User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-05-10
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Jump to navigationJump to search--- Log opened Fri May 10 19:19:11 2013 19:19 -!- anomynous [~nick@198.144.190.20] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:19 -!- Irssi: #wikipedia-en: Total of 202 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 201 normal] 19:19 !lindbohm.freenode.net [freenode-info] channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? Please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 19:19 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Tasmania-, Krenair, dtm, Fluff|away, nas, Guest3932, Guest34415, Y_Ichiro_, niska`, AlexJFox, (+191 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:19 -!- Irssi: Join to #wikipedia-en was synced in 3 secs 19:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: carly-, pakaran, Elfix_113 19:21 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- EvilSon [~nonya@pool-72-77-76-67.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- yeboot [~user@97.75.230.116] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- midori [~m3w@wikimedia/Kylu] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Jacnoc, Falcorian, addihockey10, techman224, lukas|away, foksglam, russavia, Sarcasm, TheChance, Kinny 19:21 -!- TheLordOfTime [LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/lordoftime] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- ItzExor [~exor@itzexor.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- xid_ [joeblob@narc.oti.cz] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: erry_ 19:21 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- Zidonuke [~Zidonuke@bunny.zidonuke.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- MBisanz [MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ToAruShiroiNeko, SigmaWP, enhydra`, MJ94, Guest34415, carly, Elfix, lahwran, mutley89, Guest62140 (+10 more) 19:21 -!- Isarra [~root@wikimedia/Isarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: aude_, Vito_, ty, EvilSon|Alt, Choppa_, harej, addnight, Guest11870, Yetanotherx, Irunongames (+16 more) 19:21 -!- jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: AaronBale_, Eld|error, dmacks_a1ay, Con, Adrianzo, IRWolfie-, franny, ihaveamac, koishi, Guest84800 (+122 more) 19:21 -!- addnight [uid10233@wikimedia/addshore] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:21 -!- moogsi_ [~moogsi@wikimedia/moogsi] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:21 < iHateMyISP2> [[WP:CSD]] more or less is that 19:21 < carly-> good night 19:21 < carly-> welcome vack moogsi_ 19:21 < carly-> :) 19:21 < moogsi_> hoi 19:22 -!- addshore [uid10233@wikimedia/addshore] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:22 -!- fwilson [~fwilson@wikipedia/Fox-Wilson] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:22 < mareklug> carly- dobranoc, g-ʉpia 19:22 -!- Yetanotherx|afk [~Yetanothe@mcbouncer.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:22 < Moe_Epsilon> yeboot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AFI exists 19:22 -!- Adrianzo [~adrian_ca@190.199.50.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:22 -!- IRWolfie1 [W0LF@nat/dcunetworkingsociety/x-hgpfwvnyulxptdgn] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:22 < iHateMyISP2> whats with the weird languages tonight 19:23 < carly-> moogsi hi 19:23 < Amqui> iHateMyISP2 ? 19:23 < yeboot> yeah that would be better Moe 19:23 -!- carly [~androirc@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:23 -!- ktron [~EogProd@c-68-39-253-140.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:23 -!- ihaveamac_ [~ihaveamac@ip72-199-26-55.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:23 -!- ihaveamac_ [~ihaveamac@ip72-199-26-55.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:23 -!- ihaveamac_ [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:23 < carly-> mareklug reggaeton 19:23 < mareklug> carly- polonaise 19:24 -!- haggis [uid6619@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xypdzlxrjpodovdc] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:24 -!- Bluefoxicy [~Bluefoxic@c-76-21-157-203.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:24 -!- haggis is now known as Guest56212 19:24 < Bluefoxicy> how is every single commercial broadcast station notable? 19:24 < moogsi_> nid yw cymraeg yn iaith rhyfedd! 19:25 < moogsi_> you're a strange language :( 19:25 < iHateMyISP2> yeah that one 19:25 < Amqui> lol 19:25 < Bluefoxicy> ROT0 english in #-en please 19:25 -!- stwalker1ter [~stwalkers@wikimedia/stwalkerster] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:25 -!- jeffreyio_ [~sbrcio@ip70-190-254-163.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:25 < iHateMyISP2> but what language is "g-ʉpia" ? 19:25 < moogsi_> dim :( 19:25 < SigmaWP> Amqui: hallo 19:26 < Amqui> hola SigmaWP 19:26 < mareklug> לזיין את כולכם בתחת, במיוחד קרלי! 19:26 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: jeffreyio, ihaveamac, Gfoley4, Guest76001, elkng, moogsi, IRWolfie-, stwalkerster, spyro, Elfix, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:26 < Bluefoxicy> sigh. 19:26 < SigmaWP> Dammit freenode 19:26 -!- moogsi_ is now known as moogsi 19:26 < iHateMyISP2> the servers are allergic to Hebrew 19:26 < Amqui> lol 19:26 < SigmaWP> lol 19:26 < Bluefoxicy> lalurl faerbol zhan m'rimm d-sinss 19:26 < iHateMyISP2> whoa i google translated that 19:26 < iHateMyISP2> http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%D7%9C%D7%96%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F%20%D7%90%D7%AA%20%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%9B%D7%9D%20%D7%91%D7%AA%D7%97%D7%AA%2C%20%D7%91%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%93%20%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%99! 19:26 -!- Theopolisme_ [uid7799@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nbsyskpafydyuwgc] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:26 -!- AntiSpamMeta2 [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:26 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 19:26 -!- AntiSpamMeta2 is now known as AntiSpamMeta 19:27 < iHateMyISP2> although i suspect it was just google translated in the first place 19:27 < iHateMyISP2> it's too precise 19:27 < Bluefoxicy> iHateMyISP2: you wouldn't be able to google translate mine :p 19:27 < mareklug> iHateMyISP2 Soap, it must be bad corpus translation, honest. 