb. had one for years. I am an early adopter. :) 20:48 < Bazinga> what use is a colour-changing light? 20:48 < Jasper_Deng> does it have an IPv6 address, mareklug? 20:48 < mareklug> nope, it has a place on my table. 20:48 < mareklug> oh, it is a touch to switch on off thing, so it gets switched on every now and then when I brush against it 20:48 < Bazinga> Who honestly wants to be the guy who sits around and dicks around on their phone changing the colour/brightness of a lightbulb. 20:48 < Bazinga> Not my thing :-P 20:48 < mareklug> girls dig it 20:48 < mareklug> I am sure they do 20:49 < mareklug> girls like funny colors 20:49 < Jasper_Deng> Bazinga: in today's world, someone wants anything 20:49 * Jasper_Deng wonders if mareklug and Bazinga have seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2057_%28TV_series%29 20:50 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Quit: kaldari] 20:50 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng haven't watched but I do have discovery channel on my excuse of a cable tv service, so never say never 20:50 < Bazinga> Jasper_Deng: is it on TPB? 20:50 < Jasper_Deng> TPB=? 20:51 < mareklug> Bazinga watch it buddy, or the Royal Pain in the Ass Horsie Mounted Police will come knocking at your door. 20:51 < mareklug> the pirate's bay, the latest feature of North Korean IT 20:52 < Jasper_Deng> I'm guessing that mareklug and legoktm are going to predict that the "operating system" mentioned in that article will be a Linux kernel 20:52 < Bazinga> mareklug: get your facts straight. those are only for small towns 20:53 < mareklug> I always thought 'too to be a small town. but… meh 20:53 < mareklug> toon 20:53 < Bazinga> macs. 20:53 < Bazinga> the floppy disc of the 2000's 20:54 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng the linux kernel is problematic because it bloatedly tries to provision every known architecture, video card and device known to man woman addihockey10 and child 20:54 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55 < Steven_Zhang> who here 20:55 < Steven_Zhang> does peer reviews 20:55 < mareklug> I do pear reviews. 20:55 < mareklug> lately, I have 5 stars to bartlett 20:55 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:56 -!- ty [ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 20:56 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:56 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:58 < Steven_Zhang> no one wants a cookie\ 21:00 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang a hint: start offering those frozen mini-éclairs that you can buy a whole boatload for 4.99 or sometimes 3.99 at Aldi's. They are >>>>>>>> cookies 21:00 < Steven_Zhang> i just want a peer review, lol 21:01 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@208.87.217.46] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:01 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@208.87.217.46] has quit [Changing host] 21:01 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:01 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Client Quit] 21:05 -!- Bazinga [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06 < addihockey10> Penis 21:07 < addihockey10> Steven link meh to your article 21:08 < Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_(TV_series) 21:08 < Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_(TV_series)) 21:08 < Steven_Zhang> :P 21:08 < Steven_Zhang> or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Logan 21:08 < legoktm> Steven_Zhang: have you seen https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q24 ? 21:09 < Steven_Zhang> nope 21:09 < legoktm> click the link then! 21:09 < Steven_Zhang> id rather a peer review on martha logan 21:10 < Steven_Zhang> since it's probably easier to get featured 21:10 < legoktm> click! 21:10 < legoktm> click! 21:10 < Steven_Zhang> i did :P\ 21:10 < SigmaWP> mareklug: What's kurwa? 21:10 -!- Maryana [~Maryana@wikipedia/Accedie] has quit [Quit: Maryana] 21:10 < SigmaWP> As seen in polandballs 21:10 < mareklug> whore. 21:10 < addihockey10> Steven zhang pretty good... Just make it flow easier... Especially in the second and fourth sections. 