User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2015-07-12

Session Start: Sun Jul 12 00:00:00 2015
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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[00:25:35] <Italian_Man> hello
[00:25:38] <Italian_Man> ^_^
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[00:29:12] <MJ94> Dimichi: how dare you
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[00:31:13] <JeDa> Dimichi = Tintle
[00:31:19] <JeDa> Any OP???
[00:31:23] <JeDa> TB|Away???
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[00:36:33] <Dimichi> JeDa: Tintle?
[00:36:34] <Dimichi> MJ94: dare?
[00:37:23] <foks> whut
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[00:40:27] <MJ94> wut
[00:40:40] <TheMesquito> wut
[00:41:28] <MJ94> JeDa: proof?
[00:41:37] <Dimichi> TheMesquito, how do you have access to minecrafts2 lizardirc server?
[00:41:58] <MJ94> FastLizard4|zZzZ: ^
[00:42:29] <TheMesquito> I applyed to the whitelist and was accepted?
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[01:05:18] <JeDa> MJ94: cuz he said he was Tintle?
[01:05:54] <JeDa> Dimichi ~goldenfis 179.7.105.254 * :Dimichi Cháchara C.
[01:05:59] <JeDa> goldenfis, he uses it
[01:06:11] <JeDa> Dimichi Cháchara, Tintle's name
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[01:37:35] <Dimichi> I've found http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wm-bot/20141014.txt
[01:39:59] <Dimichi> If someone wants some TBloemink's logs, ask me, I have a lot of them...
[01:41:32] <foks> Dimichi, ?
[01:42:59] <Dimichi> Yes, I have a lot. Really.
[01:43:44] <foks> Dimichi, would rather you stopped this line of inquiry
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[02:09:21] <Irunongames> BED
[02:09:23] <Irunongames> GOODNIGHT
[02:09:30] <Irunongames> Um
[02:09:37] <Irunongames> Somehow Hexchat changed my IRC room
[02:09:45] <foks> ok
[02:09:49] <Irunongames> I am going to bed, I wish you all good night
[02:09:55] <Irunongames> But I did not mean to do so in all caps.
[02:09:58] <Irunongames> ._.
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[02:22:34] <Dimichi> Does she really dream of horses?
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[03:19:09] <IDoH> di...daen
[03:19:14] <IDoH> darn, even
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[03:48:51] <{Soap}> umm okay the lights are flickering i think and thats not good
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[03:49:38] <DeepWaterDolphin> also it seems rtussavia is sort of tolerated on commons now
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[03:52:42] <IDoH> DeepWaterDolphin: "Sort of tolerated". Meaning "We know he's around, but we're not going to go sockpuppet hunting?".
[03:52:43] <comets> he always was :P
[03:53:31] <comets> only WMF blocks or locks him now..local admins usually ignore him, except for a few brown nosers :P
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[03:56:10] <DeepWaterDolphin> yeah
[03:56:22] <DeepWaterDolphin> weoll he posts saying "hi its russavia" and he is treated like a normal user
[03:56:45] <DeepWaterDolphin> Not surprising since he was banned with no COmmons input
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[04:42:18] <DeepWaterDolphin> wiw everyones leacing
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[04:42:32] <DeepWaterDolphin> wb
[04:43:13] <MJ94> DeepWaterDolphin: was that to me?
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[04:43:26] <DeepWaterDolphin> yes
[04:43:39] <DeepWaterDolphin> sorry just feeeling silly because no ones talking. i know it was an accidental quit
[04:43:49] <MJ94> DeepWaterDolphin: thanks :)
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[04:44:06] <MJ94> FastLizard4's server must've died or something.
[04:44:16] <MJ94> JeDa: are you on ridley?
[04:45:00] <MJ94> I assume FastLizard4 left as well.
[04:45:49] <DeepWaterDolphin> hi
[04:45:52] <DeepWaterDolphin> ooops
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[05:14:13] <Steven_Zhang> Hello
[05:15:21] <DeepWaterDolphin> hi
[05:15:31] <Steven_Zhang> oh, I found what i was looking for
[05:15:44] <DeepWaterDolphin> glad i could help
[05:16:46] <foks> lol
[05:17:12] <Steven_Zhang> there /is/ an arbitration discretionary sanctions ugh
[05:17:22] <Steven_Zhang> AE, blergh
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[05:54:45] <DeepWaterDolphin> http://fixthisnation.com/Vote/images/hill4.jpg
[05:54:52] <DeepWaterDolphin> that is on an ad for hillary for president
[05:55:54] <DeepWaterDolphin> i knew it
[05:56:06] <DeepWaterDolphin> its a republican site pretending to be neutral
[05:57:11] <DeepWaterDolphin> shouldve been blatantlyu obvious but you never can tell, there's some pretty incompetent ads out there. my favotrites are alkways the ones that use lorem ipsum text
[06:08:07] <DeepWaterDolphin> http://tempest.disquscdn.com/thumbnails/original_240x340/182859.jpeg
[06:08:19] <DeepWaterDolphin> if you vote for hillary this woman will get sad and start crying
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[06:15:00] <Oshwah> Hi everyone!
[06:29:01] <Oshwah> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turis_Romantis Eh, I might have screwed up here.
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[06:29:28] <Oshwah> I A7'd this article, but it's not an unorganized event.
[06:29:53] <Oshwah> organized*
[06:30:00] <Oshwah> lol
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[06:31:09] <Oshwah> Looking at the history, looks like a CSD to me; just think that I chose the wrong criteria (well, yeah I totally did)...
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[06:34:06] <syabrite> DeepWaterDolphin, you still there?
[06:35:46] <comets> Hillary is a poor choice for president
[06:35:59] <comets> but the alternates are even worse :/
[06:36:12] <MJ94> Bernie 2016
[06:36:47] <comets> they guy that looks like a pervert?
[06:36:49] <comets> the*
[06:37:05] <MJ94> May...be?
[06:37:12] <MJ94> comets: Bernie Sanders.
[06:37:25] <MJ94> I like him a lot; I will likely be voting for him.
[06:37:44] <comets> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bernie_Sanders.jpg seriously?
[06:37:54] <comets> makes 'troll face' lol :P
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[06:38:26] <MJ94> He's great :)
[06:38:59] <MJ94> I'll be back in 20-30 minutes.
[06:41:39] <{soap|bed}> sorry did you beed me>i was going to bed
[06:43:59] <syabrite> {soap|bed} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:IHateNeilN
[06:44:06] <syabrite> IHateNeilN
[06:44:38] <syabrite> I believe that username is sufficient cause for a block?
[06:44:57] <syabrite> And he has been vandalizing (though none since my last warning).
[06:45:20] <comets> Lor_, you on Bigpond?
[06:45:20] <syabrite> Oh, nevermind.
[06:45:32] <syabrite> Bongwarrior got him.
[06:45:39] <Lor_> comets, Is my cloak broken?
[06:45:41] <{soap|bed}> bongarriro's good with UAA
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[06:46:04] <comets> nah, wmf blocking bigpond it seems :P
[06:46:14] <Lor_> comets, Hmm, I am on bigpond...What happened?
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[06:46:42] <comets> WMFOffice globally blocked 121.215.0.0/16 (expires 05:16, 12 October 2015) with the following comment: Long-term abuse
[06:46:46] <comets> are u on that range?
[06:47:05] <Lor_> I'll cheeeck...
[06:47:26] <Lor_> Nope
[06:49:09] <comets> cool :)
[06:49:41] <comets> big range though > inetnum: 121.208.0.0 - 121.223.255.255
[06:51:13] <{soap|bed}> its probably you know who
[06:51:40] <Lor_> Still comets, you did ask me that while in the middle of something /important/
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[06:56:12] <MJ94> hi
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[06:59:45] <MJ94> hey syabrite
[07:00:53] <syabrite> Hello MJ94
[07:01:08] <MJ94> How are you?
[07:02:36] <Steven_Zhang> {soap|bed}: voldemort?
[07:02:50] <MJ94> Steven_Zhang: :P
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[07:04:06] <Steven_Zhang>  /query comets hey
[07:04:14] <Steven_Zhang> lol fail
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[07:23:33] <Oshwah> Can an admin please block this user? 'Roseturnip37'
[07:23:40] <Oshwah> page blanking
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[07:37:38] <MJ94> !admin please block Roseturnip37
[07:38:48] <MJ94> Keegan: thanks
[07:38:58] * Keegan goes to sleep :)
[07:39:10] <MJ94> Keegan: nini
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[07:57:13] <Oshwah> MJ94: Ha thanks for reporting. That guy was annoying (Roseturnip37).
[07:58:19] <Oshwah> page blanking, page blanking, page blanking, page blanking, oh and... page blanking.
[07:58:41] <Oshwah> This guy sure didn't like plistpages :-P
[07:58:48] <Oshwah> list pages*
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[09:15:13] <seabay> is wiki still reliable?
[09:15:38] <Shirik> is your internet connection still reliable?