19:27 < iHateMyISP2> yeah 19:27 < iHateMyISP2> lalurl faerbol zhan m'rimm d-sinss <-- not a language 19:27 < Bluefoxicy> it's a language 19:28 < iHateMyISP2> English 19:28 < Moe_Epsilon> Bluefoxicy: [[WP:BROADCAST]] covers what you were asking 19:28 < iHateMyISP2> but in code 19:28 < Bluefoxicy> no 19:28 < Bluefoxicy> it basically translates to "You need a girlfriend" 19:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: spyro 19:29 -!- XJR-9 [uid2977@pdpc/supporter/active/xjr-9] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:29 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [~admin@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:29 -!- marktraceur [~marktrace@fsf/member/marktraceur] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:29 < Bluefoxicy> the more literal phrase is "There is no magical object better than a female lover." 19:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Gfoley4 19:29 -!- carly- [~androirc@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29 -!- marktraceur [~marktrace@fsf/member/marktraceur] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:29 < iHateMyISP2> oh wait farebol is just a fancy spelling of fireball 19:29 < SigmaWP> greetings marktraceur 19:29 < iHateMyISP2> *faerbol 19:30 < Bluefoxicy> no 19:30 -!- XJR-9 [uid2977@pdpc/supporter/active/xjr-9] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:30 < Bluefoxicy> It's Drow you dumbass :P 19:30 < iHateMyISP2> Drows have a language? 19:30 < Bluefoxicy> yes 19:30 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:30 -!- Guest56212 is now known as Guest35119 19:30 < Bluefoxicy> separate from high elf 19:30 < iHateMyISP2> oh wait its a video game 19:30 < iHateMyISP2> ok fair enough, i shouldve suspected it was a created language 19:30 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 19:30 < iHateMyISP2> i thought you were just making it up on the spot 19:31 < Bluefoxicy> tlh.wikipedia.org 19:31 < moogsi> oh, d&d.... so it DOES translate as "i need a girlfriend" 19:31 < iHateMyISP2> whaaat no way 19:31 < moogsi> *you 19:31 -!- Computron_ [computron@gryllida.uk.to] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:32 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:32 < iHateMyISP2> how do you say "zing!!" in Drow 19:32 -!- Guest11870 [computron@gryllida.uk.to] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:32 -!- Yetanotherx|afk is now known as Yetanotherx 19:32 -!- Yetanotherx [~Yetanothe@mcbouncer.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:32 -!- Yetanotherx [~Yetanothe@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:32 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:32 -!- Susan [sex@wikipedia/MZMcBride] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:32 -!- ihaveamac_ is now known as ihaveamac 19:32 < Bluefoxicy> iHateMyISP2: traditionally? 19:33 < Bluefoxicy> Smirk devilishly and stab them between the ribs. 19:33 < Bluefoxicy> oh nice 19:33 < Bluefoxicy> I've recovered already. 19:33 < iHateMyISP2> the Drows sound violent : ( 19:34 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:34 < iHateMyISP2> i trhought they were like cute little fairies 19:34 < Bluefoxicy> Dud 19:34 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [~admin@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:34 < Bluefoxicy> you have no idea how it works 19:34 < iHateMyISP2> except made of trees or something 19:34 < Bluefoxicy> Like 19:34 < Bluefoxicy> If you are dealing with the drow for any reason 19:34 < Bluefoxicy> you will have sex 19:34 < iHateMyISP2> oh thats not bad 19:34 < iHateMyISP2> but still not worth the stabbings 19:35 < Bluefoxicy> There will be a drow woman like "A handshake isn't the most ... comforting way to settle on a deal. There are much better ways to establish... trust..." 19:35 < Bluefoxicy> (and also, for her to negotiate a better deal on her end) 19:35 -!- Guest62140 is now known as sarahlicity 19:35 < Bluefoxicy> Whores and thieves 19:35 < iHateMyISP2> i'll stick with the fairies and river nymphs 19:36 < Bluefoxicy> They're evil after all. 19:36 -!- sarahlicity is now known as Guest7057 19:36 -!- IShadowed__ is now known as IShadowed 19:36 < Bluefoxicy> Why do business honestly when people part with their money and valuables more willingly under pressure of flirtation and sex? (And, even more willingly when they're simply not paying attention) 19:37 < Bluefoxicy> God damn yes 19:37 < Bluefoxicy> I'm already healing. 19:37 < Bluefoxicy> Lightning can fuck off. 19:37 -!- jakr [~jake@pool-71-191-189-239.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 -!- jakr [~jake@pool-71-191-189-239.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:37 -!- jakr [~jake@unaffiliated/jakr] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:37 -!- jakr [~jake@unaffiliated/jakr] has quit [Client Quit] 19:37 -!- duh [~legoktm@wikipedia/Legoktm] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:38 -!- xid [joeblob@narc.oti.cz] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:38 -!- Kinny [~Kinny@unaffiliated/kinny] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:38 -!- iHateMyISP2 [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 19:39 -!- Kinny [~Kinny@unaffiliated/kinny] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:39 -!- ToBeFree 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I was just quitting and rejoining, but I'm still happy to see people greeting :) 20:00 < SigmaWP> o/ 20:01 -!- fwilson [~fwilson@wikipedia/Fox-Wilson] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:02 -!- Choppa_ [~IceChat77@c-50-133-152-192.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER] 20:02 -!- euphoria|jacked is now known as euphoria 20:02 -!- euphoria is now known as Guest40827 20:03 -!- sdamashek is now known as fwilsno 20:03 -!- fwilsno is now known as sdamashek 20:04 -!- xid_ [joeblob@narc.oti.cz] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:05 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:05 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:06 -!- ChrisGualtieri [~IceChat77@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:07 -!- sdamashek is now known as fwilsno 20:07 -!- fwilsno is now known as sdamashek 20:07 -!- LoganCloud [uid938@ubuntu/member/logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:08 -!