21:10 < mareklug> but more to the point it functions as fuck 21:11 < SigmaWP> ah, thanks 21:11 < Steven_Zhang> what about martha logan 21:11 < mareklug> np 21:11 < Steven_Zhang> i dare not ask malleus 21:11 < addihockey10> Haven't looked at it yet... 21:11 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang aren't there enough real Marthas for you to bio? 21:11 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@d207-216-143-248.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:11 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@d207-216-143-248.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:11 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@wikipedia/mkdw] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:12 < addihockey10> Let me boot up 21:12 < mareklug> 18th reverence in Martha is borked 21:13 < Steven_Zhang> hmm 21:13 < Steven_Zhang> let me see 21:14 < mareklug> i tried to fix it 21:15 < mareklug> is this what you had in mind? |title="24" still shocks (SPOILER ALERT) TV Blog 21:15 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang 21:17 < Steven_Zhang> hmm 21:17 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@ool-18ba301d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:17 < mareklug> or is it |work=TV Blog ? 21:17 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@ool-18ba301d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:17 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@wikipedia/The-Blade-of-the-Northern-Lights] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:17 < Steven_Zhang> <3 Thehelpfulone 21:18 < Steven_Zhang> let me fix 21:18 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:18 < Steven_Zhang> ok, fixed 21:19 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:20 < Steven_Zhang> shit 21:20 < Steven_Zhang> theres a dead linl 21:20 < Steven_Zhang> link 21:20 < addihockey10> Lol 21:20 -!- kelapstick [ca83e93b@wikipedia/Kelapstick] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:21 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang but what WA this TV Blog? 21:21 < mareklug> WAS 21:22 < Steven_Zhang> it had the same info as the primary source 21:22 -!- jdale [~jdale@pool-71-163-245-234.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:22 < jdale> hi 21:23 -!- AnonDiss [~AnonDiss@1.133.96.2] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:24 < jdale> Anyone good in anthropology ? 21:25 < addihockey10> Me. 21:25 < addihockey10> What do you need to know? 21:32 < ChrisGualtieri> How many people do I need to have a Wikiproject go live? And should I announce its formation at the Pump, prior to going live? 21:33 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 1 second] 21:33 < Steven_Zhang> gah 21:33 < Steven_Zhang> anyone have a wayback machine 21:33 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:33 < Steven_Zhang> i mean those tookls 21:33 < Steven_Zhang> the research tools 21:33 < Steven_Zhang> in the wikipedia library 21:34 < mareklug> wayback machine tools? first I hear? what is wrong with using its public interface on the web? 21:35 < mareklug> archive.org 21:35 < Steven_Zhang> no i mean like lexisnexis 21:35 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:35 < mareklug> talk to someone with uni library access, like …legoktm!!! 21:35 < legoktm> Hi 21:36 < legoktm> ChrisGualtieri: Just yourself. 21:36 < legoktm> If you want other people to help, you should advertise it somehow. 21:36 < ChrisGualtieri> Sweet, and I got Questia and Highbeam access Steven_Zhang 21:36 < ChrisGualtieri> legoktm: I have one other person right now 21:37 < legoktm> cool 21:37 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri good on ya. this way the wikiproject will survive if one of you gets hit by a ten ton truck 21:37 < legoktm> normally you can spam people in a category or something 21:37 < ChrisGualtieri> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisGualtieri/Hentai 21:37 < ChrisGualtieri> Lol... I don't know if I want to spam it. :D 21:38 < ChrisGualtieri> Parsed out over 2000 titles meeting N and GNG that are not on Wiki and 90%+ of the articles are terrible that do exist with no GA or FA. I worked on the Hentai article for two weeks now 21:39 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri so why is it called the Hentai WIkiproject if it is about Hentai and Ecchi? Are you trying to insiduously smuggle ecchi under the radar? 