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[09:17:05] <seabay> someone told me the sjws control wikipedia
[09:19:18] <Shirik> I have a video for you
[09:19:23] <Shirik> it has a very important lesson at the end
[09:19:37] <Shirik> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtEpp9lkfxA
[09:19:51] <seabay> cant view it
[09:20:01] <Shirik> you should try using a real internet connection
[09:20:26] <seabay> real connection?
[09:20:43] <Shirik> don't play dumb
[09:20:47] <Shirik> it's offensive
[09:20:55] <seabay> are you sjw?
[09:21:12] <Shirik> no I am Shirik
[09:22:20] <FastLizard4> Shirik: [citation needed]
[09:22:35] <Shirik> I would provide one but it would cite wikipedia
[09:22:49] <Glaisher> <ref>/whois Shirik</ref>
[09:23:31] <seabay> are you owners of wikipedia?
[09:23:38] <FastLizard4> Oh yes
[09:23:57] <seabay> why did you censor?
[09:24:09] <Glaisher> That's cool.
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[09:34:41] <Qcoder00> sebay: Wikipedia censored what exactly?
[09:35:08] <Qcoder00> And I don't understand the term sjws
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[09:35:27] <seabay> sjws want to ban things
[09:35:42] <Qcoder00> Can you explain what sjws are?
[09:35:58] <Qcoder00> (It's an acronym I've not heard before.)
[09:36:00] <seabay> a group of people who wield power secretly
[09:36:15] <seabay> they are like illuminati
[09:36:17] <seabay> but real
[09:36:55] <Qcoder00> Wikipedia is run by the WMF
[09:37:18] <Qcoder00> And as far as I know Jimbo Wales doesn't get invited to Zuckerberg and others BBQ's ;)
[09:37:29] <seabay> whats a good alternative to wikipedia?
[09:37:47] <Qcoder00> sebay: Depends
[09:38:14] <Qcoder00> if you want to pay money - "Britanica" , if you wnat "truth" - Conservpedia
[09:38:25] <Qcoder00> and "truth" is in quotes for a reason
[09:38:31] <seabay> conservapedia is poe's law
[09:38:59] <seabay> what about rational wiki?
[09:39:51] <Qcoder00> Yes
[09:40:10] <seabay> seems a litte sjw
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[09:50:12] <Chess> I signed up!
[09:50:14] <Chess> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Co-op/Chess
[09:50:32] <Chess> now I just need to wait for a bazillion hours
[09:53:48] * Sir_Designer says its 4 o'clock on the morrow and there will be hell to pay,
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[09:55:42] <Qcoder00> Hi alll
[09:55:48] <Qcoder00> Any design people here?
[09:56:01] <Qcoder00> Especially those with experience in drawing pictograms?
[09:56:46] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 just state your need first,  You always invert this,  It does not work that way.
[09:57:16] <Qcoder00> I was wanting some comments on some sign artwork I'd drawn
[09:57:32] <Sir_Designer> good start.  now, linky link
[09:57:44] <Qcoder00> Not uploaded yet... but will be shortly
[10:07:58] <Sir_Designer> ♬ ...spinning South Is Only a Home by [[The Fiery Furnaces]] from the album Gallowsbird's Bark... ♬
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[10:16:13] <Qcoder00> Sir_Designer- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concealed_Water3.svg - " Concealed bank/shore"
[10:16:21] <Sir_Designer> roger.
[10:16:29] <Qcoder00> "https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concealed_Water2.svg" - Concealed Deep eater
[10:16:32] <Qcoder00> *water
[10:16:50] <Qcoder00> Stylisticly I've tried to mirror the ISO ones , but these aren't official ones...
[10:17:00] <Sir_Designer> why the little reed forest?  the flowing lines should suffice (the horiontal)
[10:17:07] <Sir_Designer> horizontal *
[10:17:31] <Sir_Designer> you are only missing the baby moses in a basket
[10:18:18] <Qcoder00> The reed forest is the "Concealed part"
[10:18:19] <Sir_Designer> at any rate, concealed or no, the WEIGHT of the lines you drew is too light.  Look at the massive line around the sign.
[10:18:31] <Qcoder00> Ah
[10:18:33] <Qcoder00> OK
[10:18:38] <Qcoder00> I can change things and tweak
[10:18:52] <Steven_Zhang> nothing to do on wikipedia this time of night
[10:18:55] <Sir_Designer> so, say make 3 concealed thingees only but way heavier.  ditto water
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[10:19:11] <Sir_Designer> Steven_Zhang are you in Oz?
[10:19:18] <Steven_Zhang> sure am
[10:19:24] <Steven_Zhang> you?
[10:19:26] <Sir_Designer> what is the local time?
[10:19:31] <Sir_Designer> Chicago
[10:19:32] <Steven_Zhang> 8.20pm
[10:19:36] <Steven_Zhang> :P
[10:19:45] <Sir_Designer> 5:20 am
[10:20:02] <Qcoder00> Currently the lines are a 5mm stroke
[10:20:03] <Steven_Zhang> i normally do DR
[10:20:11] <Qcoder00> 10mm , 20 mm would be better?
[10:20:18] <Sir_Designer> make them 10 mm and show me the result, Qcoder00
[10:20:21] <Steven_Zhang> but its all taken care of at present
[10:21:20] <Sir_Designer> Steven_Zhang I have a quaint question:  Do locals in Victoria, say, miss the expat musicians who now live and create in LA?
[10:21:51] <Steven_Zhang> not sure
[10:23:30] <Qcoder00> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concealed_Water3.svg - Redrawn
[10:23:40] <Qcoder00> The second one's going to need some work on it
[10:24:03] <Sir_Designer> make the water begin and stop on the reeds.  so make it shorter.  also change 10 mm to 15mm and show me.
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[10:35:10] <Qcoder00> Re-drawn....
[10:35:28] <Qcoder00> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concealed_Water3.svg
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[10:45:30] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 let's try it with +5 mm.  I think it is much better already, don't you agree?
[10:45:41] <Qcoder00> Yes
[10:45:48] <Qcoder00> 20mm stroke then?
[10:45:52] <Sir_Designer> yes
[10:46:39] <Sir_Designer> also, make sure the water end on point, exactly.  meaning, the very vertical end of the bush that is the last reed clump
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[10:47:24] <Sir_Designer> it might even be best to end the water on base on reed.  and begin it also that way.
[10:47:45] <Sir_Designer> on the base of the reed.
[10:49:55] <Sir_Designer> also, if we go past Design 101, the water should undulate equally, i.e. be monotonic of wave.
[10:51:35] <Qcoder00> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concealed_Water3.svg
[10:51:59] <Qcoder00> I had actually been using a bounding box ruler based on point 2
[10:52:39] <Qcoder00> BTW Thw wave here is stylistlcy what the waves on ISO signs do
[10:53:27] <Sir_Designer> very well.
[10:53:34] <Qcoder00> And yes I agree the waves should be monotonic...- the upper one is the original , the other two are cloned..
[10:53:37] <Sir_Designer> but,,, I liked the taller reeds,
[10:54:00] <Qcoder00> With an increased stroke witdth they didn'f fit in spacing terms
[10:54:11] <Sir_Designer> let's tehn go back to 15 mm and taller
[10:54:19] <Qcoder00> Okay
[10:54:29] <Qcoder00> I'll tweak the reeds , but not the waves
[10:54:30] <Sir_Designer> just snip the water to match on point/base
[10:54:57] <Chess> making waves in the community
[10:55:08] <Sir_Designer> making waves FOR the community
[10:56:01] <Chess> You know you can upload new file versions?
[10:56:02] <Sir_Designer> Chess am I your neighbor?
[10:56:14] <Chess> idk
[10:56:16] <Qcoder00> Shall I tweak the wave back to 15mm
[10:56:20] <Qcoder00> Or leave as 20mm?
[10:56:25] <Sir_Designer> Chess well, do you love me?
[10:56:29] <Chess> sure
[10:56:44] <Sir_Designer> Chess then you might be.  Love thy neighbor, and all that.
[10:56:47] <Chess> people ask me that all the time
[10:57:01] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 all strokes at equal thickness.
[10:57:25] <Sir_Designer> Chess must be neighbors
[10:57:58] <Chess> somebody said that me learning java data types was primitive
[10:58:12] <Chess> lol'd so hard
[10:58:14] <Sir_Designer> Chess for example, Qcoder00 is my neighbor (only one hop by aircraft, commercial).  So he loves me.
[10:58:41] <Chess> everywhere in the world is 1hop
[10:58:47] <Sir_Designer> Chess did they mean to say those data types were primitives?
[10:58:52] <Chess> just charter
[10:59:08] <Sir_Designer> Chess that's cheeting.  by commercial plane.
[10:59:13] <Chess> No, the act of learning about them was primitive
[10:59:18] <Chess> it's commercial if you pay
[10:59:31] <Sir_Designer> let us say scheduled traffic
[11:00:02] <Chess> you have to file flight plans in advance
[11:00:26] <Chess> unless you're doing short VFR flights
[11:00:26] <Sir_Designer> that also knocks out the Europen custom of flying people buslike to Cyprus or Crete from sullen skies airports only in summer for vacations
[11:01:52] <Chess> all traffic is scheduled
[11:02:00] <Chess> that's what a flight plan is
[11:02:18] <Chess> also what frequency do you mean by scheduled?