- purplebackpack89 [476a951b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.106.149.27] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:08 < purplebackpack89> why the hell is there such a backlog at CfD? 20:08 -!- _anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:08 -!- enhydra` [kalan@2001:ba8:1f1:f011::1337] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:09 -!- enhydra [kalan@2001:ba8:1f1:f011::1337] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:09 -!- enhydra [kalan@2001:ba8:1f1:f011::1337] has quit [Changing host] 20:09 -!- enhydra [kalan@wikimedia/Kalan] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:11 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ToBeFree, XJR-9, xid 20:11 < BlastHardcheese> because it's boring busywork no one likes doing 20:11 < IDoH> Why does AIV, UAA, and RPP get backlogged so much? 20:11 < IDoH> Same reason that BlastHardcheese said. 20:11 -!- Koi [uid10416@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clponpsuxsmbvmxm] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:12 -!- Netsplit over, joins: XJR-9 20:12 < ChrisGualtieri> Is there a tool to find Wikilinks for articles? 20:12 < closedmouth> yes 20:12 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCkbXFn4SpY ABBA - Two For The Price Of One 20:12 < mareklug> IDoH ^^ 20:12 < closedmouth> it's linked from the {{wikify}} tag 20:12 < IDoH> ChrisGualtieri: Google, perhaps 20:13 < ChrisGualtieri> Not to wikify them.. but to find interwiki links for other pages 20:13 < closedmouth> or it used to be 20:13 * IDoH went through an ABBA stage as a preteen, mareklug. 20:13 < closedmouth> well you should have said that 20:13 < mareklug> IDoH heaven forbid that you went through Bach as an adolescent. Could you possibly stand a partita as a full grown adult? 20:13 < IDoH> LOL 20:14 < closedmouth> http://vs.aka-online.de/cgi-bin/globalwpsearch.pl?search=Google&timeout=120 20:14 < mareklug> IDoH just click it 20:14 * IDoH also went through a Harry Chapin stage around the same time that kind of persists to this day. 20:14 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:14 < IDoH> I have, mareklug, and I kind of like the song. 20:14 < mareklug> it's very witty 20:14 < IDoH> I like the sound, and the rhyming. 20:14 < purplebackpack89> CfD is a joke 20:15 < purplebackpack89> there are discussions that are over A MONTH OLD are are still open?!?!? 20:15 < ChrisGualtieri> Ok and one last thing... since I want to be sure... links to other article pages on en wiki only. 20:15 < Moe_Epsilon> yep 20:15 < Moe_Epsilon> legoktm: get to work, we just made you admin 20:15 < ChrisGualtieri> Like links to other articles from text. 20:15 * Moe_Epsilon cracks whip 20:15 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon he is backing his bags to abscond to greater San Jose 20:16 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:16 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:16 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:16 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 20:17 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 20:18 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:18 < mareklug> IDoH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMY4W0l4peY The Smiths - "Ask" (Official Promo Video) 20:19 < Moe_Epsilon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#3_month_backlog 20:19 < Moe_Epsilon> 3 month long backlog at possibly unfree images too 20:20 < dtm> :-o 20:20 < ChrisGualtieri> if I was an admin I'd patrol those... 20:20 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Why are you not? 20:20 < ChrisGualtieri> Never put in for it 20:20 < Demiurge1000> Why not? 20:21 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri it's probably too late. You have made too many enemies. 20:21 < ChrisGualtieri> Just haven't... not good enough with disputes yet? 20:21 < ChrisGualtieri> What enemies? 20:21 < Demiurge1000> Do you feel that you get better with disputes the more you get involved with them? 20:21 < mareklug> the going strategy is to become admin before you become notorious. 20:21 < IDoH> Ahh. Classic rock. 20:21 < IDoH> I like it. And the song mareklug just linked me. ;-) 20:21 < mareklug> IDoH that is NOT classic rock. The Smiths are NOT classic rock. 20:22 < IDoH> Why aren't the smiths classic rock? 20:22 < IDoH> Were they popular in the 2000's or 2010's? 20:22 < mareklug> why isn't Bethoven medieval polytonic music? 20:22 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Are you, or have you ever been, a communist, fascist, liberal, conservative; or associated, with or without your knowledge, with any of the above? 20:22 < IDoH> Like, mainstream popular? 20:22 < Moe_Epsilon> mareklug: I was working alone not talking to anyone on-wiki on WP:FORMER and WO was saying I was better off banned xD too late for me too 20:23 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon prolly. Sucks to me notorious. 20:23 < ChrisGualtieri> mmm... no I don't do politics 20:23 < mareklug> IDoH being popular != classic rock. 20:23 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: That would count against you, then. 20:23 -!- Freudian|Sleep [~chatzilla@wikipedia/LuciferTiger] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:23 < mareklug> IDoH I will link you classic rock so you can hear the difference. 20:23 < IDoH> Perhaps. But The Smiths were popular in the 80's and were a rock band, right? 20:23 < ChrisGualtieri> meh. So what. I don't plan on banning people as an admin 20:24 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Banning? 20:24 < ChrisGualtieri> I got better things to do then mess with blocking and such 20:24 < mareklug> IDoH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmKd1Bii0Lc Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti (album) - "Kashmir" 20:24 < ChrisGualtieri> Indef blocks =/ bans, but the purpose is typically clear 20:25 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Well, you do seem to get in a lot of arguments. 20:25 < ChrisGualtieri> Name three. 20:25 < mareklug> IDoH "The Smiths were an English alternative rock band, formed in Manchester in 1982." (wikipedia) 20:25 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: Do you dispute my suggestion that you get in a lot of arguments? 