21:40 < ChrisGualtieri> Hah, funny. The Japanese do not use the word 'hentai' as a genre so the ecchi aspect which includes hentai elements is rather subjective, especially in English 21:40 < eeekster> Sigh! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Temples_of_Kerala&direction=prev&oldid=553300637 21:41 < The_Blade> Surprised, or merely disappointed? 21:41 < eeekster> certainly not surprised 21:41 < ChrisGualtieri> Green Green (anime) is an example of 'ecchi' being included because it was originally an erogame and a OVA is really hentai. And hentai in english means anything pornographic from anime and manga... 21:41 < mareklug> eeekster they have more temples in Kerala than we have MacDonalds in Chicago 21:42 < eeekster> it's the completely screwed up formatting that I really hate 21:42 < eeekster> and have removed 21:42 < ChrisGualtieri> Whoa.... what is with the overlapping text or is my graphics card shot? 21:42 < Steven_Zhang> ChrisGualtieri: can you look up something 21:43 < ChrisGualtieri> Sure 21:43 < Steven_Zhang> also, im guessing that link is nsfw 21:43 -!- jdale [~jdale@pool-71-163-245-234.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: "Au Revoir"] 21:43 < Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Logan#cite_ref-nutter_2-0 21:43 < Steven_Zhang> i need to get a link to that again 21:43 < ChrisGualtieri> My link, no, but the content is questionable 21:43 < addihockey10> Sigmawp 21:43 < addihockey10> PM.. 21:43 < eeekster> ChrisGualtieri, it was overlapping and unreadable 21:43 < addihockey10> Or not... 21:44 < SigmaWP> ok 21:45 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri so explain this to me, how come the Japanese term "hentai" has a completely different take in English than in Japanese? Isn't that …unusual? 21:45 < mareklug> eeekster it looks very nice now. 21:46 -!- Jays [~jdale@pool-71-163-245-234.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:46 < ChrisGualtieri> mareklug: if you are not at work and don't mind one explicit image on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai has all your answers 21:46 < eeekster> columns aren't always a good thing 21:46 < eeekster> and they assume screen width 21:46 < ChrisGualtieri> Steven_Zhang: No hits on Questia or Highbeam, sorry 21:47 < The_Blade> mareklug; it has two different meanings in Japanese. Two different kanji for each. 21:47 < mareklug> The_Blade and it is never written in kana? 21:47 < The_Blade> It *can* be, it normally wouldn't be. 21:47 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri the images did not answer my question, but I am hoping The_Blade will 21:48 < ChrisGualtieri> Fine.. I'll explain 21:48 < mareklug> The_Blade so why is ChrisGualtieri's contention on point (if it is) that hentai in English != in Japanese 21:48 < The_Blade> The other meaning of hentai is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentaigana 21:48 < ChrisGualtieri> Eh no. 21:49 < ChrisGualtieri> Hentai is composed of two kanji 21:49 < ChrisGualtieri> 変 (hen; "change", "weird", or "strange") and 態 (tai; "appearance" or "condition") 21:49 < russavia> what's a hentai? 21:49 < mareklug> russavia looks to me like kwaii anime with fucking 21:49 < ChrisGualtieri> The term 変態性欲, hentai seiyoku is shortened to hentai by Japanese. 21:49 < russavia> isn't hentai the tentacle monster that rapes people? 21:49 < Steven_Zhang> aw man 21:50 -!- hackerGBQ [~kniferSWB@2.51.56.247] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:50 < ChrisGualtieri> The actual origin of the term dates back to the 1800's when German sexologistt Richard von Krafft-Ebing's text Psychopathia Sexualis was translated into Japanese 21:50 * The_Blade once ran into someone carrying some hentai comic out in the open, and almost pushed him down a flight of stairs. 21:50 < Steven_Zhang> its a major part of the article 21:51 < hackerGBQ> hi 21:51 < ChrisGualtieri> From there it was discussed in medical terms and became popular, though it was Tanaka who really broadcast it to masses and it culminated in the ero guro genre... 