[11:02:44] <Chess> Once a day? A week? A month? A year? In eternity?
[11:03:46] <Qcoder00> Himm... Getting a monotonic wave is harder than I though
[11:03:51] <Qcoder00> even using bezier toold
[11:03:53] <Qcoder00> *tools
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[11:04:39] <Sir_Designer> best to find a wave line and snip nicely, then repicate
[11:05:32] <Sir_Designer> Chess I think you can tell that there are permanent connections and seasonal.  We make that distinction in our wikipedia articles about airports
[11:07:21] <Sir_Designer> Chess so, are you, under that category, my neighbor?  My airports are CHI
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[11:08:00] <Chess> YYZ
[11:08:50] <Chess> I have daily flights from YTZ to MDW
[11:08:52] <Chess> soo
[11:08:52] <Sir_Designer> you ARE my neighbor.  Even your Porter airlines flying to the on the lake airport (what code is that?) are of neighborly quality.  It costs 380 to fly on Canada (Air) to Pearson.
[11:08:55] <Chess> Yeah I am
[11:09:14] <Chess> YTZ is the island airport
[11:09:54] <Sir_Designer> i think I would like to fly to the island airport.   I heard a public radio COMMERCIAL about biking to my destination after flying on Porter
[11:10:24] <Sir_Designer> YTZ has to be cooler than Midway
[11:10:44] <Sir_Designer> though Midway terminal/street side is pretty cool
[11:11:52] <Sir_Designer> I have never-met friends and old professor in Toronto.  In General, Toronto is like Chicago, only not as extensively parklanded on the lake
[11:12:49] <Sir_Designer> but musically, it is the bee's knees, just like Chicago,
[11:13:04] <Sir_Designer> I heart Toronto!
[11:16:25] <Lycurgus> the first time I flew (at about age 5 or 6) it was into midway
[11:16:46] <Lycurgus> and I flew alone
[11:17:04] <Lycurgus> not sure they would allow that now
[11:17:34] <Sir_Designer> did you like it?
[11:17:47] <Lycurgus> i remember it without angst
[11:18:52] <Lycurgus> was DC to chicago, so wouldn't have been long
[11:19:10] <Sir_Designer> on Southwest?
[11:19:23] <Sir_Designer> or American?
[11:19:36] <Lycurgus> probably American or United
[11:20:32] <Sir_Designer> well, if you would do it today, you would be dazed by a new gleaming airport that sprawls over Cicero
[11:23:05] <Lycurgus> yeah I just looked at the article, my thoughts of the place are largely shaped by it's long period of downtime
[11:23:24] <Qcoder00> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concealed_Water3.svg - OK - Fixed up the waves.... and went back to slightly taller reeds
[11:23:25] <Qcoder00> :)
[11:23:28] <Sir_Designer> now it is ORD that is kinda dowdy
[11:23:46] <Qcoder00> I've got some hints on how to fix the other one now - Thanks :)
[11:23:58] <Sir_Designer> also, both sort of shut down at night, so they are not Barcelona-grade (night life!) at all,
[11:24:01] <Sir_Designer> no sir,
[11:24:19] <Sir_Designer> we have basically dowdy latenight.
[11:24:38] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 you are welcome.
[11:24:47] <Qcoder00> (BTW On the one just linked I went back to the UK Traffic sign Workking Drawings...for a hint on how to do the waves....)
[11:24:52] <Lycurgus> that's pretty much true of all US airports, except the ones with major intl traffic
[11:24:58] <Qcoder00> It's still unoffical but I think it's usable now
[11:25:08] <Lycurgus> which should include ORD
[11:25:22] <Sir_Designer> Lycurgus but quaintly, we still shut down
[11:25:26] <Chess> Let's look at arbcom
[11:25:36] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 link me oce again
[11:25:55] <Qcoder00> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concealed_Water3.svg
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[11:26:28] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 cook.
[11:26:29] <Qcoder00> I'm going to have another look at the border width some time later
[11:26:34] <Sir_Designer> cool, I meant ;)
[11:26:53] <Qcoder00> For these purposes I was using a tweaked version of the UK P500 sign
[11:26:55] <Sir_Designer> I thought border width is canonical
[11:27:04] <Qcoder00> Not for Hazzard signs...
[11:27:14] <Sir_Designer> show me two that differ
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[11:27:22] <Qcoder00> OK point taken
[11:27:29] <Qcoder00> I don't know the actual figure...
[11:27:31] <Qcoder00> :(
[11:27:37] <Qcoder00> So I judged what looked right
[11:27:54] <Sir_Designer> lift it from an actual sign
[11:28:18] <Qcoder00> If someone has a cannonical figure for a Hazzard sign vs the tweaked p500 model I'm using here...
[11:28:29] <Qcoder00> I can changes it
[11:28:51] <Sir_Designer> why not place a screen capture of another sign in the same page and then do the surgery
[11:30:27] <Qcoder00> Great, but I don't at present have some reference examples... not a big issue :)
[11:30:36] <Qcoder00> I'll ask on  the refdesk about this :)
[11:30:45] <Qcoder00> Thanks for the design hints
[11:30:54] <Qcoder00> The pictogram is easy to fix...
[11:30:58] <Qcoder00> The outer sign also :)
[11:31:11] <Qcoder00> Just needs me to find the figures
[11:31:12] <Qcoder00> :)
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[11:33:05] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 glad I could be of help.
[11:34:12] <Qcoder00> At the moment it's just a case of border width
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[11:49:45] <a9309131> IDoH: It seems that there is actually a breaking change higher up the chain that will need to be investigated to get defconbot to work again :/
[11:55:28] <IDoH> a9309131: Really? Like on wmflabs?
[11:57:12] <a9309131> IDoH: Not sure, will try look as soon as I get time.
[11:57:19] <IDoH> All right.
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[12:16:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a9309131 how does defcon bot even work?
[12:16:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> would it not be interesting to use revision scoring service?
[12:18:05] <Qcoder00> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33480257
[12:18:17] <Qcoder00> When they catch crackers they get tough :)
[12:18:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> of course
[12:19:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its stuff like this gets ignored: https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/
[12:21:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> search for .uk
[12:23:11] <Sir_Designer> ToAruShiroiNeko it is not ognored.  It's on BBC and presumably National Public Radio and the US news in general.
[12:24:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It is? Because it is bigger than snowdens leak
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[12:25:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Royal babies leaks had bigger coverage IMHO
[12:26:43] <Sir_Designer> maybe.
[12:27:00] <Sir_Designer> Cat, have you seen this?  http://asgp.org
[12:27:42] <Sir_Designer> click on hte gray A Small Garlic Press sign
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[12:34:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer what is it?
[12:34:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it looks sooooo 90s
[12:36:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Mexican drug lord Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman escapes jail
[12:36:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Do you think he will attend wikimania?
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[12:38:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/emailid/435111 <- what an unfortunate exchange
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[12:38:24] <comets> killed one mouse last night with a putter, and squished one just minutes ago with a STB :/
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[12:38:34] <comets> iz i going to hell? :'(
[12:38:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes, mouse hell
[12:38:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko> where you will serve mice all day long
[12:39:52] <comets> :'(
[12:40:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mice must die
[12:40:26] <comets> wel i did the decent thing
[12:40:32] <comets> i flushed them down the toilet :DD
[12:41:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> isnt that counterproductive
[12:41:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you are providing them with sustenance
[12:41:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and it can clog you know
[12:42:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I use cats to deal with my mice problems
[12:42:41] <Sir_Designer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnVEHwuBqGk&feature=youtu.be&list=PLuhGkwFtj6xVHqbLOabn9QhLqjV_O3r5s    ToAruShiroiNeko this is much better than any Japanese vocaloid music.  So calming.
[12:43:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6Iys1l2qw
[12:43:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so vicious
[12:44:40] <Dimichi> ToAruShiroiNeko, why you don't use apostrophes?
[12:44:47] <Dimichi> You used it...
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[12:55:52] <NotASpy> not sure whas happening here, ToAruShiroiNeko.
[12:56:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm?
[12:56:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> here being?
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[13:24:47] <Qcoder00> Thought I'd put a note aboute this - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/jobs/student-and-work-placements.htm
[13:25:13] <Qcoder00> NA is looking for a partnership with a student on a course that needs a placement it seems...
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[13:33:18] <Sir_Designer> ToAruShiroiNeko do you suppose cuteness is a venereal disease?
[13:33:47] <Sir_Designer> onset condition through surfeit of loving feelings
[13:33:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> umm
[13:34:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there are studies indicating "cute" is merely a maternal reaction
[13:34:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> for your brain big eyes compared to the ehad = babay
[13:34:48] <Sir_Designer> so, guys with kitten fetishes are those with extra estrogen?
[13:35:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> maybe maternal wasnt the right word
[13:35:18] <Sir_Designer> maybe it was dead right.