20:25 < IDoH> So, they were a ROCK band, mareklug. X-D 20:25 < ChrisGualtieri> Yes. 20:25 < mareklug> but they were not CLASSIC FUCKING ROCK 20:25 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: I see. 20:26 < mareklug> IDoH I hope you have clicked on the Led Zeppelin ^ 20:26 < IDoH> I have. 20:26 < ChrisGualtieri> A 4 month long argument still counts as one argument no matter how many places the other editor goes to make a squabble. Its still the same thing 20:26 < IDoH> Classic rock=old rock 20:26 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: So does the 3 minute version. 20:26 -!- _anona [~z31fcs@99-90-197-87.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:26 < mareklug> IDoH old rock may well mean The Big Whopper 20:26 < mareklug> or Elvis Presley 20:27 < IDoH> What's The Big Whopper? 20:27 < Demiurge1000> Fucking rock, as the late great Douglas Adams pointed out, is very different from ordinary rock. 20:27 < Moe_Epsilon> i just searched youtube for led zeppelin and saw someone made one video for an entire Led Zeppelin album and the description was that it was under "fair use" 20:27 < IDoH> Elvis Presley is classic rock, too. 20:27 < Moe_Epsilon> wut 20:27 < mareklug> IDoH I meant, The Big Bopper 20:27 -!- Bendersgame [~chatzilla@wikipedia/LuciferTiger] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:27 -!- Freudian|Sleep is now known as Bendersgame 20:27 < IDoH> No idea what the Big Bopper is. 20:27 < ChrisGualtieri> I'd probably pass in the old days, and not this behavior centric 'do you smash vandals?' era 20:27 < mareklug> IDoH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bopper 20:27 < Demiurge1000> ChrisGualtieri: OK. No worries. 20:28 < IDoH> The Big Bopper is classic rock 20:28 < IDoH> You can't convince me otherwise. 20:28 < mareklug> IDoH you are misusing terminology 20:28 < IDoH> Uh? 20:28 < IDoH> How so? 20:28 -!- evilgohan2[NullR [~freenode@c-69-251-240-149.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-69-251-240-149.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:29 < mareklug> IDoH his infobox says: Genres Rock and roll, rockabilly, country 20:29 -!- XJR-9 is now known as XJR-9_ 20:29 < mareklug> not classic rock 20:29 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/classic%20rock 20:29 < ChrisGualtieri> What the heck is rockabilly. 20:29 < SigmaWP> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1e2q8u/widows_and_widowers_of_reddit_what_is_your/ 20:29 < SigmaWP> I thought it said Windows and Windozers 20:29 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/rockabilly 20:29 < ChrisGualtieri> Who's been messing with genres again 20:29 < SigmaWP> ANd then I tried to read it and got confused 20:30 < IDoH> That's not a genre definition, mareklug. That's a radio format. 20:30 < mareklug> but that is a genre definition. 20:30 < mareklug> for fuck's sake. I think Demiurge1000 will corroborate this. 20:30 < ChrisGualtieri> I thought genre was still defined as one of the sixteen major genres not this 'rockabilly' non sense x-x 20:30 -!- KofH [~chatzilla@wikipedia/King-of-Hearts] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:31 < ChrisGualtieri> Its like 'emo' or 'sludgecore' 20:31 < mareklug> rockabilly is not nonsense. You clearly have hid under a rock, musically ChrisGualtieri 20:31 < IDoH> Radio formats=looking for ways to make money. 20:32 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri "Although the term was in common use even before the Burnettes wrote "Rock Billy Boogie", one of the first written uses of the term "rockabilly" was in a June 23, 1956, Billboard review of Ruckus Tyler's "Rock Town Rock".[109] Three weeks earlier, "rockabilly" was used in a press release describing Gene Vincent's "Be-Bop-A-Lula".[110]" 20:32 < SigmaWP> IDoH: Hello 20:32 * SigmaWP pets IDoH in the hair 20:32 < IDoH> Why do you like petting me, SigmaWP? 20:32 < mareklug> so, IDoH Led Zeppelin is classic rock. Have you heard of The Who? 20:32 < ChrisGualtieri> It is still not a genre I recognize >.> 20:32 < IDoH> Yeah 20:32 < SigmaWP> Your hair is soft? 20:33 * SigmaWP shrugs 20:33 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri so you don't recognize it. But now you know better. 20:33 < IDoH> Heh heh. 20:33 < mareklug> IDoH do you know any THe Who songs? 20:33 < IDoH> Not really 20:33 * Moe_Epsilon trouts IDoH 20:34 < IDoH> Ow, that hurt, Moe_Epsilon? Why'dja do that? 20:34 < mareklug> IDoH because, Jane, you're an ignorant slut 20:34 * mareklug alludes to Saturday Night Live 20:34 < IDoH> Sexist joke, mareklug. 20:34 < Moe_Epsilon> IDoH: because you don't know any Who 20:34 * IDoH trouts mareklug. 20:34 < Moe_Epsilon> :p 20:34 < mareklug> IDoH it is a meme 20:34 < IDoH> Heh 20:34 < IDoH> okay 20:34 < mareklug> it is a famous Dan Akroyd meme, in fact. 20:35 < Moe_Epsilon> IDoH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5muHdEFchyI </copyright violation> 20:35 < Moe_Epsilon> there you go 20:35 < mareklug> who's Dan Akroyd? 20:35 < IDoH> Actually, I know the first song of this album. Huh. 20:35 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon funny, I was about to link that in live version :) :) 20:35 < Moe_Epsilon> xD 20:36 < Moe_Epsilon> 2:41:08 video though 20:36 < Moe_Epsilon> :P 20:36 < mareklug> IDoH "it's a teenage wasteland / they're all wasted!" 20:36 < mareklug> I meant Baba O'Reilly 20:36 -!- SoulOfTheInterne [~tobefree@unaffiliated/tobefree] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:37 < mareklug> IDoH that too is classic rock 20:37 < Moe_Epsilon> I like Eminence Front but no one else does 20:37 < Moe_Epsilon> :< 20:38 -!- dandv [~dandv@li88-195.members.linode.com] has left #wikipedia-en ["ISON *status"] 20:38 < mareklug> IDoH will probably like it, as it has a vaguely electro feel to it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnHLgxKUsEA 20:39 < IDoH> Oh, I do like it. 20:39 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:42 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44 < mareklug> IDoH you did not like Bab O'Reilly (the first song on that Best of The Who)? 20:44 < mareklug> Baba * 20:44 -!- addshore [uid10233@wikimedia/addshore] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:45 * Moe_Epsilon likes classic rock but his favorite genres of music are heavy metal and grunge 20:45 -!- muahaha [uid10984@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxnoqettzcnntlrr] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:45 < mareklug> heavy metal like Black Sabbath? Grunge like Nirvana? 