21:51 < russavia> The_Blade; there's no need to push people down the stairs -- buy your own hentai comics! 21:52 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri does hentai visual stuff have to be "kute"? 21:52 < ChrisGualtieri> After WWII the word hentai had a split with ecchi/etchi, etchi being the first vowel of hentai, and meant lewd. 21:52 -!- wctaiwan [8c701e84@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:52 < ChrisGualtieri> mareklug: Oh gods no, most of the stuff as in Japanese translation is absolutely vile and disgusting 21:52 < ChrisGualtieri> The first licensed one was Urotsukidōji which came out in 1993 21:53 < mareklug> then I suggest the wikiproject should make amends in the distorition as far illustrating the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai is concerned 21:53 < ChrisGualtieri> And yeah.. Urotsukidōji's tentacle sex was originally to get around Japanese censorship laws on depicting regular sex... >.> 21:53 < ChrisGualtieri> How in the world do I depict cute... moe ness? 21:54 < The_Blade> I admit I don't see how the tentacle sex would be *less* disturbing than normal sex, but that's just being rational now... 21:54 -!- hackerGBQ [~kniferSWB@2.51.56.247] has quit [Client Quit] 21:54 < eeekster> I don't think rational applies :) 21:54 < ChrisGualtieri> Its Japan... the actual law as written prohibits male-female intercourse... by explicit wording 21:54 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:55 -!- Jays [~jdale@pool-71-163-245-234.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 21:56 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:56 < ChrisGualtieri> Hideo Azuma is the man you can thank for actually getting lolicon and the big pornography movement started... 21:56 < ChrisGualtieri> but Toshio Maeda did the tentacle stuff... and La blue girl... the two works synamous with hentai from 1990s... 21:58 < ChrisGualtieri> You know the worse thing is... Maeda's horrible things are actually not that bad compared to today's stuff. Abnormal hentai sells best... 21:58 < russavia> i was shown this piece of anime a while ago -- i was left wondering -- dafuq i just watch -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHun7cTFKV0 21:58 < The_Blade> See, *this* is why my sympathies lie with the Ainu. Their traditions are foreign, but they're not the ones churning hentai and lolicon out. 21:59 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:59 < mareklug> Ainu sound like completely sane people. the overly cute Japanese esthetic is an emetic. Why don't THEY get it? 21:59 < ChrisGualtieri> Oh man... russavia that's hilarious 22:00 * The_Blade thinks the facial hair freaks Japanese people out, as no Japanese man could *ever* grow a kick-ass beard like them. 22:01 < ChrisGualtieri> So biased >.>;;;; 22:01 < ChrisGualtieri> What about Jigen from Lupin the 3rd? 22:01 < wctaiwan> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/05/chinese-spy-caught-with-nasa-laptop-full-of-porn-not-secrets/ rofl 22:02 < mareklug> wctaiwan it is public knowledge the best porn is made in usa. 22:02 < mareklug> the chinese will steal anything of ours that is of value 22:02 < The_Blade> Must have been an interesting interrogation. 22:02 < MJ94> mareklug: finish this sentence 22:02 < MJ94> Abby is a 20-year-old college sophomore living in a middle-class city in 22:03 < mareklug> Minnesota 22:03 < MJ94> hmmm…any state but MN :P 22:03 < mareklug> New Jersey 22:03 < mareklug> always works 22:03 < MJ94> thanks! 22:04 < ChrisGualtieri> Isn't that type of porn illegal in china... or any type? 22:04 < Steven_Zhang> hey 22:04 < wctaiwan> no idea, I just thought that was hilarious 22:04 < Steven_Zhang> but apart from the dead link 22:04 < Steven_Zhang> is the article fa ready? 22:05 < wctaiwan> when the news first made the rounds every news outlet was like OMG CHINESE GUY SPYING ON NASA AND NATIONAL SECURITY 22:05 < wctaiwan> and then now... nope, just watching porn and stealing a laptop 22:05 < mareklug> what about massive copyright infringement under DMCA? to the clink with him for that alone! 