[13:35:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its a fatherly and motherly feeling I suppose
[13:35:59] <Sir_Designer> it looks damn ugly in the fatherly edition, I have to tell ya.
[13:37:01] <Sir_Designer> some guys upload their own penises... and other guys bequeath cute kittens.  I think there is a link there.
[13:44:49] <Sir_Designer> Sir_Designer don't worry about it, ToAruShiroiNeko. I know these valences are culturally local to specific circles,  I am sure there is a manly cute cat-lovin' Masai or Dinka warrior somewhere in Eastern Africa
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[15:59:27] <MJ94> syabrite: hi! I was literally just gonna ping you.
[15:59:34] <MJ94> thanks for the message on my talk page
[15:59:42] <syabrite> No problem.
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[17:08:06] <git> https://i.imgur.com/YmQyBUc.png
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[17:10:02] <Bsadowski1> lol git
[17:13:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git clone Bsadowski1
[17:13:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do it!
[17:14:10] <git> no
[17:14:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :(
[17:14:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git push Bsadowski1
[17:15:36] <JeDa> git pull
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[17:15:59] <JeDa> git commit -m "Bsadowski1 is a flower"
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[17:19:16] <{soap|bed}> hi geofbot
[17:19:26] <GEOFBOT|verybusy> yo
[17:20:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> JeDa really?
[17:20:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> git commit -m "to Bsadowski1"
[17:20:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Worship him!
[17:20:33] <JeDa> lol
[17:21:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.fun-with-words.com/cide_words.html
[17:21:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
[17:21:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Christicide <- not a useful word
[17:21:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> too specific
[17:23:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> fratricide?
[17:23:28] <Bsadowski1> o:
[17:23:45] <Bsadowski1> git clone yourmum
[17:24:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> that would be problematic
[17:24:11] <{soap|bed}> hmm
[17:24:24] <{soap|bed}> is the word for vaccine related to cows?  i jnotice "vaccicide" on the list
[17:24:33] <{soap|bed}> huh,. it is
[17:24:44] <{soap|bed}> the first ever vaccine came from cowpox
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[17:28:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> pesticide!
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[17:29:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> onmicide
[17:31:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/12/world/mexico-el-chapo-escape/
[17:32:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Will he be a wikimania atendee?
[17:35:20] <{soap|bed}> hes apparently the most wanted fugitive in the entire world
[17:35:30] <{soap|bed}> worse than all the surviving al-Qaeda people
[17:35:52] <{soap|bed}> previously, he was #2 behind bin Laden
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[17:37:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> was?
[17:38:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> still is
[17:38:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> bear in mind FBI has different classes of most wanted
[17:38:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they dont put bin laden and this freak in the same category normally
[17:40:01] <{soap|bed}> hmm? pretty sure Binny is dead
[17:40:06] <{soap|bed}> therefore no longer #1 most wanted
[17:40:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPxRCc--6f0 <- lol
[17:40:51] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_10_Most_Wanted <-- i was using this. technically its not quite up to date, having last been written in 2011.  Since then, El Chapo has been recaptured and re-re-broken out of prison
[17:41:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> {soap|bed} by very nature if #1 is gone a new #1 emergers
[17:41:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> former #2
[17:41:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> If I were him I would hide in the prison
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[18:26:18] <darev> Hello!
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[18:27:43] <Amortias> evening
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[18:32:18] <SigmaWP> darev: Salve!
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[18:46:09] <Sir_Designer> {soap|bed} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YJ9NpviNOU&feature=youtu.be    still does not play for ya, or different now?
[18:46:49] <Sir_Designer> i formally challenged the copyvio
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[18:55:14] <Sir_Designer> Amortias Sir_Designer darev  can you folks play the video I just linked without problems?
[18:55:25] <Sir_Designer> SigmaWP ?
[18:55:41] <SigmaWP> > youtube
[18:55:44] <Sir_Designer> yes
[18:55:46] <SigmaWP> I'm 300% confident that it's a yes
[18:55:57] <Sir_Designer> how so?
[18:56:24] <SigmaWP> Bayes theorem
[18:56:41] <SigmaWP> but if you insist, /me click
[18:56:53] <SigmaWP> it works
[18:56:58] <Sir_Designer> thank you
[18:57:14] <{soap|bed}> yewah it plays
[18:57:20] <Sir_Designer> it's nice of Google to make it playable while my plaint is being considered....
[18:58:13] <{soap|bed}> "i crashed my car into the bridge"
[18:58:21] <Sir_Designer> sweet lyrics
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[18:58:31] <Sir_Designer> i can sort of identify with them
[19:00:01] <Sir_Designer> ToAruShiroiNeko are you offended?   I did not mean to offend you,
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[19:05:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Am I supposed to be offended?
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[19:14:13] <Sir_Designer> When 3 or more Canadians gather, the proper term is an "apology," an "apology of Canadians."
[19:14:27] <Sir_Designer> sometimes twitter is priceless.
[19:14:32] <Sir_Designer> and merciless.
[19:14:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer can 3 canadians gather?
[19:15:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean they are soooo evenly spaced out
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[19:15:21] <Sir_Designer> why not?  are there quark forces involved to stop this event?
[19:15:41] <SigmaWP> ToAruShiroiNeko: how well do you know japanese/
[19:15:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I imagine they would dodge each other at the bizzire sight of seeing another human being :p
[19:15:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SigmaWP depends
[19:15:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am terible with knajji
[19:15:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *kanji
[19:15:58] <SigmaWP> bruh
[19:16:01] <SigmaWP> are you even asian
[19:16:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> No.
[19:16:15] <Sir_Designer> SigmaWP Cat just claimed he has a watertight, erm, knowledge of basic Japanese.
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[19:16:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am as asian as Sir_Designer I suppose
[19:17:20] <Sir_Designer> my people came from Israel or were on the way there for thousands of years.  other of my people indeed came from central asia
[19:17:44] <Sir_Designer> but that was 100 ad
[19:17:52] <Sir_Designer> 100 - 600 ad
[19:18:03] <Sir_Designer> for the asia people
[19:18:49] <Sir_Designer> ToAruShiroiNeko were you born in Europe, technically?
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[19:19:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer yes
[19:19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer 100ad is kind of a long time agi
[19:19:37] <Sir_Designer> lucky you.  I hold you thereby responsible for all of Greek Troubles, in your sorry part of it,
[19:19:40] <Sir_Designer> or whatever.
[19:19:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer well I do pay for it
[19:20:45] <Sir_Designer> I just got a European Union passport in order to be able to spend Euros all over the creation, not to have the creation change to drachmas.
[19:21:10] <lfaraone> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_oversight links to #wikipedia-en and #wikipedia-en-help. Shouldn't it link to #wikipedia-en-revdel instead?
[19:21:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it should
[19:21:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but we dont often look at that channel
[19:23:44] <Sir_Designer> SigmaWP we could say ToAruShiroiNeko has been infected by kawaii meme from a to z, including arcane ai tech
[19:24:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Objection, I merely translated my username to japanese
[19:24:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I also wanted something unique I can google
[19:24:57] <Sir_Designer> no, I am really taking here into account everything you link (and, apparently, find adorable)
[19:25:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> That isnt necesarily true
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[19:25:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I link ponponpon
[19:25:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and I find it to be a freak of nature
[19:25:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> well
[19:25:43] <Sir_Designer> it may be an overstatement, but do tell us how it is so.
[19:25:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not even nature
[19:25:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> just freaky
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[19:26:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I tend to link what I find bizziew
[19:26:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> earlier on I linked to CNN, I DONT find CNN adorable.
[19:26:36] <Sir_Designer> ok.  so you don't link, like I do, content that you want others to like, as I do.
[19:26:43] <Sir_Designer> other than straight news
[19:29:09] <Sir_Designer> ♬ ...spinning Keep Your Lips Sealed by [[The Dø]] from the album Shake, Shook, Shaken... ♬
[19:30:20] <Ironholds> afternoon
[19:30:32] <Amortias> evening
[19:30:37] <Sir_Designer> good day, Oliver
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[19:31:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> meh
[19:32:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there are things I like that I link, but more often its stuff I find bizzire or odd
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[19:33:31] <Sir_Designer> I nearly never link or mention music/musicians that I would find less than compelling in a good -- this is worthy music -- way,
[19:34:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you did link me that bizzire video
[19:34:10] <Josve05a> Anyone here an admin on http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/
[19:34:11] <Josve05a> ?
[19:34:14] <Sir_Designer> which one?
[19:34:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I typically do not link music because that is a matter of taste
[19:34:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> french one Sir_Designer
[19:35:15] <Sir_Designer> ah, the Ba$$in music peace by Yello.  Aside from being bizarre, it is very good and funny too.
[19:35:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :/
[19:35:27] <Sir_Designer> and in French with ENglish subtitles made by hte band,
[19:35:36] <Sir_Designer> Yelle *
[19:35:48] <Sir_Designer> bassin = hips
[19:36:02] <Sir_Designer> des ronds avec ton bassin
[19:36:13] <Sir_Designer> [make] circles with your hips
[19:36:35] <[ceradon]> Edits seem to be infrequent as well.