20:45 -!- Gatito [uid7910@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylvsikxeywheleub] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:45 < IDoH> Actually, I did like that song. Why? 20:46 < Moe_Epsilon> there is more current heavy metal than black sabbath, but yes :P 20:46 < Moe_Epsilon> i guess more modern metal is more metalcore 20:46 < mareklug> just asking. I will link more classic rock to make that concept stick 20:46 < Moe_Epsilon> and yes, grunge like Nirvana and of that time era 20:46 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon well, sure, there is all kinds of metal, from Eluveite through Týr 20:47 < Moe_Epsilon> heard of Eluveite, never heard of Tyr 20:47 -!- Izawayz [uid1203@wikipedia/DeltaQuad] has quit [] 20:47 < mareklug> I will find one more classic rock for Hoses and then I have to reboot as I am installing Mac OS X 10.8 on an external disk. 20:48 < Moe_Epsilon> though I'm not entirely sure I would consider Eluveite heavy metal 20:48 < mareklug> Moe_Epsilon it's technically speaking folk metal. but they jam. 20:48 < Moe_Epsilon> yeah it's some kind of mix of folk and hard rock 20:49 < mareklug> IDoH Queen is classic rock, albeit they are very weird in much of their ouvre. You probably know this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_I Queen - 'Under Pressure' 20:49 < IDoH> Yeah, I do 20:49 < mareklug> then that does not count, but do listen to it. I will find something you have not heard. 20:49 -!- KofH [~chatzilla@wikipedia/King-of-Hearts] has left #wikipedia-en [] 20:50 < Moe_Epsilon> Nightwish is kind of like Eluveite 20:50 < Moe_Epsilon> not really folk at all 20:50 < Moe_Epsilon> Eluveite minus the folk xD 20:51 < mareklug> IDoH this is Queen's first major hit, you probably have not heard it though (Nightwish is symphonic, whereas Eluveite is weird Celtic instruments and bagpipes and stuff) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAf2S6ij2gk Queen - "Killer Queen" 20:51 -!- addshore is now known as addshore_ 20:51 < Moe_Epsilon> basically, yeah 20:51 < Moe_Epsilon> :p 20:56 < dtm> Moe_Epsilon: Nightwish is supreme, but i have barely heard any after Tarja 20:56 < mareklug> dtm the last album is very good 20:57 < Moe_Epsilon> yeah their last album was good 20:58 < Moe_Epsilon> all I know is I am never arguing genre on Wikipedia again ;p last time I tried, it was a month long battle 20:58 < mareklug> well there is arguing and then there is plowing through accepted terminology 20:59 * Moe_Epsilon fought a long hard battle over Flyleaf 21:01 < Moe_Epsilon> mareklug: it was hell just trying to get fans to stop adding "love metal" to [[HIM (Finnish band)]]'s genre 21:01 < mareklug> look, Maltese is so intelligible after all, and they said it is a weird tongue: Fuck kollha inti fl-ħmar, speċjalment Carly! 21:01 < Moe_Epsilon> (that is what the band called it) 21:01 < mareklug> and that's translating directly from Hebrew 21:02 < mareklug> oh well, metal fans are peculiar. they invent all kinds of subsubsbugenres 21:03 -!- Demiurge1000 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Demiurge1000] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 21:03 < Moe_Epsilon> | genre = <!--Consensus is 'rock' exclusively. Any genre additions/deletions (including that of 'love metal') will be reverted.-->[[Rock music|Rock]] <small>(see [[HIM (Finnish band)#Genre|HIM's genre]])</small> 21:03 -!- fumika [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 21:03 < Moe_Epsilon> had to add that to every HIM article 21:04 -!- AnonDiss [~AnonDiss@1.129.170.230] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:04 < mareklug> ok. ship going down. this will probably take 34 minutes. 21:04 < dtm> Moe_Epsilon: lol HIM 21:05 < Moe_Epsilon> dtm: shut up that's my favorite band 21:05 < Moe_Epsilon> :< 21:05 -!- mareklug [~mareklug@wikipedia/mareklug] has quit [] 21:05 < dtm> Moe_Epsilon: ......wut. 4 srs? 21:05 < Moe_Epsilon> yes 21:05 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:05 < dtm> oic ok 21:05 -!- ChrisGualtieri [~IceChat77@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has quit [Quit: When the chips are down, well, the buffalo is empty] 21:05 < Moe_Epsilon> don't look at me like that >_> 21:05 < dtm> :-o 21:05 < dtm> :-I 21:06 -!- sDrewth is now known as sDrewthedoff 21:06 < moogsi> <3 \m/ LOVE METAL \m/ <3 21:06 * Moe_Epsilon pets moogsi 21:06 < dtm> I LOVE METAL TOO 21:06 < moogsi> haha 21:07 < moogsi> HIM is my friend's favourite band so i have come to have an appreciation for them 21:07 < Moe_Epsilon> yay more fans :D 21:07 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Quit: !] 21:07 < moogsi> it's weird cos normally he has good taste 21:07 < Moe_Epsilon> aww :< 21:07 < moogsi> well, i'm not sure about favourite.... he definitely likes them a lot though 21:08 * Moe_Epsilon is tattooed with a heartagram 21:10 < moogsi> nnnnnooooooooooo not our only picture of kim-jong-un https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kimjongun.png 21:10 < moogsi> third time this month a crap drawing gets deleted 21:10 < moogsi> and featured on my user page 21:10 < moogsi> well, since the middle of april i think 21:11 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:11 < moogsi> except the reason it's being speedied is that it isn't a crap drawing, but a photo with a filter applied :l 21:11 < moogsi> so sneaky.. 21:12 < moogsi> thing is, if anyone wants to actually do a decent drawing of him, it would be very widely used 21:12 < Moe_Epsilon> if a free image is not possible, why isn't a non-free image uploaded? 21:13 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 21:13 < Moe_Epsilon> (locally, for his article) 21:13 < moogsi> well es.wiki can't 21:13 < moogsi> i think that's the main reason 21:13 < moogsi> huge wiki without fair use 21:13 < Moe_Epsilon> es wiki? 21:13 < Moe_Epsilon> oh 21:13 < Moe_Epsilon> I meant en.wiki 21:14 < Moe_Epsilon> we don't have a picture of him there either 21:14 < moogsi> not sure tbh 21:14 < moogsi> there is probably some esoteric reason 21:15 < moogsi> ohhhh 21:16 -!- AnonDiss [~AnonDiss@1.129.170.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:16 < moogsi> it's because the fair use policy specifies that there must be no opportunity to obtain a free version 21:16 < moogsi> i.e. the subject is dead 21:16 < moogsi> though from the perspective of obtaining free pictures of him, he may as well be dead 21:16 < Moe_Epsilon> exactly 21:19 -!