22:05 < ChrisGualtieri> Steven_Zhang: Isn't that source kinda key? 22:06 < mareklug> make MPAA sue the bejesus out of him and the government of the Peep Republic of China! 22:06 < ChrisGualtieri> Oh an yes, porn is illegal in China... you got to jail if caught with it 22:06 < wctaiwan> really? 22:06 < Steven_Zhang> it is 22:06 < mareklug> but he was stealing OUR PORN 22:06 < Steven_Zhang> i'll look it up in lexisnexis 22:06 < wctaiwan> I'm not sure whether minors watching porn is legal in Taiwan, really 22:06 < wctaiwan> but... people do it, and they don't go to jail for it. 22:06 * The_Blade is reading your exchange, and is seriously glad he pre-emptively backed up as many sources as possible in his latest endeavor. 22:07 < Steven_Zhang> i back up sources 22:07 < Steven_Zhang> just lost this one 22:07 < Steven_Zhang> argh 22:07 < ChrisGualtieri> " The sale of pornographic material is not illegal in Taiwan, however, due to the lack of copyrights for adult contents, much of the adult materials on sale are not authorized. " 22:07 < wctaiwan> ah. 22:07 < ChrisGualtieri> As for minors... unknown 22:08 < ChrisGualtieri> Actually... some of the content on Wikipedia is actually 'illegal' under US Law. 22:09 * Steven_Zhang crosses fingers 22:09 < wctaiwan> then you should definitely ask that they be taken down. 22:09 < Steven_Zhang> YES 22:09 < Steven_Zhang> YES 22:09 < Steven_Zhang> YES 22:09 < Steven_Zhang> it is in lexis nexis <3 22:09 < The_Blade> Good to hear. 22:09 < Steven_Zhang> i can resource it to the original newspaper article :) 22:09 < Steven_Zhang> re-source 22:09 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: hi 22:09 < wctaiwan> hello 22:10 < ChrisGualtieri> Yay Steven_Zhang 22:11 < ChrisGualtieri> Wctaiwan... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States 22:11 < wctaiwan> okay, and..? 22:11 < Steven_Zhang> how about now? 22:12 < mareklug> wctaiwan oh dear. http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/rooting-exploit-could-turn-google-glass-into-secret-surveillance-tool/ 22:12 < wctaiwan> mareklug: saw, don't like it. 22:12 < wctaiwan> I really don't like the privacy implications of google glass. 22:13 < mareklug> don't like WHAT 22:13 < mareklug> I don't like google glass either 22:13 < ChrisGualtieri> wctaiwan: Basicially a cartoon stick figure can be obscene and count as underage porn because you can't prove a negative and the 'minor' as depicted doesn't exist. The law is also flawed in that it borrows terms as a 'person' from the original law, making it moot, but is not held up as such... 22:13 < wctaiwan> don't like the fact that something like that is now in the wild. 22:14 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@wikipedia/The-Blade-of-the-Northern-Lights] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14 < wctaiwan> ChrisGualtieri: I think what you said is very much debatable 22:14 < Steven_Zhang> i like google glass 22:14 < wctaiwan> but IANAL, or indeed, american. 22:15 < Steven_Zhang> should I put it up for FA? 22:15 < ChrisGualtieri> wctaiwan: Debate it all you like the law is at best, stupid people making stupid decisions for the wrong reasons with good intentions. 22:15 < ChrisGualtieri> I would Steven_Zhang, at worse you will find out whats wrong with it. 22:16 < wctaiwan> ChrisGualtieri: I'll believe you when there is a ruling that takes that sort of interpretation, i.e. stick figure porn might be minor porn. 22:16 < wctaiwan> because I don't think it's ever going to happen. 22:17 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang you also probably like all kinds of dudas on your phone service. 22:18 < ChrisGualtieri> Of the three cases, two are lolicon and one is Simpsons (offending pics were actually published online in the newspaper to boot) and there is a recent one with pixies and elves in New Zealand 22:19 < russavia> what is it with #wp-en and it's fascination with porn? ;) 22:20 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:20 < ChrisGualtieri> http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html 22:20 < wctaiwan> russavia: you're to blame, basically. 22:20 < ChrisGualtieri> Sometimes its about the speech, sometimes law, sometimes they just want boobs? 