[19:36:46] <{soap|bed}> i wonder if thats on the French caramelldansen video
[19:36:56] <[ceradon]> Wrong channel, sorry.
[19:37:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> of course there isnt
[19:37:17] <{soap|bed}> ah hgmm theres no french
[19:37:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> caramelldansen is swedish
[19:37:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> by very nature all videos are swedish
[19:37:44] <{soap|bed}> yeahb ut they translated their signatrure video into English, Germna, Spanish, and Japanese
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[19:37:49] <Sir_Designer> {soap|bed} they have a whole series of videos with lyrics in both English and French, and an app for iPhone and Android that allows you to use the camera to see the language of your choice,  3-d stuff.
[19:37:51] <{soap|bed}> i like their English version better than the original
[19:39:09] <Sir_Designer> i am still working on "Ba$$in" to understand the French completely.  The English meaning I have got so far is very funny,  I refuse to believe the French is less on point.
[19:40:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer I have long given up on trying to understand the french
[19:40:47] <Sir_Designer> ToAruShiroiNeko I am sure you are pooh-poohing your real French abilities,  With all that exposure day in day out...
[19:41:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you make it sound like I get day to day interraction
[19:41:40] <Sir_Designer> well, when you shop?
[19:43:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm I suppose
[19:43:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but that involves nearly no communication
[19:43:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> self scan self pay
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[19:44:29] <{soap|bed}> act'y Caramelldansen seems to sing mostly in Eng now
[19:44:31] <Sir_Designer> I would seek out attractive or cool looking cashiers and try out my funny french on them
[19:44:35] <BobTheWikipedian> howdy
[19:44:45] <Sir_Designer> hi Bob
[19:44:56] <BobTheWikipedian> speaking of foreign languages, anyone know where i can get help reading japanese in a photo?
[19:45:08] <Sir_Designer> right here
[19:45:12] <BobTheWikipedian> oooo
[19:45:20] <{soap|bed}> hi BobTheWikipedian
[19:45:21] <Sir_Designer> link us
[19:45:24] <BobTheWikipedian> http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/grimm/images/7/71/201-Kimura_tattoos.png/revision/latest?cb=20120816055722
[19:45:48] <{soap|bed}> that shouldnt be too difficult
[19:45:54] <BobTheWikipedian> all i have been able to figure out so far is something about the volcano causing forest fires
[19:46:02] <BobTheWikipedian> maybe
[19:46:12] <BobTheWikipedian> google translate has been very unhelpful
[19:46:19] <{soap|bed}> Im leaving for worek in a few minutes thogh
[19:46:19] <Sir_Designer> it looks like Japanese poetry
[19:46:33] <BobTheWikipedian> how can you tell, sir designer?
[19:46:42] <BobTheWikipedian> soap have fun at worek
[19:47:01] <Sir_Designer> the hard part is that I cannot. ;)  It feels that way, from layout and the frequency of kana within the text
[19:47:08] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[19:47:28] <{soap|bed}> yeah i wonder if tattoos are commonly written top to bottom like that
[19:47:31] <Sir_Designer> but send your query to my co-translator and friend Kazue Daikoku in Tokyo....  happano.org
[19:47:51] <BobTheWikipedian> it is from the show "grimm"... the tattoos on this guy's back were supposed to confirm that he belonged to the dragon's tongue
[19:47:59] <{soap|bed}> hmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kazue_daikoku~enwiki
[19:48:28] <Sir_Designer> yeah, same woman,  she worked on a single article and then sort of gave up
[19:48:45] <{soap|bed}> she seems to be slightly more active on jawiki https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5:%E6%8A%95%E7%A8%BF%E8%A8%98%E9%8C%B2/Kazue_daikoku
[19:48:50] <Sir_Designer> Kawasaki is a suburb of Tokyo
[19:48:56] <{soap|bed}> but probably best to just use regfulkar email
[19:49:13] <Sir_Designer> use editor@  or just the website
[19:50:09] <MJ94> hello.
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[19:50:27] <Sir_Designer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki,_Kanagawa
[19:50:44] <{soap|bed}> thats where the motorcycles come from?
[19:50:56] <{soap|bed}> oops nope
[19:50:59] <{soap|bed}> its just a surname
[19:51:00] <Sir_Designer> well, i am not sure, but that would be the way to bet.
[19:51:54] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford,_Kansas  <--- nope! not the headquarters of Ford Motor Company
[19:52:26] <{soap|bed}> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple,_Oklahoma <--- this is where the computers come from, right?
[19:53:22] <Sir_Designer> One Infinity Loop, kind sir.  which is finding its way more and more into the state of Apple Software, sad to say
[19:53:37] <Sir_Designer> you will find this interesting, {soap|bed}   "Koreatown: eastern Kawasaki has the second largest concentration of Koreans in Japan after Osaka.[citation needed] In 1997 it became the first municipality to allow non-Japanese nationals to take civil service employment."
[19:54:07] <{soap|bed}> cool
[19:55:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> umm
[19:55:43] <Sir_Designer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Railways_around_Yokohama-Kawasaki.png
[19:55:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> HQs are located where there is a tax advantage quite often
[19:56:12] <Sir_Designer> our article mentions Fujitsu
[19:56:16] <Sir_Designer> in Kawasaki
[19:57:39] <Sir_Designer> but you are so right, {soap|bed} "The company is named after its founder Shōzō Kawasaki and has no connection with the city of Kawasaki, Kanagawa."  (Kawasaki Heavy Industries)
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[20:00:52] <BobTheWikipedian> just had a disturbing thought, though
[20:01:21] <{soap|bed}> In the stone age, Japan was connected to mainland Asia by at least one land bridge and was peopled by nomads from the mainland (see History of the Japanese people).   <--- i want to fix that later when i get home
[20:01:56] <{soap|bed}> "the stone age" is such a huge length of time that its basically meaningless
[20:02:13] <Sir_Designer> they might mean paelolithic?
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[20:02:34] <{soap|bed}> i'll fix it later if no one else does
[20:02:41] <{soap|bed}> its unreferenced anyway
[20:02:42] <BobTheWikipedian> the show has been known to compare the Japanese government with the Nazis and Spanish Inquisition and make them look more corrupt than they really were
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[20:02:58] <{soap|bed}> Im not sure i even pelieve it. the Sea of Japan is pretty deep evwerywhere, isnt it?
[20:03:07] <BobTheWikipedian> so i wonder if this translator friend would be offended
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[20:03:51] <Sir_Designer> Kazue is a very keen mind.  No one asking her about written aspects of Japanese culture could possibly offend her.  And you may make a valuable connection
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[20:04:51] <BobTheWikipedian> i think i will trust you mareklug ;)
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[20:05:09] <Sir_Designer> if I am wrong, imagine my fallout. ;) ;)
[20:05:17] <BobTheWikipedian> hah!
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[20:08:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sir_Designer probably 3
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[20:11:40] <BobTheWikipedian> well mareklug, your japanese translator connection now hangs on a thin thread dangling from an email from america containing a photo of a man's back covered in potentially offensive tattoos :)
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[20:13:16] <SuicidalZerg> One of these days, I am going to learn to read and understand Japanese
[20:13:22] <BobTheWikipedian> lol
[20:13:28] <SuicidalZerg> For the sole purpose of reading the Dragon Ball manga
[20:13:39] <BobTheWikipedian> i have been watching sailor moon with the captions on
[20:13:43] <BobTheWikipedian> the english captions
[20:13:59] <SuicidalZerg> Same thing with DB :p
[20:14:32] <BobTheWikipedian> interestingly enough, my memory of the show is in english even though i hear japanese
[20:15:06] <BobTheWikipedian> but i still couldn't tell you anything they say that's japanese :D
[20:16:03] <BobTheWikipedian> i'm glad digimon is dubbed over with english
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[20:27:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SuicidalZerg might I suggest a diffwerent profession?
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[20:32:26] <Sir_Designer> ToAruShiroiNeko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mareklug  ;)   last two.
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[20:33:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koreans_in_Japan&type=revision&diff=671153500&oldid=663723448 {{fact}} ?
[20:33:51] <Sir_Designer> the article makes use of facts there.  I am sure we can find a better source, though
[20:34:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> we should
[20:34:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> an encyclopedia isnt a reliable source typically
[20:34:20] <Sir_Designer> that is why I employed a long quote.  to help look.
[20:34:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EXfNcJa3sQ ?
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[20:35:45] <midgetpower> What was that movie where (I thought) Mel Gibson (or somebody who looks like him) sleeps in a tube for decades and wakes up to his love being old or something like that? It had a very strange tone, I remember. I'd like to watch it again, but looking at Mel Gibson's actor movies, I can't see anything related to that between 1995 and 2005 where I believe it was shown on TV and looked "present".
[20:36:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> seriously though perhaps http://discovermagazine.com/1998/jun/japaneseroots1455/ ?
[20:36:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its very long :(
[20:37:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SuicidalZerg: http://img.memecdn.com/OMG-ZERGS_o_96456.jpg
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[20:38:21] <PontoCom_BR> hello.