- AnonDiss [~AnonDiss@1.129.209.212] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:19 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:19 < moogsi> another way would be to persuade a press agency to release *one* image 21:20 < Moe_Epsilon> not likely to happen :p 21:20 < moogsi> it's not like the man's unphotographable, but everyone taking pictures of him is necessarily on the job 21:23 < Moe_Epsilon> we need a Korean wikipedian who is feeling froggy 21:23 < Moe_Epsilon> xD 21:24 < moogsi> "Per Wikipedia's policies on non-free content, fair use images cannot be used if it is deemed that it is possible for a free license image to be created in the future. Kim Jong-un is a living person residing in a country with freedom of panorama, and is not incarcerated." 21:24 < moogsi> so logical 21:24 < moogsi> what if... everyone else in the country were effectively incarcerated :P 21:25 -!- purplebackpack89 [476a951b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.106.149.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:26 < Moe_Epsilon> maybe a Chinese Wikipedian could get a picture 21:26 < Moe_Epsilon> :< 21:26 * Moe_Epsilon doesn't know how freely people enter leave the border 21:26 < moogsi> possible, Chinese wikipedia is not hugely available in China itself 21:26 < moogsi> afaik 21:27 < Moe_Epsilon> that doesn't mean Commons isn't 21:27 < Moe_Epsilon> :P 21:27 -!- XJR-9_ is now known as XJR-9 21:28 < russavia> just wait til he meets putin 21:28 < SigmaWP> baboom 21:29 < moogsi> apparently you can read Chinese and English Wikipedia in China, but you will have trouble reading politically sensitive articles 21:30 < moogsi> articles are blocked selectively, apparently 21:30 < Moe_Epsilon> indeed they are 21:31 < moogsi> that's someone's job 21:31 < moogsi> blocking articles on Wikipedia in China 21:32 < Moe_Epsilon> you can bet http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AD%E5%9B%9B%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%B6 is blocked 21:32 < Moe_Epsilon> :P 21:39 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:40 -!- jbroome [jbroome@freenode/staff/lopsa.member.jbroome] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:40 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:40 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:40 -!- Computron_ [computron@gryllida.uk.to] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:41 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:43 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@d207-216-143-248.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:43 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@d207-216-143-248.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:43 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@wikipedia/mkdw] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:45 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:49 -!- Yetanotherx is now known as Yetanotherx|afk 21:49 -!- AnonDiss [~AnonDiss@1.129.209.212] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:50 -!- Zidonuke [~Zidonuke@bunny.zidonuke.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 21:52 -!- Zidonuke [~Zidonuke@2607:5300:60:613::1] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:57 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Quit: User has quit this network.] 21:58 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:59 -!- Yetanotherx|afk is now known as Yetanotherx 22:01 < wctaiwan> russavia: ping 22:02 < wctaiwan> or really, any commons editor 22:03 < Moe_Epsilon> wctaiwan: maybe I can help? 22:03 < Moe_Epsilon> maybe not, try me 22:03 < Moe_Epsilon> ;p 22:03 < wctaiwan> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#Taiwan_.28Republic_of_China.29 22:03 < wctaiwan> I think that's… wrong? 22:04 < wctaiwan> the translation of the laws, official or not, is pretty accurate. 22:04 < wctaiwan> putting a photo of a statue on commons isn't "Reproduction of artistic works solely for the purpose of selling copies." 22:04 -!- Nickinator1 [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:04 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:05 < Moe_Epsilon> it appears in the case of statues in Taiwan, they are deleted, and have been on Commons for a while 22:05 < Moe_Epsilon> (according to past discussions) 22:06 < wctaiwan> can you link me to any? 22:06 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:06 < Moe_Epsilon> all there is, is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Taiwanese_FOP_cases 22:06 < Moe_Epsilon> only four 22:06 < Moe_Epsilon> :/ 22:07 < wctaiwan> they just cite the thing I linked to. 22:07 < Moe_Epsilon> yes, I know 22:07 < wctaiwan> I think the "Not OK" part isn't a correct interpretation of what's said below.. 22:07 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:07 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:08 < Moe_Epsilon> the links to the laws are deadlinks 22:08 < Moe_Epsilon> to me, anyways 22:09 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:09 < wctaiwan> I'll fix them 22:11 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:12 < Moe_Epsilon> wctaiwan: I think I understand now. It has to be allowable for commercial purposes to be Commons, and since it is not allowed for "reproduction of artistic works solely for the purpose of selling copies" 22:12 < Moe_Epsilon> it isn't free enough 22:13 < wctaiwan> yeah, I think that's debatable though. 22:13 < Moe_Epsilon> that word solely does throw a wrench in there 22:13 < wctaiwan> that's what I'm saying 22:14 < wctaiwan> I reproduced the work, but not solely for the purpose of selling copies. 22:14 < wctaiwan> is it illegal for someone else to sell copies? 22:14 < wctaiwan> I think that's highly debatable. 22:15 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:15 < Moe_Epsilon> wctaiwan: I think since it ''could'' be used to sell copies solely, which is against the law, that is why Commons won't accept it (because someone nefarious could cause us trouble) 22:15 < wctaiwan> I'm going to check if there are clarifications from officials 22:16 < Moe_Epsilon> let me know :p 22:17 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Quit: User has quit this network.] 