22:21 < russavia> oh wow wctaiwan -- you read JW's talk page too eh? ;) 22:21 < wctaiwan> I don't, actually 22:21 < wctaiwan> mostly stick to AN/I and RFA. 22:21 < wctaiwan> I'm of the school of thought that his talk page is the last resort of those who can't get what they want elsewhere. 22:21 < russavia> oh go read his talk page for latest idiocy 22:22 < wctaiwan> it annoys me greatly that his talk page is alternatingly *his* talk page or a public forum depending on the whims of himself and people who got laughed off noticeboards. 22:22 < wctaiwan> cba. 22:22 < russavia> "or building consensus to get rid of Russavia and rebuilding Commons as something other than what it now is." -- that's right people -- Russavia is to blame (TM) 22:23 < ChrisGualtieri> Wikipedia is too self destructive with its cliques >.>; 22:23 < mareklug> who wrote that? 22:23 < russavia> Evanh2008 22:23 < russavia> I am afraid that the getting rid of Russavia part completely disqualifies your proposal. odder (talk) 6:13 pm, Yesterday (UTC+8) 22:23 < russavia> Disqualifies it in the eyes of the Russavia Fan Club, sure. But those sorts of people are not really relevant to the discussion. Tarc (talk) 8:21 pm, Yesterday (UTC+8) 22:23 < russavia> tell tarc to GFH 22:23 -!- AnonDiss [~AnonDiss@1.133.96.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:24 < wctaiwan> ChrisGualtieri: it's not even cliques, per se. It's the... factional warfare. 22:24 < russavia> if that isn't an open admission of a gang mentality on the part of Tarc i dont know what is 22:25 < Steven_Zhang> nominated 22:26 < russavia> wctaiwan -- you are basically write -- i've gone there once to raise issue of WR/WO harassment of Fae last year 22:26 < russavia> *basically right 22:27 < russavia> and that resulted in Jayen466's wife (apparently) stating that I am gay because I hate women lol 22:27 -!- Jays [~jdale@pool-71-163-245-234.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:27 < wctaiwan> and really, if you're constantly debating at his talk page 22:27 < wctaiwan> probably time that you got off wikipedia 22:27 < wctaiwan> since you're no longer doing any sort of encyclopedia building 22:28 < wctaiwan> just peripheral discussions, and the ones that take place there aren't pleasant. 22:28 -!- Jays [~jdale@pool-71-163-245-234.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:28 < russavia> wctaiwan -- funniest thing i've seen in a while -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ADelicious_carbuncle&diff=553234176&oldid=548332915 22:28 < wctaiwan> not going to bother. reading popehat :p 22:29 < wctaiwan> "the failure mode of funny is asshole" 22:29 < wctaiwan> brilliant. 22:29 < russavia> great...will tuck that quote away for future use :) 22:32 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:33 < russavia> someone get this guy a computer to develop a Nama Wikipedia -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nama_man_giving_us_a_lesson_in_the_click_language_(3694165852).jpg -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoekhoe_language 22:33 -!- FastLizard4|iPad is now known as FastLizard4 22:33 < ChrisGualtieri> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/05/warner-brothers-sued-for-unauthorized-use-of-two-feline-internet-memes/ Lol 22:34 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5.67.205.196] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:34 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5.67.205.196] has quit [Changing host] 22:34 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:35 -!- Dragonfly6-7 [~test@65.92.107.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:36 < russavia> and so it goes full circle 22:37 < russavia> oops-- guess we better clean up commons-- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata-Cat.gif 22:38 < wctaiwan> yeah, was wondering about that one 22:39 < wctaiwan> tbh I'd think that the nominator is right? Just because you redrew the whole thing doesn't mean it's not a derivative 22:39 < wctaiwan> but IANAL 22:39 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:40 < russavia> deleted 22:41 < wctaiwan> ....erm 22:41 < wctaiwan> you didn't take what I said into account, I hope? 22:41 < wctaiwan> the reason I saw and didn't vote is because I don't know.. 22:42 < russavia> no wctaiwan- i never listen to you ;) 22:42 < wctaiwan> heh 22:42 < russavia> it being a DW is obvious 22:42 < wctaiwan> okay 22:44 < wctaiwan> the last thing I want is for something I say offhand on IRC to translate into an action on-wiki. That'd only reinforce the (imo incorrect) notion that there is an IRC cabal that collude to do stuff on-wiki 22:45 < mareklug> i think that is unreasonable. irc is just a real-time communication place and it excludes no one. so it is a self-selecting set of editors who just happen to be fast-connected. 