[20:38:26] <[ceradon]> hello.
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[20:42:07] <TrueCRaysball> !admin can someone give this user a reality check about the purpose of user talk pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curse_of_Fenric
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[20:44:54] <PontoCom_BR> [ceradon]: hi.
[20:45:05] <Sir_Designer> TrueCRaysball admins can make the same points non-admins can.  Feel free,
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[20:45:56] <TrueCRaysball> Sir_Designer: he won't listen to me anymore, if you note on his talk page, he's "banned" me from leaving him a message. Even if I was to ignore the message like I can, there's zero chance he'd listen.
[20:47:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what
[20:47:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you cant do that
[20:48:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this user has been around almost as much as I have
[20:49:00] <MJ94> Perhaps I should give him a rubik's cube.
[20:49:11] <TrueCRaysball> the user was absent from WP from 2007 to 2015
[20:49:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> MJ94 more like air drop a box of them
[20:49:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> -_-
[20:49:38] <MJ94> I was absent in 2013.
[20:50:08] <TrueCRaysball> He left for that duration to protest that he wasn't getting his way with the Australian pro wrestling pages.
[20:50:14] <MJ94> The following users are not under any circumstances to leave any messages on this page for any reason including any warnings or notifications - they will be burned on sight;
[20:50:21] <MJ94> You will be burned on sight.
[20:50:27] <MJ94> Salem Witch, you!
[20:50:45] <TrueCRaysball> Oh no. I have been found out. </sarcasm>
[20:50:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> (If I add you here and you are an admin I am not aware of this and you need to let me know. I will never burn an admin's notice on sight with the knowledge that they are in that position)
[20:50:57] <MJ94> [ceradon]: You are an admin!
[20:50:58] <Shirik> so what happens if I delete that section
[20:51:01] <MJ94> Congrats!
[20:51:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> can an admin tell him to stop banning people from commenting?
[20:51:07] <[ceradon]> Yes.
[20:51:16] <[ceradon]> And thank you.
[20:51:18] <Shirik> he promised he won't ban an admin
[20:51:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> umm
[20:51:28] <Sir_Designer> i just removed the section
[20:51:31] <Shirik> damn it
[20:51:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so what if one of the three banend people becme admin?
[20:51:47] <TrueCRaysball> I'm ready to put him up for community ban, he's been nothing but hostile towards the pro wrestling wikiproject.
[20:51:51] <NotASpy> that's awful and brilliant in equal measure.
[20:52:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TrueCRaysball that will not work
[20:52:21] <TrueCRaysball> I didn't say I was, I just said I'm ready to.
[20:52:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> he hasnt disrupted the project, at best you'll get him a topic ban
[20:52:27] <Shirik> what you'll end up getting is an interaction ban, which is what he wants anyway
[20:52:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I propose trying to convince him to change his ways
[20:52:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> seemingly he thinks admins are somehow special
[20:53:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so perhaps an admin should explain how wrong he is
[20:53:03] <TrueCRaysball> He won't change his ways. He's like I was when I joined WP. "I'm right, you're wrong, and there's nothing you can say to change my opinion."
[20:53:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TrueCRaysball let him fail and prove it
[20:53:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> right now it will look like a boring long content dispute
[20:53:45] <TrueCRaysball> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#King_of_the_Ring
[20:53:54] <TrueCRaysball> Biggest example of his hostilities ^
[20:53:59] <Sir_Designer> except for the ban list which was over the top and anyone would have zapped it.
[20:54:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TrueCRaysball its more than 3 lines, few will read it
[20:54:29] <TrueCRaysball> still, it's there.
[20:54:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ACurse+of+Fenric <- clean block log
[20:55:01] <TrueCRaysball> Which amazes me really.
[20:55:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am giving you a realistic perspective.
[20:55:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what you rpopose will only make yourself look bad
[20:55:20] <TrueCRaysball> I know.
[20:55:26] <TrueCRaysball> which is why I'm not proposing it
[20:55:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> good
[20:55:35] <TrueCRaysball> I just said the feeling is there
[20:55:37] <Sir_Designer> TrueCRaysball yes... let him run afoul some blocking.  ANd advice to you: find other parts of Wikipedia for yourself where you do not encounter him.
[20:55:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> your first task is to find an admin
[20:55:57] <TrueCRaysball> ToAruShiroiNeko: which is why I loaded up IRC
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[20:56:34] <TrueCRaysball> Sir_Designer: with that attitude, it won't take much
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[20:57:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> TrueCRaysball my suggestion from experience is to find an admin to explain him why his behaviour is wrong
[20:57:14] <TrueCRaysball> I see Paris, I see France, I see meoblast001's IP address. (*ahem* cheap joke, I know)
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[20:57:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if he is willing to change, props. Or else he will self destruct
[20:57:25] <meoblast001> lol ;D
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[20:57:55] <meoblast001> sometimes i connect through sweden and sometimes i connect raw ;D
[20:58:14] <TrueCRaysball> [ceradon]: would you be willing to talk to him?
[20:58:35] <[ceradon]> Talk to who?
[20:58:56] <TrueCRaysball> Curse of Fenric, the guy we've been talking about
[20:59:48] <[ceradon]> What's the problem?
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[21:00:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> [ceradon] I have a very limited understanding but user banned 3 people from commenting on his talk page
[21:00:24] <TrueCRaysball> ToAruShiroiNeko: his biggest problem is that he accuses anyone of calling his own mistakes out "baiting", he excuses his own rudeness by saying he was "provoked" (as if that excuses him from WP:CIVIL), and he loves to edit/remove other people
[21:00:31] <TrueCRaysball> 's comments on talk pages
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[21:01:29] <TrueCRaysball> Hell, an IP reverting him doing such a thing earlier today.
[21:01:35] <Bsadowski1> TrueCRaysball!
[21:01:36] <Bsadowski1> :D
[21:01:45] <Bsadowski1> afeauwfheuiawnhfurwehngfaser
[21:01:48] <Bsadowski1> wat
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[21:05:18] <Josve05a> grunt...https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105651
[21:08:57] <TrueCRaysball> ToAruShiroiNeko: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling&diff=671114045&oldid=671112591
[21:11:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> like I said
[21:11:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you need an admin
[21:11:47] <MJ94> Can someone {{uw-spamublock}} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SNATTI_NACIONAL please?
[21:11:52] <MJ94> See deleted contribs.
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[21:13:02] <[ceradon]> MJ94, give me a second.
[21:13:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> times up
[21:13:30] <MJ94> [ceradon]: oh, I thought you went away, sorry.
[21:13:50] <[ceradon]> No problem.
[21:14:59] <[ceradon]> MJ94, done.
[21:15:54] <Amortias> [ceradon] can you remove a permission from my account while your playing witht he admin toolset
[21:16:22] <[ceradon]> Sure, which one?
[21:16:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> INDEF! >:D
[21:16:40] <Amortias> well i appear to have autopatrolled despite never creating an article...
[21:17:04] <[ceradon]> Mhm. Okay.
[21:17:13] <hexersTSN> who is nimrod in history
[21:19:48] * TrueCRaysball indef blocks ToAruShiroiNeko from his talk page. ;)
[21:20:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you do realise that brings certain risks
[21:20:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am known to hand out barnstars
[21:20:27] * TrueCRaysball quickly unblocks ToAruShiroiNeko
[21:20:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you know
[21:20:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if the 3 people he banned gave him a barnstar he would be quite confused
[21:21:27] <TrueCRaysball> I have my own special barnstar on the Simple English Wikipedia I could "port" over to enWP for that.
[21:21:34] <[ceradon]> Amortias, done.
[21:21:39] <Amortias> cheers
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[21:28:08] <MJ94> Matthew_!
[21:29:13] <Matthew_> Hello!
[21:29:24] <MJ94> Matthew_: It's been a long time.
[21:29:39] <Matthew_> Indeed… I haven’t started up my personal computer in a week lol
[21:32:57] <MJ94> wow...why?
[21:35:11] <Matthew_> Work XD When I get home I don’t wanna spend more hours on the computer tbh
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[21:39:22] <MJ94> Hey Dragonfly6-7
[21:39:22] <Dragonfly6-7> does anyone here have a newspapers.com account
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[21:40:08] <MJ94> Dragonfly6-7: I don't, sorry, but how are you?
[21:40:32] <Dragonfly6-7> I'm all right
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[22:05:22] <sakerick> any freethinkers?
[22:05:55] <Ironholds> sakerick, by that do you mean "reasonable human being", "likes arguing for the sake of it" or "libertarian"?
[22:05:57] <foks> what a great way to begin a conversaion
[22:06:07] <Ironholds> foks, sets off like -5 alarm bells in my head yep
[22:06:15] <foks> abso
[22:08:09] <sakerick> i'm a libertarian
[22:10:25] <Dragonfly6-7> i;m so terribly sorry
[22:10:33] <sakerick> because i stand for liberty
[22:10:34] <Ironholds> sakerick, I hear there's therapy you can get, nowadays
[22:10:44] <Ironholds> really? I stand for like, trying to get ice cream out of my freezer
[22:10:50] <Dragonfly6-7> Ironholds - did you see that there's a high-placed BNP official openly editing?