22:17 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:18 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:18 -!- OlEnglish [~sirwillia@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:18 -!- OlEnglish [~sirwillia@S0106602ad08246c6.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:18 -!- OlEnglish [~sirwillia@wikipedia/OlEnglish] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:18 < wctaiwan> meh, google doesn't give me anything specific enough to convince commons. 22:18 < wctaiwan> I really think it should be okay 22:18 < wctaiwan> but.. yeah. 22:19 -!- PinkAmpersand is now known as PinkQuelqueChose 22:20 -!- Fluff|away is now known as Fluffernutter 22:20 < Moe_Epsilon> yeah :/ 22:20 < Moe_Epsilon> it just might not be "free enough" in Commons eyes 22:23 < moogsi> the "solely" may as well not be there 22:23 < moogsi> what does that even mean? i can sell as many copies as i like, as long as i also do something else? 22:23 -!- Mkdw [~Mkdw@wikipedia/mkdw] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:24 -!- moogsi_ [~moogsi@wikimedia/moogsi] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:24 < moogsi_> bah 22:25 < moogsi_> the "solely" may as well not be there 22:25 < moogsi_> what does that even mean? i can sell as many copies as i like, as long as i also do something else? 22:26 -!- Yetanotherx is now known as Yetanotherx|afk 22:27 < moogsi_> wctaiwan: we would welcome a solid reinterpretation that lets us host more files 22:27 < moogsi_> but i'm not seeing it 22:27 -!- moogsi [~moogsi@wikimedia/moogsi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:28 < wctaiwan> I'm drafting an email to the relevant gov't organ. 22:28 < moogsi_> ok cool 22:28 -!- moogsi_ is now known as moogsi 22:29 -!- MBisanz [MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:29 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:30 < wctaiwan> moogsi: what's the likelihood that there will be some bs about how a private email doesn't prove anything and I might have just made the reply up? 22:30 < moogsi> extremely low 22:30 < wctaiwan> good. 22:31 -!- dmacks_away [~dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has left #wikipedia-en [] 22:32 -!- dandv [~dandv@li88-195.members.linode.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:32 < moogsi> how we are currently interpreting it is: you can't sell copies because that would infringe on the rightsholder's right of reproduction/distribution 22:33 < moogsi> because free cultural works can't have commercial restrictions, that prohibits us from distributing them under a free license 22:33 < dandv> Would this qualify as vandalism? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cognitive_distortion&diff=next&oldid=552578793 22:34 < moogsi> of course it is fine to take a photo and keep it yourself (you haven't "made a copy in order to sell it") 22:35 < moogsi> or whatever the wording is... of course i can't read chinese and i'd be happy to be told we're wrong 22:37 < moogsi> if you really want to help us out then you can clarify Mexico's or North Korea's laws about FoP which are frankly incomprehensible :P 22:38 < moogsi> well, i think mexico is fine, but people love arguing about that one for some reason 22:38 < moogsi> that and italy 22:39 < yeboot> FoP? 22:39 < moogsi> it's not exciting https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:FOP 22:39 < moogsi> it's a pain in the balls more than anything 22:41 < moogsi> according to the Berne Convention you're inside a work of art right now probably 22:41 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:41 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:41 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:42 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:43 -!- yeboot [~user@97.75.230.116] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44 < dandv> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cognitive_distortion&diff=next&oldid=552578793 is quite vandalic 22:46 < Guerillero> no 22:46 < Guerillero> I would rework her additions 22:47 < Jasper_Deng> the primary distinction between vandalism and non-vandalism is the former is bad-faith, while the latter is good-faith 22:47 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@90.220.135.67] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:47 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@90.220.135.67] has quit [Changing host] 22:47 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:47 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 22:48 < Guerillero> I think it is a copyvio 22:49 -!- aude_ is now known as aude 22:50 < dandv> Guerillero: she used bad grammar, botched links, removed references etc. 22:50 < dandv> Her user page indicates she's a student on an assignment 22:51 < dandv> her professor even left a comment that she should get to work 22:51 < Guerillero> i don't see bad faith 22:51 < Jasper_Deng_away> it isn't bad-faith though, so it's not outright vandalism 22:51 < dandv> it's incompetence 22:51 < dandv> and doing work when no work was needed 22:51 < Guerillero> and the links removed were fairly bad 22:51 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:52 < dandv> Guerillero: what do you mean? For instance, she removed the link from All or nothing thinking (Splitting). 22:52 < Guerillero> external links 22:52 < dandv> And she capitalized 'R' in [[Emotional reasoning]], which broke the link 22:53 < dandv> Jasper_Deng_away: is there another denomination for sweeping and unjustified edits, that are not done in bad faith? 22:53 < dandv> this looks like a case of a student using Wikipedia as their homework canvas 22:54 < Guerillero> it is a wikipedia assignment yes 22:54 < Guerillero> but those are common 22:55 < Guerillero> should the edit be reverted, most likely 22:55 < Guerillero> but it wasn't vandalism 22:55 < dandv> ok well, I've quasi-reverted it 22:55 < Guerillero> and if I saw you huggle that edit away I would pull your rollback 22:55 < dandv> BTW don't headings need to be in Sentence case? 22:56 < dandv> wow. I've been speaking English for 20 years, and never heard the word "huggle". 