22:45 < mareklug> and they do bicker. 22:45 < ChrisGualtieri> IRC is just easier then talk pages >.> 22:45 < mareklug> not any cabal 22:45 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|away 22:46 < wctaiwan> right, I think people don't noitce the internal bickering part 22:46 < mareklug> well, they shuold come onto irc more ! 22:46 < mareklug> :/ 22:46 < russavia> even more problematic internet meme stuff to be dealt with on commons :( 22:46 < russavia> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:%22Chuck_Norris_facts%22-related_images 22:46 < wctaiwan> the way I see it is, it's certainly useful for collaboration, but I'd hesitate to use it for any editorial disputes, deletion discussions, nominations, etc etc. 22:47 < MJ94> mareklug: goodnight for real 22:47 < wctaiwan> whereby hesitate I mean avoid entirely 22:47 < MJ94> wctaiwan: nini 22:47 < wctaiwan> night MJ94 22:47 < mareklug> MJ94 night night 22:47 < wctaiwan> 1. it's only a small subset of the community, and 2. there is no public record. 22:49 < mareklug> http://www.voanews.com/content/pakistani-prosecutor-in-bhutto-case-gunned-down/1653669.html this mickeymouse land 22:50 < russavia> 2) there is a public record -- GNAA takes care of that 22:51 < wctaiwan> not officially 22:51 < wctaiwan> not in a way that's easy for others to see 22:52 < russavia> i'd be more concerned with the stuff done via other means 22:52 < wctaiwan> mareklug: did they fix your TV? 22:52 < mareklug> yes they did. and then they had to fix my website. and lots of other stuff. so for once, everything is peachy. 22:53 < wctaiwan> great 22:53 < wctaiwan> then you'd surely be in the mood to take the request I made last time? :P 22:53 < wctaiwan> (changing the lenegd for Byzantine Empire at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_Byzantine_Empire_1025-en.svg) 22:53 < mareklug> elaborate please 22:54 < mareklug> wctaiwan by the way, I am provisioned for 50/4 and my best download is http://speedtest.net/result/2682774323.png 22:54 < wctaiwan> the legend doesn't match the colour, which was changed. 22:54 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has left #wikipedia-en [] 22:54 < mareklug> why is there all that Spanish on the page? 22:54 < wctaiwan> I just need someone to open it up in an SVG editor and fill the box with the same colour as is actually used on the map 22:55 < wctaiwan> probably latin 22:55 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:55 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:55 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:55 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:56 < mareklug> wctaiwan I am not sure I understand the coloring request. The empire itself is in kind of dusty plum, and it is not even listed in the legend. everything in the legend matches everything else on the map 22:56 < mareklug> colorwise 22:57 < wctaiwan> um, isn't the "Byzantine Empire: 1025" box supposed to be said dusty plume? 22:58 < wctaiwan> s/:/,/ 22:58 < mareklug> oh. 22:58 < mareklug> doing... 22:59 < wctaiwan> (that's some very nice speedtest result) 23:00 < mareklug> i know, way above what they promise, which is unusual. 6.8 Mbps OVER the provision? 23:01 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 23:03 < kelapstick> Russavia: I am going to try to get to that church on Thursday 23:04 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: 天 = tian right? 23:04 < SigmaWP> :( 23:05 < SigmaWP> Is that the sound of head banging I hear over the Pacific? 23:05 -!