[22:10:51] <Ironholds> I'm not a very tall person and the shelf is very high up
[22:10:55] <Ironholds> sometimes I stand for stretching
[22:10:59] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7, I did not!
[22:11:06] <Dragonfly6-7> his name was....
[22:11:07] <Dragonfly6-7> argh
[22:11:16] <Dragonfly6-7> I found him yesterday
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[22:11:20] <Dragonfly6-7> let me check
[22:11:25] <sakerick> it's not easy being a libertarian atheist but i manage
[22:11:30] <Ironholds> Darryl or Wayne? It's probably either Darryl or Wayne
[22:11:35] <Ironholds> sakerick, ahh, poe's law strikes again
[22:12:29] <sakerick> why is it so hard to believe that i support freedom?
[22:12:50] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - because the typical advocate of libertarianism is an ignorant hypocrite.
[22:13:03] <sakerick> i may be atheist but i support the right for christians to deny cakes to gays
[22:13:13] <GorillaWarfare> hah
[22:13:14] <foks> oh dear
[22:13:19] <GorillaWarfare> Of all things to take a stand on
[22:13:21] <foks> where is this conversation going
[22:13:24] <sakerick> its all about freedom regardless of personal views
[22:13:28] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - you personally may not be an ignorant hypocrite.
[22:13:32] <Dragonfly6-7> but many libertarians are.
[22:13:36] <GorillaWarfare> sakerick: I think you might be lost, though
[22:13:36] <sakerick> i supports gays but i also support freedom
[22:13:43] <foks> Text A for "political trainwreck"
[22:13:45] <GorillaWarfare> This is a Wikipedia-related chatroom
[22:13:51] <foks> Text B for "off-topic mess"
[22:13:59] <GorillaWarfare> I'm sure there are other political- or libertarian-related chatrooms you could join
[22:14:02] <foks> or Text C for "everyone gets kickbanned"
[22:14:05] <sakerick> does wikipedia have a anti-liberty bias?
[22:14:17] <Dragonfly6-7> Ironholds - user:Chrisdbarnett
[22:14:45] <Ironholds> aha
[22:14:47] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - IRC is not a democracy, it's a private party. If you make yourself obnoxious, you can be asked to leave.
[22:15:08] <Ironholds> foks, +1
[22:15:12] <sakerick> if i get kicked for defending freedom so be it
[22:15:25] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - the ops have the freedom to kick you
[22:15:35] <GEOFBOT|verybusy> checkmate
[22:15:40] <Ironholds> foks, we should get Chris Tarrant to present
[22:15:45] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - and we have the freedom to tell you that you're an ignorant hypocrite
[22:15:45] <Ironholds> "Who Wants to Violate Poe's Law?"
[22:15:47] <foks> what on earth is going on
[22:15:50] <foks> Ironholds, heh
[22:15:51] <MJ94> Ironholds: I stand when they make me at physical therapy :P
[22:15:56] <GorillaWarfare> foks++
[22:15:57] <sakerick> prove that im ignorant
[22:15:57] <foks> 50/50?
[22:16:02] <MJ94> I make other people stand to get me ice cream
[22:16:04] <foks> Phone a Friend?
[22:16:05] <GorillaWarfare> sakerick: Go somewhere else for that pls
[22:16:17] <Ironholds> foks, phone a friend would be weird
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[22:16:25] <MJ94> usually when people say "prove that im ignorant", they're ignorant
[22:16:41] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - do you know the first name of either of my grandfathers?
[22:16:52] <Dragonfly6-7> I'll give you a huge hint. One started with E, the other started with M.
[22:16:53] <sakerick> i'm all about logical arguments
[22:16:58] <GorillaWarfare> -.-
[22:17:07] <MJ94> Dragonfly6-7: Dragon and Fly?
[22:17:12] <MJ94> GorillaWarfare: Ohai.
[22:17:15] <GEOFBOT|verybusy> electricity and magnetism
[22:17:19] <MJ94> Welcome to insanity hour.
[22:17:42] <GorillaWarfare> "hour"
[22:17:47] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7, Entertaining Me ;p
[22:17:49] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - if you can't answer, then I've proved that you're ignorant of those facts.
[22:17:55] <MJ94> Aw, it's dinner time. I was just gonna grab popcorn and chat with you all.
[22:18:05] <GorillaWarfare> Dragonfly6-7: Stop poking the bear
[22:18:12] <GorillaWarfare> Or do it somewhere else
[22:18:13] <sakerick> Dragonfly6-7 i admit i am.
[22:18:18] <Dragonfly6-7> there you are
[22:18:53] <MJ94> how is this even remotely on topic at al
[22:18:55] <MJ94> all
[22:19:16] <MJ94> mehh, brb food
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[22:20:38] <sakerick> i know what its like to face persecution
[22:20:44] <sakerick> this chat is nothing new
[22:20:50] <GorillaWarfare> sakerick: Take it elsewhere
[22:21:46] <sakerick> whats the point of this chat
[22:21:57] <GorillaWarfare>  /topic
[22:22:11] <foks> to enter on an open proxy and moan about how your freedom is being stifled or something
[22:22:15] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - do you ever edit Wikipedia?
[22:22:43] <sakerick> maybe
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[22:22:58] <sakerick> im familiar with wikipedi
[22:25:48] <sakerick> if wikipedia wants to attract people it needs to accept libertarian demographic
[22:25:58] <sakerick> liberals arent the only ones
[22:26:27] <GorillaWarfare> sakerick: What does Wikipedia currently do that you don't feel jibes with your viewpoints?
[22:27:23] <sakerick> vaccination info is getting censored
[22:27:33] <sakerick> there's a clear liberal bias
[22:27:56] <GorillaWarfare> Have you tried to discuss it onwiki?
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[22:28:14] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - do you have an opinion on ethics in video game journalism?
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[22:29:41] <sakerick> yes i also read the sjws have taken over that topic
[22:29:55] <sakerick> why not let gamergater write about gamergate?
[22:30:21] <Dragonfly6-7> because the sjws also have the liberty to do it
[22:30:32] <Dragonfly6-7> wikipedia isn't a government
[22:31:01] <sakerick> i dont think sjws should be denied freedom
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[22:31:17] <Dragonfly6-7> yes you do
[22:31:21] <Dragonfly6-7> I have the freedom to believe that you do
[22:31:27] <Dragonfly6-7> I have the freedom to believe that you're a liar and a troll
[22:31:33] <sakerick> but their opponents should be given chance
[22:31:48] <sakerick> i'm just about freedom
[22:31:59] <Keilana> *snerk*
[22:32:10] <Dragonfly6-7> "given" a chance? By whom?
[22:32:22] <Dragonfly6-7> are you taking away Wikipedia's freedom to decide who has a chance?
[22:32:41] <sakerick> dont play dumb
[22:32:47] <sakerick> you know what i mean
[22:32:52] <Dragonfly6-7> No I don't. Say it.
[22:33:30] <sakerick> i think the owners of wikipedia should cover political spectrum or its biased
[22:33:40] <Dragonfly6-7> You know fuck-all about wikipedia
[22:33:44] <Dragonfly6-7> there are no 'owners'
[22:34:06] <sakerick> thats what they want us to thin
[22:34:22] <Dragonfly6-7> isn't he just precious
[22:34:27] <Dragonfly6-7> he thinks he knows stuff!
[22:34:31] * Dragonfly6-7 pats sakerick on the head
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[22:35:07] <Ironholds> Speaking as a private individual who happens to work for the org that owns the servers, and thus presumably one of the "owners", I don't want anyone to thin
[22:35:22] <Ironholds> people come in a variety of body forms and should not be obliged to adopt them to follow societal standards
[22:35:42] <Dragonfly6-7> oh, what's his name, this american guy who thinks that queen elizabeth 2 is part of an evil conspiracy, and that canadians get to vote in american elections
[22:35:48] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7, David Icke!
[22:35:55] <Dragonfly6-7> no, I was thinking of Lyndon Larouche
[22:35:55] <Ironholds> oh wait no
[22:35:57] <Ironholds> Larouche!
[22:36:04] <Ironholds> yes, Icke LITERALLY believes the queen is a lizard person
[22:36:09] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - do you have an opinion on Lyndon Larouche?
[22:36:18] <Ironholds> Larouche believes the queen is a METAPHORICAL lizard person, by which he means "probably a Jew"
[22:36:22] <sakerick> never heard of it
[22:36:37] <Keilana> no no, she’s definitely an ACTUAL lizard person
[22:36:42] <Keilana> aka like 50 iguanas in a human suit
[22:36:48] <Dragonfly6-7> I've met the queen.
[22:36:55] <Dragonfly6-7> I spoke to her, and she spoke to me in return.
[22:37:00] <sakerick> strawman
[22:37:07] <GorillaWarfare> Iguanas are sneaky
[22:37:07] <Dragonfly6-7> no, she was definitely flesh.