22:56 < dandv> not even sure how to parse that :) 22:56 < wctaiwan> moogsi: http://pastebin.com/CCFz96Tb 22:56 < wctaiwan> that should be good enough, yes? 22:57 < Guerillero> dandv: it is a tool used by lots of people 22:57 < Guerillero> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HG 22:58 < moogsi> wctaiwan: looks fine to me 22:58 < wctaiwan> alright 22:58 * wctaiwan sends 22:59 < wctaiwan> sent 22:59 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:59 < moogsi> i hope they don't say "we don't know, it's not come up in court", we get that sometimes 22:59 < wctaiwan> it… shouldn't. 22:59 < wctaiwan> at worst it'll be a non-answer that doesn't say it's okay 22:59 < moogsi> i guess 23:00 < moogsi> well worst would be no answer :P 23:00 < wctaiwan> our government is pretty good at responding to citizen enquiries, I find. 23:00 < wctaiwan> they're terrible at a lot of other things :p 23:00 < moogsi> :) 23:00 < wctaiwan> but answering citizen emails is something they do decently 23:00 < wctaiwan> which I take is the case where you are as well :P 23:00 < moogsi> sounds like my ISP.. they are crap but have Great customer service 23:00 < dandv> Guerillero: I've read up on Huggle. Thanks. What did you mean that you would "pull" my rollback? 23:00 < wctaiwan> all the freedom of information requests. 23:01 < moogsi> they are ok at doing anything they're required to do by law, yes :P 23:01 < wctaiwan> count your blessings 23:02 < wctaiwan> lots of countries aren't like that. 23:02 < moogsi> yeah i guess i should be very grateful for that much 23:02 < Guerillero> I would remove it from an account because the edit wasn't vandalism in a strict sense. A revert with a personal message would be the best action 23:02 -!- sdamashek is now known as sdamashek|sleep 23:03 < moogsi> not grateful to the government, grateful that i was lucky enough to be born in the right place 23:03 < moogsi> i'm not gonna give them a pat on the back for doing what they're supposed to be doing 23:05 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: hi 23:05 < wctaiwan> oh and, if the reply is that it's okay, we need to pay attention to article 64 23:05 < wctaiwan> hey sigma. 23:05 < wctaiwan> attribution is mandatory. 23:05 < SigmaWP> > article 64 23:05 < SigmaWP> Sounds like I walked into something sensitive 23:05 < SigmaWP> or maybe wikidata 23:06 < moogsi> yeah that's fine, there are a few laws that have that kind of stipulation 23:07 < wctaiwan> copyright laws can be fascinating 23:07 < wctaiwan> PITA, but fascinating nonetheless 23:07 < wctaiwan> especially considering how ill equipped they are dealing with digital works >.> 23:07 -!- TheChance_ is now known as TheChance 23:08 < moogsi> they are almost completely agnostic of the existence of the itnernet, yeah 23:10 < moogsi> a lot of the principles in US copyright law are based on actual physical copies of things 23:10 < wctaiwan> Google Incorporation <vasanyi@msn.com>: Congratulations!!!! This is to notify you that your E-mail Address has emerged you a winner in the Google Promotion Award as an Active Internet User Of Google Search Engine. Dowload/View Attached File for More Details and Validation of your Price. 23:10 < wctaiwan> totally 23:10 * wctaiwan downloads attachments 23:10 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10 < moogsi> WHAT DID YOU WIN 23:10 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Nigerian prince? 23:11 < wctaiwan> moogsi: PCSpeedUpCleaner Professional Deluxe Premier Edition 2014 :o 23:11 < wctaiwan> too bad I use a mac >.> 23:11 < moogsi> OOOOH 23:12 < moogsi> but it's the professional deluxe premier editionnn :( 23:12 < wctaiwan> :p 23:12 < moogsi> i love how you get an award for using google 23:12 < wctaiwan> (I made that up, if it isn't obvious enough. No way I'd actually open the damn thing) 23:12 < moogsi> congratulations on staying alive by metabolizing!!! here is your prize! 23:12 < wctaiwan> lol 23:21 -!- Betacommand [~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:22 -!- popl [~1024@unaffiliated/popl] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:23 < popl> Hello Wikipedians. 23:23 -!- Garnig [betacomman@unaffiliated/garnig] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:26 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 23:26 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:32 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|sleep 23:32 -!- Bronz_ [~Mark@unaffiliated/bronze] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:34 -!- jbroome [jbroome@freenode/staff/lopsa.member.jbroome] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:35 -!- CMBJ [~Craig@207-119-0-53.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:35 < Fox2k11> http://www.avclub.com/articles/movie-theater-manager-finds-way-to-make-iron-man-3,97607/ <-- WTF? common Sense Failure.. I assume 23:35 -!- CMBJ [~Craig@207-119-9-207.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:37 -!- Bronze [~Mark@unaffiliated/bronze] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:42 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 23:42 -!- dandv [~dandv@li88-195.members.linode.com] has left #wikipedia-en ["ISON *status"] 23:47 -!- killiondude [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Killiondude] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:48 < killiondude> good evening wikipedians 23:48 -!- Guerillero [~Gueriller@wikipedia/Guerillero] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 23:50 < killiondude> where'd all the good wikipedians go? 23:50 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:51 < popl> Valhalla? 23:51 < Fox2k11> good wikipedians? *shrugs* 23:51 < wctaiwan> russavia: http://i.imgur.com/XmWHkpP.png is of incorrect (duh) but international incident can into polandball 23:52 < russavia> yeah i saw that earlier -- do you know which one it reminds me of? 23:52 < wctaiwan> no 23:52 < russavia> http://i.imgur.com/2tkB1.png 23:53 < wctaiwan> heh 23:53 < russavia> russia's an arsehole 23:53 < popl> maybe Poland is just fat 23:53 < popl> ;P 23:53 < popl> Ethiopia has no problem with that water. Send it to them. 23:54 < popl> ;P 23:55 * popl alienates himself. :P 23:56 < SigmaWP> Social alienation 23:56 < SigmaWP> You all need more workers' benefits 23:58 < russavia> the nordic metal comic is huge--http://i.imgur.com/qWJ3qWc.png 23:58 < popl> Have you guys created jargon for things on Wikipedia? 23:58 < russavia> lost it at anti-suomite 23:58 < popl> Sorry, that was a horrible question. 23:59 < killiondude> alphabet soup 23:59 < killiondude> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OMGWTFBBQ 23:59 < popl> Thank you killiondude --- Log closed Sat May 11 00:00:13 2013