- thedj [~pjotr@unaffiliated/thedj] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:06 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:08 < Steven_Zhang> yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 23:08 < Steven_Zhang> $1842 bonus :SD 23:09 < Steven_Zhang> :D 23:09 -!- heb [~henrik@wikimedia/heb] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:10 -!- basile is now known as guillom 23:11 < Steven_Zhang> hey guillom 23:11 < guillom> hi 23:11 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: it is 23:11 < wctaiwan> and yes 23:11 < wctaiwan> and I was afk 23:11 < SigmaWP> afk smashing your brains out over my illiteracy! 23:12 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:12 < SigmaWP> Mdann52: Haven't seen you in a bit 23:12 < Mdann52> I've been........busy 23:13 < Mdann52> Kinda got roped into Wikia for a bit.... 23:13 * Jasper_Deng strongly dislikes that Wikia has been too lazy to upgrade to IPv6 23:15 * Mdann52 blocked a ton of IP's anyway, so doesn't care 23:15 < mareklug> wctaiwan finally done and all the caches purged 23:15 < Steven_Zhang> wikia, lol. 23:15 < wctaiwan> thank you very much 23:15 * Mdann52 also hates the fact Wikia fails to provide a purge button 23:16 < mareklug> you are most welcome wctaiwan 23:16 < wctaiwan> &action=purge, Mdann52 23:16 < Mdann52> That involved extra typing effort..... 23:16 < mareklug> Mdann52 just stick it on a hot key or a function key on your keyboard. 23:16 < Mdann52> And it's a ? on wikia, not a & 23:16 < mareklug> it works with either 23:17 < Mdann52> Not for me..... 23:17 < mareklug> it is actually universal syntax nothing to do with wikia per se 23:17 < SigmaWP> ^ 23:17 < wctaiwan> Mdann52: first argument takes ?, the rest take & 23:17 < wctaiwan> I was thinking of /w/index.php?title=X&action=purge, which is why i said &action=purge. 23:18 < Mdann52> Gotcha 23:19 < wctaiwan> class time. Later 23:19 < SigmaWP> bye 23:19 -!- wctaiwan [8c701e84@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [] 23:20 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:20 < mareklug> I caught my WiFi doing 243 Mbps but it is so shy, it immediately retreated to its lately usual 216 23:23 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:25 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:28 -!- Cookies52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:29 -!- ChrisGualtieri [ae3ebae3@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:30 -!- MuZemike_ [~MuZemike@wikimedia/MuZemike] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:31 -!- Mdann52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:32 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:32 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:32 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:32 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:32 -!- thedj [~pjotr@524B246D.cm-4-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:32 -!- thedj [~pjotr@524B246D.cm-4-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 23:32 -!- thedj [~pjotr@unaffiliated/thedj] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:33 -!- MuZemike [~MuZemike@wikimedia/MuZemike] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:34 -!- MuZemike_ [~MuZemike@wikimedia/MuZemike] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:36 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:36 -!- Cookies52 [~androirc@wikipedia/Mdann52] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:37 -!- MasterofPuppets [~Master@Wikipedia/Master-of-Puppets] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:40 -!- thedj [~pjotr@unaffiliated/thedj] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:41 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@e179046224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:42 -!- Matthew_ [~matthew_@wikipedia/matthewrbowker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:45 -!- muahaha is now known as muahaha|AFK 23:52 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@202.82.11.104] has quit [Quit: PWNT] 23:59 < SuicidalZerg> Anyone around here know why I would get ghosting on an S-video signal? 23:59 < Shirik> the better question 23:59 < Shirik> is why the hell anyone still uses S-video --- Log closed Fri May 03 00:00:05 2013