[22:37:07] <Ironholds> Keilana, wait wait no hang on no
[22:37:11] <Ironholds> that's just what they want us to think
[22:37:18] <Keilana> are you sure she’s not several iguanas, Dragonfly6-7? ‘cause those iguanas are crafty
[22:37:18] <sakerick> just because i'm libertarian doesn't mean I believe in lizard people
[22:37:19] <Ironholds> she's actually 84 chameleons in a vast anti-iguana conspiracy
[22:37:24] <Keilana> omg mind link GorillaWarfare
[22:37:25] <Ironholds> they're claiming to be iguanas as a false flag operation
[22:37:33] <Keilana> so they’re iguanas in DISGUISE
[22:37:37] <Ironholds> sakerick, why don't you? you're about freedom dude
[22:37:42] <sakerick> conspiracies and false flags do happen
[22:37:53] <Keilana> so sneky
[22:38:01] <Ironholds> the queen should be able to be 84 chameleons in a suit if she wants to be
[22:38:02] <Ironholds> this is america
[22:38:03] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - I have the freedom to believe you're a criminal.
[22:38:04] <sakerick> i believe people have the right to believe lizard people but i dont
[22:38:06] <Dragonfly6-7> Ironholds - is not.
[22:38:17] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7, I mean I was never convi- yes, no, not a criminal
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[22:38:18] <sakerick> i'm an atheist
[22:38:23] <Dragonfly6-7> sakerick - I have the right to believe that you're a bad person, and to report you to the police.
[22:38:27] <Ironholds> sakerick, would you like a badge?
[22:38:30] <Ironholds> or, what? like, a cookie?>
[22:38:34] <Ironholds> some sort of medal awarding ceremony?
[22:38:48] <Dragonfly6-7> I've met the Queen, and also Stan Lee.
[22:38:55] <Ironholds> "WE PRESENT SAKERICK WITH THE 2015 NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FOR NOT BELIEVING IN A THING AS SOMEONE WHO IS QUITE CLEARLY FROM A TOLERANT WESTERN SOCIETY"
[22:39:00] <Ironholds> you hero
[22:39:07] <Qcoder00> Evening Ironholds
[22:39:08] <Dragonfly6-7> in both cases, I spoke to them, and they responded directly to me.
[22:39:10] <Keilana> Dragonfly6-7: but did you see them in the same place at the same time???
[22:39:11] <Ironholds> hey Qcoder00
[22:39:17] <Dragonfly6-7> Keilana - no.
[22:39:18] <Qcoder00> I'm a bit dazed at the moment
[22:39:21] <Ironholds> Dragonfly6-7, all you're proving is that they're really sneaky lizards
[22:39:30] <Qcoder00> Still thinking it's 2013 at times
[22:39:32] <sakerick> freedom doesn't exist unless you defend it
[22:39:45] <Ironholds> oh, so it's like virginity!
[22:39:48] <Qcoder00> Doesn't help I had a massice migrane a few nights ago
[22:39:50] <sakerick> we cant sit idley by while certain people control the internet
[22:39:52] <GorillaWarfare> Alright folks
[22:39:53] <Ironholds> by which I mean: used as a totally meaningless buzzword by idiots
[22:40:02] <GorillaWarfare> Drop this please
[22:40:05] <Qcoder00> So I might not be entirely corehent
[22:40:06] <GorillaWarfare> Or take it elsewhere
[22:40:25] <Qcoder00> GorillaWarfare:  OK sorry
[22:40:28] <Dragonfly6-7> Qcoder00 - could I suggest you eat a banana, or some other potassium-rich food?
[22:40:38] <GorillaWarfare> Qcoder00: Not you
[22:40:42] <Qcoder00> That sounds like a good idea
[22:41:08] <Qcoder00> Doesn't helo that I hit my head on the edge of Velux a few days ago (not badly)
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[22:41:15] <Dragonfly6-7> 'Velux' ?
[22:41:19] <sakerick> this chat has been an enlightening experience. i knew there was bias but didnt know it was this bad
[22:41:20] <Qcoder00> Skylight
[22:41:25] <Ironholds> sakerick, SJW4LYFE
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[22:41:31] <Qcoder00> The migranes I get are unrelated
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[22:41:46] <Qcoder00> What the heck is SJW?
[22:41:55] <Qcoder00> Anything to do with Ciccadas?
[22:41:58] <Dragonfly6-7> "Social Justice Warrior" - ergo, the good guys.
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[22:42:14] <Dragonfly6-7> gamergaters appear to think it's an insult
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[22:42:19] <Qcoder00> Oh and are SJW Anonymous? XD
[22:42:33] <Dragonfly6-7> "yeah, well, you support justice, so fuck you!"
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[22:43:08] <Qcoder00> Oh great Wikipedians on a "mission from god" :(
[22:43:16] <Qcoder00> Or is that Conservpedia?
[22:43:17] <Qcoder00> XD XD
[22:43:25] <GEOFBOT|verybusy> The Trusworthy Encyclopedia
[22:43:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what?
[22:43:35] <Dragonfly6-7> Qcoder00 - wht's "velux" ?
[22:43:39] <Ironholds> Qcoder00, I think that's the blues brothersd
[22:43:54] <Ironholds> interestingly, did y'all know the director of The Blues Brothers, John Landis, also directed the Thriller music videos?
[22:44:00] <Dragonfly6-7> Hernipedia, the Trussworthy encyclopedia
[22:44:02] <Ironholds> (I may have a small cerebral crush on John Landis)
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[22:44:50] <Qcoder00> For a while when someone mention SJW earlier I was thinking that Wikipedia was part of "The Conspiracy!"
[22:44:53] <Qcoder00> XD
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[23:00:13] <Sir_Designer> Dragonfly6-7 I may have presented this long time ago, it is old:  ¿Qué es mas macho, pineapple or a knife?
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[23:10:25] <Dragonfly6-7> Sir_Designer - I don't understand your question.
[23:12:07] <Qcoder00> Sir Designer.. Hi
[23:12:15] <Qcoder00> Fixed up the sign design a bt more
[23:12:41] <Sir_Designer> whis is more macho, a pineapple or a knife? Dragonfly6-7
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[23:14:31] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 linky link?
[23:15:35] <Qcoder00> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concealed_Water3.svg
[23:15:53] <Qcoder00> Found Someone had uploaded some signs with changed borders a while back
[23:16:04] <Qcoder00> but in all it now looks very like a proper one...
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[23:16:23] <Qcoder00> naturally it's not yet fully dimensionally scaled, but it will do for my purposes :)
[23:17:41] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 yes, the "reeds" are too close to the diagonal edge markings.  the water really should start and stop exactly with the reed bases, to the pixel.
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[23:28:31] <Qcoder00> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Concealed_Water3.svg- Re aligned
[23:28:59] <Qcoder00> Also redraw the reads so they are defined as a lin and +- 20 degree equivalents
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[23:29:07] <Qcoder00> I think it's ready to go :)
[23:29:21] <Qcoder00> But if you want to make further tweaks  feel free
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[23:29:57] <TheSonOfCera> There's like a freaking maze of block templates.
[23:30:20] <Qcoder00> Sir_Designer:  I am no handing this one over... I think I've done enough on it today
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[23:32:03] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 if you can, just lower the content so that water waves are closer to the base and thereby, the reeds open up and breethe some, and really, aligning water edges with bases of reeds should not be hard.
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[23:32:26] <Qcoder00> I have lined the end cusp nodes with the reed basees
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[23:34:12] <Sir_Designer> Qcoder00 it's ok.  if anything, the water now aligns to CENTER POINT of the reed, on each side, instead of the OUTER POINT AT BASE.   But it is very nice altogether.
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[23:34:59] <Qcoder00> Yep that's what I did find the reed center line ans used that as the start/end of the waves...
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[23:35:59] <Sir_Designer> ideally you should have dropped a line at each outer base point, on left and on right
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[23:36:52] <Qcoder00> Sir_Designer:  I dropped a guide line on the center, Not the edge of the stroke ( mainly becausse outer edge guides aren't something easy to do Inkscape
[23:37:50] <Qcoder00> If you feell you can take it further feel free ... BTW The Slighter darker Yellow is an RGB approximation of "Lemon" defined in a BS document... There;s probably some neweer ISO color that's upposed to be used, but I went with what i could find...
[23:38:02] <Qcoder00> *BS being British Standards
[23:38:57] <Qcoder00> The previous versions used the midpoint of the extrem left and extreme right reed stroked respectively..
[23:39:03] <Qcoder00> All strokes are 14mm
[23:39:21] <Qcoder00> (which is to do with what was in the Traffic Sign Working drawng I using for guidance...
[23:39:24] <Qcoder00> )
[23:39:56] <Qcoder00> Anyway , If you think it can be made even cleaner design wise... feel free to start a research project on Wikiversity :)
[23:40:02] <Qcoder00> I need to get some sleep...
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[23:56:41] <TrueCRaysball> Quick question for the gamers in the channel, any know of any good F2P games on steam not named Team Fortress?
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